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Title: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Robbie8666 on 06 August 2018, 07:41:24 am
more a heads up than anything else!

just got a NIP through from Avon & Somerset Police doing 81 on A303.. on my bike by a mobile unit... fair cop yep hands up it was me...
paid the £100 fine & took the 3 points no issue or complaints  :o
looked at photos and the camera was over other carriageway!!
in the picture the ARMCO separating the lanes is clearly seen and I am riding away from him
I never realised that they could do that!! my ignorance, my fault.. so from now on when I seen a camera on the other side I wont laugh at others heading towards it!!!
oh n I will slow down too hahaha
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: steeeve66 on 06 August 2018, 11:29:44 am
I use that road a lot to visit my parents in Devon, a worry - what section was the camera on? And when did this happen? I only ask as I was visiting the folks last week but, as the weather was so nice, came home on the A30 instead... Possible lucky escape as I ALWAYS do around 80 on the A303.. (Doesn't everyone??)
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Robbie8666 on 06 August 2018, 11:36:42 am
I use that road a lot to visit my parents in Devon, a worry - what section was the camera on? And when did this happen? I only ask as I was visiting the folks last week but, as the weather was so nice, came home on the A30 instead... Possible lucky escape as I ALWAYS do around 80 on the A303.. (Doesn't everyone??)

it was on the A303 3 miles east of Sparkford 27/7 about 11:15
( just before you get to Maccy D'd / Yeovil roundabout!

I use it weekly to commute from Portsmouth to Falmouth, leaving Pompy approx. 10am  but have been coming back Via A30 as its such a nice ride (and virtually empty on a Sunday (5pm -8pm)
yeah that stretch of 303 is just after you have been held up on single carriageway and you can open up..
just be aware of cameras on other side of carriageway!
the pisser is I had flashed and warned couple of other bikes heading towards it to be aware but got caught myself... oh well lesson learnt!!
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Bretty on 06 August 2018, 12:12:33 pm
What is the limit on that stretch. That's a bit harsh if it's a national speed limit.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Bretty on 06 August 2018, 12:16:51 pm
Incidentally I got flashed in France a couple of times on Friday night. Once by a regular speed camera, the second time between toll booths! That's a new one. Collected ticket at gate one.. Arrived at tollgate two to oay, about 100km down the road. As my passenger inserted payment card into the toll gate. BIG *##FLASH##* and had our photo taken.
Touch wood these tickets never seem to catch up with me.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Robbie8666 on 06 August 2018, 12:24:45 pm
What is the limit on that stretch. That's a bit harsh if it's a national speed limit.

yeah its National speed limit so 70, I was recorded doing 81!
hey ho! I broke the law & got caught. I can't complain.
 
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 06 August 2018, 01:02:52 pm
Incidentally I got flashed in France a couple of times on Friday night. Once by a regular speed camera, the second time between toll booths! That's a new one. Collected ticket at gate one.. Arrived at tollgate two to oay, about 100km down the road. As my passenger inserted payment card into the toll gate. BIG *##FLASH##* and had our photo taken.
Touch wood these tickets never seem to catch up with me.

What sort of speed were you doing along the autoroute?
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: YamFazFan on 06 August 2018, 04:42:23 pm
Possible lucky escape as I ALWAYS do around 80 on the A303.. (Doesn't everyone??)

No.

paid the £100 fine & took the 3 points no issue or complaints  :o

Except it's out of all proportion to the infringement.

Don't they let shoplifters off without even a fine if it's their first offence nowadays?

And there's a bloke still driving legally with about 70 points on his licence. I'd be surprised if he's shelling out the £100 each time out of his own pocket.

One rule for one and one for another :rolleyes
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: steve 10562cc on 06 August 2018, 09:03:43 pm
Motorist whether car drivers, bikers, HGVs, who are mainly law abiding, hard working, honest people, and as such are just an easy target to fill the treasury coffers. The few others are not going to pay or take any notice of what the courts say or do to them.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: steeeve66 on 06 August 2018, 09:12:12 pm
Possible lucky escape as I ALWAYS do around 80 on the A303.. (Doesn't everyone??)

No.





you're right - just about everyone else goes quite a bit faster.

Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: fazersharp on 06 August 2018, 10:01:47 pm
A good heads up on the camera on the other side of the road catching you.Another one is the overhead gantry's on M- ways if you are going along at 70 and see the sign ahead saying 60- or whatever, make sure you are doing the indicated speed when you pass under it. I saw a car get flashed at the first gantry with the 60 sign lit up. I say this because when I am in the car and see the 60 sign I don't usually brake but just let off the gas and let the car slow naturally so I am maybe doing still doing 65 -66 when I pass under but very shortly after I will be at 60, but will from now on make sure I am at the correct speed as I pass under.     
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: mtread on 06 August 2018, 11:12:42 pm
Usual guideline is that they don't NIP you if you're within 10%+2, so you should be OK in a 70 up to 79. That's true speed of course, not indicated, so on the speedo it might read 83ish? Some Police forces will offer a Speed Awareness Course for recorded speeds up to 10%+9, so in a 70 that's 86, which might even show 90 on the speedo.  On a SAC you pay more or less the same fine, don't get points, but are patronised for about 6 hours. How do I know this..... :-(
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: fazersharp on 06 August 2018, 11:42:54 pm
When eventually I caught out it will cost me more than most because I have a paper licence and I believe I will need to pay for a photo one
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: YamFazFan on 07 August 2018, 07:56:21 am

Possible lucky escape as I ALWAYS do around 80 on the A303.. (Doesn't everyone??)

No.





you're right - just about everyone else goes quite a bit faster.


True :lol
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: YamFazFan on 07 August 2018, 08:07:11 am

A good heads up on the camera on the other side of the road catching you.Another one is the overhead gantry's on M- ways if you are going along at 70 and see the sign ahead saying 60- or whatever, make sure you are doing the indicated speed when you pass under it. I saw a car get flashed at the first gantry with the 60 sign lit up. I say this because when I am in the car and see the 60 sign I don't usually brake but just let off the gas and let the car slow naturally so I am maybe doing still doing 65 -66 when I pass under but very shortly after I will be at 60, but will from now on make sure I am at the correct speed as I pass under.   


The only person I've ever seen going through those variables observing the speed limit is myself.


In my experience virtually no one makes any attempt to slow down to the displayed speed. Maybe the 40mph ones a bit, but not the others.


I'd always assumed that they know something I don't.


Normally when you take you're foot of the gas, the bloke behind nearly runs into the back of you before swerving into the next lane in order to proceed as normal.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Fazerider on 07 August 2018, 12:48:14 pm
When eventually I caught out it will cost me more than most because I have a paper licence and I believe I will need to pay for a photo one
I’ve had a few NIPs since the paper licence was replaced by the photocard one, they always send the paper one back with the points added… there’s no obligation to change to the plastic version if your other details are unchanged.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: steeeve66 on 07 August 2018, 06:48:31 pm

A good heads up on the camera on the other side of the road catching you.Another one is the overhead gantry's on M- ways if you are going along at 70 and see the sign ahead saying 60- or whatever, make sure you are doing the indicated speed when you pass under it. I saw a car get flashed at the first gantry with the 60 sign lit up. I say this because when I am in the car and see the 60 sign I don't usually brake but just let off the gas and let the car slow naturally so I am maybe doing still doing 65 -66 when I pass under but very shortly after I will be at 60, but will from now on make sure I am at the correct speed as I pass under.   


The only person I've ever seen going through those variables observing the speed limit is myself.


In my experience virtually no one makes any attempt to slow down to the displayed speed. Maybe the 40mph ones a bit, but not the others.


I'd always assumed that they know something I don't.


Normally when you take you're foot of the gas, the bloke behind nearly runs into the back of you before swerving into the next lane in order to proceed as normal.

Just following the '..assumed that they know something I don't' - two years ago the A2 out of London was fitted with average speed cameras and still, two years later, I get past by both cars and bikes doing a whole heap more than the 50 limit?

Ditto the gantry variables on the M25 - it's like me and one Nissan Micra slow to the correct speed while every Merc and his bastad BMW scream passed, apparently knowing something I don't... ?%*!
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: fazersharp on 07 August 2018, 07:22:26 pm
When eventually I caught out it will cost me more than most because I have a paper licence and I believe I will need to pay for a photo one
I’ve had a few NIPs since the paper licence was replaced by the photocard one, they always send the paper one back with the points added… there’s no obligation to change to the plastic version if your other details are unchanged.
Ah that's good then.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: fazersharp on 07 August 2018, 07:26:06 pm

A good heads up on the camera on the other side of the road catching you.Another one is the overhead gantry's on M- ways if you are going along at 70 and see the sign ahead saying 60- or whatever, make sure you are doing the indicated speed when you pass under it. I saw a car get flashed at the first gantry with the 60 sign lit up. I say this because when I am in the car and see the 60 sign I don't usually brake but just let off the gas and let the car slow naturally so I am maybe doing still doing 65 -66 when I pass under but very shortly after I will be at 60, but will from now on make sure I am at the correct speed as I pass under.   


The only person I've ever seen going through those variables observing the speed limit is myself.


In my experience virtually no one makes any attempt to slow down to the displayed speed. Maybe the 40mph ones a bit, but not the others.


I'd always assumed that they know something I don't.


Normally when you take you're foot of the gas, the bloke behind nearly runs into the back of you before swerving into the next lane in order to proceed as normal.

Just following the '..assumed that they know something I don't' - two years ago the A2 out of London was fitted with average speed cameras and still, two years later, I get past by both cars and bikes doing a whole heap more than that?

Ditto the gantry variables on the M25 - it's like me and one Nissan Micra slow to the correct speed while every Merc and his bastad BMW scream past, apparently knowing something I don't... ?%*!

Yes I have seen this too - its like there must be something wrong with my speedo. But I have seen some who zoom past with no fear because they DO now something I don't - which is that the next set to calculate your speed will be after they have left the M way   
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Hedgetrimmer on 07 August 2018, 08:01:55 pm
But I have seen some who zoom past with no fear because they DO now something I don't - which is that the next set to calculate your speed will be after they have left the M way


Except haven't I often seen them positioned at or even beyond the exit to prevent this?
If they're front facing, I don't pay them as much heed, except I'm always wary in case they've thrown another type of camera in somewhere as well. But I think they're switching more and more to rear facing cameras now. Although I'm apt to just settle in anyway if the traffic is heavy.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Robbie8666 on 08 August 2018, 06:58:13 am
When eventually I caught out it will cost me more than most because I have a paper licence and I believe I will need to pay for a photo one
I’ve had a few NIPs since the paper licence was replaced by the photocard one, they always send the paper one back with the points added… there’s no obligation to change to the plastic version if your other details are unchanged.

my NIP does state that if you have a paper part of your licence to send it and it will be retained & destroyed as it is lo longer valid.(I'm guessing that's if you don't have a photo licence.  I thought you had to get your photo licence renewed every 10 years? (just checked & mine runs out in 2020!)
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: robbo on 08 August 2018, 10:09:59 am
I've only recently got a photo type license and there is no longer any accompanying paperwork, which I believe was the case when ID licenses first came out.
Having a photo style license did me a favour on my trip to europe this year. I managed to lose my passport on my travels, but fortunately had a record of my passport number, which together with the ID license, resulted in minimal hassle at passport control.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: fazersharp on 08 August 2018, 11:51:43 am
When eventually I caught out it will cost me more than most because I have a paper licence and I believe I will need to pay for a photo one
I’ve had a few NIPs since the paper licence was replaced by the photocard one, they always send the paper one back with the points added… there’s no obligation to change to the plastic version if your other details are unchanged.

my NIP does state that if you have a paper part of your licence to send it and it will be retained & destroyed as it is lo longer valid.(I'm guessing that's if you don't have a photo licence.  I thought you had to get your photo licence renewed every 10 years? (just checked & mine runs out in 2020!)
Ah yes I think that is where I got it from that way in my mind. I only have a paper licence issued some time in the 80s and if I have to send it off to have points then like you say it will need to be replaced with a plastic photo one. These original paper only ones do not have have to be renewed until you reach 70. 
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Flooky on 08 August 2018, 01:53:22 pm

Got my speed awareness course soon, cant wait !   63 in a 50.
I will pass on any useful tips I pick up on it,
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Bretty on 08 August 2018, 09:31:55 pm
Incidentally I got flashed in France a couple of times on Friday night. Once by a regular speed camera, the second time between toll booths! That's a new one. Collected ticket at gate one.. Arrived at tollgate two to oay, about 100km down the road. As my passenger inserted payment card into the toll gate. BIG *##FLASH##* and had our photo taken.
Touch wood these tickets never seem to catch up with me.

What sort of speed were you doing along the autoroute?

Averaging 140-150kmph (in a car), limit was 130kmph
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Dave48 on 09 August 2018, 08:44:06 am
I got caught out 2 weeks ago on the M5 northbound approaching M42 where I failed to slow to 40mph quickly enough as had usual Audi/BMW/Merc following close behind.Have opted for a "motorway speed awareness course" next month to save getting the 3 points.  Was clocked at 47mph which, while I accept I was technically breaking the law, consider if I had braked might have resulted in being shunted in the rear. This section of the M5 is a joke as there has been a long term lane closure in place in lane 4 (which is lane 2  for M5 north). I can only assume this is to discourage motorists continuing up M5 through long term roadworks between J2 and J1 and to encourage them to use M42 instead. The result is a funnelling of traffic,last minute lane switching and delays for all concerned. Accidents continue to happen on the new "improved" 4 lane section of M5 from Worcester to M42 turn off and believe me speed isnt the main culprit-its lane hogging,switching,undertaking and following too close. Looking forward to being shown how to use motorway properly as I have only driven 3/4 million miles on these in the last 53 years!! :lol
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: fazersharp on 09 August 2018, 10:05:10 am
Sort of same subject is "smart motorways". Doing the correct thing by using the old hard shoulder at night its a nightmare one min its active the next its not, other people wont give you a gap to get out of it. They create a shortened - altered approach for those joining the M way. I found myself at night on a section I do not know still driving along in the - now actual hard shoulder untill I came to a matrix sign just for me saying STAY OUT OF HARD SHOULDER.
So from now on I will not be using the "Smart" lane - cause its stupid and dangerous.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: YamFazFan on 09 August 2018, 06:03:28 pm
Sort of same subject is "smart motorways". Doing the correct thing by using the old hard shoulder at night its a nightmare one min its active the next its not, other people wont give you a gap to get out of it. They create a shortened - altered approach for those joining the M way. I found myself at night on a section I do not know still driving along in the - now actual hard shoulder untill I came to a matrix sign just for me saying STAY OUT OF HARD SHOULDER.
So from now on I will not be using the "Smart" lane - cause its stupid and dangerous.



I've never used that lane.

My reckoning is that if anything appears to have been deliberately made more confusing than it needs to be, then there's a wallet lightening fine involved somewhere.

Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 09 August 2018, 09:59:37 pm
Averaging 140-150kmph (in a car), limit was 130kmph

I better be careful next week then.
I tend to stick to around 130 on the autorute though so shouldn't be too much of an issue.

The bigger issue for me will be the 80kmh limit they have everywhere else now
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Robbie8666 on 10 August 2018, 08:43:47 am
as a heads up, Mrs Robbie has just informed me that Devon & Cornwall out in force this weekend due to Boardmaster in Newquay.

not that I intend to go above legal limits for a while :)
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: tommyardin on 10 August 2018, 03:59:28 pm

Got my speed awareness course soon, cant wait !   63 in a 50.
I will pass on any useful tips I pick up on it,


I have now done three of these course, I read earlier in here that you are allowed 10% + 2mph before they prosecute you, I think that might be a digression thing as I got done doing 34 mph in a 30 limit on my Fazer by the old type Treveleo camera that could only take a pictures of the rear of your vehicle.
The original Gatso could not get you as the camera only took pictures of the front of your vehicle (No number plate on front of a bike)
There has been a new Treveleo camera out now for quite a while (Mostly in Norfolk area) The Treveleo D (Digital) it can take pictures forward and rearward facing.
My understanding is if you see a flash of a camera and there are no other vehicle about you have most likely be caught by an older rear shot Treveleo camera, because cameras that flash do not do so into a drivers eyes.
Most modern digital speed cameras do not require a flash, the same the van based cameras you see along the road, them bad boys can get you at any point as long as they can see you, 15 yards 600 yards makes no difference to them, I understand that they also have technology that allows the camera to clean up the image (Rain spray, mist and the like)


Most that you will be taught on the Drivers Awareness Course will just underline stuff that you already know. One thing I did learn though that I had never ever given a thought is that the speed limit on a motorway slip road is 70 mph, the national maximum speed limit.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 10 August 2018, 04:09:44 pm
I have now done three of these course, I read earlier in here that you are allowed 10% + 2mph before they prosecute you, I think that might be a digression thing as I got done doing 34 mph in a 30 limit on my Fazer by the old type Treveleo camera that could only take a pictures of the rear of your vehicle.


Speeding is whats known as an "absolute" offence. You are either speeding, or your not. There is no grey area. In a 30mph limit they could do you at 30.1mph but don't as the courts would be full up with people complaining. this is why the association of chief police officers set a discressionary +10%+2mph limt where they wouldnt presecute.
In reality, if you have a standard vehicle, at a real 70mph your speedo could legally be reading anything between 70-77mph. Regrdless of how accurate your speedo was when new with new tyres etc, once the tyres start wearing, the discrepency creeps in.

In the real world, 34mph probbaly read somewhere between 34-37 on your speedo so you knew you were OTT. No defence really.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Hugh Mungus on 10 August 2018, 05:47:23 pm
It is not a fixed 10%+2mph across all the police forces. It varies across the country. MCN did a freedom of information thing on this very subject a couple of years ago and got a lot of varying answers.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: tommyardin on 10 August 2018, 05:50:32 pm
Oh I was not complaining about being done at 34 mph, of course I would sooner I had not been done, but the bar has to be set somewhere, I have heard people say I was only doing walking pace over the 30 limit and the bastards done me, you have to start somewhere.
I expect to get a ticket if caught on camera doing one mile per hour over the limit and am always pleased when I don't.   
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: mtread on 11 August 2018, 11:35:57 am
The 10%+2 and 10%+9 discretionary limits also prevent lots of challenges against the accuracy of the camera. If I were done at 30.1 mph I'd be asking lots of questions about when the camera was last calibrated and tested.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: YamFazFan on 11 August 2018, 02:47:15 pm
Oh I was not complaining about being done at 34 mph

I would be.

It's a ridiculous punishment for such a minor infringement when there was no accident and no-one suffered any loss or injury.

 
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: Dave48 on 12 August 2018, 08:11:11 am
If you think 30mph is slow spare a thought for my area of South Birmingham where they have introduced a blanket 20mph zone.
If you drive/ride at 20mph you get tailgated/flashed by following cars. Even the police dont observe it travelling downhill on a certain road.
So at what point do previously law-abiding road users lose all respect for the law and join the ranks of the rest?
I think it would be in everyones interest if the police were able/willing to police our roads properly and focus on the really serious offenders who seem to get away with all sorts.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: YamFazFan on 12 August 2018, 08:56:41 am
I think it would be in everyones interest if the police were able/willing to police our roads properly and focus on the really serious offenders who seem to get away with all sorts.


That'll be the day! :lol

Ordinary, decent road users are the ones that cough up all the cash for petty infringements without any fuss or bother ;)
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: maddog04 on 31 August 2018, 09:24:12 am
ref the post about motorway gantry cameras saying do 60 and flash you doing 70

a speed limit is only enforceable if the speedgate sign is surrounded by a red circle as per the road signs you see. If it's a smart m/way then they have the ability to do this on the electronic signs but if any m/way sign just states a figure e.g. 60 and it's orange with no red circle then its only an advisory speed and you cannot be done for speeding
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: F4celess on 31 August 2018, 09:54:46 am
ref the post about motorway gantry cameras saying do 60 and flash you doing 70

a speed limit is only enforceable if the speedgate sign is surrounded by a red circle as per the road signs you see. If it's a smart m/way then they have the ability to do this on the electronic signs but if any m/way sign just states a figure e.g. 60 and it's orange with no red circle then its only an advisory speed and you cannot be done for speeding

Yeah, tend to see these flash up on the motorway where they warn of queues ahead, or even "traffic calming" ahead. M25 is a good one, north of Heathrow.
I do wonder if the Cameras on the gantry then know this sudden change of speed limit based on the flashing sign that pops up, so will flash you doing 61mph, while you are slowing down from 70... or they are "set" for 70mph. :shrug
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: darrsi on 31 August 2018, 10:54:54 am
I got done doing 74 in a downhill 40mph dual carriageway.
I was being tailgated by a BMW so just tried to move away from it.
Copper was alright, 3 points and £60 fine.


Few years later got pulled in exactly the same spot, it was literally just me on the road. Then had some crazy but good looking policewoman staring into my eyes to see if i'd back off in case i was on drink or drugs but i just stood there until our noses were nearly touching.  :lol
Can't remember the speed, but same points and fine again, although i'm sure the other one had already expired by then.


It's on my way home from work so just take it easy on that road now, whilst watching everyone else fly past me.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: maddog04 on 01 September 2018, 05:01:28 pm
should've told her she had gorgeous eyes and smelt great, you may have walked :lol
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: darrsi on 01 September 2018, 08:05:43 pm
should've told her she had gorgeous eyes and smelt great, you may have walked :lol


It was quite obvious straight  away that she'd been taught to stand in your comfort zone to see if paranoia kicks in and if you shy away then you're guilty of something.
I found it to be a little bit rude rather than intimidating but just let her get on with it.
Title: Re: speeding ticket (NIP)
Post by: maddog04 on 08 September 2018, 09:36:03 am
and that gets my goat but can't be arse posting elsewhere :lol
imagine you approach a cop and get in their face, I bet you'd be arrested for aggressive behaviour

just watched a great show on BBC I recorded last week or two?
NYPD New York's biggest gang......about cop watchers who record cops behaviour after all the black people who have been killed by cops. Oddly enough, the cops don't like it back at them and make life difficult for those with the camera's. Well worth seeking out on I Player