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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #425 on: 20 November 2018, 09:40:17 pm »
What is likely to happen next if Parliament rejects the Brexit deal but The Government wins a subsequent confidence vote?.


Then it's likely that on March 29th we will leave with no deal, as the EU will refuse any further negotiations.

Right no deal it is then. That's that one sorted. I'm positive we'll be fine. We had all this doomsday scenario stuff just before The Millenium didn't we and nothing happened. The EU will miss us more than we miss them :D . Well they'll miss our cash anyway :lol .

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #426 on: 20 November 2018, 09:49:50 pm »
The EU will miss us more than we miss them :D . Well they'll miss our cash anyway :lol .


That, at the end of the day, is all they're interested in us for. Or more specifically, the financial powerhouse called London.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #427 on: 20 November 2018, 09:56:59 pm »
 But as I’ve pointed out there will not be a vote of no confidence.


It is likely that May’s deal will be voted down. 
Not sure what happens then.


But I think cross party emergency talks will be held, along with emergency talks with the EU.
There might be very minor adjustments to May’s deal.
If parliament fail to pass the deal again, there will be a referendum.


A No Deal option will be ruled out by parliamentary vote.


So, if, and I say if, there is s second referendum (if emergency cross party talks fail) then the question will be;


May’s deal
Or
Tear up article 50.
This second referendum will be binding.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #428 on: 20 November 2018, 10:20:30 pm »
 One for you VNA.
I know you're going to hate it because he refers to "Englishmen"  :lol
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #429 on: 20 November 2018, 11:29:02 pm »
quote] What is likely to happen next if Parliament rejects the Brexit deal but The Government wins a subsequent confidence vote?.


Then it's likely that on March 29th we will leave with no deal, as the EU will refuse any further negotiations.


That is one option. The other is to postpone the March 29 Article 50 deadline while other options are looked at. The EU have said they might be willing to do that.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #430 on: 20 November 2018, 11:39:11 pm »
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Blimey, don't you Brexiteers have any funny pictures of your own?




Yes   



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Glad you like that one  :) That's the 700, 000 who marched in London. The 2nd biggest march since the Iraq war one.
Not sure how many were at Nigel's 'Leave Means Leave' do in, where was it, oh yes Harrogate. Perhaps you could remind us  :lol [/size]

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #431 on: 20 November 2018, 11:50:31 pm »
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We had all this doomsday scenario stuff just before The Millenium didn't we and nothing happened.  [/size] .

Now from all I've read on here that is the biggest piece of bollocks I've heard.  As someone who led major projects during 5 years of preparation for the year 2000, I can tell you it was planning and effort by many thousands of people that avoided a domesday scenario.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #433 on: 21 November 2018, 06:15:36 am »
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We had all this doomsday scenario stuff just before The Millenium didn't we and nothing happened.  .
Now from all I've read on here that is the biggest piece of bollocks I've heard. 

I don't know whether to take that as an insult or a compliment :lol :lol :lol

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #434 on: 21 November 2018, 08:10:06 am »

What I don’t see sense in is our wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.  What I don’t see sense in is funding Islamic fundamentalists around the world just as wee have done in Syria.  What I don’t see sense in is selling arms to sick Wahhabist nutters in Saudia Arbaia who not only use them to kill civilans in Yemen but happen to think nothing of murdering guests to their foreign consulates.

I don't think many will disagree with you there. But all of that happened when we were IN the EU. So by wanting to stay in the EU you are voting for more of the same. 
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #435 on: 21 November 2018, 08:20:11 am »

As someone who led major projects during 5 years of preparation for the year 2000


I couldn't interest you in coming out of retirement to lead another major one for the year 2019 could I?.


You've only got about 4 months this time though :lol .


'Your Country Needs You!' as someone once famously said. ;)
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #436 on: 21 November 2018, 09:49:18 am »
....it could be your finest h-h-h-half hour :lol

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #437 on: 21 November 2018, 08:31:40 pm »
Sorry for the delay lads. I've been at the NEC bike show all day. Wanted to see the likes of Ducati, Moto Guzzi, BMW and KTM etc before they're banned from entering /can't be bothered to turn up. The good news is that their spaces are going to be taken up by Royal Enfield in our desire to go back to the 1950s and 60s :lol

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #438 on: 21 November 2018, 08:38:00 pm »
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I couldn't interest you in coming out of retirement to lead another major one for the year 2019 could I?.You've only got about 4 months this time though  .

Yep OK I'll do it. My fee will be £350 million a week you were going to give to the NHS (apparently). Converted to Euros of course. I don't want to be out of pocket.
Of course like most IT projects it will slip. I can't say how long, but certainly long enough to have another referendum  :)

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #439 on: 21 November 2018, 10:49:18 pm »
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I know you're going to hate it because he refers to "Englishmen"  :lol
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Bit of a rant from an excitable Englishman.
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #440 on: 21 November 2018, 10:58:39 pm »
   
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As someone who led major projects during 5 years of preparation for the year 2000
 
 
 
I couldn't interest you in coming out of retirement to lead another major one for the year 2019 could I?.
 
 
You've only got about 4 months this time though :lol .
 
 
'Your Country Needs You!' as someone once famously said. ;)

YamFazFan, there are only a couple of weeks left in order to get this deal in place.  Any deal has to go through due process etc.  So we are literally running out of time for the end of march.
 
 
And you need to remember this is a transitional deal, which enables a smooth transition from EU members to becoming non-members.



 
What lies ahead is years of negotiations and legal wrangling.  We are as much as any other country the architects of the EU.  Everything we do is integrated with the EU.   And it has always been a one way project. 



 
The expectation is to have a final agreement in place by 2022.  I suspect that is wildly optimistic.


 
 
And you know something, I still don’t what it is that BREXITEERS are unhappy about.  What are these dreadful laws that have been ‘forced’ upon us?
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #441 on: 22 November 2018, 09:25:27 am »

Quote from: mtread link=topic=24678.msg287530#msg287530 date=1542757151

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[/size]Not sure how many were at Nigel's 'Leave Means Leave' do in, where was it, oh yes Harrogate. Perhaps you could remind us  :lol




The venue holds 2000 and it was approximately 2 thirds full apparently.


It was part of a tour of different venues and it was ticketed. I'd like to see how many remoaners had turned up to the London march if they'd had to pay to get in :lol .


Besides which you're always going to attract more remoaners to these things. They've more of a gripe and they desperately want to reverse the democratic decision.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #442 on: 22 November 2018, 09:31:38 am »
It's done that quote inserting thing again :rolleyes

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #443 on: 22 November 2018, 10:02:32 am »
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The venue holds 2000 and it was approximately 2 thirds full apparently.[/size]It was part of a tour of different venues and it was ticketed. I'd like to see how many remoaners had turned up to the London march if they'd had to pay to get in  .Besides which you're always going to attract more remoaners to these things. They've more of a gripe and they desperately want to reverse the democratic decision.



So 666 (that's ominous isn't it) didn't turn up. Or they were probably out busy setting fire to mosques or something....


PS you just need to get your brackets in the right place

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #444 on: 22 November 2018, 10:18:47 am »
..... and anyway, why would somebody want to pay to hear Farage? Is he that hard up? Hasn't he got his MEP salary to look forward to... (oops forgot). Hasn't he got his party leader's salary to enjoy.... (oops forgot again)  :lol

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #445 on: 22 November 2018, 10:32:05 am »

Yeah I usually get the brackets right. Mess it up sometimes when there's a pic removed in the quote or something :rolleyes .


The other bit of that reply is just plain daft. I can't respond to nonsense like that.




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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #446 on: 22 November 2018, 10:57:35 am »
I don't know whether to take that as an insult or a compliment  

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #447 on: 22 November 2018, 11:15:16 am »
OK so let's seriously analyse the current situation then.
Doesn't look like the Moggies can get the 48 letters together, so Theresa stays.
She's got to get her draft deal through the EU, then Parliament
The EU may be difficult, and Parliament even more so. The Moggies, DUP and the opposition are likely to vote against or abstain.
Apart from the Moggies they've all made clear they will not allow a 'No Deal' result.
So other options will be provided - postponement, amendments to the deal, new referendum etc. We don't know.


The deal is of course 'business as usual' for the next 2 years (or more).  Then they sort out the future arrangements which it is clear will involve some sort of permanent Customs Union with the EU. That will also come with conditions.  May is of course a Remainer after all.


So, if 'No Deal' is off the cards, and the only  choices are Draft Deal followed by Permanent Deal with more conditions, or Remain in the EU as it, what do you vote?

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #448 on: 22 November 2018, 11:45:55 am »

I don't know whether to take that as an insult or a compliment  


I'm not into insulting people and it's definitely not a compliment so maybe there's a third option :rolleyes
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #449 on: 22 November 2018, 11:54:03 am »
mtread, did you predict the result of the EU referendum correctly? A simple yes or no will do.