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General / Re: So What're You Listening To Today?
« on: 18 August 2017, 11:59:59 PM »

lol someone bought me that Whale Songs Almum a few years ago after I had gone through a very bad patch in life they said it would help by de-stressing me, that exactly what it did it fucking distressed me, what a crock of shit. It is now tied on one of the rigging lines on the front gib of my mates yacht nalong with several other discs it stops the seagull perching there and shitting all over .the deck. Taking the yatch across to the Isle of White tommorow if it's not the windy talking about 17 to 19 mph winds in the Solent so will be a tad choppy

General / Re: The 2017 FOC-U Bike Picture Challenge
« on: 18 August 2017, 11:43:14 PM »
"It is native to central and southern Chile and western Argentina"

Well I've got foc all chance of finding one of them then 🤣

One in the pub garden just up the road from me it about 80 foot high, not sure the pub owners would be happy with me hooning the old faz across the children's play area though. :lol

General / Re: Stuttering engine below 4k (FZS600)
« on: 16 August 2017, 11:36:15 PM »
I'm having the same trouble! Done all the usual checks I'm of the opinion the the tps is on the way out. I'm pretty sure it got some water leaked into it over a heavy weekend here recently.
My next step is to take it off and give it the hair dryer treatment followed by a spray of isopropyl alcohol. If this don't work then I think I'm looking for a replacement sensor- ouch!  :\

The last thing I want to do is much about with the carbs i'm not to confident with them tbh.

Darrsi seems clued up on the TPS units see what he thinks

General / Re: Down the pub - the thread about nothing and everything
« on: 16 August 2017, 11:17:47 PM »
did any one else watch new aircraft carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth, arrive into Portsmouth this morning?
was impressive to watch her fro, top of Portsdown Hill!

Was not there to see the new carrier come into Pompey this morning, but, was certainly there this evening Munching on a 'Mick's Monster Burger'

General / Re: Stuttering engine below 4k (FZS600)
« on: 16 August 2017, 11:11:12 PM »
Dirty pilot jets before switching to main jets ???

That would have been my guess, ignition is pretty constant (With a few variables) but if it all levels out at 4K and then does not miss a beat I would plump for partially blocked pilots.
Be interesting to know if the stuttering gets worse as the revs climb towards the 4K, before it clears, that would point to partially blocked pilots jets (not necessarily all of them) just one will cause a real power drop not just loosing the 25% but the drag of one lazy pot on the other pots would make it feel more like 50% down.   

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Clutch slip
« on: 15 August 2017, 07:27:53 AM »
Finally got it almost right. Tried the pressure plate again but any way I fitted it it always put pressure onto the plates but I found where it felt most snug. Changed the cable and it's working fine now. No slip at all.

Only trouble I'm having now is how heavy the clutch has become. I'm using ebc hd springs but it's really really heavy. To the point I can only just use 2 fingers. Also, no amount of adjusting can make down changes smooth unless I pull the lever right back to the bar. I've never used all 4 fingers on the clutch and don't want to start either as if I get into that habit I'll be straight off my motocross bike lol.

Stupidly I threw away the ornignal springs, just wondering if anyone knows of any that are similar to standard or where I can find some original ones?

Has anybody ever tried removing 2 springs and running 4? It would work but I'm worried about damaging the pressure plate?

Firstly don't run the bike with only four clutch pressure springs fitted, you will not be able to get even pressure because of the pattern of the spring layout, my guess you would end up with clutch slip again because of that uneven pressure, also, it could cause vibrations at higher speeds as the clutch would be out of balance.
It was designed to operate with six springs.

I have often wondered why people seem to change their clutch springs when they put new plates in the basket? I have heard people say that they lose their tension because of the heat generated in the engine and because they are compressed all the time when changing gears, personally I am not convinced of either of these reasons.

Oil in an engine does get hot because of the heat generated inside, but clutch spring do not get anywhere near as hot or take a fraction of a hammering as say the valve return springs sat up in the cam shaft area (that has got to be one of the hottest areas on the engine), but we don't change them when we do the valve clearances.

As far as springs under constant pressure is concerned the springs in the front forks or the rear shocker take a hammering with every bump or undulation you ride over.
Clutch springs it seems to me are under constant moderate pressure until the lever is pulled in to change cog, don't seem a great deal of work.
An engine revving at 8,000 revs a minute X four cylinders works out at 32,000 piston strokes per minute, or 533 per second, now if a spring ever needs replacing I would think them poor old valve springs sat in that hell hole of an environment were candidates for that, the clutch springs by definition are laying on a sunny beach somewhere have an easy old time of it.

OK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek.

The reality of it is that the clutch springs have a relatively easy time of it, people seems to think that the answer to a slipping clutch is to apply more pressure, of course it might be time to change the springs but why go and put springs in that take 50% more effort to compress then wonder why you clutch feels heavy 

Lastly get yourself an old ice cream tub and chuck all the odd bits and pieces that you replace on the bike in there, at least until you know for certainty that all is well with what you have replaced.
I assume that the dustmans been since the springs went in the bin? they come fortnightly around my way.

The image attached is not a FZS600 engine but it shows the environment that valve springs operate in, just above the combustion area and we all know that heat rises               

FZS600 Fazer / Re: How does the ignition advance work?
« on: 14 August 2017, 09:52:32 PM »
I was taught to use bran flakes box cardboard for the points gap but never been able to find them on the Fazer.

You did not look very hard, They're at the rear of the engine in front of the Swinging arm just under the air box  :lol
Here's me thinking they were on the railway track. :z

Yet one more Nitron fan.
I fitted the Nitron R1 shock to my FZS600 last winter + other mods to the front forks.

The Nitron R1 was built for me by Nitron and built to suit my rider weight fully clothed ready to ride, it was set up perfectly with just the tiniest adjustment because I have lost about a stone in weight since it was built.

The ride is plush with the rebound damping so much better than the Yamaha shock, the back wheel returns to the neutral position fast but the wheel stays in contact with the road, the bottoming out that was happening when riding two up has disappeared, as has the getting thrown off the saddle when hitting large fast bumps.
As I have heard others say a decent shock on the back just highlights the cheap front forks.
There are things that can be done that will help the front end situation, but it will cost you another £150. The Nitron was approx £450

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Getting the most out of my Fazer
« on: 10 August 2017, 07:25:29 PM »
R6 rear shock, balance the carbs, read A Twist of the Wrist and work on getting faster/smoother etc.
All of these will keep it interesting

There are a few on here that are a tad less than pleased with the R6 shock, or so I have been reading, with some saying they are going back to the standard Yamaha pogo stick. But I do wholeheartedly agree with Twist of the Wrist it is a very good reference book with lots of tips to make you safer and yet cover the ground quicker, if you rate the book buy the DVD as well as it also help understand a lot of what the book is telling you, I think it is the old adage that 'A picture is worth a thousand words'.
I think one of the main theams of both the book and the DVD is 'DONT PANIC'

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Clutch slip
« on: 10 August 2017, 07:05:40 PM »
This happend to me a few years ago on my own 600 Fazer, I used two sets of EBC plates and each time it would slip within a 1000 miles,  I even put in EBC springs and they were way too hard. Bought new OEM springs and it was still the same. I evetually wrote to EBC about it and they sent me a new set of plates,  said that the ones I had may have been from a bad batch, :rolleyes When the set they sent me went the same route :'( I bought and fitted OEM plates and had no problem since  :thumbup I am still using the same steel plates.
Best thing I did was foc all the EBC plates and springs into the bin. Lesson learned! the same as their X Foccing discs, SHITE. The only things I found any good from EBC were their HH, Organic and Kevler Brake Pads.

Do I take it then that your not that enammered with the EBC patterned parts then Mr Unfazed. Apart from their brake pads.
Ho shit! The Mrs and I are on the Isle of White at the Mo we have friends who own a house at Ventnor and they were really kind and let us have their house (Holiday Home) for a week. The location is delightfull, up high on Boniface Down overlooking the sea (About 200 feet below us and 1/4 miles away) all we need is for it to stop raining, absolutely pissed down yesterday all day,
Today a lot better late afternoon, but we are returning home on Saturday and not convinced this sunnier weather is going to last.
But, it was nice getting away and I used my newly acquired Old Gits Rail Card, and my Senior Citizens Bus Pass, lol first time I have used them, Mrs is pissed off co she is not like me, for I am qualified and she is not. 

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Clutch slip
« on: 10 August 2017, 09:05:41 AM »
Hey! What's happening on the clutch front we need an update Carl. :'(

Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: Oil change - will this cause issues?
« on: 08 August 2017, 09:07:42 AM »
There is always the elephant in the room. Which grips are best.

I find two hands tightly around the fucking throat helps LOL!

Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: Oil change - will this cause issues?
« on: 07 August 2017, 11:32:11 PM »
Funny you should say that Dea...... Bridgestone Batlax T30 has a very good write up much better than the earlier models I site the BT021 as an example, but some believe that the BT023 is a better tyre.

lol here we go again  :lol

Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: Oil change - will this cause issues?
« on: 07 August 2017, 07:20:18 PM »
A lot of what get said about this grade and that grade of oil, what has got slip agents added and what has not, it can just becomes a talking point and can stop you really making up your mind about what way to go oil wise, If the extra few quid a year that would be spent on on bike specific oil is that important to the owner then you really are on a tight budget.
If the cost of bike specific oil is £10 per 4 Ltrs, and given that you do maybe two changes a year at 4,000 mile intervals we are talking about £20 quid a year for oil changes, add to that the cost of one filter £6 your looking at £26 quid a year half the cost of a pair of mediocre trainers, and likely a quarter the cost of a set of friction plates for the old girl, plus no downtime and no hastle replaceing the friction plates and gasket and replacing the oil yet again.
FFS go buy 4T oil and sleep easy, and, before you say it's alright if you can afford to but the more expensive stuff, it's cheaper than the bike being off the road for perhaps a week while you order the plates and fit them, and pay public transport fares to get to work if your lucky to live on transport routes. Let alone getting a bollocking off you boss for being late. Shall I keep bigging this up or leave it at that.

Of course you can do what you like but don't squinny about slipping clutches, the price of clutch plates (And you always change the springs at the same time) and having to pay someone £40 to trailer your bike home.

I love the wind up
BUT! there is a lot of sense in it.
Happy Days  :'(

For Sale & Wanted / Re: FZS600 2003/03 for sale
« on: 07 August 2017, 04:21:35 AM »
Well wear Rob and best of luck with it. Maybe now it will get the usage it deserves  :D

Keep an eye on the rubbers on it carefully as they are likely to perish and crack from age related lack of use. 
Check the intake rubbers and Vacuum take of point plugs after a few weeks of use for cracks. The vacuum take off plugs are even more prone to cracking than the intake rubbers.
Check the tyre dates on the side wall of the tyre also, they will be the week number and the year since 2000, something like 4916 the 49th week of 2016 or 3609 the 36th week of 2009.
Tyres more than 10 years old should be replaced (over 7, I would replace them) they go hard with age and grip level is greatly reduced.

The vacuum take offs look fine, as do the inlet rubbers. One of the vacuum take offs has been replaced for the Scotoiler vacuum feed. The tyres are fine. The paperwork backs up tyres changes. Currently Avon Storms.

I see Russ has been given a bit of stick but he's a genuine guy and truly passionate about bikes.


He is also a humourless nerd that takes everything that people say to heart. What started this off was, what I thought was a very funny throw away line about the time showing on the bike clock time and the abundance of sunshine at the time of taking the photo.
The guy is so stiff, if he was to take the broom stick out from up his arse he might be a happier soul.
Sure you can see that he loved the bike by the condition of it, but looking at the mileage it was hardly ever ridden and I assume it was always garaged so it should be good so not a lot of credit to him for that.

Anyway Rob you have a great looking machine there and I am sure you will derive a lot of pleasure from owning it, you say you had a 99 FZS600, well you will not notice a great deal of difference between that and the Foxeye it really is just a facelift, but one thing that will leap out at you is the new shaped headlights they are far superior and a few more miles between fuel stops on the slightly larger fuel tank.
Hope you stay on the forum matey. T :eek [size=78%]hat is more than I can say for the twat you bought the bike from lol    [/size]

Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: Oil change - will this cause issues?
« on: 06 August 2017, 09:18:26 AM »
Had to fit new clutch, flush the engine twice to get rid of the car oil to a Bandit 1200 previous owner had used gave a new meaning to slipping the clutch expensive oil and filter change. I was always told never use car oil in a wet clutch bike.

I'm with you Steve car oil is a big no no as you found out to your cost because of someone else ignorance, glad you got it sorted.
They make motorcycle specific oil for a reason and before someone say 'Yeah to rip us poor motorcyclists off' you can say that about all sorts of specific related sports gear, trainers for instance is it necessary to spend £100 plus on them, £6 a metre on climbing ropes, £120 on a Shimano Baitrunner fishing reel? No of course not, but you just might wish you had as your hurtling down a 80 metre shear rock face with a bit of frayed hessian in your hand, or the carp of a lifetime on the end of your line and the cheap plastic handle of you reel falls off. Is that sole flapping about on those trainer you bought off eBay for £14.99. Or has my clutch just started slipping?

If you love something you treat it the best way you can, whether its fishing, running, rock climbing or motorcycling, or,heavens forbid even her indoors. Treat one of them with contempt and you could end up in deep doo doo.

I wonder what does Yamaha say about the correct oils to use in the motorcycles.

And as far as reading the article Falcon posted I could do the oil change in the time it took me to read and inwardly digest that and then I would still continue using motorcycle specific oil.

For Sale & Wanted / Re: FZS600 2003/03 for sale
« on: 06 August 2017, 01:24:34 AM »
He he he
I love this forum so  :woot :finger

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Clutch slip
« on: 06 August 2017, 01:15:01 AM »
Sounds like you have done all the right things, right oil and soaked, if there was no obvious discolouration on the steels then they will be ok.

My guess is that Fazerider has hit the nail on the head, I have read in here before that it is easy to get the pressure plate on wrong.
Go easy and look when removing the clutch cover and ease it off and you should save the gasket, as long as you make sure it either stays completely on the inner or outer case and does not get torn between the two.
Keep us updated :D

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Clutch slip
« on: 05 August 2017, 06:56:26 PM »
I would strip it out again and check that everything has gone back in exactly as it should.
Did you soak the plates in 4T motorcycle oil before putting the clutch back together?

What were the plain steel plates like did the have any colouring to them, straw yellow, purple or blue, if they did it could be that the steel plates are buckled.
There is a large circular clip that goes into the mix of plates, did you put that back in the correct place?

Good luck sorting it, this can be caused by people using car oil with molybdenum slip agent in it.

Funny enough there is another post going on in here at the moment talking about this very thing with oils. But I'm afraid you will get as many opinions are there are makes of oil. 

Clean the steel plates well then lay the plain steel plates on a mirror or a piece of plate glass and gently try rocking them on the mirror with one finger opposite each other that will show if they are buckled or not

Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: Oil change - will this cause issues?
« on: 05 August 2017, 06:42:32 PM »
All sounds like a load of bollocks to me.  :eek

My understanding is that car oils have molybdenum in them, this is actually a slip agent, it helps reduce wear on car engine moving parts by effectively adding extra slip, great, but not on a multi plate wet clutch.

What-ever your manufacturer preference is for motorcycle oil is is a personal thing, but my advice would be make sure it is a 4T oil designed for motorcycles with wet clutches.
£5 or £6 extra on an oil change is a lot cheaper that have to change the friction and plain steel plates in your clutch, plus its a lot less effort and down time.

You pays your money and you takes your chances.
What do Yamaha say? I don't know cos I never looked.

Shell Advanced 4T for me every time, either Fully or Semi depending what is on offer at the time.
Flushing oil with the motor running for 10-15 minutes seems a good move as you are not operating the clutch in the oil your flushing with.

Or change your oil regularly and no need to flush 3.5 to 4K seems a good mileage to change it at, you can change the oil filter every other change, cos it has never had old oil passing through it that has done more than 4K miles       

For Sale & Wanted / Re: FZS600 2003/03 for sale
« on: 05 August 2017, 06:14:54 PM »
Yeah, but at least they're not............... silver  :eek


For Sale & Wanted / Re: FZS600 2003/03 for sale
« on: 05 August 2017, 06:11:45 PM »

Love these threads  :woot

This is a mortorcyclists forum for those who prefer Fazers and enjoy life where a degree in sarcasm a necessity, but a degree in english is not.  :rolleyes

 Great to see someone correct grammar with the incorrect use of it to do so. :lol

Sarcasm, because beating the shit out of someone is illegal. :eek

For Sale & Wanted / Re: FZS600 2003/03 for sale
« on: 05 August 2017, 06:09:39 PM »
To all the harbingers of doom, deposit taken this morning at a price I'm happy with.

Forums, eh? full of people who really should get out more instead of living a virtual life - I think 'should get out more' was the strapline to one of the 'contributors' to this thread because really, in the process of selling my bike, what have any of you foccers meaningfully contributed? definitely not intelligent conversation, that's for sure.

Whilst having had a Fazer for over 10 years and know them inside out, is it any wonder, judging by the 'eloquence' displayed on this forum that some people choose not to partake?
Some of you like to make supposedly funny, sarcastic comments but don't like it when it's dished back at you - the one about setting the clock, big fucking deal, that pure comedy gold was so hilariously funny............if you're a pre-pubescent schoolboy (that's about the level of most of the contributions).

Mods, please delete this thread and my account.

Foxeye03 only opened the account just to sell his bike.
He would never waste his time  in Forums, eh? full of people who really should get out more instead of living a virtual life - I think 'should get out more'  Oh fuck he was in here.
Notice he did say how much he got for it, but in all seriousness it was a nice looking machine 

For Sale & Wanted / Re: FZS600 2003/03 for sale
« on: 04 August 2017, 10:47:12 PM »

For Sale & Wanted / Re: FZS600 2003/03 for sale
« on: 04 August 2017, 10:46:25 PM »
Yes, I was testing BBROWN1664 to see how oobservant they are.......obviously, not very

Just reading this post again, and, also being a failure on the education front (11 plus failure) I noticed that Foxeye03 was addressing BBROWN1664, (an individual) surely, but am happy to be wrong, please correct if that is the case, using the term 'they are' infers more than one individual, I believe the term should have been 'he or she was' as we are talking about an individual person and it is in past tense.

Not wishing to be perdantic but if we are going to be critical of one and other we need to be extra careful with what we say/type.
So don't do like what I do cos I do like what I'm told.

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