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Re: FZ6 won't start
« Reply #25 on: 09 July 2020, 08:47:03 pm »
Quick way to test the relay/starter quandary is to bridge the large terminals on the relay (I use a screwdriver or similar)
Turn on the ignition, short the relay. If it turns it's the relay if it doesn't it's the starter but most likely will be the relay.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm not quite sure how to "bridge the large terminals on the relay"

Do I need to unplug the connector? Displace the relay?

If you could give some more details (or pics) I'd be very grateful :thumbup
ADDENDUM I found the picture below, but there seem to be four terminals all of which appear to be the same size!
So which should I short? The top ones? The bottom ones? Left or Right Side...?!
The ones that the heavy cables are connected to. Basically bypassing the relay.
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Re: FZ6 won't start
« Reply #26 on: 09 July 2020, 09:26:55 pm »
The ones that the heavy cables are connected to. Basically bypassing the relay.

Thanks :thumbup

If you look at the "What did you do with your Fazer" topic, I managed to find the right ones and got it to start that way, although it still wouldn't start on the button...

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Re: FZ6 won't start
« Reply #27 on: 10 July 2020, 12:03:39 am »
There's your answer then. Just replace the relay, about sick squid and an hours work including cake and coffee.
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Re: FZ6 won't start
« Reply #28 on: 10 July 2020, 01:05:03 am »
There's your answer then. Just replace the relay, about sick squid and an hours work including cake and coffee.

Possibly.

I do have a new battery and I'd like to check whether the relay will "click" as it's supposed to when power is applied to it.

But first I'd need to borrow a set of jump leads...

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Re: FZ6 won't start
« Reply #29 on: 10 July 2020, 01:41:27 am »
Interestingly, I've just searched for FZ6 starter relay and found this video:



It looks like he's having exactly the same problem as me: Error 12 occasionally, looks like the Check Engine and ABS warning lights flashing when he presses the starter.

Sod it, I've found one on eBay that's £9 plus next day delivery, so I might as well give it a go...

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Re: FZ6 won't start
« Reply #30 on: 10 July 2020, 09:35:05 am »
Errm, that's not my starter relay, it's a picture I found online...!

 :rolleyes

 Check yours anyway they've have a habit of corroding and they don't always have rusty terminals.

See above and I've replied to your other thread in General section  ;) :)
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Re: FZ6 won't start
« Reply #31 on: 10 July 2020, 06:20:09 pm »
I really don't want to have to short circuit the start relay again, but it was the only way to check out the starter motor.

Fingers crossed the new relay will turn up tomorrow, so I can just swap it over...

At least my new mirror arrived today.

Hopefully also the new side stand will turn up, otherwise I'm going to have to try to bodge a fix with superglue and baking soda which will hopefully hold it enough for me to get to the event in Brighton on Sunday and then back.

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Re: FZ6 won't start
« Reply #32 on: 13 July 2020, 11:56:14 am »
To round this thread off...

The new Starter Relay arrived on Saturday and (after a lot of cursing and swearing at the connector on the top which would not come loose!) I managed to swap it over and, Glory Be! the bike started on the button :)

So if you get an Error Code 12 on the instruments, but the resistance on the Crank Position Sensor is good and the continuity between the CPS and the ECU is fine (IIRC it was pins 6 and 9 on the top row of the ECU connector, counting from the left side of the bike) and your clutch switch, neutral switch and side stand switches are all ok, try bump starting the bike or shorting across the B and M terminals at the bottom of the starter relay.

If it fires up ok like that, then it may well be the Start Relay is knackered.

It's dead easy to fix (if you can get the connector to the loom to come off!), just disconnect the negative battery terminal, then lift the relay off its mount, unscrew the connector to the starter motor and the positive battery terminal, put the new relay in and connect back up (always do the Negative terminal LAST!) and you should be good to go :thumbup