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Introduction / Re: hi from enfield
« on: Today at 06:59:57 PM »

Welcome.
That’s rather a “how long is a piece of string?” sort of question. Mileage is low, but even that figure puts a lot of people off. Beyond that, condition is everything... from the information supplied, it sounds like it might be poorly looked after and possibly with damage to the casings and generator.
It may have had loads of TLC and been maintained regardless of cost, but your description puts it in barge-pole territory for the moment.

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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: sudden brake failure
« on: 15 August 2017, 05:08:40 PM »
Perhaps the spring is unable to push the master piston back reliably, did you replace it as well as the seals?
Otherwise it could be wear on the cylinder bore causing the piston to jam occasionally.

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General / Re: Brake Discs and pads replacements
« on: 14 August 2017, 05:17:16 PM »
Unfazed, did you try the X-lites with GG pads? I too had a horrible time with sintered, but have been using them with EBC’s organic pads since and am very happy with the braking.
Do you not find those pads to be quite dusty?
They are, but that doesn't bother me much. Reduced disc wear at the expense of the bike being a bit grubbier seems good trade-off even without the improved braking performance.

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General / Re: Brake Discs and pads replacements
« on: 14 August 2017, 05:02:35 PM »
Unfazed, did you try the X-lites with GG pads? I too had a horrible time with sintered, but have been using them with EBC’s organic pads since and am very happy with the braking.

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The Laboratory ! / Re: Flickr test because fuck Photobucket.
« on: 09 August 2017, 07:22:31 PM »





To do this from Flickr is a PITA as they don’t (so far as I recall) provide a direct link to the file. I hunted around in the source code to find the address to that small version of the pic itself.


I prefer Postimage as they give a bunch of links to suit various purposes when you upload a pic. Just copy the “direct” link







... and paste that in the window when you click on the foc-u “Insert image” button.



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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Problems at high speeds.
« on: 08 August 2017, 08:06:29 PM »
The bracket's right there a couple of inches away.  :lol



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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Clutch slip
« on: 08 August 2017, 12:54:24 PM »
...
Whipped the clutch cover off again this morning, tried the pressure plate in a few different ways but it didn't seem to make any difference. Looking at either side of the plate is seems to be symmetrical and I couldn't see any difference in fitting.
...

If you look closely at the pressure plate you'll see the pegs around the edge that slot into the splines have an uneven relationship with the spring holes such that there are only 2 out of 6 ways to get it in right.
Another common problem when working on the clutch is that the ball bearing that sits on the end of the push-rod can drop out making adjustment impossible. (Though if your clutch is slipping that doesn't sound like that is your problem.)

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Glad you're OK!
I'd patch it up back to something like standard. There are aftermarket pattern fairings available for £145 on ebay, though they are unpainted. Most other bits you should be able to pick up fairly cheaply 2nd hand.
But if you don't have the space/time/enthusiasm to do the work, flog it as is and get something newer.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: How does the ignition advance work?
« on: 08 August 2017, 12:18:02 PM »

The wires are as follows on the Sensors:
L/Y is the positive feed
W is the signal output to the Ignitor, the Speedo and Odometer from the Speed sensor
B/L is the earth fed from the ignitor.
W/R is the signal output to the ignitor from the pick-up
Y is the signal output from the TPs to the ignitor
L is power from the ignitor
Speed sensor pulses over either 12mph (20 Kph) are not used by the ignitor as all timing timing above that road speed is controled by the TPS angle and engine speed.
Good work!
I'd realised the power and signal wires for the speedo must be the other way round from my initial guess since the ignition must be aware of the pulses in order to produce the 4000rpm fault warning on the tacho. (Though why you'd notice that, but not a dead or erratic speedo reading is a puzzle.)
So what is the purpose of the low-speed adjustment to ignition timing? Does retarding it slightly improve rideabilty or something? Perhaps that would be why I'd not noticed any effect since most of my commute is well above 12 mph.
It does raise the question of whether dyno test results are invalid since most seem to involve the front wheel being firmly clamped. Perhaps those who've tried and failed to get decent results with rejetting for pod filters have fallen foul of this?

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: How does the ignition advance work?
« on: 07 August 2017, 01:50:40 PM »
Generally the Speed Sensor and TPS control the advance of the timing. When the engine is revved, but bike is not moving the timing variation is different as to what it would be when under load hence the requirement of the speed sensor, TPS and the rev counter to work together. The timing changes depending on the TPS position when not moving but has a different setting when at the same throttle position but on the move and the revs and speed are up. The would changes the torques levels also by varying the timing as a given speed throttle position, engine revs and speed. The system in the fazer is basic compared to the later systems in bikes and cars since it has carburettors and it cannot change the fueling.
Newer designed systems for fuel injected engines can vary the timing and fueling dependent on throttle position, vehicle speed, engine revs, air flow, temperature and a few others. The torque levels can be varied by the advance or retard of the ignition and fueling depending on the values detected from all  sensors.
The reason Fazerider probable noticed no difference was that signal stopped because the rotor broke and it would appear to the ignitor that the bike was not being ridden. If the cable was cut then the ignitor would see it and throw up an error signal to the Rev Counter, however an intermittent fault to the cable could cause a misfire or rough running due to the constant variation of the timing the same as worn tracks on the TPS does.

Hope that makes sense  :rolleyes

Well, not to me. If the revs are high and the TPS sees a small opening angle then the ignition controller knows the load on the engine is low.
Conversely, if you're thrashing up through the gears at max throttle, why would ignition advance need to be different in 6th as opposed to 2nd gear? If the Fazer employed a ram-air system to pressurise the airbox it might make some kind of sense (though not as much as having an air mass sensor), but the intake is from a zone of still air.
I’ve had two issues with the speed sensor. The first was when the sensor itself died and  the speedo registered 0 mph at all speeds. The second was when a clumsy mis-routing of the cable caused it to rub against the brake rotor bolts and the speedo needle randomly jumped around from endstop to endstop.  I didn’t experience any change in engine behaviour on either occasion.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Oil sight glass change
« on: 07 August 2017, 01:12:03 PM »
Just to correct an error, the sight glass is listed as a spare part  4H7-15361-00,

You could always drop the sump as you should be able to clean it from there.
If it is that bad it might be worth cleaning the sump pan and pick up screen while you at it..
I stand corrected. Forgot the sight glass was mounted on the crankcase rather than the cover so looked in the wrong place on AJ Sutton's website!
I also can't swear as to whether I cleaned it via the side with the clutch removed or from underneath when I had the sump off.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Oil sight glass change
« on: 07 August 2017, 09:07:50 AM »
You may be able to improve it by taking the cover off and cleaning the inside of the glass with a cotton bud soaked in brake cleaner. It helped with mine anyway.
So far as I could tell, the glass isn't designed to be removable, nor is it sold separately from the cover.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: How does the ignition advance work?
« on: 05 August 2017, 10:14:41 PM »

The common Black/Blue wire is almost certainly ground (easy enough to test).
In which case the White/Red from the engine pickup (14) is the crank position pulse.
After that it’s guesswork: the Blue and Yellow ones to the TPS (15) will be a positive supply (probably 12v via a resistance) and the return voltage from the wiper of the potentiometer in the TPS, but you’d need to do some measurements to find out which is which.
The Blue/Yellow wire from the speedo (17) looks like it probably carries the pulses from what I assume is a Hall Effect sensor which detects the magnetic poles from the plastic rotor. Which would leave the White one as a supply rail which may be 12V, or less, or they could be the other way round.
I don’t fully understand the role of the speed sensor, I’ve had it fail and not noticed any adverse effect on running, but many say otherwise. Ignition advance required can be determined from the engine revs and the TPS, I can’t see why road speed would need to be taken into account.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Clutch slip
« on: 05 August 2017, 09:41:50 PM »

I hope you didn’t make the standard error of putting the pressure plate on wrong, but the symptoms point that way..
It seems easy to get it slotted on and the screws go in OK, but if you’re unlucky it’s not actually on the correct way… tighten the screws up and they break the bottom of the wells the springs live in and you get no pressure to the plates. The plate needs to go on such that when gentle pressure is applied by hand, the plates are squeezed. If you’re able to wiggle them while pressing on the plate, take the it off and rotate it a sixth of a turn then try again.

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General / Re: Electric bike
« on: 04 August 2017, 08:29:22 AM »

The big drawback,as I see it, preventing long term strategic & coherent planning re energy, health & social services,etc etc is that we "elect" a party who are in power for the short term(4-5 years) between elections.
There is no doubt that we all now face unprecedented problems re overcrowding, diminishing air "quality", increased demand/competition for finite resources and global warming. I see no signs that our present bunch of politicians have any idea what to do about the really important issues that affect all of us & more so our children & grand children.
Whatever happened to the hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicles that Honda trialled in California? These required liquid hydrogen as power source & the only exhaust was water vapour resulting from this clean burn vehicle? Could this be a way forward?
I agree that we are probably going to be the last generation to enjoy hydrocarbon burning personal transport-the age of the autonomous vehicle is almost here & the oil reserves are being consumed at ever increasing rate as the East embraces the internal combustion engine the same way we in the West did in the last century. Electricity is a wonderful energy provider but lets not forget the hidden costs/side effects of generating it. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in our universe.
Hydrogen is bulky and difficult to store and there isn't a supply of it that doesn't need a base stock of an existing combustable such as ethanol or natural gas... or a lot of electricity to split water into its constituents.

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General / Re: Electric bike
« on: 03 August 2017, 11:52:07 PM »
Burning gas in a power station is cleaner, and using it to subsequently power a motor car is more efficient.
I accept it's cleaner, but it's not much more efficient.
Generation and transmission losses mean only about 33% of the energy in the gas appears as electricity by the time it reaches the end user. On top of that you have battery efficiency of about 80% and a motor efficiency of about 90%... overall that gets the figure below 24% efficiency, compared with about 20% for a petrol engine.
Electric vehicles can result in less CO2 being emitted, but that's more through a reduction in performance than anything else. The main advantage is an improvement in air quality in cities because the fumes are emitted elsewhere.

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General / Re: Electric bike
« on: 02 August 2017, 10:44:57 PM »

Looking at Zero Motorcycles website it seems they’re at the stage where an electric bike would just about cope with my commute. But £19k for something capable of being ridden at motorway speeds for 100 miles seems a bit steep, particularly when it then needs many hours of charging.
Battery capacity of 16.3 kWh = 58.7 MJ = 1.25 litres of petrol.

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Not the classic pinched breather hose is it?

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General / Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« on: 31 July 2017, 06:34:39 PM »

Arse! Dropped it this morning when putting it on the centrestand.
The surface was sloping away from me which always makes it awkward, full tank of fuel too making it a bit more top heavy. By the time I realised it was going over there was foc all I could do about it.
RH mirror snapped off and indicator pushed through the fairing, plus a scrape to the tank. Plus something in my back gave a twinge so doubtless I'll be feeling that properly tomorrow. :'(

Bludy hell yiur about the 3rd foccer to have dropped their bike on as many weeks. Think I might leave mine in the garage for a week. Not to mention the price of mirrors and indicators is gonna go through the roof haha

Joking aside I hope ya get it sorted and aren't too broken in the morning 👍

It was just a moment's carelessness this morning, must be the 5th time I've dropped it while standing next to it… as opposed to once while actually riding. Still, I suppose that only averages out at about once every 3 years or 30-odd thousand miles.
Ordered a replacement mirror from M&P as soon as I got too work… riding on the motorway without one on the RHS is nerve-wracking!

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General / Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« on: 31 July 2017, 01:52:03 PM »

Arse! Dropped it this morning when putting it on the centrestand.
The surface was sloping away from me which always makes it awkward, full tank of fuel too making it a bit more top heavy. By the time I realised it was going over there was foc all I could do about it.
RH mirror snapped off and indicator pushed through the fairing, plus a scrape to the tank. Plus something in my back gave a twinge so doubtless I'll be feeling that properly tomorrow. :'(

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General / Re: FZ6 Front Sprocket Hooked
« on: 31 July 2017, 01:41:29 PM »
I think it's worth changing the front. It does get worn far faster because it's turning the chain through a much tighter angle which means the forces on the teeth are higher, plus each tooth obviously gets hit 3 times as often as one on the rear sprocket.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Crap mirrors on '98
« on: 31 July 2017, 08:30:05 AM »
I’m tempted, but half the riding I do is at night and being able to cut out the glare of the trillion-candlepower headlights behind with my elbows is a massive benefit of crap mirrors!

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Black Widow or Delkevic
« on: 27 July 2017, 09:57:43 PM »

It’s a poor choice these days now Motad has ceased trading.
I’m not the only one to have had a miserable time with Delkevic and Sandy Bike Spares/Black Widow at least fit better, but the exhaust clamps have a reputation for snapping.
Of course, either could have improved since I last bought.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: cutting out
« on: 25 July 2017, 09:11:40 PM »
Another possibility is a dodgy sidestand switch.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: cutting out
« on: 25 July 2017, 08:32:18 PM »

Did you check the connectors and loom in the tail?
I had an occasional misfire that was impossible to track down until it cut out permanently on the motorway one night… turned out to be one of the link plugs, or rather a wire to it, had chafed against the frame and got cut.
Another common place for the same sort of issue is the wiring to the ignition switch as this has to flex with the steering.
My guess would be the former though if it's only the sparks dying and not all the electrics.

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