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« on: 29 November 2018, 09:49:53 pm »
VNA you must be so conflicted because on one hand you are using brexit as a leverage tool to back up your fight for scotish independence, so if we brexit you can carry on using the "England dragging scotland out of the EU" chestnut. Yet you are backing remain and if you win that one then you put yourself one more step away from scottish independence.
No wonder you are Virtually Nearly always Angry. Fazersharp, The priority is to REMAIN in the EU. If there is a second referendum, I will be voting to tear up article 50. Sadly, yes this will solve the current sore of major material change, and means that it will be very difficult indeed for Scotland to continue to insist on a second Scottish Independence Referendum at this time. As a famous former American president once said – It’s the economy stupid. No wonder you are Virtually Nearly always Angry. Please if you wish to address me in full, it’s Very Nasty Andy  I abbreviated it when the forum moved from YUKU to it’s current host.
1802
« on: 29 November 2018, 09:41:09 pm »
Keep your chin up. I had a little wobble a couple of weeks ago, but I got over it thank goodness. Although in my defence I had imbibed a few too many light ales at the time  .
I admit the situation doesn't look good, but it's not all over yet, as much as they'd like it to be. Indeed the situation looks pretty grim. Though there is a possibility of the UK returning to service as normal, and therefore continuing it’s frictionless free trade with the biggest single free market in the world, the threat of BREXIT still looms. May’s deal means the UK will no longer be a sovereign state, and growth and the performance of our economy will be slower than as a full EU member. A NO DEAL, will in effect be worse than the 2008 financial crash and subsequent recession of which we are only just now putting being us. We’ve already had one lost economic decade, a NO DEAL could easily lead to three lost decades. With the pound crashing you could potentially see the cost of motorcycle such as Yamaha’s MT10, £9999.00 before the BREXT referendum, easily end up costing 14 or 15K.
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« on: 29 November 2018, 07:48:52 pm »
the bottom line is those of us who voted to leave got shafted.
if the country and the government had held their nerve and got a good deal, it would have been fine.
but you have to hand it to the remainers (including Teresa may), they played a blinder.
Make such a piss poor jo of it all that we either come out worse or have another referendum which obviously will now go the way of remain, given that we know no one in power will fight for what we actually wanted. Add in weve been humiliated by the EU, and had two years of being slated for our racism/xenophobia/stupidity etc and its a remainers victory over democracy.
and you know what? mttreadand vna are right. I was stupid. For ever believing there was a chance the powers that be would see it through properly. oh well hey.
I for one will never vote again, nor care whos in power both here and amongst our EU overlords. Naw Ogri. You were unwittingly voting to be shafted. The EU currently represents 25% of global GDP. And guess what it is right on our door step. Further it is one single free trading market. Currently as full members we have full unrestricted access to that market. What BREXIT aims to do is to make it harder, more difficult and also more expensive to access that massive market. Trade deals are about countries moving closer together in order to increase trade by making the flow of goods easier and simpler. BREXIT is the opposite of a normal trade deal.
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« on: 29 November 2018, 06:27:04 pm »
What they don't realise is that it doesn't matter because those who voted leave either didnt believe the project fear and even if they did they don't care and see it as a risk or price worth paying in the long run. They may yet not believe it, but it’s already happening. The UK has the third slowest year on year GDP growth in the EU. And the pound has slumped 14% against the Euro since the BREXIT vote. Standard and Poor have downgraded our credit rating. This is just basically just at the thought of BREXIT. And if BREXITEERS don’t care about money, well what was the 350-million-pound bus about? So where do the BREXITEERS think the money from for the NHS is going to come from with a NO DEAL BREXIT throwing us into a recession way deeper than even the financial crises of 2008?
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« on: 28 November 2018, 11:54:15 pm »
I suggest Jacob Rees-mogg. A well balanced debate would be good  Yeah lets just make it a Tory debate. The live TV Tory BREXIT debate. Theresa May, Great Britain’s Prime Minister representing her deal, the only deal – May’s BREXIT. For a NO DEAL BREXIT I give you multi-millionaire, hedge fund manager Jacob Rees-mogg. For ditch article 50 and REMAIN in the EU, I give you lead No Deal BREXITEER’s Boris Johnston’s brother Jo Johnston. Roll up roll up. Come and watch the Tory party tear itself apart. Roll up roll up come and see the great English fools. Roll up roll up - lets all laugth at Great Britain. 
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« on: 28 November 2018, 11:43:01 pm »
Aye, well, it is after all about the Tory party.
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« on: 28 November 2018, 11:16:55 pm »
And also a prominent 'Leave' conservative as both Theresa May and Corbyn were Remainers at the time of the referendum. Boy. That’s quite a thought. The Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition from within her party perhaps? The idea of such a farce sums up nicely where we find ourselves as a result of the 2016 referendum. Perhaps it should be broadcast all across Europe so they can all wet themselves watching Great Britain make a rip roaring James Hunt of itself.
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« on: 28 November 2018, 11:11:02 pm »
Funny how all these predictions of the UK being this much or that much worse off have suddenly hit the headlines today. BofE for instance. And this would be the same BofE that didn't predict the 2008 financial crash? 
Governments own figures project for 15 years. So I guess in 1993, they should have been able to predict the 2008 financial crash too? Err no. These are financial forecasts not predictions. There is nothing new here.
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« on: 28 November 2018, 10:38:36 pm »
Prior to EU membership, i never had to pay 20% tax on anything i bought That’s incorrect, as I’ve pointed out before VAT replaced the purchase tax in the UK. So tell me again, how I'm better off in the EU Agricola you continue to blame the EU for the policies of successive UK governments, and it appears local councils too.  You were given a ball to kick, and like many others you kicked it hard. But I’m afraid you’ve kicked the wrong ball.
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« on: 28 November 2018, 08:48:21 pm »
So the EU is a black hole, sucking us in ever further, from which we can never escape, no matter what the consequences for the nation In a word NO! Every expert analysis demonstrates that we will be poorer under May’s deal, and considerably poorer again under a NO DEAL scenario. In other words we benefit greatly from our full membership of the EU.
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« on: 28 November 2018, 07:28:30 pm »
So I was going to get the womans size 10 Really! Size ten huh? Fazersharp likes dressing up in women’s clothing. It’s OK, fine with me – each to their own and all that.  Now it’ just women’s clothes eh? You are otherwise happy as a man I take it. Cos, you know, if not, well, lots of folks doing the transgender thing these days. Winter riding - eh
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« on: 28 November 2018, 07:26:35 pm »
great photos feller. that must be summat else, being there for real. Thanks Ogri. A lot of huffing and puffing involved. I actually hate going up mountains. What I love is the views and the ridge walks. 
1813
« on: 28 November 2018, 06:52:55 pm »
Fazersharp, sorry bud  I'm quoting you quoting YamFazFan but addressing yourself Doh Doh Doh! Sorry.
1814
« on: 28 November 2018, 05:38:50 pm »
No second referendum. We voted LEAVE.
If there's a vote it should be a choice between May's Deal or No Deal.
Fazersharp, So clearly you accept that people didn’t really know what BREXIT was when they voted for it. No we've had the referendum. Leave won. It's over. There should be no talk of another, only how we leave. You just do not get it YamFazYam. It may not be possible. Right now it looks like parliament will vote down May’s deal. If May survives that, and I think she will, she will come back for a another go, she will then exert the maximum possible pressure on the house to vote it through. Call it project fear for Westminster – and she will pull all the stops out. If that then fails, well we have a full-blown parliamentary crisis. The question is how you get out of that. And I would suggest to you, for all the talk at the moment of NO DEAL – perhaps you should forget it. May’s deal might get through, but parliament in the event of a looming NO DEAL will act and stop it. And remember May’s deal means we give up our sovereignty and enter into an agreement in which we accept rules will be imposed on us by others, and further there is no way out of it without the agreement of the EU.
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« on: 27 November 2018, 10:39:56 pm »
The remainers love to think so as they can weaponise it in their arguments. They like to think the brexiteers are so stupid that they believed every word on the bus. The whole lies were said thing has been done to death its boring- both sides were guilty of it - er surprise ! -- they were politicians. I think the British public saw through all of it. This is just meaningless waffle. Waffle because either you are avoiding, or are in fact, unable to address the substance.
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« on: 27 November 2018, 06:38:07 pm »
I never realised that the UK had to introduce VAT in order to join Fazersharp, VAT replaced the UK’s purchase tax. And it was definitely a step in the right direction. Mrs May has challenged Corbyn to a live TV Brexit debate prior to the Commons vote. YamFazFan, Yes apparently “Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn have agreed to take part in a live TV debate on Brexit before MPs vote on the deal.” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46355299I presume that Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland will also be represented.
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« on: 27 November 2018, 06:30:27 pm »
What we're getting now (and not just on here) is a lot of Brexiteers moaning (Bremoaning?) because they are not going to get the particular version of Brexit they wanted - to just walk away immediately, pay nothing, expect the world to come beating at our door. They assume that everybody who voted Leave wanted exactly the same as them, when clearly that wasn't the case. Many wanted an EFTA /EEA type deal 'just like Norway and Switzerland who are doing so well'. But now No Deal Brexiteers try to hijack the 52% majority vote.
Well the good news is it's not going to happen. As VNA says we don't know what's next, but that's not it.
Then of course there's the current criminal investigation of Arron Banks and the indication of illegal foreign funding. They're not going to let him off the hook.
At least all of the 48% Remainers agreed fully on what they were voting for and what they were going to get as a result.
So I'm feeling more confident by the day. This is going only in one direction.
Bollocks To Brexit  That’s an excellent post mtread. There is another aspect that I feel the country needs to consider moving forwards. The official LEAVE campaign portrayed BREXIT as turning the UK into a land of milk and honey. They made out that that EU took 350 million pounds a week from the UK and that we received nothing in return. They further stated that we could simply leave and we would then have 350 million pounds a week more to spend on the NHS. The whole campaign was based on lies. The people fronting this campaign openly lied. One definition of a lie is - a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood. If currently under our legal system there is no possibility of prosecuting those who led that campaign (eg Johnston and Gove), then the question surely needs to be asked if we should review our laws in light of the BREXIT referendum and the LEAVE campaign. As for this only going in one direction – yes I hope so for the sake of the whole UK and the future prosperity of this Union. However I remain somewhat concerned that the main opposition, that indeed facilitated BREXIT by voting through article 50, still seems unable to decide what their next move should be. BREXIT should already be dead and buried, but right now, though on life support, it is still breathing. BREXIT is still a threat to the future of the United Kingdom.
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« on: 26 November 2018, 10:39:09 pm »
Quote from: VNA on Today at 09:39:34 PMTo get that you would have to elect the closet racists – ie UKIP – Whoa, Selective quoting is OK, but that's actually altering what I said. Focs sake don't forget the fruitcakes and loonies. Have they not seen the main Brussels bureaucrats all old WHITE men giving out their demands for quotas on migrants that countries must take, where is the diversity in the EU high command where are all the women and people of colour. The answer is - we elected them.
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« on: 26 November 2018, 10:32:56 pm »
Cheers. Another one from that week. Was a good week that. Another Skye hill - Beinn na Caillich. Marsco and Beinn na Caillich arn't big hills (classed as Grahams) but they are spectacular. Steep little buggers though. Oh yeah full heavy weight Merino base layer on that week. Once near the summits 2 breathable t-shirts, fleece, insulated jacket plus wind poof jacket and the usual gloves hat and fleece buff round ma neck etc etc. Great week but one foccing cold week. 
1820
« on: 26 November 2018, 09:39:34 pm »
Ok lets have another referendum but the questions HAVE to include a No Deal exit as well as May's deal or stay.I voted to leave - I didn't vote for a deal - I didn't vote to give the EU 39 billion, none of that was on the ballot paper.And there should be NO debates in the run up from either side about the the pros and cons and lies and projects of fear or buses or gov printed pamphlets. It should be based on what we have learnt over the past 18 months and witnessed.If a no deal leave is on the ballot paper that is what most people will vote for - my prediction. We leave - the EU does not pass go they do not collect 39Billion. We then negotiate the bits we want how ever long the politicians want to take pissing about doing it, but we do it from a position of out and holding all the cash.
Has anyone seen an itemised bill from the EU for the 39 billion. I partially agree with you. Nobody knew what BREXIT would actually mean at the time of the referendum (though please remember the referendum is actually about the Tory party). Now we do. Or rather we know what the interim deal is. As for NO DEAL, I do not think parliament would ever put that to the people. It’s not an option. The BREXITEERS will eventually have to accept that. And there should be NO debates in the run up from either side about the the pros and cons and lies and projects of fear or buses or gov printed pamphlets. You can’t do that. It would be undemocratic. Illegal in fact. Has anyone seen an itemised bill from the EU for the 39 billion. It is simply to fulfil our contractual obligations. Remember we are fully paid up members who are in fact tearing up our contract and getting divorced. So we have already approved and committed to expenditure, projects etc etc before June 2016. And if you NO DEAL – our credit rating will be effected. If you NO DEAL and don’t pay, our credit rating will be trashed and our reputation around the globe damaged. Sadly we have no choice but to pay. To be honest, we just have to sit back and see what happens at this point. I don’t think May’s deal will be voted through parliament (I could of course be wrong) and if it does indeed not pass, well it’s just a guessing game as to what happens next. A second referendum is just one of a number of possible options. This is a very serious UK political crises now. Seriously as for NO DEAL. It’s just not going to happen. No idea what the bookies are offering on that, if they will even offer odds on it. I really do genuinely think it’s that low a possibility. To get that you would have to elect the fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists – ie UKIP – whom I get the feeling barely exists now.
1821
« on: 26 November 2018, 08:13:21 pm »
Not checked out Seil Island yet. Keep meaning too. Climbed to the summit of Ben Nevis which was fun, but tough going in places. I always find the descents harder than the asscents. Really gets me on the ankles  . Not been up Ben Nevis yet. Yup sometimes coming down is harder than going up. It’s the knees with me. Though my ankles tire too – in fact everything starts going at the end of a long walk. I use poles pretty much all the time. I only really put them away if I need to use my hands, or it’s winter and I need to carry or use my axe. Poles are kinda like 4wd going uphill. They steady you over rough ground, great for river and burn crossings, plus great for saving you when you slip. This is Marsco on Skye, taken the same week. 
1822
« on: 26 November 2018, 06:18:10 pm »
When there's been a referendum on the matter (Leave EU), the MP's should respect the majority view of the voters within their constituency area and vote accordingly as a formality. Why should one person make out they know better than the thousands who voted otherwise?. We’ve been over that. It was a consultative referendum. Nobody had a clue what BREXIT would mean in reality. We now have a proposed deal. MP’s do not have to accept any old deal that is put before them. I'm never voting ever again in any election/referendum if that happens. Good. More power to my vote.  Look the reality is as full members of the EU we are part of process. We have a say in everything the EU does. We are part of the democratic process. Any piece of legislation can be voted down by 3 member states objecting in agreement. And on major decisions we have a veto. Under the EU we are a sovereign state. This interim deal keeps us in the customs union allowing us free trade with the EU for the duration of the transition. But it takes us out of any negotiations relating to the running of the single market and customs union, and obviously we loose our veto. We will no longer be a sovereign state as long as we remain under May’s deal. And of course for the pleasure of loosing our sovereignty we pay 35 billion quid We will remain locked into the customs union for ever and a day until we come up with a solution to the Irish border. To date nobody has come up with a workable solution. So not only do we have no say in the running of the customs union but the EU will hold us locked into it. Hence we will no longer be a sovereign state. I bet the fishermen would see you as a Judas. I think that is how many see the Prime Minister Dazza. We will continue to abide by the common fisheries policy until such time as we can negotiate a new policy. That is a new policy that the EU will accept. It will ultimately be their decision not ours. Same goes for everything else. This is an interim deal to facilitate the real BREXIT negotiations. So are there any positives? Well yes one – that is if, if, if, parliament ultimate sings this off. Once we realise our mistake, and that is that we are no longer a sovereign nation and we are stuck in a temporary position indefinitely – we will be able to re-negotiate full membership in order to regain our sovereignty. However our terms will have to be acceptable to the 27 existing members. We will never achieve the deal we currently have. May's deal is shite.
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« on: 26 November 2018, 05:58:59 pm »
VNA;
OK, but you surely you don’t want to leave the EU because you love it’s rules? So what are these objectional laws – the ones you dislike and why? Dazza;
And if you for one moment think I'm going to trawl through 52741 laws that the EU has imposed on us since 1990 you been drinking too much of that Scottish whiskey.
It's quite plain and simple, and I can only speak for myself.... The EU is undemocratic, we didn't vote them in, we can't vote them out...... That, right there is the main reason I voted to leave.
My Great Grandad served in world war 1 and was wounded by machine gun in the leg. Luckily he survived.
My Grandad served in World war 2 in the desert under Monty. He never spoke about it right up to the day he died.
I'm not going to go into detail about my service because it's not important.
I don't believe in God but If I ever met up with them again after this life is over, I want to look them in the eye, knowing I didn't just vote to hand power over to the very nation they fought against for us.
There are many of us Englishmen who feel the same and will never change our minds.
I've served with Scots, proud Scots, good men, solid men. Men who were not only proud of being Scottish but we're also proud of being British.
I know this, you don't represent all Scottish.
I bet the fishermen would see you as a Judas.
The best thing for all is that you just accept.... We had the vote, it didn't go your way, that's it,deal with it and move on.
Get behind it and let's all make the most of any opportunities that come from it.
Stop being the voice of doom and gloom.
You wanted an independent Scotland... I don't blame you but that didn't go your way either........
It's all starting to make sense now why you cant let it go...... Don't hate us, don't hate English politics, it's all corrupt, it's all a load of bollocks. We all know that and we know there's nothing we can do about it.
We all just make the best of what we've got.
What we don't want or need is the EU thinking they know best for us too.... Because they don't,they don't give a fuck either.... Look at all the riots going on in France at the moment.
All up in arms over taxation.
The influx of Moslem men sexually assaulting German women... How do you think that's going end.
Europe is a pressure cooker waiting to explode, surely you can see that.
I'm out of this thread now, it's obvious where I stand and why.
You just need to accept you didn't get the result you wanted.
If it had gone the other way, I for one would've just accepted and got on with it. Sae thas naw, ye didnae ken? Thought so.
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« on: 26 November 2018, 05:54:19 pm »
Taken on Beinn Liath Mhor at the end of march this year. Standing near 876 spot height on the map and about to make my way along the ridge to the summit marked 926 on the map, before descending down to Coire Lair. A good bit of the descent I did sliding downhill on ma bum. Saved a bit of walking! https://binged.it/2DYJqNkI’m looking north west and you can see Liathach in the distance.
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« on: 25 November 2018, 10:46:28 pm »
You may add the poking fun symbol but you really come across as having a problem the the English. No, not at all. I do have a problem with English politics. It’s simple – you guys get the governments you deserve – I want that opportunity too. Or perhaps English folks don’t like Independent minded Scots; Lord, grant that Marshal Wade,May by thy mighty aid,Victory bring.May he sedition hush,and like a torrent rush,Rebellious Scots to crush,God save the King.  My whole voting life has been under Tory governments. And before you say New Labour, well it was just Maggie’s biggest achievement. I could do this 52000 or more times but would be simpler if you googled it like I did. 
And nowhere did I say they're all objectionable and negatively impact us.
OK, but you surely you don’t want to leave the EU because you love it’s rules? So what are these objectional laws – the ones you dislike and why? Or is this all about freedom of movement, and fishing?
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