The marketing spiel is designed to get you hooked, but it's still oil at the end of the day, that has to be of certain specs and regulations, otherwise engines would be going pop left, right and centre.I wanted to try fully synthetic for a change so tried this stuff out for quite a while now and i've been more than happy with it, with no issues whatsoever.As long as the oil is changed within the recommended intervals then you shouldn't have any problems. The 600's are given a 6000 mile recommendation, but me, along with quite a few others tend to change it around the 4000 mile mark, so paying over the odds for it isn't too appealing just because it has a fancy name on the container.The semi synthetic is even cheaper, but if you haven't bought any already give this gear a go, i promise you won't be disappointed. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-Fully-Synthetic-10W-40-10W40-Motorcycle-Oil-4-Stroke-JASO-MA2-10W-40-/111838862300?epid=0&hash=item1a0a1d9bdc:g:anIAAOSwHQ9WXgZfhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-10W40-Super-4T-Semi-Synthetic-Motorcycle-4-Stroke-Engine-Oil-5-LTR-/121799799494?hash=item1c5bd572c6:g:PMMAAOSwoydWj6~Y
Quote from: darrsi on 23 September 2017, 09:27:44 amThe marketing spiel is designed to get you hooked, but it's still oil at the end of the day, that has to be of certain specs and regulations, otherwise engines would be going pop left, right and centre.I wanted to try fully synthetic for a change so tried this stuff out for quite a while now and i've been more than happy with it, with no issues whatsoever.As long as the oil is changed within the recommended intervals then you shouldn't have any problems. The 600's are given a 6000 mile recommendation, but me, along with quite a few others tend to change it around the 4000 mile mark, so paying over the odds for it isn't too appealing just because it has a fancy name on the container.The semi synthetic is even cheaper, but if you haven't bought any already give this gear a go, i promise you won't be disappointed. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-Fully-Synthetic-10W-40-10W40-Motorcycle-Oil-4-Stroke-JASO-MA2-10W-40-/111838862300?epid=0&hash=item1a0a1d9bdc:g:anIAAOSwHQ9WXgZfhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-10W40-Super-4T-Semi-Synthetic-Motorcycle-4-Stroke-Engine-Oil-5-LTR-/121799799494?hash=item1c5bd572c6:g:PMMAAOSwoydWj6~YWhy are you changing it sooner than recommended? Do you doubt the oil quality, or some other reason?API SL and JASO MA2 seem very promissing.What's the (not petrol station rip off) price of Motul 7100 10w40 in the UK?
Good price here on a blackshadow rear disc that fits the FZS600. British made to boot http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Monster-Supersport-ST2-ST4-ST3-wavy-wavey-rear-disc-Blackshadow-uk-/292272142575?hash=item440cc6f8ef
Quote from: celticdog on 05 October 2017, 08:59:11 pmGood price here on a blackshadow rear disc that fits the FZS600. British made to boot http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Monster-Supersport-ST2-ST4-ST3-wavy-wavey-rear-disc-Blackshadow-uk-/292272142575?hash=item440cc6f8efYou sure it fits?
Quote from: darrsi on 06 October 2017, 01:34:41 pmQuote from: celticdog on 05 October 2017, 08:59:11 pmGood price here on a blackshadow rear disc that fits the FZS600. British made to boot http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Monster-Supersport-ST2-ST4-ST3-wavy-wavey-rear-disc-Blackshadow-uk-/292272142575?hash=item440cc6f8efYou sure it fits?I hope so cos I've bought one!
Quote from: celticdog on 06 October 2017, 06:07:23 pmQuote from: darrsi on 06 October 2017, 01:34:41 pmQuote from: celticdog on 05 October 2017, 08:59:11 pmGood price here on a blackshadow rear disc that fits the FZS600. British made to boot http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Monster-Supersport-ST2-ST4-ST3-wavy-wavey-rear-disc-Blackshadow-uk-/292272142575?hash=item440cc6f8efYou sure it fits?I hope so cos I've bought one!I've been on the lookout for a new rear disc, i just can't stand the thought of going through all the grief of changing it though after the last one turned into a nightmare.It's okay for now but it will need changing soon.
Quote from: darrsi on 06 October 2017, 06:55:40 pmQuote from: celticdog on 06 October 2017, 06:07:23 pmQuote from: darrsi on 06 October 2017, 01:34:41 pmQuote from: celticdog on 05 October 2017, 08:59:11 pmGood price here on a blackshadow rear disc that fits the FZS600. British made to boot http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Monster-Supersport-ST2-ST4-ST3-wavy-wavey-rear-disc-Blackshadow-uk-/292272142575?hash=item440cc6f8efYou sure it fits?I hope so cos I've bought one!I've been on the lookout for a new rear disc, i just can't stand the thought of going through all the grief of changing it though after the last one turned into a nightmare.It's okay for now but it will need changing soon.What happened?
The disc bolts should have thread-lock on them which makes them difficult to undo. You need to give each bolt plenty of heat to release the thread-lock. They are still a devil to get undone and normally make a good crack noise when they start to turn.When you put a new disc on it's best to also use new bolts with thread-lock, you can use your old bolts if they came out ok and the Allen bolt heads haven't gone sloppy but new ones don't add too much to the cost and I've always thought that bolts that have been heated are weaker which is not a good idea on the most important part of your bike.
You really need a blow torch on them so they're really hot.I use thread-lock because the bike manufacturers do. They're renowned for cutting down on grease etc so if the disk bolts didn't need thread-lock they wouldn't put it on.
Firstly, do they even need threadlock, 'cos i seriously cannot imagine them ever coming loose if torqued properly?And secondly, as the disc is being changed, would it not be a great idea to take the bike for a spin and use a lot of rear brake, because that will heat all the disc bolts up anyway!
Quote from: darrsi on 07 October 2017, 02:14:40 pmFirstly, do they even need threadlock, 'cos i seriously cannot imagine them ever coming loose if torqued properly?And secondly, as the disc is being changed, would it not be a great idea to take the bike for a spin and use a lot of rear brake, because that will heat all the disc bolts up anyway!Agreed, threadlock is not necessary in my view. I've used Copaslip when I change the discs and they haven't unscrewed themselves.As for the rear disc heating the screws and wheel hub, it just doesn't.Well, no more than a few degrees anyway.Steel is a lousy conductor so most of the heat is lost to the air directly from the disc. What little does get there is then distributed rapidly through the whole wheel (aluminium is an excellent conductor), so it never gets the bolts any more than tepid.
Quote from: Fazerider on 09 October 2017, 01:17:05 pm Quote from: darrsi on 07 October 2017, 02:14:40 pmFirstly, do they even need threadlock, 'cos i seriously cannot imagine them ever coming loose if torqued properly?And secondly, as the disc is being changed, would it not be a great idea to take the bike for a spin and use a lot of rear brake, because that will heat all the disc bolts up anyway!Agreed, threadlock is not necessary in my view. I've used Copaslip when I change the discs and they haven't unscrewed themselves.As for the rear disc heating the screws and wheel hub, it just doesn't.Well, no more than a few degrees anyway.Steel is a lousy conductor so most of the heat is lost to the air directly from the disc. What little does get there is then distributed rapidly through the whole wheel (aluminium is an excellent conductor), so it never gets the bolts any more than tepid.I can totally understand manufacturers using thread lock, they're simply covering their arse in the very unlikely event that a bolt might unscrew, plus they don't have to remove the buggers either so probably smear plenty of the strong stuff on it too.It's quite possible the disc I tried removing was the OEM one so maybe that's why it was so difficult?