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General => General => Topic started by: lew600fazer on 31 December 2014, 06:33:59 pm
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Just listening to the evening news.
THe owner of Wigan football club has just been fined £50,000 banned from attending any home games and must attend an awareness class so he does not re offend etnic groups , be it religeous or racial.
The fine was by the FA. In their statement they said they accepted that he was not a racist or anti semitic.
So why did they fine him £50k. Who the feck do the FA think they are Kangaroo foccing court and a bigger bunch of bent and corrupt assholes out there.
Rant over.
happy new year folks
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Just listening to the evening news.
THe owner of Wigan football club has just been fined £50,000 banned from attending any home games and must attend an awareness class so he does not re offend etnic groups , be it religeous or racial.
The fine was by the FA. In their statement they said they accepted that he was not a racist or anti semitic.
So why did they fine him £50k. Who the feck do the FA think they are Kangaroo foccing court and a bigger bunch of bent and corrupt assholes out there.
Rant over.
happy new year folks
Yes things like this really do piss one off but sadly its a fact of life, oh for the good old days.
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Never a truer word said, in my day you could call a chink a chink and a yid a money grabbing yid and as long as you said you weren't racist everyone understood. :rolleyes
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The owner of Wigan football club has just been fined £50,000 banned from attending any home games and must attend an awareness class so he does not re offend etnic groups , be it religeous or racial.
It's a 6 week ban. He owns a major football club, he's paid a lot of money, he's been a stupid boy making offensive comments in public and brought the game into disrepute. He got a slap on the wrist.
He has accept the charges, accepted the verdict, will attend the awareness class and will not appeal.
Hopefully he will learn from this experience and in future behave appropriately in public.
Well done to the FA. Racism has no place in the UK and no place in football.
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I'm with VNA on this. Football has had a bad reputation and still needs improving. He should know better and lead by example.
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Well known only white christians are racist!
I will only believe in equality when I see muslims, jews and any non white person up on a racism or anti christian charge.
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I will only believe in equality when I see muslims, jews and any non white person up on a racism or anti christian charge.
OK - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2679587/Racist-thugs-jailed-battering-two-men-death-baseball-bats-werent-Muslim.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2679587/Racist-thugs-jailed-battering-two-men-death-baseball-bats-werent-Muslim.html)
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He was being punished for daring to give Malky Mackay the managers job.
He said Jewish people chase money more than anyone else?? what is anti semitic about that it is a well known fact.
Funny how it was Mackay's former boss Vincent Tan who lashed out at David Whelan for his supposed racist comments.
Vincent Tan is the man who says fuck your traditions here at Cardiff City, I don't give fook if you are known as the Blue Birds and your home colours are Blue and have been since 1899, as and from blah date at home you will wear red.
Chink??, Paddy, Mick, Taffy, Jock, Geordie, what the feck. To me that is only offensive if some one is in your face.
David Whelan is a club owner and chairman who has been held in high regard throughout football for many years.
The FA were pressured by the Board of deputies of British Jews.
When was the last time Celtic, Rangers , Hearts, Hibs were fined or taken to court for Religous abuse by there owners or managers??
Can anyone tell me what happens to all these fines that the FA hit people with , were does the money go.
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I agree with you Lew. People get way to offended these days.
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I tend to agree and in any case it's not illegal to offend people or be rude about people the last time i looked whereas incitements to action are ........as far as I'm concerned thre should never be thought or opinion 'crimes'.......we're all entitled to our own thoughts opinions and prejudices but we should draw the line at incitements to malicious action based on hatred...
Somone else summed it up better than I could when he said 'I detest what you say but I defend to the death your RIGHT to say it'
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I tend to agree and in any case it's not illegal to offend people or be rude about people the last time i looked whereas incitements to action are ........as far as I'm concerned thre should never be thought or opinion 'crimes'.......we're all entitled to our own thoughts opinions and prejudices but we should draw the line at incitements to malicious action based on hatred...
Somone else summed it up better than I could when he said 'I detest what you say but I defend to the death your RIGHT to say it'
I remember Ron Atkinson the ex football manager, come pundit uttered what could have been deemed as a racial slur. He thought he was off air and the broadcast had finished so as far as he was concerned it was private comment. That more or less finished his career. It did not matter how many times he said sorry, he even had coloured players defending him saying no way was he a racist made no differance he was finished.
Rio Ferdinand got involved in the row over the John Terry/Aton Ferdinand bust up. Ashley Cole stood up for Terry and Rio called him a choc ice , meaning he was brown on the outside but white in the middle. Rio got fined a few £££££ but he was still able to continue working unlike Atkinson
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He said Jewish people chase money more than anyone else?? what is anti semitic about that it is a well known fact.
Jewish people chase money more than anyone else. Now obviously, one, that is complete and utter nonsense, and secondly if that is not a racist comment, well foc me Lew I don't know what is!
Of course, as we should all know, language is important. Language can be used to demonise people, and if you demonise people, you can, when it is taken to extremes kill people, or as the Nazi's did (my God I've just invoked Godwins law!) you can use the 'money grabbing Jew' slur as a good wee excuse to eliminate a whole section of society. Such is the power of language. Fire up the ovens!
Paddy, Mick, Taffy, Jock, Geordie, what the feck.
Indeed call me a jock and I'll laugh. Don't confuse what can be silly names and possibly terms of endearment with racial slurs. You have to look at how a word has been used, it's history and historical context. It is of course complex, I can probably get away with calling my work mate Paddy as I'm a Jock, but it might not work if you are a wealthy stock broker from London, and I might think twice about calling my boss a Mick and I certainly wouldn't use such a term if being interviewed by a national newspaper.
But no Paddy, Mick, Taffy, Jock, Geordie (whilst they are racial terms and can be used abusively) aren't quiet up there with nigger, sand nigger, coon, pakki, black bastard etc. Fuck is also a handy measure of words, the more likely a term is to be proceeded by fuck the more likely it is to be a racist term, and therefore perhaps followed by a head butt. And of course the acceptance of racist terms allows or encourages people to then dish out racist abuse and we know from "money grabbing Jews" how effective that can be.
When was the last time Celtic, Rangers , Hearts, Hibs were fined or taken to court for Religous abuse by there owners or managers??
There are very strict and I have to say controversial laws today covering bigotry and racism in Scottish football.
Someone else summed it up better than I could when he said 'I detest what you say but I defend to the death your RIGHT to say it'
Some people if course don't understand that statement, and the he is a she by the way. With freedom of speech comes responsibility. Yes you are free to say what you please, but don't forget that somebody else may in turn exercise their freedom of speech to hold you to account for what you have just said.
I remember Ron Atkinson the ex football manager, come pundit uttered what could have been deemed as a racial slur. He thought he was off air and the broadcast had finished so as far as he was concerned it was private comment.
Indeed
He's what is known in some schools as a fucking lazy thick nigger. - Ron Atkinson
Unfortunately for Ron that was broadcast in a number of countries. Could have been deemed a racial slur? One wonders what the fuck in Lew's word would actually be deemed a racial slur. It may well have been a stupid thoughtless dumb private (who knows possibly tongue in cheek) comment by an angry Ron Atkinson, and Ron himself said -
I made a stupid mistake which I regret. It left me no option but to resign. At the moment I can't believe I did it.
Remember Gordon Brown and "That woman!" ? Always beware of the microphone.
But what I would say to you Lew, is that this is a motorcycle forum, it is also a public forum. I'd like to think that this place is open to anybody and everybody with any sort of interest in Yamaha Fazers and that it matter not what sex they are, race, creed, religion or no religion etc. I for one would ask you to please keep your racist opinions and rants to yourself.
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Hi VNA i thought the comment about defending the right to say something even though one may detest it was actually from Voltaire who was definitely male.....but I'm happy to have any mistake corrected....
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It was written by Evelyn Beatrice Hall under the pseudonym of S G Tallentyre.
The phrase is an attempt to sum up Voltaire.
It is often attributed to Voltaire.
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I think you owe me and this forum an apology VNA. Show me anywhere in any post I have on the forum where I used in your own words the following statement.
So according to Lew anyone who is Jewish is a money grabbing bastard.
Now I know you are trying to get a rise out of me, which you are entittled to do, but do not post things using my name which I did not say.
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Let me quote you again Lew;
He was being punished for daring to give Malky Mackay the managers job.
He said Jewish people chase money more than anyone else?? what is anti semitic about that it is a well known fact.
I think you owe me and this forum an apology VNA. Show me anywhere in any post I have on the forum where I used in your own words the following statement.
So according to Lew anyone who is Jewish is a money grabbing bastard.
I think you owe me and this forum an apology VNA. Show me anywhere in any post I have on the forum where I used in your own words the following statement.
Firstly Lew, speak for yourself, do not speak for others. Secondly, if you want to make controversial posts, don't go spitting the dummy out when others, like me, don't like it. Don't start a fight Lew then scream that you are the victim.
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VNA you posted something I did not say. So do not post words I did not use simples. If you do not like what I post ignore them simples.
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VNA you posted something I did not say. So do not post words I did not use simples. If you do not like what I post ignore them simples.
Lew I don't ignore racism. This is a public forum Lew, you are not down the pub with your mates. Try and engage your brain before you post.
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Brain is engaged you are ignoring what I said, show me were I used
anyone who is jewish is a money grabbing bastard, you know you fabricated that so retract it, that is all I am asking, do not imply I used that term, you know that I did not and anyone else can see that I never said that, so grow a pair and retract.
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Advantage Lew
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He said Jewish people chase money more than anyone else?? what is anti semitic about that it is a well known fact.
There you go Lew - short of using the word bastard, you've said exactly what VNA accused you of.
The FA were pressured by the Board of deputies of British Jews.
Got any evidence to support that?
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Advantage Lew
Nah, not really.
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He said Jewish people chase money more than anyone else??
The above is as stated by David Whelan direct copy and paste,
The bit I added is, what is anti sematic about that, it is a well known fact. There is nothing anti sematic about it, tell me that people of that faith are not adept at making money.
The FA were pressured by the Board of Deputies of British Jews.
Suggest you read comments made by Johnathan Arkush in any of the tabloids or broad sheet newspapers.
Richfzs, my moan about VNA's post is I never said what he has posted.
So if I make a statement that in years gone by the Irish were perhaps considered to be adept for being navies as in digging ditches, that is a well known fact, is that racist?
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So if I make a statement that in years gone by the Irish were perhaps considered to be adept for being navies as in digging ditches, that is a well known fact, is that racist?
I agree with you. Some people confuse racism with pointing out that some people fit their stereotype -which is hardly a major crime against humanity.
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He said Jewish people chase money more than anyone else?? what is anti semitic about that it is a well known fact.
There you go Lew - short of using the word bastard, you've said exactly what VNA accused you of.
where?
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British gets shortened to Brit... no one gives a shit. Pakistani gets shortened to Paki and all hell breaks out. No one wants to hear racism but, things need to be put into proportion. People are always gonna draw a point towards whatever stands out about someone. If someone has a big nose and you call them a big nosed twat, it gets laughed off. if someone is black and you call them a black twat, you are a racist. Calling a fat person a `fat bastard` is just as offensive to them as calling a black person a `black bastard`
but can anybody here honestly say they have never been `fattist` baldist` `religionist` `childist` `uglyist` etc?
Nigger isnt a word I ever use, but its kinda funny how everyone shouts racist when its used, unless you just happen to be a black rapper, then its used in every song going!!
The biggest problem I have with all this isnt the people it involves, its the `do gooders` who stir things up in the name of racism. You can no longer call it a black board, thats racist..... no, fuck off, its a board, its black... its a black board!!! No black person has ever been insulted by it being called a black board any more than any white person is offended by `whitewash`.
As I said earlier, no one wants to hear racism, but lets keep things in perspective.
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British gets shortened to Brit... no one gives a shit. Pakistani gets shortened to Paki and all hell breaks out. No one wants to hear racism but, things need to be put into proportion. People are always gonna draw a point towards whatever stands out about someone. If someone has a big nose and you call them a big nosed twat, it gets laughed off. if someone is black and you call them a black twat, you are a racist. Calling a fat person a `fat bastard` is just as offensive to them as calling a black person a `black bastard`
but can anybody here honestly say they have never been `fattist` baldist` `religionist` `childist` `uglyist` etc?
Nigger isnt a word I ever use, but its kinda funny how everyone shouts racist when its used, unless you just happen to be a black rapper, then its used in every song going!!
The biggest problem I have with all this isnt the people it involves, its the `do gooders` who stir things up in the name of racism. You can no longer call it a black board, thats racist..... no, fuck off, its a board, its black... its a black board!!! No black person has ever been insulted by it being called a black board any more than any white person is offended by `whitewash`.
As I said earlier, no one wants to hear racism, but lets keep things in perspective.
pa!! trying being ginger like me !! THEN your'll know all about being picked on :lol
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God helps those who help themselves..... ;)
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God helps those who help themselves..... ;)
isnt that a quote from above the doors into parliment that the mp's go through ?! :evil
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He said Jewish people chase money more than anyone else?? what is anti semitic about that it is a well known fact
Prejudice – A negative or hostile attitude/opinion based, not on actual factual information, but on a prejudgement depending on stereotypes about a whole group
Seems to me Lew you are mistaking a commonly held prejudice as a fact. The bottom line for me - how would a member of the community referred to react to the comment being made. Not sure? Then dont say it. But why would a Jewish person object ? Wiki is not always a reliable source for obscure material but is helpful for issues like this.
'Jews have often been stereotyped as greedy and money-mad. This originates in the Middle Ages, when the Church forbade Christians to lend money while charging interest (a practice called usury, although the word later took on the meaning of charging excessive interest). Jews were legally restricted to occupations as usurers, usually to Christians, and thus many went into money-lending. This led to, through the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, the association of Jews with greedy practices.
I'm a Mick - said as a growl or in a snide way I know what is being said. But at least sometimes something positive results. Working as a nurse a rich patient complaining about NHS breakfasts - said to me 'what do you know - I've seen your sort cooking your breakfast on a shovel by the side of the road'.
And the positive? This story led to the annual shovel pizza cooking by big Ralphie a treat not to be missed.
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My bitch is that VNA has accused me of saying that Jews are money grabbing bastards. Follow the posts at no time did I use those words.
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Jewish people chase money more than anyone else
Like .....
All paddys are thick
All Scots are mean
All black fellas have natural rythmn
Are these 'well known facts' too? All a bit pathetic isn't it ? Stereotyping is prejudice. We are all individuals, unclassified.
As to 'racist words'. It's the context and intent that are racist.
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Ok Kiddies, I'm wading in here before this descends further into chaos.
It's been apparent from recent posts that Lew and Gareth are never going to make use of the new Marriage laws available in the UK, but if we can take a step back please gents, that would be grand.
Fair to say I don't think that Lew should have relayed the Jews chasing money prejudice as fact, nor do I think that Gareth should have added fuel to an already contentious issue by paraphrasing this into money grabbing bastards.
I, along with those who held the reins prior, tend to believe that a hands off and self moderating approach is the way to proceed as we are all (allegedly) grown adults.
I will however wade in when we start lowering the level of the board to that of a UKIP style soundbite.
I don't care which Invisible Superhero that Lives in Space you believe in, nor which level of melanin you have in your skin, you will always be welcome here as long as you adopt the same approach.
As soon as you start posting bigoted pish, you're on my shitlist.
So, I'll ask us all to have a guid think before we post things of that nature, I've not wielded T-Cat's Banning Stick (TM) in anger for a while, I'd like to keep it that way.
Love 'n hugs,
Aegis
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Accepted, lets get back to talking about a decent bike or failing that a decent whiskey.
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Aegis you old spoilsport :lol
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But who is the Katie Hopkins award going to
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It goes to Aegis fer being a borin haggis shagger
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It goes to Aegis fer being a borin haggis shagger
Ive been looking for a fresh hobby for 2015
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Doddsie, I please read my (modified) post reply 11
The FA were pressured by the Board of Deputies of British Jews.
Lew, I have no idea of whether they were or were not. I have little interest in football. Nor do I care much for The Board of Deputies of British Jews, I seldom agree with them, however if they did apply pressure over this incident then they were right to do so.
Dave Whelan has apologised for his remarks and we are told will accept the FA's verdict. End of story.
In response to Aegis's intervention, which I welcome, I have modified the first line of my post reply 11
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Advantage VNA
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VNA as you say , you have no idea!!
Now do you want to leave it alone now.
Just about to go out on the bike , sun is shinning here it is 16 degrees, may take the camera and post few photo's just to really piss you off.
Now we have both been told off by the boss so behave yourself.
Go and polish the bike and chill, oops sorry it is already pretty cool were you are just now.
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Its about money as is evrything today >: There's a sticky fingered solicitor/lawyer at the bottom of it who's more than willing to point out that whomever has a few quid and can be sued of course they get their margin!
When I see or hear of one who will do it for free I'll change that view point somehow I dont think that's ever going to happen............do you :evil
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Kiwi Fucker now if you don't mind.
;)
Also, the Haggii were only used when dynorod were in cleaning out yer mum.
:D
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Fudnut