• Was pootling along on my way home tonight when  I felt something hit my left foot.
• Don't spose anyone has a spare bung - or knows if you can buy the bungs separately?

• Happened to me once, thankfully I was filtering at the time and able to go back for afterwards.
• Its just a black nylon bobbin, you could take the remaining one you have left to a machine ship and get them to make a clone, then just remove the Yamaha sticker so the bobbin then match etc.

Does anyone know if any what other rear calipers fit the Gen 1. Cheers

Some will correct me if I am wrong, but I beleive the blue spot rear caliper off an XJR1300 will fit.

1. Then a GSX1250 (the new guise of the Bandit).  That reminded me just how much I love the grunt and torque again. 
2. However, in comparison to the VFR, it was evident how much heavier and 'cheaper' it felt.

I ride a 2006 GSF1200 and a 2005 FZS10000 and the above two sentences apply perfectly -

1. going from a 1200 to the 1000 you will missed the low down torque of the bandit.
2. the handling ans suspension on the fazer is better than the bandit.

• osram nighbreaker plus x2
• no dazzling the other road users to the point where they come at you head on in dark country lanes and wipe you out.

• The stock FZS600 square mk1 head light even when in good condition, its utterly shite. Sticking some slightly better halogens bulbs in there isn't going to make much difference.
• Projector lights produce even less dazzle than reflector based lights.

Your aware that those projector kits come with HID's, just one them would be brighter than both of those osram halogen bulbs.

Thought some MK1 foccer's might be interested in this -

Yamaha FZS600 Fazer bad headlight fix (Bi-xenon projector kit)

http://www.retrofitlab.com/retroquick-projector-kits-1/yamaha-fzs600-mh1.html

What am I missing, why is it a scam? Have they just not got the wrong picture in the ad?

Its possible the bike wasn't registered till 2007, but I find that extremely hard to believe. And they are a Yamaha dealer so how could they have made such an obvious mistake, a 2007 FZ1 with that kind of mileage is not even work that much.

• - Do you have any evidence to suggest that the beam pattern from a FAZER reflector will fail an MOT if fitted with a HID bulb or not?, preferably with supporting evidence.
• - A brighter light will make things more noticeable - but given that the whole point of the excercise is to be noticed.
• - Fyi, any forward facing light that is not white is also an MOT fail. Wrong. Think of indicators, they face forward don't they?
• - White light is generally considered by scientists to be between 2.5k and 10k with the daylight being between 5 and 6.5k Kelvin.
• - Self leveling suspension is not specifically mentioned for motobikes, but since self-leveling suspension is not defined for motorcycles, again tester discretion is involved. 
• - At the end of the day, if you are unlucky enough to fail an MOT, it takes less then five minutes to unplug them and replace one bub with the traditional H4 bulb you carry under your seat. No tools required. 

• my local MOT testing station and I would have to take some before and after pics at night to show you how the scatter can effect oncoming and well as traffic to the side.
• And there is the logic, the reflector wasnt designed to cater for bulbs that are 300% brighter. Most motorcycle reflector based headlights have scatter, which is good when using stock bulbs but bad with HID because the resultant scatter is so much brights it dazzles oncoming and adjacent traffic. Again i would have to take pics to hammer home the point/
• I'm referring to forward facing headlights not warning lights - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1989/1796/schedule/4/made
• You and I both know anything above 5k is the beginning of the blue end of the spectrum as far as human sight goes.
• Fair enough.
• Agreed.

Just to nip some things in the bud, I don't have a problem with HID's. My issues are, those telescopic kits  - the vast majority are cheap Chinese items that should be avoided like the plague because the baffles are so poorly designed that they add to the scatter problem. I have yet to see a kit that has correct amount of baffling (I made my own ages ago and the plan was to get a local enginering shop to make a laser cut version, but I never got around to it) And the colour, anything above 5k is asking to be pulled by the old bill and/or fail an MOT.

• Yes, all reflectors based headlights in both bikes and cars". Are you saying that ALL reflectors will fail an MOT if HIDs are fitted?
• What are you basing this on as it does not seem to be the universal experience.

• Yes, as I mentioned in the post on the 8th "The reflector is only certified and designed for the intensity and brightness of a halogen bulb"  - a HID bulb is just so bright it literally "hi-lights" the limitations of the reflector and lens.
• You look at ANY oncoming vehicle with HIDs fitted and as said vehicle passes, you will get a sparkle/scatter and that is with you as the observer off to one side - not even directly in the path of the dipped beam. It dosen't help that most of the owners of said vehicles are fitting HID kit with 6k colour bulbs (bluish) OEM fitted HIDS kits are 4300k (which is what is fitted to my bandit). Fyi, any forward facing light that is not white is also an MOT fail.
• And lastly the DfT detective states HID can only be fitted to vehicles with self levelling suspension, last time I looked only the Honda goldwing and 'some' BMW bikes have this. but this is going off the topic of this thread.

Yes a lot of MOT places will pass a vehicle with a HID fitted,  but technically they should not be.  But as a lot of people want to fit HID kits (and understand why and agree with that) is to have a bike where the dipped beam is a single beam type either reflector or projector. And yes I get scatter on my bandit 1200 with its H7/reflector based setup, but as the reflector is design for a single beam bulb it has a lot less scatter than the H4 dual beam reflector of the fazer.

Your spots are nice, but don't seem to add that much extra light. Maybe they are better in real life.

I can turn the main light off on a pitch black country lane, because they are vastly superior to the std halogens on the fazer by a long way. The combined light output from those two spots is the same a single HID bulb, that's 1800 lumens.

Going back your comment about running HID in lo beam for years, the only way I could get a clean cut-off was to have a fixed HID bulb with a large baffle, eg -


And regarding fitting projection units to the foxeye fazer 600/1000 (see below),  and to a boxeye FZS600, as done here.

• Are you saying that the Fazer reflector has scatter such that it WILL fail an MOT if fitted with HID bulbs,
• I am afraid that the link you gave to your spots does not work very well. Do you have another one you can use?

• Yes, all reflectors based headlights in both bikes and cars.
• http://www.bikevis.com, but if you hunt around you might be able to find these elsewhere

Here are some pics of the spots on my fazer and my bandit -

Fazer:



Bandit 600 (w/projector based headlight)

Just the HID low beam -



just the LED spots -



HID + LEDs -



What drivers see, but despite this I still get idiots who don't see me - (the camera is incorrectly showing the glare, its not that bad to the naked eye)

• Bar ends are not original,
• Bars are renthal 758, should they have a brace on or not?

• The oem bar weights are quite heavy, so the 3rd party ones you have atm might not be heavy enough to dampen the vibes..
• They are thicker and more sturdy than stock, but beyond that I dont know.

• If your beam pattern has scatter, then changing the bulb will not change that.
• My personal experience is that fitting H4 bulbs (specifically H4-3 to retain full high low beam control) has proved to be the single most effective safety improvement I have made to any bike, ever. And since it can cost as little as £25 to try it, it is cheaper then buying a dayglo jacket or Sam Brown belt but has a much greater impact on your visibility.
• And since it can cost as little as £25 to try it, it is cheaper then buying a dayglo jacket or Sam Brown belt.
• Which LED spots and how much are they? a) Can they be removed easily? b) Can you pop a traditional tungsten or halogen H4 bulb back in if your MOT examiner is fussy? c) What are the beam patterns and d) are they certified for the fazer?

• The reflector is only certified and designed for the intensity and brightness of a halogen bulb, go putting a HID bulb in there that's 3x brighter will then highlight the limitations of the reflector - hence the scatter. This is technically an MOT failure and will potentially attract the attn. of the plod who could order a rectification notice.
• These telescopic bulbs are the worst of the bunch, the vast majority of telescopic hi/lo HID bulbs are constructed so poorly that the HI/LO positions are way out and the bulb itself wobbles all over the place.
• You can buy said jacket for £8-12 - http://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_cat/708/%28all;product_price;ASC;0-0;all%29/page_0/max_20
• The are a number of them on the market now, but the one I have were bought from http://www.bikevis.com, a) Yes, b) no they are sealed units and they have pass the last two MOT's as they are wired as Aux lights with a separate switch, c) mine are spots and I have them pointing down to enhance the DIP beam and d) they require no certification as aux/side lights, however its a good idea not to blind oncoming drivers with them which is the same as ANY spotlights.

What's wrong with the current one?

whats damaged on the current unit..?