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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #575 on: 28 November 2018, 01:58:05 pm »

No second referendum. We voted LEAVE.
If there's a vote it should be a choice between May's Deal or No Deal.

If we don't include the stay option - then when the vote is won to leave with no deal they will never give up..

Vote vote and more votes I think we should have them all the time and for everything. Forget smart meters and instead fit every home with a voting console, we can then do away with the house of commons and the lords and turn them both into hotels.
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #576 on: 28 November 2018, 04:44:10 pm »

No second referendum. We voted LEAVE.
If there's a vote it should be a choice between May's Deal or No Deal.

If we don't include the stay option - then when the vote is won to leave with no deal they will never give up..
If the vote is won to leave with no deal in that scenario. What if it's not and they win it by the same margin that Leave won the first one?.All of a sudden it'll be a 'convincing victory' and we'll stuck in that rotten to the core institution forever.
Even if Leave won again they'll never 'give up'. They're like the worshippers of some discredited cult religion.

No we've had the referendum. Leave won. It's over. There should be no talk of another, only how we leave.



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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #577 on: 28 November 2018, 05:38:50 pm »
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No second referendum. We voted LEAVE.
If there's a vote it should be a choice between May's Deal or No Deal.
Fazersharp, So clearly you accept that people didn’t really know what BREXIT was when they voted for it.
 
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No we've had the referendum. Leave won. It's over. There should be no talk of another, only how we leave.

You just do not get it YamFazYam.  It may not be possible.  Right now it looks like parliament will vote down May’s deal.  If May survives that, and I think she will, she will come back for a another go, she will then exert the maximum possible pressure on the house to vote it through.  Call it project fear for Westminster – and she will pull all the stops out.  If that then fails, well we have a full-blown parliamentary crisis. 
The question is how you get out of that.
And I would suggest to you, for all the talk at the moment of NO DEAL – perhaps you should forget it.  May’s deal might get through, but parliament in the event of a looming NO DEAL will act and stop it.
And remember May’s deal means we give up our sovereignty and enter into an agreement in which we accept rules will be imposed on us by others, and further there is no way out of it without the agreement of the EU.






 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #578 on: 28 November 2018, 05:47:48 pm »
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No second referendum. We voted LEAVE.
If there's a vote it should be a choice between May's Deal or No Deal.
Fazersharp, So clearly you accept that people didn’t really know what BREXIT was when they voted for it.
 
Not me that one -wrong quote - come back later when you have had a wee -dram or 2.
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #579 on: 28 November 2018, 06:52:55 pm »
Fazersharp, sorry bud :o
I'm quoting you quoting YamFazFan but addressing yourself :o
Doh Doh Doh! :o
Sorry.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #580 on: 28 November 2018, 07:53:49 pm »
So the EU is a black hole, sucking us in ever further, from which we can never escape, no matter what the consequences for the nation

I dont swallow that. Sure, things might be tough, but weve had tough before. In my lifetime, weve rebuilt our nation, without any help from those quitters in europe, who are an ungrateful bunch of milksops, who'll be banging on our door with their hands up again when the red army comes rolling across the plains

Just sayin

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #581 on: 28 November 2018, 08:48:21 pm »
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So the EU is a black hole, sucking us in ever further, from which we can never escape, no matter what the consequences for the nation
In a word NO!
 Every expert analysis demonstrates that we will be poorer under May’s deal, and considerably poorer again under a NO DEAL scenario.
 
In other words we benefit greatly from our full membership of the EU.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #582 on: 28 November 2018, 08:52:33 pm »
There's more to life than just money.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #583 on: 28 November 2018, 09:29:11 pm »
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So the EU is a black hole, sucking us in ever further, from which we can never escape, no matter what the consequences for the nation
In a word NO!
 Every expert analysis demonstrates that we will be poorer under May’s deal, and considerably poorer again under a NO DEAL scenario.
 
In other words we benefit greatly from our full membership of the EU


Thats easy to say
Prior to EU membership, i never had to pay 20% tax on anything i bought
Prior to EU membership, we had a steel industry, fishing industry, agricultural industry, textile industry, footwear industry.
Prior to EU membership, if I wanted to change my job, I simply walked out of one on a Friday, and into another on the following Monday.
Prior to EU membership, food shopping meant a short walk to the town main street to buy fresh food products grown/reared within spitting distance, not from the other side of the world in refrigerated container ships.
Water, energy and transport were all under national control, with forward planning, and serving the public that owned them
If I wanted, I could walk into my doctors surgery and get to see the doc the same day
As a general rule, I could buy anything from the local high street
Harmonisation of working time directives meant that my employer could change my terms and conditions at a moments notice without my agreement, increase my hours, force me to work weekend shifts including nights at no extra pay
There was a place in the local school for every child in that catchment area
The streets were swept on a weekly basis
Petrol didn't rot my cars fuel system
Criminals were sent jail
The nation wasn't full of people addicted to online bingo#
24 hour drinking wasn't needed, you could get enough before they shut at 1030
The streets weren't covered in fast food packaging, vomit, drug paraphernalia, dog shit, homeless people
British people were tough in the face of adversity
I could walk home from the pub without fear of being battered into the A&E dept on my LOCAL hospital and spending 3 days on a trolley
My girlfriend could walk home from the pub without fear of being stalked and or molested bu someone who was living here illegally


I'm stopping here


So tell me again, how I'm better off in the EU

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #584 on: 28 November 2018, 10:29:15 pm »
Funny how all these predictions of the UK being this much or that much worse off have suddenly hit the headlines today. BofE for instance. And this would be the same BofE that didn't predict the 2008 financial crash?  :rolleyes
Governments own figures project for 15 years. So I guess in 1993, they should have been able to predict the 2008 financial crash too?  :rolleyes


In 15 years, I wonder if there'll even be an EU.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #585 on: 28 November 2018, 10:38:36 pm »
 
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Prior to EU membership, i never had to pay 20% tax on anything i bought
That’s incorrect, as I’ve pointed out before VAT replaced the purchase tax in the UK.
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So tell me again, how I'm better off in the EU
Agricola you continue to blame the EU for the policies of successive UK governments, and it appears local councils too. :eek
You were given a ball to kick, and like many others you kicked it hard.  But I’m afraid you’ve kicked the wrong ball.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #586 on: 28 November 2018, 10:51:35 pm »

I presume that Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland will also be represented.


And also a prominent 'Leave' conservative as both Theresa May and Corbyn were Remainers at the time of the referendum.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #587 on: 28 November 2018, 11:11:02 pm »
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Funny how all these predictions of the UK being this much or that much worse off have suddenly hit the headlines today. BofE for instance. And this would be the same BofE that didn't predict the 2008 financial crash?  :rolleyes
Governments own figures project for 15 years. So I guess in 1993, they should have been able to predict the 2008 financial crash too?  :rolleyes

 Err no.  These are financial forecasts not predictions. 
There is nothing new here.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #588 on: 28 November 2018, 11:16:55 pm »
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And also a prominent 'Leave' conservative as both Theresa May and Corbyn were Remainers at the time of the referendum.
Boy.  That’s quite a thought.  The Prime Minister and the leader of the opposition from within her party perhaps?
The idea of such a farce sums up nicely where we find ourselves as a result of the 2016 referendum.
Perhaps it should be broadcast all across Europe so they can all wet themselves watching Great Britain make a rip roaring James Hunt of itself.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #589 on: 28 November 2018, 11:41:04 pm »
I suggest Jacob Rees-mogg. A well balanced debate would be good :)

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #590 on: 28 November 2018, 11:43:01 pm »
Aye, well, it is after all about the Tory party.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #591 on: 28 November 2018, 11:46:44 pm »
Just to make one thing clear, VAT is not an EU invention. It existed before the EU, and many Non-EU countries have also adopted VAT systems. 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #592 on: 28 November 2018, 11:54:15 pm »
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I suggest Jacob Rees-mogg. A well balanced debate would be good :)

Yeah lets just make it a Tory debate.
The live TV Tory BREXIT debate.
Theresa May, Great Britain’s Prime Minister representing her deal, the only deal – May’s BREXIT.
For a NO DEAL BREXIT I give you multi-millionaire, hedge fund manager Jacob Rees-mogg.
For ditch article 50 and REMAIN in the EU, I give you lead No Deal BREXITEER’s Boris Johnston’s brother Jo Johnston.
Roll up roll up.  Come and watch the Tory party tear itself apart.  Roll up roll up come and see the great English fools.   Roll up roll up - lets all laugth at Great Britain. :lol 
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #593 on: 29 November 2018, 12:12:29 am »
Apparently the Liberal Party (12 MP's) and the Green Party (1 MP) wish to be included in the debate.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #594 on: 29 November 2018, 09:35:34 am »
Or we could have the (failed 7 times) non MP bore Farage  :lol

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #595 on: 29 November 2018, 09:53:11 am »
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Prior to EU membership, i never had to pay 20% tax on anything i bought
That’s incorrect, as I’ve pointed out before VAT replaced the purchase tax in the UK.
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So tell me again, how I'm better off in the EU
Agricola you continue to blame the EU for the policies of successive UK governments, and it appears local councils too. :eek
You were given a ball to kick, and like many others you kicked it hard.  But I’m afraid you’ve kicked the wrong ball.


So tell me how Im better off in the EU then

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #596 on: 29 November 2018, 09:57:38 am »
Two items from our local news bulletins this morning. Vernon Coker MP, pleading in parliament for the govt to act on the nationwide scourge of violent (knife and gun attacks) crime, and the erection of anti terrorist barriers around the streets of the city to prevent terrorists ramming cars into pedestrians. We never had either of those before the EU

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #597 on: 29 November 2018, 10:17:14 am »

Or we could have the (failed 7 times) non MP bore Farage  :lol


I've always liked Nigel Farage. He speaks a lot of sense, but I doubt he'll make it onto the panel.


If it's on Channel four or the BBC I expect it'll comprise of about 7 prominant Remainers and Mrs May.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #598 on: 29 November 2018, 10:19:29 am »
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We never had either of those before the EU
Are you just making this stuff up  :rolleyes
We never had 'Strictly Come Dancing' before the EU either.......
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #599 on: 29 November 2018, 10:22:06 am »
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If it's on Channel four or the BBC I expect it'll comprise of about 7 prominant Remainers and Mrs May.
But that's 8 prominent Remainers  ;)