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Title: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 29 April 2019, 02:10:37 pm
I have just learned from the FZS600 section that a 6 sided socket is less likely to round off a nut. Never knew that  :o I will be fitting a new chain and sprocket set and I have the sizes I need but they are all 12 points

So I am going to invest in a few for the  :faz rear wheel / sprocket nut/ and a 14 and 17mm. Are these Draper ones a waste of money https://www.toolstation.com/12-drive-6-point-socket/p52746. (https://www.toolstation.com/12-drive-6-point-socket/p52746.) If so any recommendations of something better.

Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: robbo on 29 April 2019, 03:39:16 pm
Draper's ok, but Halfords do a lifetime guarantee, or certainly did when I bought a big 3/8" drive set from them.
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 29 April 2019, 03:57:06 pm
Draper's ok, but Halfords do a lifetime guarantee, or certainly did when I bought a big 3/8" drive set from them.
The thing is Halfords do not do 3/8 or 1/2 inch sockets in 6 point from what I can see they are all 12 piont except for a few extra deep sockets
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: Grahamm on 29 April 2019, 05:47:43 pm
I got fed up with having to switch between two different socket sets (one which had 3/8" drive and the other which had 1/2" drive). Both also had 12 point sockets which had already rounded off a couple of nuts :(

I bought myself this one from Stanley: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00W8XQRU4/ref=pe_3187911_185740111_TE_item (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00W8XQRU4/ref=pe_3187911_185740111_TE_item) which is a lot better.
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 29 April 2019, 06:12:51 pm
 Never given it any thought.
Just checked my socket sets, Bacho and Teng, all 6 point.
Here’s a nice set - https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Bahco-S106-7314150103997-Socket-Set-106-Piece-1-4-And-1-2In-Drive (https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Bahco-S106-7314150103997-Socket-Set-106-Piece-1-4-And-1-2In-Drive)
 
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: YamFazFan on 29 April 2019, 06:38:37 pm

I always buy 6 point hex sockets. Can't see any advantage to 12 point other than it will fit on the nut/bolt head quicker.


I sort through boxes of sockets and tools at car boot sales. You'd be amazed what gems turn up at those places for bargain prices if you've got the patience to sift around crouched down on the floor.


A lot of people clearing a garage out don't know the difference between Snap On and Super Savers own brand :lol


Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: darrsi on 29 April 2019, 06:41:10 pm
Can't remember what I paid for them, but just in case there's any deals going on Impact Sockets are 6 sided and are mega strong.

Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 29 April 2019, 07:03:04 pm
Can't remember what I paid for them, but just in case there's any deals going on Impact Sockets are 6 sided and are mega strong.
Right - I will look out for those as well then
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 29 April 2019, 07:03:32 pm
A lot of people clearing a garage out don't know the difference between Snap On and Super Savers own brand :lol

Like me  :lol
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: darrsi on 29 April 2019, 08:17:26 pm
Can't remember what I paid for them, but just in case there's any deals going on Impact Sockets are 6 sided and are mega strong.
Right - I will look out for those as well then


Easily identifiable as they're normally black in colour.
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 29 April 2019, 09:16:32 pm
https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/040211823/ (https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/040211823/) looking at this or this for my front sprocket https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/facom-s-32h-12-drive-6-point-ogv-socket-32mm/ (https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/facom-s-32h-12-drive-6-point-ogv-socket-32mm/)
But will check my local motorparts shop first

Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 29 April 2019, 10:23:27 pm
https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Bahco-Bah12Sm32-7314153009906-Socket-32Mm-1-2In-Square-Drive-Sbs80-32 (https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Bahco-Bah12Sm32-7314153009906-Socket-32Mm-1-2In-Square-Drive-Sbs80-32)

Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: darrsi on 29 April 2019, 11:47:24 pm
https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Bahco-Bah12Sm32-7314153009906-Socket-32Mm-1-2In-Square-Drive-Sbs80-32 (https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Bahco-Bah12Sm32-7314153009906-Socket-32Mm-1-2In-Square-Drive-Sbs80-32)


That's a beauty, such a shame we use these tools few and far between but so nice to have the correct tools when you really need them!
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: Dynspud on 30 April 2019, 06:43:41 am
Only committed bikers could look at a picture of a socket and say "That's a beauty"  :rollin
Love it!!
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: darrsi on 30 April 2019, 06:57:50 am
Only committed bikers could look at a picture of a socket and say "That's a beauty"  :rollin
Love it!!


You gotta appreciate the finer things in life  :lol
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: Dynspud on 30 April 2019, 07:06:11 am
Oh yes Darrsi.
Gotta admit, I looked at that picture and thought exactly the same thing  :rollin
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 30 April 2019, 08:09:39 am
I do like Bacho stuff. Going to see what my local "Patel" motofactors have in stock. But I think it will be a 14mm for the rear sprocket nuts (still expecting a curfuffle there ) and a 27mm for the rear ( it deserves it ) and a 32 for the mother of all nuts - the front sprocket nut with a 24 inch breaker bar.
I already have the all the sockets needed but are all 12 point nut rounders. 
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: robbo on 30 April 2019, 08:58:28 am
Don't ever take a peek inside a Snap On truck then, it's fatal :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 30 April 2019, 01:30:54 pm
So what do people think of these Bergen - us pro https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BERGEN-1-2-Inch-Drive-IMPACT-Socket-Set-Shallow-Impact-Sockets-10mm-32mm-6PT-Hex/131901835067?epid=1991520239&hash=item1eb5f6473b:g:CfYAAOSwnXpboNWx (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BERGEN-1-2-Inch-Drive-IMPACT-Socket-Set-Shallow-Impact-Sockets-10mm-32mm-6PT-Hex/131901835067?epid=1991520239&hash=item1eb5f6473b:g:CfYAAOSwnXpboNWx)
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: robbo on 30 April 2019, 02:14:40 pm
Yep, Bergen's fine. I've got various tools made by them. Maybe not a professionals choice but ideal for the diyer. Added bonus being impact compatible.

Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 30 April 2019, 02:41:01 pm
Yep, Bergen's fine. I've got various tools made by them. Maybe not a professionals choice but ideal for the diyer. Added bonus being impact compatible.
Just found it for £18 so that set is looking good so far as it will do the swing arm/ rear wheel and right up to the 32mm front sprocket.
What makes them impact standard and would my 18v cordless dewalt impact driver work.   
 
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 30 April 2019, 06:27:52 pm
 Y
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ou gotta appreciate the finer things in life  :lol
Yeah, I like the Bacho stuff.  Good quality at a reasonable price.  I’ve got a ½ inch drive set.  We got lots of Bacho stuff at work, it seems to go the distance.
If you need a torque wrench, this covers a lot of stuff on the bike, it’s compact, comes calibrated and should last the DIYer a life time, at not an unreasonable price. 
You can get it in 3/8 or ½ inch drive.
https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Norbar-15015-5060207564533-Pro-100-Adjustable-Reversible-Automotive-Torque-Wrench-1-2In-Drive-20-100Nm (https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Norbar-15015-5060207564533-Pro-100-Adjustable-Reversible-Automotive-Torque-Wrench-1-2In-Drive-20-100Nm)


 
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 30 April 2019, 07:20:39 pm
Y
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ou gotta appreciate the finer things in life  :lol
Yeah, I like the Bacho stuff.  Good quality at a reasonable price.  I’ve got a ½ inch drive set.  We got lots of Bacho stuff at work, it seems to go the distance.
If you need a torque wrench, this covers a lot of stuff on the bike, it’s compact, comes calibrated and should last the DIYer a life time, at not an unreasonable price. 
You can get it in 3/8 or ½ inch drive.
https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Norbar-15015-5060207564533-Pro-100-Adjustable-Reversible-Automotive-Torque-Wrench-1-2In-Drive-20-100Nm (https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Norbar-15015-5060207564533-Pro-100-Adjustable-Reversible-Automotive-Torque-Wrench-1-2In-Drive-20-100Nm)
Thanks I am ok for torque wrenches. I have a Halfords 8 - 60 in 3/8 and a Draper 1/2 inch 60-200
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 30 April 2019, 07:23:04 pm
Here they are
(http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=24814.0;attach=34935;image)
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: Skippernick on 30 April 2019, 10:42:34 pm
I wouldn't worry about the 6/12 sided thing for smaller nuts/bolts they shouldn't be that tight. More of a nice to have thing.
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 30 April 2019, 10:59:10 pm
Yep its mainly for the front sprocket swing arm and 17mm suspension mounts. By the time I have brought 3 single its only a few quid more to get a 14 socket kit.
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: Grahamm on 01 May 2019, 12:03:05 am
I wouldn't worry about the 6/12 sided thing for smaller nuts/bolts they shouldn't be that tight.

Tell that to the front caliper bolts on my FZ6 :(
(Rounded off by a 12 point socket...)
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: darrsi on 01 May 2019, 06:41:36 am
I wouldn't worry about the 6/12 sided thing for smaller nuts/bolts they shouldn't be that tight.

Tell that to the front caliper bolts on my FZ6 :(
(Rounded off by a 12 point socket...)


My lower clutch adjusting nut in the sprocket cover was totally wrecked by a 12 sided socket, i couldn't believe how soft the nut was. I only nip it up these days as well, but i still use a 6 sided socket on it as it tends to tighten itself up over time and needs a good crack to undo it.
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 01 May 2019, 05:38:40 pm
Ach buy yourself a Bacho set.  Includes a 32mm socket and only 50 quid;
https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Bahco-Bahs240-7314150104017-24-Piece-Socket-Set-1-2In-Drive (https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Bahco-Bahs240-7314150104017-24-Piece-Socket-Set-1-2In-Drive)


Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 01 May 2019, 07:25:09 pm
Thing is I already am overflowing with sockets otherwise it would be the bacho if I had nothing already
 
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: coffee on 01 May 2019, 10:22:45 pm
Thing is I already am overflowing with sockets otherwise it would be the bacho if I had nothing already




When I used to do welding at a garage most of the mechanics there had Snap on cabinets full of cracking tools and I used to blag some of the older ones off them because they were really fanatical and would replace good tools just because they were a bit worn,anyway over the years Ive collected 2 cabinets and a couple of tool boxes full of pretty much everything youd need the thing is over the last few years Ive noticed that whether its on the bike or car I never seem to use more than a handful of the same tools over and over,I swear I could get by with a 3/8 drive socket set,a few Torx bits,allen keys,some heavy tools etc.It makes me wonder whether it was worth buying and collecting all those tools,I think Ive got 2or3 1/2 inch drive socket sets,5 or 6 metric ring and combi spanner sets etc,etc, then the other day I was putting some rear pads on my daughters car and had to buy a large Torx socket!!! it makes you wonder how many of these old tools will be any good on modern cars in the future don't it ? :lol

Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 01 May 2019, 10:46:23 pm
Well yeah, it's not gonna be long before lots of us are driving electric cars.Torx? Still got my Britool Torx bit set I bought almost 30 years ago. 
Needed them to change the cyclinder head gasket on my then Cavalier SRi, the replacement head bolts to my surpise and annoyance were Torx.One of those wee sets of bits I only ever use once in a blue moon.
Oh Britool used to be top notch, but like a lot of tool producers they have been bought over, and now it's just a name - don't think the qulaity is there anymore.
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: robbo on 02 May 2019, 08:31:22 am
Still got my Gedore AF/Whitworth set that I got 51 years ago. Used the sliding 1/2" drive T-bar earlier in the week. Having said that, there's a metal box deep under my workbench which has become the graveyard for most of my AF, Whitworth and BA sized tools.
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: coffee on 02 May 2019, 08:57:34 pm
BA! god, I forgot about them! :eek
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 03 May 2019, 03:21:47 pm
Got em. Look good to me.
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 03 May 2019, 03:25:31 pm
The 10mm and other small ones look very strong - they all do actually.
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: robbo on 03 May 2019, 06:30:25 pm
Absolutely ideal, good choice. You can use them with an impact gun as well which is a bonus.
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: midden on 03 May 2019, 09:06:36 pm

I see Lidl have a socket set coming on Thursday all 6 sided sockets …..
You have to love Lidl and Aldi  :)
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 03 May 2019, 09:55:50 pm

I see Lidl have a socket set coming on Thursday all 6 sided sockets …..
You have to love Lidl and Aldi  :)
I saw that earlier too, it looks a very comprehensive set. I think it has every size of sockets and ratchets and bars  1/4  3/8 1/2 £69 and spanners and torx.
Title: Re: 6 sided socket Advice
Post by: fazersharp on 12 May 2019, 01:31:51 pm

I see Lidl have a socket set coming on Thursday all 6 sided sockets …..
You have to love Lidl and Aldi  :)
I saw that earlier too, it looks a very comprehensive set. I think it has every size of sockets and ratchets and bars  1/4  3/8 1/2 £69 and spanners and torx.
So - my set has a 32mm socket - great I can use it on the front sprocket. But the socket is too short and the torque wrench hits the side of the frame. PISS, I only realise after applying loctite 620and starting to tighten, quickly runs to my extension bar, luckily near by because I was using it the hammer the old tab washer back. So for once using a tool for the wrong purpose paid off  :lol