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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Fitting spotlights - wiring?
« on: 23 May 2017, 11:27:57 PM »

The green wire you’ve marked ??? can go to either terminal of your bar-mounted switch.
The other side of the switch needs 12V, you can take that from the high beam switch (yellow wire) if the spots are a bit fierce for oncoming traffic. Or the main headlight feed (blue/yellow or green or blue/black) if the spots are aimed down enough (or if you just don’t give a shit, like about 10% of vehicle owners).

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Replace rear brake disc with wheel still on?
« on: 22 May 2017, 12:21:40 PM »

I guess you’re trying to avoid the slightly awkward job of persuading the wheel back in without a spacer getting nudged out, but think you’ll just make task harder.
If you can find a thin plank of wood about 2ft long (a bit of old floorboard or timber cladding is ideal) you can place that under the back in line with the bike. Roll the wheel on until it’s in position, then as you raise the end of the plank it’s easy to get the spacers to stay with the wheel as  you squeeze it into the swingarm. Once it’s roughly in line with the axle holes you can chock the plank to that level and you’ve two hands free to wriggle the axle in.

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General / Re: General Election 8th June
« on: 21 May 2017, 08:37:56 AM »


So what do you do if you don't trust Labour on defence or the economy, but you don't trust the Tories for a fair society? And you think UKIP are now irrelevant? And you think the Greens are a joke? And you're concerned about how Brexit goes, but you never quite trusted the direction the EU is going in? Sometimes, I'm just so confused
Quite.
If only there was another party we could choose. Ideally, one that would offer a referendum on the outcome of the Brexit deal.  :'(

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Fazer 400 and other models / Re: help needed pls
« on: 20 May 2017, 11:05:28 PM »

I can’t say for certain, but think it’s highly likely that the TPS is the same on both models.
However, TPS faults are usually either a broken track on the potentiometer inside or a dead spot where the wiper doesn’t get a connection to the track. The fact that you’re able to get a sensible reading by turning it further suggests that the fault may be that the idle adjustment on the carbs has been wound up miles to try to compensate for another issue. That would also tally with the excessive idle speed.


<edit> Just looked at a pic of some 400 carbs and now think they're not likely to share the same TPS.
(Though I still think yours may be OK.)


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General / Re: Sick foccer
« on: 20 May 2017, 10:12:54 AM »
not for me :thumbdown
...
Now the only thing I found funny about it was that the women in the auditorium were all laughing at his humour, did they really not comprehend that he was talking about them, they guys were all laughing as well, the comedian was talking about their wives, girlfriends, sisters and possibly their mums.
I'm not a prude in anyway shape or form but this sort of humour is not funny, it degrades women (for some of us our life partners) and should insult men.
...

Yes, that puzzled me too. Perhaps they were laughing at him for thinking that misogyny and profanity are automatically amusing. I just found him offensive.


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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Dropping gas from tank breather hose
« on: 19 May 2017, 03:55:37 PM »
Yes, stuffing some water and petrol resistant sealant in to block the pipe top and bottom should work OK.. at least as a short-term solution.


I'd be careful blocking up pipes if tank cant breathe engine will not run !
It's the filler cap drain, not the breather.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Dropping gas from tank breather hose
« on: 19 May 2017, 01:18:05 PM »
Yes, stuffing some water and petrol resistant sealant in to block the pipe top and bottom should work OK.. at least as a short-term solution.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Dropping gas from tank breather hose
« on: 18 May 2017, 11:44:07 PM »

The hoses connect to pipes that run up through the tank to the cap recess.
One terminates there and drains any rainwater from around the cap. The other goes to a nipple that seals against the cap itself which connects to the inner part of the cap. That is the breather.
Since both pipes pass through the tank, if either is perforated (by rust for example) then it’ll leak fuel.

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General / Re: So What're You Listening To Today?
« on: 17 May 2017, 06:15:11 PM »
Excellent choice Mr Sharp.  :thumbup

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: New clutch woes - help!
« on: 16 May 2017, 09:18:49 AM »
My next plan is to try fitting half Genuine Springs and half EBC, 3 of each, offset evenly, to hopefully achieve a happy medium. Anyone else done this, or foresee any issues with this plan?

I did try that, though I’d bought springs that were probably far stiffer than the EBC ones.
It stopped the clutch slip, but I found the lever action was still too heavy so went back to 100% OE. The slip is only an issue for the first few miles, once the oil’s warmed up fully the problem goes.
If your EBC springs are only 30-50% stiffer than OE a mix of 3 of each will probably be a good solution.

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General / Re: RI SPROCKET?
« on: 15 May 2017, 09:04:53 AM »
I suppose the narrower sprocket will wear fractionally quicker, but otherwise it won't make any difference. If you try pushing the chain from side to side on the current sprocket you'll find there's a fair bit of play anyway.

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Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner / Re: what do you fork gurus reckon?
« on: 11 May 2017, 08:04:50 PM »
Shame to contradict on my first post, but the stiffness of a round cross section torsion bar (spring is a coiled torsion bar) is proportional to the fourth power of the torsion bar diameter. As a result a slight increase in diameter results in a large increase in stiffness.

Ah... my mistake. Can't quite get my head around how it's a torsion spring, but you appear to be correct.
That would make the thou spring about 17% stiffer if all other variables are the same. And even if you do measure the spring rates it probably doesn't help much since the springs are different lengths and the FZ6 one looks as if it'll hit the stiffer rate a bit sooner.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Rear master cylinders... Do they go wrong?
« on: 10 May 2017, 05:38:47 PM »

Not impossible, but unusual.
Are you sure the pivot for the pedal is clean and lubricated? If neglected that can get so stiff the return spring isn't sufficient to pull the lever back up.

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General / Re: weld or fill? any welders near gravesend?
« on: 09 May 2017, 02:47:34 PM »

You could bodge them. I’ve not had much success with fillers (GunGum etc, always flakes off within a few miles)… perhaps try high temperature silicone sealant and wire some thin steel sheet (e.g. from food cans) around to hold the stuff in place, but it would only be a temporary solution.
Welding would require some complicated shapes to be fabricated to bridge all the wafer-thin bits so would end up being pricey, and chances are that the rot has spread beyond what you can see so even that won’t be a long-term fix.
I'd recommend some stainless ones if you have the budget for them.

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General / Re: Why is the site running as if
« on: 09 May 2017, 09:34:15 AM »
I thought it was fixed as the first few pages I looked at this morning loaded OK, but soon the problem returned.



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FZS600 Fazer / Re: After Motad
« on: 06 May 2017, 09:08:48 PM »
delkevic  are every bit as good as standard  pipes where you got thats they aint as good is nothing more than a lie
... or bitter experience.

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General / Re: What to see? Touring Calais to Hamburg.
« on: 04 May 2017, 10:44:37 AM »
Not been there, but the V3 site at Mimoyeques might be worth a visit. And there must be loads of Atlantic Wall defences still present if you choose a coastal route.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Another Stripped Counter shaft :(
« on: 02 May 2017, 06:54:58 PM »
So how would my threads become worn if the nut had aways been on the shaft? My only thought is that it was manufactured under size.
How do you know it's never come off? And have you measured the shaft?

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Another Stripped Counter shaft :(
« on: 02 May 2017, 06:23:56 PM »

...The reason for it is that some bikes were produced with very slightly undersized (diameter) output shafts...
I've heard this said before. If this is true, does anyone know what diameter it should measure so we could check?
Yes, I've seen the same claim many times, though all from the same source and it is only a theory.
17.8 mm is the typical diameter measured across the threads, Yamaha say to change the shaft if it's less than 17.5 mm. I've not heard of anyone measuring theirs and finding it undersize unless it's previously been battered to death by a loose nut and/or sprocket. Shafts being manufactured undersized will remain a myth until that happens.


The nut is of such soft steel that the threads on the shaft often survive it coming loose. The real damage is done if the nut falls off the end of the shaft, then the sprocket can move onto the threaded portion and chew it up. Later Fazers are at much greater risk of this because they lack the damper plate on the inside of the sprocket cover which tends to prevent a loose nut, particularly the 12mm one, from falling off the end of the shaft.


Earlier Fazers also had the factory nut put on with a ridiculously strong threadlock, anyone who's undone one can tell you that it requires a very long lever, a lot of force and it sounds like a gunshot when it finally lets  go. I was convinced I'd broken something!


The nut doesn't necessarily rotate to become loose. Several times when it's happened to me the washer was still engaged with both the nut and the splines meaning the nut has managed to "hop" a thread. There has also been excessive wear on the inside edge of the sprocket and I suspect the sideways hammering from the chain might be the cause of the nut becoming loose in those cases.

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General / Re: Broken exhaust flanges
« on: 02 May 2017, 06:22:02 PM »
Yeah I saw the overlapping type and someone on here had made their own, which I hoped to do from the original ones but unfortunately the inner diameter of the originals is too large.
I was puzzled about that for a moment... then remembered the OE pipes are double-skinned which would be why they're a larger diameter. :lol

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General / Re: Broken exhaust flanges
« on: 02 May 2017, 04:29:41 PM »
They're probably the Sandy Bikespares downpipes like I had. The clamps are made from a steel that has all the strength of peanut brittle. Weld them and they'll just snap elsewhere.
I ended up making my own from old Motad clamps.
Some bikes, Kawasaki GPZ900 and GPZ500s use overlapping "C"s, but are too large to suit the Fazer 600.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Another Stripped Counter shaft :(
« on: 02 May 2017, 09:44:46 AM »
Could you not drill down the centre of the shaft (using progressively larger drills). Then tap a thread in it. Then (with a load of loctite) refit and nip up the new nut and retain it with a big washer with hex screw down the middle of the shaft, again with loctite?
Yes, someone on here (Unfazed?) did this a while back, though I can't find the post at the moment.
It certainly looked neater, it'd be interesting know how well it's held up.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Another Stripped Counter shaft :(
« on: 01 May 2017, 11:39:51 PM »

A couple of decent spots should be sufficient.
Coincidentally, I changed my sprocket this afternoon… angle grinder to cut the old welds and clean up the end of the shaft, new sprocket, old nut back on which tightened up just enough to clamp the sprocket firmly and a couple of fresh welds and it should all stay put.


Nice idea to build up the shaft and then cut a fresh thread, you could actually choose a pitch suitable for the job. I doubt it could be done in-situ though, that much welding would probably get the shaft hot enough to roast the oil seal.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: A Pic of my Fazer
« on: 01 May 2017, 02:04:21 PM »

That does look good.
It’s amazing that it's possible to find 14+ year old bikes with less than 10k on them. Well, with some bikes it’s understandable, but the Fazer is such an excellent all-rounder that it seems odd that previous owners  have made such little use of it.

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General / Re: what did you do with your fazer today ?
« on: 30 April 2017, 11:55:19 PM »
The Scottoiler and lots of average speed cameras on my commute does wonders for chain life... though it was on its last legs.
The shock is kebab19's R6 mod... had the parts for ages, just haven't had the time to fit it 'til now.

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