Just one thing to bear in mind with the centre stand, if they become weak or damaged in any way through rust, wear and tear, etc, they can bend out of shape causing them not to function correctly. Normally caused by repeatedly twisting the stand as you pull the bike up onto it.I'd be very surprised if it is the TWO springs that are faulty (one inside the main one too).My stand was like this but i couldn't really see what the issue was until i removed it from the bike, then it was glaringly obvious that it was twisted and offset. I'm not saying this definitely is the case with yours, but it may be worth removing again to have a check, because chances are you wouldn't have noticed a problem if you weren't looking for one.https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/4162127/fzs600-fazer-5dm4-1999-070-b/stand-footrest
It moves ok, not twisted. I can move it with my little finger. The external spring isn't snapped, although rusty as hell. The inner one I can't really see because of the rubber sheath inbetween. So that could be the problem.
The stand will still move even if it's twisted, so not sure what your statement Quote from: Kenny Dave on 04 April 2020, 10:38:46 amIt moves ok, not twisted. I can move it with my little finger. The external spring isn't snapped, although rusty as hell. The inner one I can't really see because of the rubber sheath inbetween. So that could be the problem. Is trying to tell us? Also be aware these springs are very strong and need to be careful, removing them and you'll need a spring hook to refit them, without one it's a real pain
Because yes, it is easy to get them on.
Quote from: Kenny Dave on 07 April 2020, 12:22:54 pm Because yes, it is easy to get them on. The stand or spring anchor pin must be bent/twisted, its not easy to get them on even with the correct tools.
Not sure if we've got cross wires here, but once one of the bolts is in place the stand can then be pulled over to the other side to then fit the other bolt? No real fuss at all.
Quote from: Gnasher on 07 April 2020, 02:18:37 pmQuote from: Kenny Dave on 07 April 2020, 12:22:54 pm Because yes, it is easy to get them on. The stand or spring anchor pin must be bent/twisted, its not easy to get them on even with the correct tools. Not sure if we've got cross wires here, but once one of the bolts is in place the stand can then be pulled over to the other side to then fit the other bolt? No real fuss at all.
Quote from: darrsi on 07 April 2020, 02:38:42 pmNot sure if we've got cross wires here, but once one of the bolts is in place the stand can then be pulled over to the other side to then fit the other bolt? No real fuss at all.Possibly, I've never done it that way, normally there's not enough play in the mountings to allow for it. If the stand is bent/twisted as mentioned or the mountings in the frame are bent it could well do. That said it may still be possible, but not easily, now your and my 'easily' are going to be very different. It's been a little while since I've fitted a stand, but all centre stand and springs on all bikes, in my experience, are a bit of a pain to fit, regardless of what tools you have. Yes they can be fitted with bent wire, string, pliers etc, but it's still a faff, so if yours it fitting easily it's not right
Quote from: darrsi on 07 April 2020, 02:38:42 pmQuote from: Gnasher on 07 April 2020, 02:18:37 pmQuote from: Kenny Dave on 07 April 2020, 12:22:54 pm Because yes, it is easy to get them on. The stand or spring anchor pin must be bent/twisted, its not easy to get them on even with the correct tools. Not sure if we've got cross wires here, but once one of the bolts is in place the stand can then be pulled over to the other side to then fit the other bolt? No real fuss at all. yes I can confirm that it is not difficult, just a bit fiddly, especially kneeling down or laying on your side. Couldn't imagine what tool would help actually
Pics and vid: https://imgur.com/a/epPehsaYes I did the sticking it at an angle, put one bolt in then angle it the other way.
Your vid was very useful. It looks like the bolts are too tight but I cannot remember if it is even possible to overtighten them, which then makes me think - is the stand twisted, it seems to have a sticking point at a place where there should be maximum pull by the springs at about the 8 oclock position
Bolts are shouldered and cannot be overtighten to cause the sticking. A few possibilities for sticking, one of the two springs is broken, two the hinge part of the stand is multi layer steel and when it rusts it can swell the layers enough to cause the sticking and three it was painted and two much paint in the holes on the stand.. The only way to be sure is remove the stand and check it. Any I came across with the rust issue I usually grind it down a bit until it moves freely.
It's clean, but paint in the wrong spot and surface rust around the pivot points are strong suspects. I had a go at the stand, but didn't do anything with the frame side. I'm pretty sure I've got paint touching watching my own video. I'll get it off again and have a go at it. What's best for getting rust off in this situation, a file? or wire brush on a drill bit? The outside spring isn't broken, but poor. The inside one pulls so must be whole too. No one knows how I can replace the springs? That's the one thing I still need I think, the rest you've been stars on, thank you.
Link for the springs is in my first post. Bit expensive though.