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General / Re: Engine scrap value?
« on: 08 December 2017, 08:15:18 AM »

I guess it depends which is nearer.
When I scrapped a knackered Fiat Uno a few years ago I was handed £1.61 for the value of the metal!
If the cases are stripped bare and you can offer the dealer separate piles of aluminium and steel then you might get a few quid.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Starting/Running Issues
« on: 07 December 2017, 10:42:16 PM »

(Apologies Disorderlypunk, I didn’t notice you’d already made the point about the drain hole.)

The innards of the silencer are mild steel and rot through at the base so the gases can blow out of the gap around the pipe where it enters the stainless can. You may be able to bodge it by squishing in as much high temperature silicone sealant as possible. I got a couple of extra years life out of mine that way.
Having said that, I doubt it’s the cause of your running issue which sounds much more like an electrical problem to me.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Starting/Running Issues
« on: 07 December 2017, 08:24:28 PM »
Note that there is meant to be a drain hole at the bottom of the exhaust can. It’s there to drain condensation out.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Starting/Running Issues
« on: 06 December 2017, 10:10:05 PM »
I was going to suggest changing the plug caps for NGK SD05F ones as the originals tend to break down and cause misfiring, but looking at your photo it seems rather non-standard… is that a coil-on-plug mod?

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cold starting
« on: 06 December 2017, 12:28:10 AM »

That the fuel pump runs a lot is a bit puzzling. There are plenty of reasons that it would do that, but I can’t think of one that is consistent with the engine running fine once you’ve persuaded it to start. If fuel delivery is inadequate then you’d expect the engine to struggle when underway. Likewise, if the pump’s running because a carb is flooding, you’d find it running on 3 cylinders at low revs and lousy fuel economy.

As Darrsi says, carb icing isn’t likely to be the cause… it takes several minutes to build up enough ice to block the jets.

A weak spark could be the cause of the engine dying. The first thing that happens when the engine fires up is expose a cold spark plug to a lot of steam, so you get some condensation which can cause the next spark to track across the surface if it’s a bit feeble. The engine then dies and when the starter motor has turned the engine over enough to blow the dampness away, the plugs have retained a bit of warmth so the next time it fires the condensation isn’t bad enough to kill further sparks.
Trim the HT leads by 8mm and fit new NGK SD05F plug caps if that’s not already been done.

General / Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« on: 05 December 2017, 09:40:30 PM »
Made sure the Fazer was fully covered before using the angle grinder on a steel item in the vice.
This is always a useful precaution unless you happen to like the look of tiny rust spots on items nearby.
Likewise, don't expect the burning steel sparks to bounce harmlessly off your patio doors, they stick to glass and each melts a tiny little pit. :'(

>edit< Sorry Tommy, didn't read back far enough to see you'd already covered this!

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Cold starting
« on: 01 December 2017, 05:23:25 PM »

Once the temperature gets close to freezing I find mine needs a bit of choke.
Are you thumbing the starter as soon as the ignition’s on or do you wait for the carbs to fill (i.e. when the pump stops running)?

I’ve got one of these on my bike, they’re a steal at that price.

I’d recommend contacting the supplier first to get the measurement of the cable on the reg/rect unit before buying. I got with one that had such a short cable it couldn’t be plugged in, despite it being advertised as suitable for the FZS600.

General / Re: The 2017 FOC-U Bike Picture Challenge
« on: 28 November 2017, 10:59:54 AM »

Having made the suggestion that we stick to the rules, I’m not accepting a win for this round on the basis of a photo that didn’t meet the requirements three rounds ago.  :rollin
Definitely your choice for the next challenge Red98.

General / Re: The 2017 FOC-U Bike Picture Challenge
« on: 27 November 2017, 09:28:07 PM »

Well, if that’s your bike (and I suspect not), you’ve won.
Otherwise, your lad had better pick the next round. Just point out that the first rule of the picture challenge is “YOUR bike and…” .  :)

FZS600 Fazer / Re: What are my rear shock options ?
« on: 25 November 2017, 02:09:41 PM »
Kebab can you please take a look at this ad, never mind the text, just skim through the pictures and tell me if this fits on my fazer? It's from a 06-07 R6.

No, that's the earlier model. It won't fit.
See Devilsyam's post for details of how to spot the difference.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: What are my rear shock options ?
« on: 24 November 2017, 02:34:21 PM »

It would be nice to hear from riders with the R6 shock and have their opinions.
If the R6 route works for you you can save a fortune
Come on R6 brigade lets know your experiences.
I fitted the R6 shock earlier this year.
There was some improvement in the ride, but I can't say it was a dramatic one.
I am quite sure that I am the problem though, I'm simply not good enough a rider to understand what I'm feeling and make a change to the appropriate adjuster. Apart from getting the sag right all I've done is centre everything and, as that felt a bit harsh on the pot-holed and poorly repaired roads round me, backed off the three damping controls a bit.
So far, I've not had the time to work out how to get the best out of it by experimenting.
If anyone can link to (or write) an idiot's guide to setting up your R6 shock, then that would probably be a big help... particularly for those who've tried the R6 shock and gone back to the OE unit.

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 22 November 2017, 12:14:13 AM »
Foccers who make off-topic posts. :pokefun

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Replacing Rear brake disc
« on: 20 November 2017, 05:12:25 PM »

if the wheel isnt off yet hit the bolts with some plus gas every day for a few days while your waiting for the new disc

if you aint got a welder but have a blowtorch get some heat on those bolts then hit them with some plus gas /wd40 / thin oil and let them cool
and give them a good whack with a hammer to shock them (every little helps)

there is also the candle wax trick but hardly anyone has candles anymore
then its time to get out the shortest socket you have and a breaker bar - those fuckers are tighter than a ducks arse but not as waterproof

I wouldn't really do this if the bike's still being used, otherwise it's all gonna get rather dangerous with oil on the disc and pads!
The best place to squirt the Plusgas is to aim inside the hub where the open ends of the threaded holes are so it should be possible to keep it off the disc and pads. Spraying the heads of the screws won't get it where it's needed so it won't have much effect (other than on your braking, as you suggest).

I too need to get a disc off, Fortunately it's my spare wheel, but it's an original disc. I made one attempt earlier this year: liberal application of penetrating oil for weeks, warming the whole wheel over a gas ring until it was at 90º and then I attacked with the impact driver. Other than destroying the allen heads it achieved nothing.  :'(

I'll use the welder method next time.
My preference is to use Copaslip rather than threadlock on reassembly!

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Replacing Rear brake disc
« on: 20 November 2017, 12:40:40 PM »

Hi all
First I need a new rear brake discs on the advice of my mot Any recommendations,up to £80 is my limit How easy is it to do yourself
I've had 2nd hand ones and a new OEM in the past… the real difficulty is removal of the old one.
The screws corrode and the threadlock cures until it's up to full superglue strength. They are almost impossible to extract without them shearing. I've found that welding a bar to the head dumps enough heat in and gives the leverage needed to undo them, but the screws are obviously not reusable after that. So budget for some replacement screws and maybe some mechanics time if you don't have the equipment yourself.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Bike doesn't turn on / no lights
« on: 19 November 2017, 11:38:45 AM »

According to the wiring diagram for the 02 model, the ignition fuse is 20A.

It doesn’t look to me as if water was involved: that plug carries power for almost everything, including the headlights, so the currents are quite high. If the connection is not making very tight contact this will result in overheating.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Bike doesn't turn on / no lights
« on: 18 November 2017, 09:05:31 AM »

Check the connector bundle in the plastic box under the tank for one that’s showing signs of getting hot.
Examine the wires at the base of the ignition switch itself, they have to flex with steering movement so it’s a common place to get a breakage.

General / Re: Today's "What Gets My Goat"
« on: 02 November 2017, 01:43:46 PM »
Bikes that look like Transformers.  :lol

Front page / Re: Foccin' Tapatalk
« on: 01 November 2017, 10:57:26 AM »
that looks all greek to me!!
Russian spam bot. I'd not try clicking on the links.

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Stuck rear calipers
« on: 31 October 2017, 06:11:28 PM »

Chances are it's still on the original seals and if pistons are sticking it's pretty certain the seals are buggered. Unless you're pressed for time it's worth doing the job properly.

Use a clamp to hold the less-jammed piston while you use the brake pedal to force the stuck one out.
You might want to buy a piston removal tool to wriggle the other one out.
Alternatively you can split the calliper which does make cleaning easier, though that's another seal to buy.
Strip out the old seals and replace with new (OEM).
The pistons are heavily chromed and often clean up OK. While there may be some pitting, so long as it is outside the area that contacts the seals you won't need to replace.

Duck oil, WD40, GT85 whatever your favourite water displacement fluid is… they're all basically the same stuff i.e petroleum distillates. Stick to brake cleaner or isopropanol and red rubber grease.

General / Re: The 2017 FOC-U Bike Picture Challenge
« on: 24 October 2017, 02:17:03 PM »
That looks a Retro / Timeless photo, with the faired Fazer on the left and quite retro building to the right.
Plus looking quite deserted, no-one else around. Convert photo to Black & White, with a little Sepia, in Photoshop, plus erase out the Vauxhall !  8) :lol ...
Sepia I can do... replacing the car with the canteen entrance it has obscured is more of a challenge.  :lol

General / Re: The 2017 FOC-U Bike Picture Challenge
« on: 24 October 2017, 09:23:51 AM »

It doesn’t count as it was taken in May 2013, but this is mine in a scenery storage shed on the ring road at Television Centre.
TVC had closed a few months earlier, but as the nerve centre for much of the broadcast chain a lot of equipment remained in service until the end of November together with a few engineers to operate it. And one to maintain it.
In fact, once the equipment was decommissioned they couldn’t find a room elsewhere for the maintenance engineer, so they all left and I remained in the virtually deserted building until September 2014. I loved it.
After that it was demolished and redeveloped as hotel, office and retail space and hundreds of overpriced apartments, just 3 studios remain. :'(

next challenge.......YOUR FAZER AT YOUR PLACE OF WORK.....

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Rear Hugger Question!
« on: 23 October 2017, 09:14:32 AM »
Since then I have actually cut the hugger down and made it into a fancy chain guard, third picture.
I cut it down just simply because I wanted a slightly different look not because there was anything wrong with the hugger.     
I don’t see the original rubber flap behind the shock, aren’t you exposing it to a lot of road crap now you’ve cut the hugger off?

General / Re: Bennetts Renewal Breath of Fresh Air
« on: 22 October 2017, 10:29:06 PM »
Just had my renewal from Bennetts: no changes in mine or the bike’s circumstances… last year £89, this year £104, a 17% increase.
Bikesure have quoted £87, so I’ll be with them for 12 months and then will doubtless switch provider again. :rolleyes

FZS600 Fazer / Re: Battery keeps dying
« on: 19 October 2017, 04:19:56 PM »

There are three possibilities:
1. As already suggested, something’s draining it while parked.
2. You bought faulty batteries (it happens).
3. There’s a fault in the charging circuit.

It’s hard to guess which of these is the problem until you get a voltmeter across the battery and take some readings with the bike off and then with the engine running.

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