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FZS600 Fazer / Re: cutting out
« on: 26 July 2017, 09:26:30 AM »
When idling on your drive is the bike on centre or side stand?
Do you lose sparks to all plugs?
These intermittent probs are a bugger to sort most times because of the source of the problem can only be tracked whist it's playing up, if after 5 mins it fires up again does not give you much time to check/trace the problem.
Can't be a coil breaking down otherwise it would do it while idling/4K revs on driveway.
Does the bike have an immobiliser fitted?

Thinking back to a coil pack breakdown, I understand the FZS has two coil packs, one coil serves two plugs, would a FZS 600 actually run on just two cylinders/one coil?

It would appear by you experiments so far not to be heat related, the only other forces or elements involved are windforce, movement/rise and fall of suspension or flexing/swinging arm, steering.
Try sitting on the bike while on drive with the bike ticking over/4K revs, on the stand then off the stand then turning steering to the left and right, then bouncing up and down, if you do one of the actions at a time it should eliminated the possible issue. If one action does appear to be the fault try it several time to ensure it was not just coincidentle.

This is an interesting prob please keep us updated as the resolution will a good one for the FZS 600 armoury.

Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: Just bought a 1000 Fazer
« on: 25 July 2017, 04:05:57 PM »
Yes good news, I've been following this thread with interest, keep us posted.

Same as that

For Sale & Wanted / Re: Forks Wanted
« on: 24 July 2017, 09:17:50 PM »
Sorry Mick if you can not be arsed to guess that's up to you mate.

General / Re: What did you do with whatever else you've got?
« on: 24 July 2017, 10:03:12 AM »
Hey a Bullet!
No not the bike! but for you.  :eek

My buddy has a modern ish Bullet with a sidecar fitted we have had so much fun on the old thing, flat out with me in the sports chair/sidecar and Billy at the helm, I say helm cos it's like being on a boat, she will do 56 mph.

New front pipe, as original has a restrictor in it and larger sized Amal concentric carb to compensate for the bigger bore front pipe and a BSA Goldie style silencer (straight through) sounds amazing.

We do a coastal run on it through towns and villages along their south coast from Northchaple in Sussex through Petworth, Arundel and onto the coast road through the rural villages and end up at New Haven for lunch and a pint then return trip, makes me smile thinking about it as it takes all day, could do it on the Fazer in less a third of the time.
It really does put a smile on our faces though with kids looking and pointing, covering their ears and the old geezers giving us the thumbs up and waving, remembering their old days on a combo I guess, when parking up people come up to us to ask about the bike.

General / Re: Twatnav
« on: 24 July 2017, 09:29:09 AM »
I use a TomTom XL2 that I got for the car several years ago and put it in one of those waterproof holder things for mounting on a motorbike. (Off Ebay). Not as easy to use as a proper motorbike one but a lot cheaper and does what I need. A mate has a later car type TomTom and seems to have a few problems with it sometimes.
Mounted mine on a bracket above the clocks on my boxeye 600.

Using the exact same unit & case as Limax but mounted between bar clamps.

I use Tom Tom 820 Go-Live same case off evilBay, had a spare Go-Pro handle bar mount/clamp set the angle of it up marked joints with Tip X pen took it apart and super glued it together, works a treat, one thumb screw and it's completely removed from the bike,mounting and all.

General / Re: Twatnav
« on: 24 July 2017, 09:19:06 AM »
this my satnav...

Bit of a safety hazard having that thing stuck on your front screen, especially if your journey crosses from one page to another. Bet at motorway speeds the pages flip back and forth by themselves.
I left my last AA map plugged into my computer overnight and it never did update.

The MOT ran out on the 14th but there was no "rush" and it wasn't a Premium service etc., I called up last night to see if they could do it today, they said "no probs, just bring it down early and we'll get it done".

I thought nothing of it until I got the text invoice...I'll pay but question where the extra £20 comes from.

I usually take it somewhere else but that place couldn't do it as they'd bought the wrong insurance so they couldn't ride anyone's bikes to the MOT test centre they use...idiots!

Lesson learned I guess.  However they DID do a great while-you-wait job on the rear caliper though, split caliper (neither bolt would budge), removed 2 broken retaining pins, removed 2 stuck pistons, all for £20.  It allowed me to clean, rebuild and bleed myself so saved £60 labour.

Swings and roundabouts.

Like you say, a bit much for the MOT which you needed and they should've advised extra cost. Decent price for the caliper though.

I'd just pay up and get the MOT elsewhere next time.........unless you fancy a row after a day's work.

I agree with Tiger pay them what they ask, tell all you friends not to use the robing bastards services and the go on Facebook and tell your story about your expierence with the garage. I would have asked them if they usually wore a mask and rode a horse named Black Bess.

General / Re: cooling system flush
« on: 23 July 2017, 11:38:38 PM »
Not sure if it is absolutely necessary but I used de-ironised water you can also use distilled water instead of tap water.

I live in a really hard water area and kettles fur up badly so my thinking was to go the above route.
I also flushed mine with a hose and ran the bike for about 12 miles (to local town and back) with just fresh tap water in it and drained it out again while still fairly hot, the flush water came out clear.
But to be honest I actually think the original stuff in the cooling system was fine as it was still very pink and no hint of discolouration. The little clear expansion tank at the back was also clean inside.

I refilled the system with pink 5 year concentrated stuff and de-ionised water, that was the winter before last and it's still clear pink.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Have I blown my battery
« on: 23 July 2017, 10:54:09 PM »
I think the first place I would start looking is under the left hand front fairing infill panel if you have no power to the lights indicators etc.

Under the left hand side (Clutch lever side) infill panel is a large (white in colour) multiple electrical connector, it is a known issue with the FZS 600 water gets into this connector and the terminals in there corrode and cause all sorts of intermittent headlight side light speedo and rev counter issues.

It is two screws to remove this infill panel, after removing switch ignition on and lights and pull and push this connector about if the instruments, lights, indicators and ignition lights come on and go off as your are wiggling the connector you have found your problem.

That would be my starting point trying to solve the problem, especially as that is the area that you have most recently worked on.

It is also a possibility that dropping the starter relay onto the battery causing sparks has /maybe screwed it, but try the connector block mentioned above before you spend any money

Let us know how you get on.


Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: PR 4, Roadtec 01's, Roadsmart 3
« on: 22 July 2017, 11:15:20 PM »
Heard some really great stuff about the Bridgestone T30s, apparently Ron Haslem School of Racing use them on all their Race School bikes, now that has to be a good advert.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Fitting new fork springs
« on: 22 July 2017, 05:56:32 PM »
Well done, not sure how you did it but it would seem risky allowing the weight of the bike to push the fork legs into their uppermost
(Compressed, stanchion top plug/bolts out) position while on centre stand.
I think I would prop the bike up at the front by chocking under the down pipes with blocks of timber, removing the front wheel and then sorting each leg individually by pushing up the leg and then chocking it in that position while checking the oil level. Ideally the legs should really be upright when checking the oil level not at the rake angle of the forks, but may just be splitting hairs.

Its been a while since I did my forks, well not that long, but seeing I am getting on a bit my old memory does not serve me so well, If I recall the oil level/air gap is measured before the springs go into the stanchions.
I had to reduce my oil level because I fitted cartridge emulators when I converted my forks and fitted linear springs, the YSS emus displaced about 20ml of fork oil, but the Linear Ohlin springs were very slightly less tightly wound (Constant pitch as opposed to dual pitch) than the original Yamaha springs so my guess was that one cancelled the other out, so I put the 20ml back in each leg while doing the fine tuning to level and viscosity.

Let us know how you find the ride when you have finished final adjustments and tuning.
Oh! What springs did you decide on? Some swear by Linear springs that suit your rider weight others say Progressives are best, but I'm sure what-ever route you go it will be  vast improvement on the wrist breakers that Yamaha fit as standard.

I personally think that there is one spring weight suits all.
I feel that a lady rider weighing about 8.5 stones needs a much lighter spring that a beefy male rider weighing in at 18 stones, but again it is an opinion and lots will disagree, after all if you fit a customised rear shock the custom builder wants to know your rider weight fully togged up ready to ride so he can fit the right spring, Nitron certainly do.         

General / Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« on: 17 July 2017, 09:59:45 PM »
One 10 mm bolt on gear change and a few allen screws its worth just checking the sprocket nut if the chain set was making a lot of noise, just as a precaution, 20 minutes off and on again, as against engine strip down and a shed full of expense if its gone tits up down there

General / Re: Three word story
« on: 14 July 2017, 10:06:05 PM »
from outside a

Introduction / Re: New member, new rider, new fazer owner!
« on: 14 July 2017, 07:20:39 PM »
Don't tell MissB anything she has been stalking me for years :eek
Only tending :lol

Introduction / Re: Old git with newly acquired FZS600 Foxeye.
« on: 14 July 2017, 07:17:29 PM »
I'll see you all at next years Dragon Rally.Camping in Snowdonia in February.I'll be 71 by then.Sixty.What I would give to be sixty :lol .

Robbo you old fart your the same as me, only I'm much better looking LOL 

FZS600 Fazer / Re: How Much!
« on: 12 July 2017, 09:33:17 AM »
£10,000 plus for 4 Ltrs of Motul seems a little bit on the pricey side, but, it is fully synthetic so you do expect to pay a little more so maybe its not so bad.  :eek
yeah I often buy oil on evilBay but I needed it pronto, so, I purchased from a dealer, and of course its going to be dearer that way but not £70+ for 4 lTRS of Fully Synth.

The company I purchased from are A-Force Motorcycles from Aldershot Hants, small company run by two brothers, both bikers, Darron one of the bros has a Boxeye FZS600.
They are very helpful and if i have work that I can not do I take my Fazer over to them. So far its been tyres and MOTs and a puncture repair at one time, I would recommend them to anyone wanting work done, they are prompt, skillful and do not charge an arm and a leg for repairs.   

FZS600 Fazer / How Much!
« on: 11 July 2017, 09:05:50 AM »
Decided to do an oil change on the old girl a couple of days ago, so after a long brisk ride when returning home with engine very hot
(Ride and 28C temperature)
I drained the oil out and spun the oil filter off, new alloy washer on the drain plug, lubed the new filter rubber seal spun it back on.

Bollocks only car oil in the shed and about 1Ltr of Shell Advanced 4T Motorcycle Oil, 7-30pm garages shut put bike away.

I made a couple of phone calls to local motorcycle shops the next morning, one which will remain nameless quoted £70-49 for 4 Liters of Motul Fully Synthetic 10-40, WTF!.  :eek
When I questioned them about that price I was told it was a premium oil that all the best race teams use. So I ordered 5 X 4 Liter cans, actually I hung up.
I then phoned up A Force Motor Cycles of Aldershot and purchased my usual tipple for the old girl 'Shell Advanced 4T synthetic @ £35 for 4 Ltrs, now I would love to know how much better Motol Oil over Shell Advanced?.

I wont name the garage that wanted to charge me double for 4 Ltrs of oil, no I am not being generous toward them its just that I might be stuck and need them in the future LOL :lol

Fresh oil in the Fazer and tools away.

Now I am one of those sad sods that likes to keep a record of all the work I have done on the bike, dates, mileages etc, so opening up my Yammy maintenance book I notice when recording mileage that I had in fact only done 2,300 miles since the previous oil & filter change, looking back I did the last change on 17/03/15 but hardly rode the bike that year because of a very ill and final loss of my Mum-in Law
(Now no Mother-In-Law jokes :lol ) She was a great old lady.
So what is the most anyone has been asked for by a suppler for 4 Ltrs Of 4T Motorcycle Oil ? Synthetic or Semi Synthetic.

General / Re: To hot forthe bike
« on: 10 July 2017, 06:19:34 AM »
Yep the right clothing makes huge difference, plus as mentioned on here, being in the position to choose your time to ride is a real privilege.
I wear a leather jacket with a floro waistcoat and Kev Jeans most of the time, but when it gets above 20 degree out comes the Cordura Jacket, lining out and the jacket main shell is made with perforated panels which work a treat, my bucket is a LS2 Convert that had a brilliant ventilation system and the front chin bar swings right over behind the helmet turning it into a true open faced bucket.
The other bonuses for me is I am retired and I do not live in a city where temperatures are usually 8 or so degree above the rural setting.

Viva La Hampshire
AKA 'The Shire'   

General / Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« on: 10 July 2017, 06:06:10 AM »
Went for a blast down to the coast Sunday afternoon, spent a couple of hours on the beach reading my kindle, ridiculously busy, I think there were more people there than there were pebbles.
Quick thrash back home, engine nice and hot so did an oil drain and new filter. Need to purchase some oil today to refill the old girl.
To be honest the oil that came out was pretty clean with about 3.5 to 4K on it.

Heard lots on here from different guys about oils, some say that there are some cheaper options out there from lesser known companies, but, I think I will pay premium prices and stick to what I have always used 'Shell Advance' motor cycle oil fully synthetic.
Even if it is not any better than cheaper options it gives me confidence knowing it is a premium oil.

Monday morning now, shit nights sleep, serves me right it was self inflicted as a group of 8 of us went to the Madhuban Tandoori Restaurant in Liss last night and sampled their delicious fare, well more than sampled pigged out is more accurate, not forgetting their delicious Cobra lager. So the upshot is for me at least is 'Do not over eat on spicy food a few hours before bedtime.

Well at least I am up early to put my fly fishing tackle in my van, my Son and I are off to try catch a few trout at Meon Springs Fly Fishery today.

Get oil on way home and replenish the old girl. Take a bike ride to Loomies tonight to grab a coffee and chat with some guys about all sorts of shite and look at the bikes.

Sounds like a good day to me.   

General / Re: losing the back under front braking...sometimes?
« on: 09 July 2017, 12:11:14 AM »
Hi Val, your MT09 is a 2015 yes? Have you had the bike from new? What sort of mileage has it done? And has it allways run wild at the back under reasonably heavy front braking? Or is it a new thing that's just started? If it is a new thing what have you done differently or what has changed (fallen off it hit a kerb hard) Lots of questions I know but a bit of background history is always good.
I bought an Ambasador 250cc (Villiers two-stroke twin) years ago that had really weird handling characteristics, it was like riding a ruptured camel (not that I have any evindence that a ruptured camel handles poorly) but it transpired that it had been in a front end shunt and although had been repaired well, the steering head tube on the frame was bent out of alinement, slightly to one side and the handling was awful. Looking at the bike from the front when on the centre stand you could actually see that this single frame downtube did not run centrally between the fork legs.
Back wheel bearings maybe? Under power the chain pull will keep the wheel in alinement, slam the throttle shut and maybe the wheel can slap about, it would not take much to upset the dynamics.

General / Re: losing the back under front braking...sometimes?
« on: 08 July 2017, 08:16:52 PM »
Well I am no mechanic, you say that the front does not dive excessively when braking, I think I would be looking at the arse end rather than the front, swing arm bearings, suspension linkage bearings the shocker itself maybe top or bottom shock mounting, under hard front braking the back will always go lighter but it should not cause the bike to skip and hack about.
Hope you get that sorted cos it does not inspire confidence when riding.

Just had a thought might just be worth checking wheel alignment and or true-ness of the wheel when spinning.
Sounds like clutching at straws I know but just some times it works.   

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Osram LED Cool White Back/Stop light bulbs
« on: 08 July 2017, 07:56:57 PM »
What were they thinking?
"Cool White" is entirely the wrong colour temperature for brake/tail lights... thats around 6000K when you're aiming for about 1000K i.e red.
Obviously there is going to be foc all light left by the time that's got through the red plastic filter.

Hey Matey Peeps,
I don't know anything about colour temperature but what I do know is theses bulbs are an absolute joke, you really would be better off with a tea light candle in there.  :rolleyes

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Osram LED Cool White Back/Stop light bulbs
« on: 08 July 2017, 06:02:14 PM »
In fact I will be so pleased to see them go I have already packaged them up with label awaiting the recipients info

FZS600 Fazer / Osram LED Cool White Back/Stop light bulbs
« on: 08 July 2017, 05:50:10 PM »
Hello Fellow Foccers,
Before you get excited about the LED Back/Stop light bulbs, one post in here was going on about how bright they are, believe me they are NOT in fact they give out about half the light of the standard incandescent bulb. The LED bulb itself 15 LED diodes so you would think would be incredibly bright
(All work for brake light some work for rear light)
The issue with them is that the LED's are round the side of the bulb and none on the top or end of the bulb so none of them face the rear (See attached Photo) honestly they are worse than useless.
Sorry Osram 'Must try harder'

If one of you wants to try them I will gladly give them to you with all the packaging, and, I will gladly pay the postage to get rid of the hopeless pieces of crap.

EvilBay link to SHIT bulbs.

If you want them the first person to message me will become the unfortunate owner.

General / Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« on: 07 July 2017, 07:04:44 PM »
Washed and polished the old girl and went for a blast to the beach.
Beautiful day nice and warm not a cloud in the sky at the beach spent the afternoon reading my kindle in the sun.

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