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Rear wheel roller bearing help
« on: 16 January 2020, 09:19:35 pm »
Wheels are away at the powder coaters, and will be ordering the replacement bearings from Marksman. As the roller bearing is described as sealed, I am presuming an oe type seal is not required. With regard to installation, would leaving it in the freezer for an hour be sufficient to locate it, or should I be prepared to make a press with some studding and washers to persuade it to fit. Thanks in advance for any advice and suggestions

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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #1 on: 16 January 2020, 09:27:26 pm »
I seem to recall I froze the new bearing and used the old bearing as a drift to drive it in to place.

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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #2 on: 17 January 2020, 03:50:06 pm »
i have done this a few times i have a press now so its very easy , but before i did the above froze the bearing and heated the wheel up

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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #3 on: 17 January 2020, 08:29:58 pm »
I was thinking of making a press by getting a disc of metal cut to the outside diameter of the bearing. Drilling a hole in the centre and using a length of studding a couple of nuts and a length of bar to go across the opposite side of the hub. Got a few days to think about it whilst the powder coater performs his magic. Thanks for the suggestions.
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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #4 on: 17 January 2020, 08:47:05 pm »
I was thinking of making a press by getting a disc of metal cut to the outside diameter of the bearing. Drilling a hole in the centre and using a length of studding a couple of nuts and a length of bar to go across the opposite side of the hub. Got a few days to think about it whilst the powder coater performs his magic. Thanks for the suggestions.


Cant you use a socket on the OD instead of have a disc made?

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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #5 on: 19 January 2020, 05:54:08 pm »
I got a Chinese bearing kit ofn ebay for peanuts, so far has done evertything from me bike to the transit, very simple and basic looking but so worth it mate

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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #6 on: 19 January 2020, 06:18:04 pm »
Hi ogri, The kit you suggested, is this the one with a set of various sized discs with a lip on them, and 2 or 3 handles that fit to the discs. That's the type I was thinking of, even if just to use the large 42mm diameter disc and some studding. The roller cage seems quite delicate so want to press it in rather than tap it in. The cage lip broke very easily when I removed the old bearing. Thanks for the suggestion :thumbup
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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #7 on: 19 January 2020, 08:34:30 pm »
sounds like it...im out in the garage in a bit mate, i'll take a photo, put it up later tonight. feels so much better winding the buggers in than knocking them with a socket or summat, and you aint gotta worry about damaging the dust seal on a normal bearing or the this cage of the needle roller bearing. studding/long threaded bar is cheap enough ..got mine from travis perkins, means you can do swingarm bearings too

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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #8 on: 19 January 2020, 08:36:54 pm »
You'd be suprised how little a local garage will charge to press these in,the last time I had them done one of the mechanics did it in his dinner hour for a drink,I gave him £15 but he'd only take a tenner,worth a try 'cause those presses are so easy to do the job. :thumbup
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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #9 on: 19 January 2020, 10:30:24 pm »
true enough coffee. I guess you gotta weigh up how much use youll get out of what you spend, and see if its worth it. the big bearing set, plus blind bearing pullers and a length of threaded bar cost me sixty quid all in, and between them you can cobble summat up for anything

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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #10 on: 20 January 2020, 10:12:48 am »
Have ordered as set similar to the discs in the red box pic. It only contains 14 various sized discs and the necessary handles, but only cost a tenner though. It would have cost me more than that to have a 42mm disc cut at a local fabricators. Thanks for posting the pics ogri. :thumbup


I get what you're saying coffee, but in my neck of the woods helpful little garages just don't exist anymore. I got my fingers, well wallet actually, burnt a few years back when a local engineering works charged me 35 quid to tap a thread in the ends of my Renthals. Turns out workshop time is 70 quid an hour, minimum charge half an hour. Could have bought a tap and done it myself and saved some cash.
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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #11 on: 20 January 2020, 02:44:21 pm »
nicely done robbo. once youve got the basics you can cobble summat up for most jobs. the blind bearing puller set wasn't quite such a bargain but its all a hell of a lot cheaper than stuff like this used to be, and quality is pretty bloody good, its certainly sturdy which is all you need. If you need to borrow the blind bearing puller to do em all ill post it out mate, you can send it back when youve done. its satisfying doing it yourself Anyhoo.

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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #12 on: 20 January 2020, 05:32:35 pm »
Thanks for the offer ogri, much appreciated :thumbup .The bearings are out and the wheels away at the powder coaters now. Getting the roller bearing out was'nt pretty, and I had to resort to using the Dremel. Not my usual style  :lol  but needs must. Years ago my local branch of the Triumph Owners had a tool loan arrangement, so between the group we had access all the necessary extractors and specialist tools to cover any job on a loan and return basis.
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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #13 on: 20 January 2020, 07:23:06 pm »
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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #14 on: 20 January 2020, 09:30:47 pm »
Have ordered as set similar to the discs in the red box pic. It only contains 14 various sized discs and the necessary handles, but only cost a tenner though. It would have cost me more than that to have a 42mm disc cut at a local fabricators. Thanks for posting the pics ogri. :thumbup


I get what you're saying coffee, but in my neck of the woods helpful little garages just don't exist anymore. I got my fingers, well wallet actually, burnt a few years back when a local engineering works charged me 35 quid to tap a thread in the ends of my Renthals. Turns out workshop time is 70 quid an hour, minimum charge half an hour. Could have bought a tap and done it myself and saved some cash.






'kin hell,honestly there are at least 3 on one industrial estate by us who would do a press job as a favour outside work hrs but if your talking about dealers garages you've got no chance,I went into one to blow up a tyre once,I only wanted to borrow their air line you'd have thought I'd asked for the use of a ramp!! fuckin' wankers . :\
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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #15 on: 21 January 2020, 10:10:12 am »
lol I had a throttle cable on the Harley break in Norwich city centre, so rode it on a raised tickover to the massive lind Harley Davidson shop only to be told 'ooh no we dont do spares, only accessories...cant even get one in for a old bike like that. Would you like a new bike? we have some really attractive pcp deals...' :lol

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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #16 on: 21 January 2020, 10:48:45 am »
Arrived today, £10.99. If I use it once and have to throw it away, which I don't think I'll have to, I'd be happy. Just need the phonecall from the powder coater guy to say the wheels are ready, and for the bearings to arrive. Then I should be cookin'. Thanks again all for your hints, tips and suggestions, much appreciated as always :thumbup .
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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #17 on: 21 January 2020, 11:11:34 am »
Where are you getting your wheels powder coated and what colour?


Took mine to a local powder coaters last week and wasn't impressed with the results. Have now taken them to Triple S in Bingley, who specialise in bike stuff, but now having to pay extra to have the first coating chemically removed. I suppose that's what happens when you try to do things on the cheap - end up paying twice as much. Lesson learned for me (probably).
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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #18 on: 21 January 2020, 12:56:51 pm »
Gloss black at a local firm. They are not a dedicated bike part company, but established in 1947 and have done small parts for me in the past which I've been happy with. I've seen car wheels that they've done which looked ok, but I should find out by the end of the week. I do get what you're saying though, buy cheap, buy twice. Can only keep my fingers crossed. :)
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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #19 on: 21 January 2020, 01:16:54 pm »
Arrived today, £10.99. If I use it once and have to throw it away, which I don't think I'll have to, I'd be happy. Just need the phonecall from the powder coater guy to say the wheels are ready, and for the bearings to arrive. Then I should be cookin'. Thanks again all for your hints, tips and suggestions, much appreciated as always :thumbup .

jesus what a bargain huh! ive paid more for spark plugs :) :thumbup

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« Reply #20 on: 21 January 2020, 02:23:58 pm »
Gloss black at a local firm. They are not a dedicated bike part company, but established in 1947 and have done small parts for me in the past which I've been happy with. I've seen car wheels that they've done which looked ok, but I should find out by the end of the week. I do get what you're saying though, buy cheap, buy twice. Can only keep my fingers crossed. :)


I went for satin black - the gloss black just looked a bit too shiny.


The local firm I used were well established and do a lot of industrial stuff and car stuff (wheels, racing car chasis etc). They have also done bike wheels before, but not many. They didn't get the masking right at all - missed bits that should have been coated (outside face of the bearing holes) and coated stuff that shouldn't (disc/sprocket mounting faces), even though I gave them clear instructions. Also looked like they hadn't cleaned them off properly after blasting - particularly on the inside of the rim where the tyre bead sits. Only paid £100, but cost me an extra £60 to get them stripped by Triple S, so a £160 mistake in total.


Hope you have a better experience than me - let us know when you get them back.
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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #21 on: 21 January 2020, 04:30:10 pm »
I know how you feel. At times you wish you could do everything yourself when so called professionals let you down. The firm I'm using have done bike wheels before as my mechanic mate has used them for his own bike. I'm paying 100+vat, so £120. It's a pity you can't mask them yourself, which obviously, you can't.
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« Reply #22 on: 21 January 2020, 06:56:13 pm »
im doing me own...I aint got the means to do powdercoating but auto paint suppliers will pre mix two pack in a rattle can...you obviously got to be prepped and ready to straight away coz its curing from the moment its mixed. The good thing with wheels is you know exactly whats got to be painted so you can mask up yourself, then put the whhels on a round bar to act like a long spindle between two trestles then spin the buggers as you spray, getting a nice even coat. last tim I didn't even bother to take the tyres off, just popped them back off the bead and masked in between the rubber and the wheel. its not as good as powdercoating, but im totally had it with people you pay good money for a good job then they dont do it. What finished it for me was having a pair powdercoated green for my zx9rb1, then because they hadnt done whatecer they should have done to prep for powdercoating, the paint 'shelled' when I was changing tyres, despite having plastic bead protectors between te levers and the rim. if you paint it yourself in two pack (or even cellulose) its easy enogh to repair the odd patch if you need to. just all imho obviously, and im a brickie so what the foc do I know … :) :)

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« Reply #23 on: 21 January 2020, 10:24:20 pm »
Yep, I agree with all of that. I would have sprayed them myself thus saving the bearing grief and tyre removal, but I don't have anywhere warm enough to spray in, and I wanted the work done in time for April when the Fazer goes back on the road. A guy that I would have trusted to spray them has mysteriously gone under the radar for whatever reason, so powder coating was for me the only option. I must admit I'm dreading taking them for the tyres to be fitted. :eek
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Re: Rear wheel roller bearing help
« Reply #24 on: 25 January 2020, 08:38:34 am »
Wheels back from powder coaters. Reasonably happy with the result for the price paid. The masking was a bit hit and miss but nothing the Dremel and a Stanley blade couldn't sort out. I can see that it's difficult to keep the masking in place to cover the vertical lip that locates the disc. I've an idea that dedicated bike powder places have plugs that push into the threaded hole, and have a shoulder moulded on them which masks the area around the hole and the lip.
I've ordered tyres from Oponeo, never used them before, sticking with the Roadtec 01's. All being well the bike should be back on its wheels by the end of the week.
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