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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: Capt on 04 July 2016, 11:39:05 am
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Hello Forum, wonder if you can save may aging eyes in searching, not been using my 2002 FZS 1000 for quite a few years, just wondering what's the best ST tyres out now? Got some Avons Storms bought back in 2010 that have been really good in terms of grip but need a new set so what do you recommend these days?
Thanks in advance.
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If you got on with the Avon Storms I would recommend the new Storm 3D-XM, I much prefer the way the bike handles on Storms than the equivalent Bridgestone's and they last about 10% longer too. I keep meaning to try Michelin Pilot Roads as a lot of folks on here like them but to be honest I just keep going back to the Avons as I get on with them really well.
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I've just put RoadSmart 3 on my Tiger Sport and they have been fab
My Fazer 1000 has Smart 2 on, as when I brought it. I will probably fit Smart 3 next time.
They were very good, wet and dry on the Tiger on our recent 2000 mile Alps trip and saved my arse when we hit a muddy patch one rainy day.
Bw
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Thanks, I bet a few others will get recommended. Next problem is a recommended dealer to fit them & not damage my rims. I live in the North West & last dealer has shut, any suggestions there?
Thanks again in advance.
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I have had RoadSmart 1 & 2's on my Gen 1 and will be going with the 3's in a weeks time. I had Pilot Road 1's which were great to about 2/3 worn and then felt shit. I have also had BT020's but they are old and replaced with the T30 now.
I used to use TST near warrington but they seem to have closed.
I am getting my new set at Hammer and Tongs in Warrington for its MOT.
This place in Liverpool are supposed to be good [size=78%]http://prtyres.com/ (http://prtyres.com/)[/size]
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The new road pilot streets are a brilliant bit o rubber.....had them on the work bike till the bastids stole it...
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Metzeler M5 sportecs
grippy enough for 1'50's around cadwell yet gave another 4k miles afterwards.
most S/T tyres are better than 99% of the riders that use them.
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Try Russ a Bolton Motorcycle Workshop, he does ride I'm ride out will buy the tyres for you or if you can buy cheaper you buy them and get them sent there. Russ is a top top bloke tell him Mick sent ya.
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Had a pair of Pilot Road 2's on them last time, PERFECT, need slipped/spun once in over 7k miles.
Fitted a new pair of Pilot Road 2's, from the shop to France and back, nicely scrubbed in and in torrential rain the whole way, never spun once. Great bits of rubber are the Pilot Roads.
Cheers
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Just got these prices from Tim at Hammer and Tongs
RoadSmart III are £245 inc VAT and fitting.
Pirelli Angel GT’s are £255 inc VAT and fitting plus £30 cash back offer.
Metz Z8 Interact are £225 inc VAT.
and Metz RoadTec 01’s(latest tyre…v Good) are £265 inc VAT & fitting plus £30 cash back offer.
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I used to favour PR2s. Never had any complaints, except they didn't last so long with mixed riding. I got through a summer pair in 4000 miles, front and rear, but most of that was 'spirited' riding. Now wondering about manufacturing dates on them, as they've actually been superseded for quite some time now, but if you find them within useable dates, not a bad tyre and will be cheap. I've now switched to PR4s, and once again, can't fault them so far. Not had a pair on long enough to really say about how well they last, but looking good at approx 3000 miles - still loads left. They've also done quite a bit of motorway work and haven't flattened off at all on the centre lines. Confidence inspiring in the worst of wet conditions too. Rode in pissing rain on twisty Alpine roads, mountain "goat tracks", motorways, the lot, and it occurs to me they didn't give me reason on a single occasion to even be thinking about how well they did, just got on with riding. Same in the dry at faster paces.
This of course doesn't mean that you will like them, but overall, with a few exceptions, reviews are usually pretty good on any of the Pilot Road series.
Can't comment on anything else, cos I haven't used anything else in recent years.
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Have you seen the deals at Bikespeed at the moment around £110 a pair. Not used them myself but if your on a budget.....?
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Have you seen the deals at Bikespeed at the moment around £110 a pair. Not used them myself but if your on a budget.....?
BikespeedUk are local to me, great guys and i normally pick up tyres and any other service items, always good to watch for deals. The go to some of the UK shows too and have deals on tyres there.
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I find the T30's to be brilliant.
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My favorite so far has been the Pilot Road 3's. I found them marginally better than the Pilot Road 2's in the wet, yet still gave a good ride in the dry. Couldn't fault them really.
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Thanks Forum all sorts now, thanks.
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Thanks Forum all sorts now, thanks.
So what did you go for in the end?
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Storm 3D-XM. Met a guy whilst waiting for my MOT on a 1200 bandit that carries roughly the same combined weight I do when the wife's on board. After 2K of heavy use they looked fine. Have been very impressed with the older Storm ST's in the past. Getting them fitted Monday.
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I find the T30's to be brilliant.
I agree, they are excellent tyres. I've done 10,000 klms on them so far and they still grip.
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Getting some Roadtec 01s fitted tomorrow. Looking forward to finding out if they live up to the hype.
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Getting some Roadtec 01s fitted tomorrow. Looking forward to finding out if they live up to the hype.
... and did they?
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From a personal standpoint.......yes :) .
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Anyone tried the conti sport attack 3's? Had them on my last fazer and they were sticky goodness! They are probably more sport than sports touring and I don't know what mileage they get as I only did about 3-4 thousand miles on them before selling the bike but for the grip they gave I think that's fairly good. Gunna need new tires for next summer and wondering what to go for
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Michelin PR4s on my Gen 1 thou.
Second set I've had fitted and find them spot on.
Quite sporty, good feel and last well too.
Over 8k on the back but it will need changing next Spring.
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Anyone tried the conti sport attack 3's? Had them on my last fazer and they were sticky goodness! They are probably more sport than sports touring and I don't know what mileage they get as I only did about 3-4 thousand miles on them before selling the bike but for the grip they gave I think that's fairly good. Gunna need new tires for next summer and wondering what to go for
Sports tires are a waste of money given they wear out much more quickly than Sports/Touring rubber. The fact that some (the majority / all?) of track day schools use Sports/Touring tires is a good indication that you don't need sports tires on the road or even track.
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just ordered a set of 3dxm storms from bikespeeduk.com for the cb13, they are doing any combination of a pair for 140 quid, had em on the last cb, perfectly good tyre for grunting about and last well
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Well, I got a pair of the Metzeler Roadtec 01 tyres fitted a few weeks ago and yeah, like them. The most remarkable thing about them is that they felt so good from mile zero - like, as soon as I put the wheels back on they felt planted with good grip. They did feel a little bit high (increased ride height) but that might have been my imagination. Or maybe my old tyres were flat, ha!
One thing I have found very nice is that they seem to complain in a very civilised manner when they're pushed hard. In a straight line under very heavy braking the front starts to slowly shimmy/weave when it's getting overloaded which puts a smile on my face. And coming out of corners the back also gives a little squirmy warning that says it thinks it's working hard enough, thanks.
So yeah, happy with them. Now if they'll just do 20,000 miles that would be great...
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Well, I got a pair of the Metzeler Roadtec 01 tyres fitted a few weeks ago and yeah, like them. The most remarkable thing about them is that they felt so good from mile zero - like, as soon as I put the wheels back on they felt planted with good grip. They did feel a little bit high (increased ride height) but that might have been my imagination. Or maybe my old tyres were flat, ha!
One thing I have found very nice is that they seem to complain in a very civilised manner when they're pushed hard. In a straight line under very heavy braking the front starts to slowly shimmy/weave when it's getting overloaded which puts a smile on my face. And coming out of corners the back also gives a little squirmy warning that says it thinks it's working hard enough, thanks.
So yeah, happy with them. Now if they'll just do 20,000 miles that would be great...
Good choice, I've been more than happy with mine. To get 20,000 miles from them will be a bit like Triggers broom. You'll only need 2 new fronts and 3 new rears. Or maybe 3 new fronts and 4 new rears depending on how sporty you are. The latter methinks :lol .
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I'm going to have to try some of these recommendations out of curiosity as only one person has said about the Bridgestone BT30's which I have on my Gen.1 Fazer, no Valentino Rossi but no slouch either and I can't fault them other than a little low on mileage. 4000 miles out of the 1st rear, now a 1000 miles into that and the front whilst not down to the limit it's getting fairly low and just moving a little on damp roads.
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Best tyres I’ve had are the angel st. I let my mate have a go of my bike and he got them fitted to his srad 750 a month later as he was so impressed
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Storm 3D-XM. Met a guy whilst waiting for my MOT on a 1200 bandit that carries roughly the same combined weight I do when the wife's on board. After 2K of heavy use they looked fine. Have been very impressed with the older Storm ST's in the past. Getting them fitted Monday.
just ordered a set of 3dxm storms from bikespeeduk.com for the cb13, they are doing any combination of a pair for 140 quid, had em on the last cb, perfectly good tyre for grunting about and last well
How are you guys getting with these, I ask because they are cheaper than any of the other big brands atm.
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Also regarding expiry dates, found this link but I now have more questions -
https://www.chapmoto.com/blog/2017/09/26/do-motorcycle-tires-expire-a-guide-to-tire-date-codes/ (https://www.chapmoto.com/blog/2017/09/26/do-motorcycle-tires-expire-a-guide-to-tire-date-codes/)
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Storm 3D-XM. Met a guy whilst waiting for my MOT on a 1200 bandit that carries roughly the same combined weight I do when the wife's on board. After 2K of heavy use they looked fine. Have been very impressed with the older Storm ST's in the past. Getting them fitted Monday.
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How are you guys getting with these, I ask because they are cheaper than any of the other big brands atm.
So far they have been excellent both two up & a 1000 mile scratch following boy racers on race bikes. I did the same trip 10 years ago on some Avon Azaros that had about 3K on them & where destroyed when I got back. The 3D’[size=78%]s are so solid under braking, rain & the centre header section has no signs of squaring off. Top tire.[/size]
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And how are they in the wet, as a few people online have complained about this and about 10yrs ago I tried Avons (cant remember the model) on my ZZR1200 and they were so bad I got them removed after 500 miles.
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I normally only do dry weather trips unless a weekend away comes up however, The 3D-XM’s worked well in the wet but I never tested the limit, they spun up quite easily over white lines in the wet in a straight line without hardly any throttle. Not sure if any others tyres wouldn’t.
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- The 3D-XM’s worked well in the wet but I never tested the limit,
- they spun up quite easily over white lines in the wet in a straight line without hardly any throttle.
- So would you say no oh F*** moments going around corners or leaning over in the wet?
- hmm, Ive not had a tyre do that in a very long time. And in the wet I am very gentle with the throttle and cant remember the last time that happened.
I might contact Avon and see if there is a time period that they can be returned if they arent suitable.
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Bridgestone Battlax BT021R on the rear and Bridgestone Battlax T30F on the front, love the combination of the two.
I had a BT021 on the front before and found that it feathered quite badly, and, it was a bit twitchy powering out of corners when the bike was riding high on the suspension, the T30F is a completely different beast, it inspires confidence.
The BT021 on the rear is fine, when powering out of fast bends the back hunkers down and is sure footed.
Only ever had Battlax tyres on my bike since returning to two wheels about 5 years ago.
The tyres i used many years ago were Dunlop TT100's, compared with modern tyres and compounds the TT100's were shite, lots of miles out of them but limited grip, quite hard rubber compound if I recall.
I guess most well known modern tyres are much of a muchness, it just down to rider preference.
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- The 3D-XM’s worked well in the wet but I never tested the limit,
- they spun up quite easily over white lines in the wet in a straight line without hardly any throttle.
- So would you say no oh F*** moments going around corners or leaning over in the wet?
- hmm, Ive not had a tyre do that in a very long time. And in the wet I am very gentle with the throttle and cant remember the last time that happened.
I might contact Avon and see if there is a time period that they can be returned if they arent suitable.
I’ve had about 4 sets of 3dxms they are very good in the wet, like any tyre if you take the piss with the throttle they will slip but they are my go to tyre. I’ve done a trackday on them as well on my gen 2, were great on a that too.
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The tyres i used many years ago were Dunlop TT100's, compared with modern tyres and compounds the TT100's were shite, lots of miles out of them but limited grip, quite hard rubber compound if I recall.
But the TT100s were reckoned to be the best tyre in their day. I forget what I had, but if the TT100s were shite, mine were suicidal :(
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TT100's were far better than the Avon skidmaster (Speedmaster). At that time possibly the best rear tyre was the Avon GP, certainly favoured by most Goldie owners.
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From a personal standpoint.......yes :) .
I agree - I have been trying the Metzler Roadtec 01s for a while & they are pricey but excellent & I find the mileage good.
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gotta say I don't like the feel of the avons anywhere near as much as the bridgestones on the fazer...especially in the cold or wet. Im hoping they are just taking a long while to bed in, otherwise they will be off and replaced. I aint risking my bike or my self for the cost of a pair off tyres so we'll see..
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it's a bit like asking a bunch of blokes what is a good lager to try or which wine they prefer, but my 2p's worth goes to Pilot road 4s, mine has these and they are faultless. i must admit, i favour Michelins on most bikes. same as i like Shoei over Arai. beer has to be Peroni. :)
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:agree PR4s on my Gen 1 and they are great.
Don't really do lager though..........but Old Speckled Hen, now then :woot
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My Avon storm 3dxms are nearly done after 4600 hard miles. 2mm left in the centre of the rear 2.5mm on the front. Only slipped once on a wet manhole at full throttle. I don’t think that’s bad for less than £150 a pair.
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The tyres i used many years ago were Dunlop TT100's, compared with modern tyres and compounds the TT100's were shite, lots of miles out of them but limited grip, quite hard rubber compound if I recall.
But the TT100s were reckoned to be the best tyre in their day. I forget what I had, but if the TT100s were shite, mine were suicidal :(
The main stay tyre of yesteryear were the Avon Speed Masters. The Speed Master rear tyre was not a profiled tyre at all, unlike all modern tyres, Its shape was almost square, so instead of rolling around the circumference of the profile as you went into a corner it ran up onto a fairly sharp angle, giving minimum contact with the road and also making it unstable as it tended to either want flop over one way or the other, it teetered on the edge.
I often wondered if that rear tyre was an intentional compromise, because motorcycle and sidecars were very popular years ago and as there was very little lean that tyre could be used back and front on the bike and also on the side car.
The front Avon Speed Master was a more profiled tyre with a almost linear unbroken circular tread pattern that did not do a good job of sweeping water away from its path, and therefore was not good in the wet. (OK in the dry)
Bridgestone when they first started importing into this country actually manufactured and imported motorcycles, before swapping to tyre manufacture, I used to try and get Bridgsetone right back then as they seemed the best option to me. But again compared with modern compounds they were not great.
1st Pic is a Bridgestone GTR 350cc Stroker twin
2nd Pic is a Bridgstone 50cc 2 stroke twin pot racer 14 gears and capable of around 75-80 mph and revved in excess of 18000 revs :eek
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Bridgestone T31 are a savage tyre , or the S21's
Both have excellent grip in wet and.dry riding
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Mate and i tried Angel ST's on the Fazer and they are Brilliant! both up to 7000 Miles with 3mm tread still front and rear, was going to try the GT's but i have a Gen 1 and 2 busa, one has the GT's and other ST's,
The GT's are too stiff a compound if you like letting go on the twisties so ST's for me....
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the avon 3dxms stayed on for 56 miles lol. They are a good touring/ summer tyre, or perhaps a good winter one too if you ride hard..I don't this time of year. Which means they just don't get enough heat in them for me. so ive put bridgestones back on the cb, and if anybody wants the avons with genuinely less than 100 miles on them, seventy quid collected gets them. If ive still got them come april, i'll stick them on the fazer for me and dynspuds run to france, I'm guessing they would be perfect for that..
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Bridgestone T31 are a savage tyre , or the S21's
Both have excellent grip in wet and.dry riding
T31 on the front end and BT021 on the rear, works well for me, had a BT021F on the front did not like that if felt a bit skittish powering out of corners, plus it started feathering on the edges.
Anyone tell me as I have not found one yet, is the a bikes for sale section on the site?
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the avon 3dxms stayed on for 56 miles lol. They are a good touring/ summer tyre, or perhaps a good winter one too if you ride hard..I don't this time of year. Which means they just don't get enough heat in them for me. so ive put bridgestones back on the cb, and if anybody wants the avons with genuinely less than 100 miles on them, seventy quid collected gets them. If ive still got them come april, i'll stick them on the fazer for me and dynspuds run to france, I'm guessing they would be perfect for that..
I’ll have them off you please. I’ll send a pm
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pmd back mate...a feller on the cb13 forum had em two hour ago..sorry dude :o
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Just picked up a set of Pirelli Angel GT’s. profile on the rear is very flat. Is the harder A grade tyre
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Just got back from the Isle of Man. It was raining slightly when they made the mountain one-way which meant less traffic up there. The Metzeler Roadtec 01s were really superb - I had enough confidence to push on almost like it was dry. In fact it was the wind that made me shit my pants - just after Windy Corner there's some sweeping left-handers and I drifted out to the right to get a good line round there and the wind caught me and pushed me toward some unplanned off-roading...
On the 450 mile trip back form Liverpool it was torrential, really, really bad. But again, the Roadtecs were great. Yeah, nothing bad to say about them.
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Angel gts on this bike. Decent but not as soft and sticky as the st I had on my tracer
Rear will be done in a thousand miles so I’m going for an m7rr
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I just ordered a pair of Pirelli diablos..£119 !! on e bay from demon tweaks...for that money they can be made of wood..I don't care
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Just off to get a new front Metz Road Tech 01, £128 fitted to a loose wheel. Need it in a hurry so can't shop about.
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I'm on my second set of Metzler Sportec M7RRs on the 1000, great all rounder, was pleasantly surprised by the wear levels of the first set