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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Rough warm up?
« on: 05 March 2013, 12:36:50 pm »
Idle's about 1200rpm, and when warm is steady as a rock.
The main point of all this is that i've never had to use the choke before, and it's always started first time, and then ticked over quite happily after a quick blip of the throttle.
But within the last week it's suddenly become throaty on start up, which for my bike is out of the ordinary, so i'm just wondering why, especially as the weather is warmer now and it didn't misbehave at all during the really cold weather?
My previous bikes tended to prefer cold weather, whereas the Fazer thrives on warmer climates, which makes it even more puzzling.
Don't get me wrong, it starts, and eventually warms up and runs fine with a bit of nursing, it's not like i can't start it or anything, but there's always a reason when something changes and me being a fussy sod would like to know why!  :)

9602
FZS600 Fazer / Re: Oil Additives
« on: 05 March 2013, 12:24:18 pm »
@Slaninar, you've tried it then?  :rolleyes

I haven't tried it  - regular good quality oil is good enough. But you do have a point. I'd like to see an independent test:
2 engines. One run for 500 hours on regular quality oil, the other run the same period on oil with magic aditives. Then measure and compare wear. Same change periods, same revs etc.
It's all about the feel of things, when i first tried it i seriously noticed smoother gear changing.
I'm not making it up, honest  :lol 

9603
FZS600 Fazer / Re: BRAKES!!!
« on: 05 March 2013, 11:36:34 am »
got them from wemoto cant remember if they were yam ones
I think they are Yamaha one's from Wemoto, there are cheaper brands out there that are not as good, i've already learnt that lesson myself before!

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Oil Additives
« on: 05 March 2013, 10:26:35 am »
@Slaninar, you've tried it then?  :rolleyes

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: BRAKES!!!
« on: 05 March 2013, 10:22:32 am »
Smear the seals with red rubber grease.
You should be able to push the piston in with just your fingers if it's functioning properly.
Out of curiosity are they Yamaha seals?

9606
FZS600 Fazer / Re: Oil Additives
« on: 04 March 2013, 11:17:55 pm »
Slippery buggers get everywhere......  :lol

9607
FZS600 Fazer / Re: Twitching
« on: 04 March 2013, 10:35:12 pm »
I tried the 15w oil recently, very happy with the outcome, it feels much more stable up front.

9608
FZS600 Fazer / Re: Twitching
« on: 04 March 2013, 09:48:28 pm »
Fork oil levels can chuck the bike right out of sync, get that sorted, use 15w heavier fork oil and you may find a massive improvement?

9609
FZS600 Fazer / Re: Dogbones
« on: 04 March 2013, 08:49:15 pm »
140mm is standard, shorter raises the bike, longer lowers it.

9610
FZS600 Fazer / Re: Products / tools when cleaning ur bike?
« on: 04 March 2013, 07:36:37 pm »
smooth peanut butter to bring up faded plastic ,try it it works


Explain please???

9611
FZS600 Fazer / Re: Chain rattling problem
« on: 04 March 2013, 06:29:43 pm »
The front sprocket is obviously a lot smaller than the rear, so if there's a tight link it has a smaller turning point on the front and will struggle much more than the wider curve of the rear sprocket.
If it's seized in the wrong position that's what causes the lumpy feeling as it's trying to turn on the smaller/tighter curve.
The initial trick is to lube the chain much more than you think is necessary in crappy weather, which in the UK is all the time!  :'( 

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Chain rattling problem
« on: 04 March 2013, 04:17:19 pm »
I've not noticed any stiff links. Does it matter which way you rotate the wheel?


I opened up the scottoiler to full and ran it on the stand for a few minutes at lunchtime, got plenty of oil out of it.  Things freed up a bit, but I've found that there's more resistance when turning the wheel forward than when turning it backward.  I don't think it's the brake dragging now, but will still drop the caliper and try again.
Putting more oil on an already seized link is highly unlikely to free it up, once the damage is done they become very stubborn and are difficult to get right again even if you get physical with it, unless you catch it early enough.
When i had a dodgy link on mine if you rotate the wheel forwards then the link would be at an angle, the left part lower, aiming up to the right.
If you have tight spots then it sounds like a worn chain anyway to be honest, unless it's misaligned, that causes a crunchie feeling/noise.
If not, it's a new chain, sprockets, and modded front nut i reckon.
D'ya have any idea when it was last changed or mileage?
Mind you, with all the salt about if it hasn't been oiled correctly it can ruin a chain in no time.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Chain rattling problem
« on: 04 March 2013, 01:51:14 pm »
My chain started to do this yesterday  :'(


I've got a scottolier, but it didn't look like it was supplying enough oil.  The inner section was oiled, but I don't think enough, so I've turned it up.


The weather has been taking it's toll on the outer links, which are quite rusty, so I also gave it a good treatment of WD-40. Seemed to help a bit, but the clank still hasn't gone away.


I need to look into it more, but I am noticing tight spots when I try rotating the wheel by hand.  Not sure if it's the chain or brakes that are causing it, so I'm going to do some more oiling and drop the caliper off and see what's what (and check under the sprocket cover).


I report back, and ask you to do the same if you work out your cause.
You can normally spot a tight link just by slowly rotating the wheel and looking at the lower chain.
A tight link will always sit at a slight angle, compared to good links that remain horizontal, so they actually stand out.
If one looks suspect then get a pair of pliers and see if it moves freely, you'll soon know if it isn't moving properly.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Rough warm up?
« on: 04 March 2013, 01:44:55 pm »
were they checked or adjusted 14000 miles ago  :)
Don't actually know, 'cos i had a few things done to it at the same time?
The weather's gonna warm up for a whole TWO DAYS so i'll be interested to see if that makes any difference at all in the mornings as well.  :sun

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Rough warm up?
« on: 04 March 2013, 01:04:40 pm »
I don't think it's a clearance problem but if you want to check them it's handy enough. The service manual goes through it quite well so have a read of that first. Getting the cam cover off can be a bit fiddly because it hits the thermostat. You can remove the thermostat but you'll have to drain the coolant or you can just unbolt it and you might be able to get the cover out with the thermostat loose. Then take out the plugs and remove the alternator cover. Then rotate the engine and line up the marks are per the manual so you're on the compression stroke on cylinder 1. Check your clearances and rotate the engine again. It's all in the service manual. You'll need a set of feeler gauges and the engine has to be totally cold. The only place you can go wrong is when you're loosening and tightening the cam cover bolts. If you make a balls of it don't blame me :lol
Probably why i've never done it before, the problem i have is being on call for work at weekends so i can't just start taking the bike to bits in case i have to go to work straight away. I normally have to borrow a bike from my mechanic and let him do the fiddly stuff.
I just checked and the valve clearances were checked 14000 miles ago, not sure how often they should be checked.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Rough warm up?
« on: 04 March 2013, 11:37:37 am »
@His Dudeness, i've never personally checked valve clearances myself before, is that a pig of a job to do?
 
@red98, if there was a blockage in the carbs would it not run roughly all the time, even after warm up?

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Rough warm up?
« on: 04 March 2013, 10:49:12 am »
I've never needed to use the choke before so i wasn't really expecting that to help, mine's normally the same, a few blips then it would tick over on it's own no problem at all.
And it doesn't normally take as long to warm up which is why it's so noticeable to me.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Rough warm up?
« on: 04 March 2013, 09:49:42 am »
Bike started on the button this morning, and it was much colder than yesterday, then it got a little bit throaty so i tried the choke and it just cut out straight away, which i expected.
It felt a tiny bit better than yesterday but i'm still not convinced that it's quite right, although again once warmed up it was fine?
Definitely way too early to even consider worrying about the K&N filter, so i'm still a bit stumped as it never used to play up in the mornings at all?

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Annoying noise from front wheel area.....
« on: 03 March 2013, 09:48:10 pm »
This is all sounding very familiar - I've recently picked up an intermittent rattling as well. Not the normal fairing vibration (which isn't too bad on mine), this is like a cable is rattling against the tank or something. Noticeable when clutch is in and slowing or sometimes when cornering with a bit of lean on...


Headlight bulb springs can unclip themselves, plus front indicators and fairing infill trays can all cause a rattle.

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Rough warm up?
« on: 03 March 2013, 09:37:52 pm »
I was just explaining an air leak as an example, and what happens.
I'd imagine as soon as i touch the choke the engine will just cut out, at a guess, i'll let you know tomorrow?

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Rough warm up?
« on: 03 March 2013, 09:27:17 pm »
I'll try it in the morning, too much air would aim at not enough fuel or an air leak, although once it warmed up it ran perfectly well so that doesn't sound too likely in theory??
I've had an air leak before via a carb intake rubber not being refitted properly and it causes hesitation on hard acceleration, it wasn't doing that today!

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: Rough warm up?
« on: 03 March 2013, 09:10:44 pm »
I've never used the choke, never needed to.

9623
FZS600 Fazer / Re: Choke lever Mk 1 600
« on: 03 March 2013, 07:30:03 pm »
The lever can be bought separately:   http://www.fazerspares.com/catalogue/131-1_fuel-and-exhaust.htm

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FZS600 Fazer / Re: What oil ?
« on: 03 March 2013, 06:51:54 pm »
Check out the prices in a petrol garage, then everywhere else will be cheap!  :)

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FZS600 Fazer / Rough warm up?
« on: 03 March 2013, 05:22:49 pm »
Over the last few days i've had to persevere with the bike to get it to warm up, mainly at the initial start up.
It's very throaty after hitting the button and i have to coax it in to life with the tiniest amount of throttle.
Once it's cleared it's throat i let it tick over for a couple of minutes then i'll warm it up by riding, but even that takes another 5 minutes.
The thing that's confusing me is that it's been fine all over winter with the really cold weather, but today for instance was way warmer than we've been used to and it's been starting like a pig.
The battery's okay, no issues there, and once it's properly warmed up it behaves absolutely fine.
Got a newish K&N fitted, and the bike's used 5 to 7 days a week so it's not sitting about.


For the record i initially started the bike today with a Moto GP end can on, but then put my old Quill race can back on and went for a spin and everything felt good.


Any thoughts please ?




Just read this on another forum:


Re: Engine Rough at Start Up

Update - funny thing....after doing a valve adjustment on my ST1100....found 2 valves were on the tight side...at the limit but not below the limit....guess what ? Two shims later they are all back in exact specs now and NO more rough start-ups. Only did it on very cold days and for very short time. Passing this on as a tip to check your valve clearances if you are having these symptoms.


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