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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Fzs600- R1 5PW fork swap- still ongoing
« on: 16 July 2016, 03:40:33 PM »
Hi Kebab,

Tha sounds ideal.

I have found a speedo cable for the '06 FZ1. I know eBay can be a bit funny when it comes to specific models. Would you mind giving the connector a look? I think it looks like what we are looking for.

Also how long (roughly) would the cable have to be for this conversion?

FZS600 Fazer / Fzs600- R1 5PW fork swap- still ongoing
« on: 16 July 2016, 11:11:05 AM »
Hi all,

It's been a while since I last posted, hope everyone's well   :)

Update for the fork swap- I've been getting a bit carried away. We now have a new frame which has been shot blasted and powder coated, along with all the other metal work (both stands, front stay bracket and torque arm)- standard black and it looks neat, and new rear brake caliper also, off a XJR1300/ FZS1000. I also treated myself to a brand new front fairing (OEM). Even on sale very pricey, I got carried away and I don't know if I'd buy the fairing over-again, given the change. I've also bought a new/ish swingarm, as my old P-Clip for the exhaust deteriorated and was fouling the swingarm.

The engine's getting painted too, as the poor bike has been out in all weather and I'm sure everyone knows how bad the original paint can flake.

Whilst I am very happy, sadly I have hit another roadblock in the project.

It looks like my original FZS600 front wheel won't work- bearings don't fit into the new R1 forks, so I'm going to have to swap the front wheel. Not being a real wizz-kid I'm hoping I can keep the original mechanical speedo drive, instead of moving to electric. Keeping the old would be less hassle, cheaper and I am eager to get the bike on the roads, so quicker too.

Does anyone have any suggestions for the front wheel replacement?

The R1 forks and matching mudguard would typically fit a 120/70-17 wheel and tyre. It also looks like the original R1 bearings also fit a few other Yamaha's; other models of the YZF-R1 from '99-'08, the R6 from '99 to '07, the FZS1000 '01-'05 (this model is an electrical- hall effect sensor right?) and a lot of TDM900's. All of this information is from, a great resource for matching parts between models.

I'm currently scowering the web for parts already used for this mod. Any help would be great thanks.

*I'll upload some photos soon.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: My fazer has had some TLC
« on: 09 August 2015, 10:14:45 AM »
The fella clearly knows what he's doing; the bike looks great! Change/ spray the water pump cover and the bike will be a real headturner.

FZS600 Fazer / Acument Cat 1 Alarm- issues
« on: 09 August 2015, 10:12:08 AM »
 Hi all,
 Bought another FZS600 yesterday. Hopefully it's not the start of a collection? [Maybe it should be; I love the foxeye Fazers]
 I'm quite happy with the bike overall- not thrilled with it but it's only with me whilst I'm sorting out its sister- another FZS600. The one thing that's nagging me is the alarm system; I've never owned an alarmed motorcycle before. The ongoing issue is that when I have stopped at traffic lights or given way to other road users, with the motorcycle in gear, stopped and the throttle on idle, the alarm will start beeping after about 30 seconds! It will begin quietly and beeping infrequently, but it steadily escalates the longer I'm waiting?! This is with the alarm supposedly off/ in 'road' mode.
 It goes without saying I'm not keen on the attention and looks I'm getting; I know what I'd think if a motorcycle waiting at a junction randomly starting beeping like some kind of doomsday device.
 Is there anyone reading this with any similar experiences, and hopefully solutions? I'm sure it's just an operator- my- error but the user guide reads like an Enigma Decoder.
 Any help or advice would be much appreciated.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: What started you off....???
« on: 18 July 2015, 11:41:51 AM »
 The majority of my dad's side of the family all own bikes. As soon as I could touch the rear footrests I would go touring with him, mainly on his mint Suzuki GSXR1100, but sometimes on one of his RD350's. As soon as I could take the test my parents bought me a single cylinder 2006 YBR125. I was very lucky to have such parents; aside from the initial expenses, my dad was very patient in pointing out the finer points of biking, mainly about observations and lane discipline. I'm can happily say I can't remember the last day that I wasn't riding at least one of my bikes    :)

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Traffic collision
« on: 13 July 2015, 08:04:37 PM »
Hi all, cheers for all the advice, though it looks like your responses have been as varied and mixed as that of my insurance company. When I initially contacted my insurance company they said they appreciate that this is my first road incident and that they would be there to support me; for all intended purposes acting as a mediator between myself and the third party. However, having called them today they're making no such gestures. They have taken no action, nor have they contacted the other party, recommending that I sort it out personally.

Evidently, if you are third party, fire and theft only, even if the other party has accepted liability it is still for you to sort everything out. This has brought crushing clarity to my misconceptions regarding insurance parties in general- that being they have the clients' best interests at heart, and unfortunately it does seem that if they are not legally obligated to facilitate a claim or client as entailed in the contract, simply put it is not in their interest to do so!

I'll contact the third parties' insurance as soon as they open tomorrow and hope for a simple and speedy solution.

The whole thing does leave me wondering- have I been naive? Or just unrealistic in my expectations? In comparison, how do your own experiences and expectations of similar events compare? I'd be very interested to hear about them.

FZS600 Fazer / Traffic collision
« on: 06 July 2015, 07:12:58 PM »
Whilst commuting from work I was hit by a car. The long and short of it is that I was travelling along a major, straight road and the other party pulled out from a minor road intending to cross in front of me. There was damage to both vehicles.

I have contacted my insurance party but am not sure how to proceed with the claim. With my insurance being third pary, fire and theft only, do I leave my insurance company to settle the matter for me? Or pursue with a solicitor?

 I have not been contacted by any other parties besides my own insurer, and frankly I am unsure how to proceed.

Any advice would be appreciated, as this is my first road incident on the bike and so I have no experience with these matters.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: FZS600 USD fork conversion query
« on: 18 April 2015, 01:41:50 PM »
Hi All,

It's been a while since I've posted anything about the R1 front end up swap so I thought I'd share the updates.

I offered up the new R1 5PW bottom yoke (with FZS steering stem) and 5VY top yoke to my frame and it fits like a glove. A shroud was needed to reduce free play between the steering stem and bore, and to raise the top yoke up about 8mm as the R1 top yoke is quite a bit thinner than that of the FZS yoke. I think I will need to drill and fit grub screws into the steering stops to prevent any knocking against the radiator or clocks- the clearance between these parts is pretty close to say the least, as both yokes are much wider than the FZS's, but otherwise job's a good 'un    :)

The next stage will be fitting my original FZS ignition barrel to the 5VY top yoke, the reason being to keep all the lock sets matching.

The OEM spec ignition barrel for the R1 is significantly wider than that of the FZS, and for the lock stop to mate with the frame during assembly I will have to lower the ignition barrel by quite some way also- 22mm to be exact. Some small hollow spacers should do the job quite nicely, and the mounting points for the ignition barrel will have to be enlarged and re-tapped for the new security bolts to fit during final assembly, otherwise the lock set simply won't be secure.  I'll upload some photos during fabrication to better illustrate what I mean.

Once this is all done I will need to fit bar ends to my new Convertibar clip on risers. As I'm intending to use clip on's rather than the typical clamp riser conversion normally carried out on similar conversions, this should raise handlebar height to just 5mm lower than normal bar height on an OEM FZS front end. Bearing in mind I'm only about 5ft 4- a tad on the 'vertically challenged' side, this should suit me to a T. Furthermote there shouldn't be any hose/ cable stretch issues with the handlebars being more or less in their originally intended position. Weirdly enough the original FZS bar ends fit pretty well in the Convertibar handlebar ends- a happy coincidence although the Convertibar handlebars are intended for push-fit bar ends?! Some rubber tubing should ensure sufficient fitment and eliminate any free play. Alternatively PTFE tape and 'hope' should work as a short-term fix.

For anyone looking for similar clip on risers, I've had a look at similar companies- Renthal and Woodcraft both coming highly recommended- but all of the above charge extortionate prices for new bars. My advice, either have some 'bespoke' clip on risers made up or watch eBay like a hawk like I did. Needless to say I owe eBay and my local bike breakers a fair bit after all these parts.

Cheers again for all your advice and let me know what you think. I'll try to comment on this thread a little more regularly than I have been and hopefully I'll have some photos ready for you all the next time I update it  :)

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Swingarm swap
« on: 30 March 2015, 05:50:04 PM »
Thanks Chris, I'll PM Dolau.

It probably would be a lot cheaper but the exhaust has actually dented the swing arm so that mark is there for good. Plus the bikes getting up to 30,000 miles now, so a new swingarm would only add to the value- less mileage can't be a bad thing.

You would need to get the the bush with it as 98/01 one  is shorter.

Sorry Unfazed, by 'bush' do you mean the main swingarm bushes or the rear spindle spacers? And if the later, wouldn't that imply the later model has a slightly narrower profile rim?

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Swingarm swap
« on: 29 March 2015, 03:53:41 PM »
I dropped the bike in the snow earlier this year and the exhaust knocked against the swingarm, leaving a nice big mark. As I'm changing a lot on the bike already I figured I'd get everything looking immaculate whilst I'm at it. The simpler (and cheaper) option would be to get a mint '98 swingarm but sadly they're proving to be rare as hen's teeth these days.

FZS600 Fazer / Swingarm swap
« on: 29 March 2015, 01:25:29 PM »
 Hi All,
 I'm considering swapping my rear swingarm for that of a more modern 2002 Fazer 600 (I currently own the '98 5DM model).
 As far as I can tell the only variation between the two are the position of the mounting lugs- where the '98 model features only the two for chain guard/ rear hugger, the '02 model features an additional lug mounted on the left hand spar (rider's position)- facing in the opposite direction (towards the wheel). Beyond this all the other dimensions seem to match so aside from a new rear hugger being required, it should be a straight swap. Furthermore the wheelbase seems to remain the same but I'm looking for a more reliable source for this specification.
 Has anyone any insight into this kind of modification or attempted a similar modification? I've read a couple of threads for a VFR and Mille conversion but to be honest I'm more interested in sticking with Yamaha- if it's a good enough spec for the original factory engineers I'm sure it’s good enough for me    ;)

FZS600 Fazer / Re: FZS600 USD fork conversion query
« on: 22 February 2015, 10:46:13 AM »
Top yoke sorted  :D    like Kebab said it looks like the 5VY will do the job

FZS600 Fazer / Re: solved my fazers terrible lighting...
« on: 21 February 2015, 10:57:18 AM »
Ace mod   :) I do lots of night time/ low light riding and the LED's are a cracking idea

FZS600 Fazer / Re: FZS600 USD fork conversion query
« on: 21 February 2015, 10:53:19 AM »
* Confirmed by eBay shop, 4XV and 5JJ mudguard unfortunately won't fit 5PW forks.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: FZS600 USD fork conversion query
« on: 21 February 2015, 09:06:34 AM »
 It looks like just about everything has been ticked off the old shopping list. My forks arrived a couple of days ago and besides a bit of weeping from the seals (but no pitting within the travel.... Phew...) they're perfect    :D   . That said I couldn't believe how much shorter they are than the 5JJ's! However said fork length shouldn't be a problem once they're fitted to the wheel (will be using the original FZS600 wheel), and I will be using bespoke under-yoke-clip-on’s to avoid any fouling against the tank, also meaning I should be able to use all of my current handlebar switchgears, throttle tubes, levers, etc. May opt for some larger bar ends pending how much vibration I get off the clip ons. Hopefully very little- this is only a FZS600 after all. Possibly heated grips also, we’ll see.
 Having spent the last week milling over old microfiche I've come to the conclusion (and feel free to challenge me on this; I'm not 100%) that whilst any of the 2003-2010 mudguards will be compatible with the 5PW forks, any of the R1 yokes should be compatible to one extent or another. Sadly there is variation between 4XV/5JJ and 5PW mudguards, and without them in front of me I can't tell whether said variation is purely aesthetic or whether the position of the mounting bolts has actually changed. Fork diameter didn't change until much later, so it looks like the 4XV, 5JJ, 5VY and 4C8 yokes are all compatible with the 5PW forks- the only change being position of the pinch bolts for some reason; it looks like the more recent R1's move the pinch bolts closer to rider position, and exaggerate that funny contour on the top yokes that engineers just go mad for. For that reason, I'm looking for a top yoke as close to the year of my forks as possible. It goes without saying, ideally the same year  ;)   It may be that some of the more recent top yokes are thicker than the earlier models, so I'm intending to see a couple of local bike breakers to measure up these yokes and see for certain.
 Also for anyone interested, I've been in touch with a few suspension specialists regarding the R1 fork springs, and the only one to give me a clear definitive answer is K-Tech. Apparently the original 8.5N fork springs installed in the '03 Yamaha R1 forks will be fine for the FZs600 conversion. My local Yamaha franchise dealer confirmed this. Evidently the 30-something-kg difference in wet weight is negligible, but I am taking this with a pinch of salt- race techs tending to fall on the stiffer side of the spring spectrum than what I'd typically want for road use.
 So forks, spindle, spacers, speedo, steering stem, headstock bearings, adjuster and lock nut, front wheel, brakes, instruments, another complete Fazer lock set... all check. Besides the shroud for the steering stem/ top yoke, the top yoke itself, clip ons, bar ends and the front fender am I forgetting anything?
 Also any opinions on changing brake lines, etc whilst the project is underway??

FZS600 Fazer / Re: FZS600 USD fork conversion query
« on: 16 February 2015, 06:50:27 PM »
Cheers Kebab and RubyRacing; variation in ground (and radiator ) clearance between my current and proposed forks was anticipated, but I didn't consider it to pose too much of an issue- I'll have a look into this but I won't know for sure until everythings fitted. It goes without saying that the last thing I would want would be my front tyre and radiator 'hugging' it out   :o    Will keep everyone posted should anyone else be doing a similar conversion    :)

I take it that if the 5JJ and 5PW forks are externally identical, then fitting a 5JJ front fender to the 5PW forks also shouldn't be an problem??

FZS600 Fazer / FZS600 USD fork conversion query
« on: 15 February 2015, 08:39:04 AM »
 Hi all,
 I've been tinkering with the bike for some time now and thanks to happy happen-chance I've come across a pair of 5PW forks. However, one small bump in the road is getting a hold of a top yoke to match- the 5PW having been produced for only 18-something months, they’re about as rare as hen's teeth.
 To that extent, does anyone know if either of the earlier YZF R1 yokes might match the 5PW's? I can't see a reason why not if the 5JJ's forks are externally identical to the 5PW's.
 It goes without saying any advice on the matter would be greatly appreciated.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Replacement radiator
« on: 28 August 2013, 11:17:05 AM »
 I've tried contacting AutoCoolRadiators and WestMerciaRadiators both but neither has got back to me.
 Has anyone had any experience with Motorcycle Repair Specialists in the East Midlands?

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Crash. Fix. Test. Tweak
« on: 22 August 2013, 09:04:30 PM »
I don't know how I've done it but the problem's sorted. All I had to do was remove both the fork legs, strip em, change the oil, check the seals and springs for damage (whilst the springs visually look fine they do have twice as many miles on them as the Fazer itself, so I'll be changing them for some multi-progressive fork springs early next month) and rebuild and refit the fork legs. No idea what the problems were caused by but I took all the advice on board and it's better than before, so thanks all!

The brakes are still a bit slow to respond but I'll be replacing the hoses and discs early next month also.

What's better is I haven't found any other issues or weird sensations coming from the bike as of yet. I was worried that the suspension and braking issues might be hiding something else but so far everything is running well- fingers crossed.

FZS600 Fazer / Replacement radiator
« on: 22 August 2013, 05:41:54 PM »
 Hi all.
 I've finally got some money together and I'm tidying up my Fazer. First and foremost, one of the things that I've been meaning to replace is the radiator due to some cosmetic wear. I'm not too worried about money- I'd rather put a bit more into it to get a better part if you're with me. However I checked with my local Yamaha dealer and frankly the prices I'm looking at for a genuine replacement part are extortionate.
 What I'm looking for is some advice in regards to aftermarket parts. Thus far I've been using genuine Yamaha parts for both my bikes and I have little experience with other manufactured parts.

 Has anyone had any experience with Delvic parts? Any fitting issues or the like I should be aware of? Or is there another manufacturer that I've missed?
By the end of my tinkering I want the bike looking as close to brand new as possible and if I can continue to put some money away it might even become a bit of a project of mine.
 Any and all advice would be great thanks!

General / Re: I Crashed !
« on: 08 August 2013, 01:11:25 PM »
Glad everyone's ok. I crashed out a couple of months ago (on my 600  :rolleyes ) and it's never pleasant, just try to learn something from it.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Crash. Fix. Test. Tweak
« on: 01 August 2013, 06:16:34 PM »
 Re: Kebab19, I was wondering if it might be a confidence thing. I've been taking the bike out on some nice easy rides- nothing stressful- just getting comfortable with the bike again. It was after all a pretty big crash and I wouldn't be surprised if my confidence did take a knock from it. That said I feel alright. I'm not pushing myself at all, just taking it easy. That said, I might be tensing up a bit before corners- I've felt myself doing so on one particular corner; practically identical to the one that I crashed out on. However, the bike just isn't responding the way it used to. Note, this might just be me. I'm considering taking the bike down to my local MOT tester to see if he might notice something I haven't, and likewise to see if I do have a fault or whether it is just me.
 At high speeds I can almost feel a bit of horizontal play somewhere on the front end- very, very slight play I should say- more so when on an incline. But like you said earlier, it might be down to these forks being more sensitive than my last, or indeed my mentality during the ride. Thinking the worst I checked the spindle, but that's all fine, and I redid all my torque settings against my Hayne's manual, just to make sure everything is right on that front.
Also my head bearings are all torqued up.
 Does anyone know of a frame specialist based in the East Midlands? Considering I wouldn't be able to notice any alignment issues or the like with my naked eye- short of it being really bad, I think it would definitely be worth getting my frame checked out by a professional.
 Re: AdieR, The brake discs were running true prior to the crash- I did some servicing on the bike at college about a week before the crash and the discs were fine then. Since my last post I've taken the bike out on some longer rides and the brakes are feeling a lot better than on my first test ride.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Crash. Fix. Test. Tweak
« on: 30 July 2013, 03:15:23 PM »
 Thanks guys.
 I stripped the bike to check the frame and I couldn't find any breaks or twisting in the frame or around the headstock, but I did change the bottom yoke, as I figured all that force which was transmitted through the fork legs (snapping one of the stanchion tubes in the process) might have also affected the yoke. Better safe than sorry I guess. I also got new head bearings when I changed the yoke.
 I've not taken the forks apart since I got them but they do look quite used. I checked for dripping fork oil and the condition of the dust caps when I bought them, and it's all fine on that front. I also checked for pitting on the stanchion tubes and its all clear there too. I couldn't say what fork springs have been used but mine before the crash were standard progressive springs made by Yamaha.
 I'm thinking of ordering a hyperpro multi-progressive kit to integrate into these stanchion tubes and my previous fork legs from the crash, as they are still in fine working condition. This would also give me a chance to get some new fork seals.
 The brake discs and callipers are the same as I had before the crash. I mean to change the discs as when I put it up on the spindle for a static balance test, the discs had some wobble on both sides, indicating they are very slightly bent. Thinking the worst, I took the whole wheel down to my local tyre place for an integrity check and pointed out the fault, and it came back all clear. I was given some advice as to what to look out for in regards to braking issues and haven't had any issues so far (the bike's done about 30 miles since being fixed).
 It might be worth changing the brake hoses. On the outside they look fine but I hadn't considered any internal issues.
 As for the radiator, there's nothing wrong with it- I did a coolant pressure test and a boil test on the temperature sensor, and the whole unit is working fine- but the previous owner must have used a jet washer or something to clean it, as some of the cooling fins are bent and/ or twisted. I was a bit concerned by this but I've got the bike up to temperature and the warning light hasn't come on, so I think it's all good. That said, it wouldn't hurt to get a new one and have the whole bike looking that much better for it.

FZS600 Fazer / Crash. Fix. Test. Tweak
« on: 30 July 2013, 11:50:42 AM »
Hi there.

I had a pretty major moment on my FZS600 a couple of months ago and whilst I walked away pretty much unscathed, I can't say the same for my bike.
I won't get into it, but the front end was totalled, and I'm sure if I'd been fully comp it would have been a right off.

I'm taking a level 2 IMI course in motorcycle mechanics and engineering so the whole thing was blessing in disguise. It's allowed me to indulge in my own little project whilst riding my 125 (YBR) to work and financing the whole operation.

So I'm now at the point where the bike is up and running, everything's going great, but the bike just doesn't feel quite the same. And why should it? Half of it's been pieced and patched from other Fazers! This might just be a confidence thing- I had a major accident and got lucky- so after that experience of course I'm going to have a new perspective on my ride. But to an extent the bike does feel different.

For one thing, the brakes (Brembo blue bolts, not changed post-accident) feel a lot softer, despite a thorough bleeding, and are slow to respond. For another, the forks (a replacement from another Fazer) don't respond all too well and I'm feeling a lot more from the road surface, from minor bumbs to grip.

Seeing as I've gotten this far with the bike, I figure I might as well go the extra mile and make the bike my own, investing in a few performance parts. So far I'm looking at the brake discs and radiator. This is where I'm stuck. What I'm looking for is a few recommendations from my fellow FOC-cers in regards to these aftermarket/ performance parts. What works for you? Are there any manufactured parts seen way above the rest? Are there any I should avoid?? Have you had a similar incident? Is what I'm feeling from the bike normal after a crash, or is there something I should be keeping an eye on in regards to the bike?

Any and all advice would be very much appreciated, so thanks guys and girls. Discuss!  :D

FZS600 Fazer / Re: break or put back on the road ?
« on: 30 July 2013, 11:31:35 AM »
I crashed my 98 Fazer a few months ago- new tyre, wet weather, following a mate on roads I didn't know... Pretty stupid really.
Anyway, I managed to snap one of the stanchion legs in half, the other was pretty bent, my tyre went through the radiator and needless to say the fairings and the like were trashed. Overall, not a pretty picture at all.
I was looking at a few options- buying a similar model with more miles off of ebay, possibly keeping the rest as spares after a few transplants... selling my bike and buying a new one... Even going straight to a manufacturer and getting a brand new Yamaha on finance. But in the end this Fazer was my first big bike and I simply couldn't part with her.
I got in touch with a few motorcycle breakers, and between the breakers and ebay I managed to sort out everything for about £400, covering the forks, bottom yoke, front nose fairing, radiator, fuel tank, headlight, clocks, front mounting bracket and a few little pieces besides.
So fix it, you'll love the experience and afterwards will feel even more confident on your bike, if that's possible.

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