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Bikes, Hints'n'Tips => Fazer 1000/FZ1 corner => Topic started by: dazza on 30 January 2019, 06:30:36 pm

Title: ULEZ and how it effects the Gen1:
Post by: dazza on 30 January 2019, 06:30:36 pm
Received confirmation today that the NOX output for the Gen1 Fazer thou is 0.09. The limit is 0.15
This means that with a certificate of conformity it is exempt.
Great news for us all I believe.
I'm going to attempt to get the whole model included but as they've asked for engine and chassis number photographs I suspect that it's going to be issued on an individual basis.
I may still have some hoops to jump through as mine was a French import




Here is a copy of the reply email.
Good Afternoon,Thank you we have now been able to identify the machine, the NOx output is 0.09 (g/km). In regards to documentation to confirm this it would be a Certificate of Conformity required, the procedure as follows below.We believe that we are likely to be able to produce a Certificate of Conformity for the FZS1000 we would however ask you to be kind enough to e-mail the following:1)Name2)Full postal address3)Daytime telephone number4)A photograph of the VIN/Chassis Number stamped into the frame of the machine5)A photograph of the Engine Number which will be visible on the engine casing.Once we have the above information, we should be in a position to produce a Certificate of Conformity. Please be advised that being an import once information is presented we will have to request the document from Europe systems, we cannot guarantee the document is available for this imported unit.May we also advise that an administration fee of £60 (inc VAT) is applicable and may be paid by either debit or credit card. Due to the number of requests received, we are currently taking an average of 3-4 weeks once all information has been received to produce the letter and therefore will wait until we have produced a draft of the letter before contacting you by telephone to take your card payment.We once again thank you for contacting us and trust that the above information will be of assistance.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: red98 on 30 January 2019, 06:38:08 pm
Good work DAZZA  :thumbup .....very interested to see the outcome...
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 30 January 2019, 08:11:25 pm
This is amazing news! who do we contact..? as I want to get mine in before april.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 30 January 2019, 08:33:11 pm
Fantastic work Dazza. Is yours invanised? Might make a difference
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 30 January 2019, 08:44:25 pm
This is amazing news! who do we contact..? as I want to get mine in before april.


mailto:Cust.Service@yamaha-motor.co.uk


Fantastic work Dazza. Is yours invanised? Might make a difference


No, standard carbs have gone back on  :D :finger
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Trebus on 30 January 2019, 10:20:09 pm
Shouldn’t make any difference as they won’t be testing it? Must be going by ‘as new’ figures.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 30 January 2019, 10:59:34 pm
That's just a typical mtread response, trying to suck the joy out of everything.
You have to humour him.  :rolleyes
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 30 January 2019, 11:40:00 pm
You love me really  :)
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: red98 on 31 January 2019, 06:54:46 am
If it turns out that our 1 litre fazers fall beneath thr limit and are exempt from charges , surly the majority of bikes on the roads will also be exempt , parhaps not for two strokes , but most modern two strokes are scooters so no loss there and proper two strokes from the 70s are exempt anyway due to classis status , money making scam , bikes should'nt have been included in the first place........




DAZZA FOR PM.........gets my vote   :thumbup
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Ripsnortingvtwin on 31 January 2019, 08:10:38 am
this is really good news it was looking like i would have to go by train after April , so pleased the old fazer can still carry on , there nothing wrong with it so really did not want to sell it 

thanks for posting this will get mine done today
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Fazerjon on 31 January 2019, 08:55:08 am
That’s excellent news, I had visions of having to sell the old Fazer, but now it appears I can keep her! Nice work, thanks for letting us know  :thumbup
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 31 January 2019, 10:13:33 am
Quote
DAZZA FOR PM...
:eek
Wait until he's forked out the 60 quid  ;)
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 31 January 2019, 10:28:27 am
The charge really is a money making scam.
I can understand the need to clean up our air and protect the children and citizens but 24/7....
Come on, that's just foolish.
Should have been same hours as the congestion charge.
If I were to get two shifts of work, say Monday and Wednesday (which hasn't been uncommon in the past )
I would have to pay 4 days ULEZ as the cut off time is midnight to midnight.
What a load of bollocks that is.
A work colleague who lives in London has got round it by buying a 2006 Peugeot 208GTI for£600.
Lucky if it does 28MPG and yet older bikes are  allegedly not compliant.
I rarely take my bike into London these days but going to get it exempted just to stick it to Khan and TFL.
And mtread, if you've got nothing positive to say...Get the foc off my thread.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 31 January 2019, 10:48:31 am
OK. I agree with everything you've said  :D
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: tommyardin on 31 January 2019, 11:43:38 am
If it turns out that our 1 litre fazers fall beneath thr limit and are exempt from charges , surly the majority of bikes on the roads will also be exempt , parhaps not for two strokes , but most modern two strokes are scooters so no loss there and proper two strokes from the 70s are exempt anyway due to classis status , money making scam , bikes should'nt have been included in the first place........




DAZZA FOR PM.........gets my vote   :thumbup


mtread thinks that means Post Mortem  :eek

Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 31 January 2019, 01:41:21 pm
Quote
mtread thinks that means Post Mortem 

Dazza's Alive! (Brian Blessed)
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 31 January 2019, 04:20:20 pm
Let's all keep our fingers crossed until the first C of C is received. I'm optimistic but have been stung before!! Dazza, whatever happens, thanks mate. I hate Khan and agree it stinks of a money making venture so Khan is left with a legacy. Twat!!
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: agricola on 31 January 2019, 07:36:49 pm
Received confirmation today that the NOX output for the Gen1 Fazer thou is 0.09. The limit is 0.15
This means that with a certificate of conformity it is exempt.
Great news for us all I believe.
I'm going to attempt to get the whole model included but as they've asked for engine and chassis number photographs I suspect that it's going to be issued on an individual basis.
I may still have some hoops to jump through as mine was a French import




Here is a copy of the reply email.
Good Afternoon,Thank you we have now been able to identify the machine, the NOx output is 0.09 (g/km). In regards to documentation to confirm this it would be a Certificate of Conformity required, the procedure as follows below.We believe that we are likely to be able to produce a Certificate of Conformity for the FZS1000 we would however ask you to be kind enough to e-mail the following:1)Name2)Full postal address3)Daytime telephone number4)A photograph of the VIN/Chassis Number stamped into the frame of the machine5)A photograph of the Engine Number which will be visible on the engine casing.Once we have the above information, we should be in a position to produce a Certificate of Conformity. Please be advised that being an import once information is presented we will have to request the document from Europe systems, we cannot guarantee the document is available for this imported unit.May we also advise that an administration fee of £60 (inc VAT) is applicable and may be paid by either debit or credit card. Due to the number of requests received, we are currently taking an average of 3-4 weeks once all information has been received to produce the letter and therefore will wait until we have produced a draft of the letter before contacting you by telephone to take your card payment.We once again thank you for contacting us and trust that the above information will be of assistance.


Great work, well done.



Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: PieEater on 01 February 2019, 04:34:46 pm
WTF is this thread about?
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Falcon 269 on 01 February 2019, 05:31:43 pm
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/motorcycles-mopeds-and-more?intcmp=54365
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: robbo on 01 February 2019, 07:43:19 pm
L
WTF is this thread about?
If you don't commute into London, don't worry about it.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Dynspud on 01 February 2019, 07:45:29 pm
.............yet   :eek
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: slappy on 01 February 2019, 08:16:29 pm
.............yet   :eek


Exactly,  Leeds has just announced its Clean Air Zone ( CAZ ) will start in January 2020.
£50 a day for buses, lorries and hgv that don't meet the emissions target and £50 a week for taxis and private hire vehicles.
No private vehicle charges yet but that won't be far behind.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 01 February 2019, 10:13:42 pm
So I contacted Yamaha UK, and because mine was originally a US model it was never tested. The BS of it all is the US/UK/Euro versions of the FZS1000 are all the fucking same in the carb, ignition dept.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 02 February 2019, 12:46:59 am
I feel your pain bikerdude. That's what modern life is all about.... Complete BS where ever you turn.
 Someone posted  this thread on the FB page with good intentions  and all of a sudden, It's a scam  !  :rolleyes
The thing is, I hardly go into London on my bike now, maybe once or twice a year.
I was willing to stump up the 60 rubs just to give it to TFL and Khan but when you've got your own biking community coming out with shit like this, even people that know you.
It makes me think, fuck it, let someone else do it.
Why have I felt the need to explain myself to fuckwits when my intentions were good.
Everyone seems to think they can sit back and let someone else sort it and any one who has been proactive and done something, gets accused of being a scammer.
It's beyond me. And as far as I'm concerned ...... Well, we'll see what I decided to do when Yamaha contact me again.


All I will say is, I've also been in contact with TFL to get the whole model exempted.
If I don't go through with it, you can thank the fuckwits on FB.  :wall




Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Trebus on 02 February 2019, 07:15:29 am
So I contacted Yamaha UK, and because mine was originally a US model it was never tested. The BS of it all is the US/UK/Euro versions of the FZS1000 are all the fucking same in the carb, ignition dept.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183609077280 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183609077280)

This would make it a UK bike......
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Dynspud on 02 February 2019, 09:24:04 am
Hey Dazza.
Don't get brought down by all the numpties out there in Facebook-land.
I am sure I speak for all the thou owners on this forum when I say what you are doing regards the ULEZ and TfL is amazing and we are all fully supportive of you.
I live in South Wales and will probably never take my thou into London but I am still behind you all the way.
Keep up the good work mate  :thumbup and all the assholes out there[/size], as Megadeth once sang, can "GO TO HELL" :foc
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: red98 on 02 February 2019, 09:46:57 am
 :agree .......muppets sat behind a keyboard typing sh*t without doing the homework first ,




Great work DAZZA....and not just for yourself if you get the model exempt  . Doing foccers a favour without asking for something in return.......NO, thats not how this forum works , breakfast on me next time we meet   :thumbup

Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: fatbloke62 on 02 February 2019, 11:13:12 am
Like others on here the ulez does not directly affect me but hats off to you dazza for  your efforts on this issue  :thumbup
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 02 February 2019, 02:55:22 pm
Dazza, take no notice of the twats on Facebook. I'm been in touch with Yamaha and waiting to hear. If its a no I will let people know as you will. Whilst it's a long shot we've got nothing to loose. I bet the twats jump on the bandwagon if it does go through!!
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: ogri48 on 02 February 2019, 03:50:46 pm

whats that old german poem?
"first they came for the socialists and I did not speak out, because I was not a socialist.
 then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist..
then they came for the jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a jew
then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me..."


This kinda shit will affect us all ultimately. The time to fight back is now, not when its too late.
big respect dazz, nicely done mate
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 02 February 2019, 04:38:10 pm
Yes Facebook idiots who just fire off without thinking :wall


Looks like MAG are doing something with the manufacturers, although whether our models get covered in time is another matter
http://www.mag-uk.org/en/newsdetail/a7395 (http://www.mag-uk.org/en/newsdetail/a7395)
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 02 February 2019, 04:52:03 pm
Cheers Foccers, yeah fuck em. I'm still going to fight it regardless of any negative comments.
Still waiting for a response from TFL about getting the whole model exempted.
Had a few things to say about other flaws too ...ie ...the midnight to midnight cut off and how it unfairly discriminates against night shift workers and why it needs to be 24/7
Not to mention the concession the cabbies have been given while they continue to belch out plumes of black smoke day and night.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 02 February 2019, 05:09:56 pm
So I contacted Yamaha UK, and because mine was originally a US model it was never tested. The BS of it all is the US/UK/Euro versions of the FZS1000 are all the fucking same in the carb, ignition dept.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183609077280 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183609077280)

This would make it a UK bike......
Avoid going down this route. Yamaha won't issue a certificate if the frame has been changed.
Better off waiting to see if TFL will exempt the whole model
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Mustang on 02 February 2019, 07:27:09 pm
How’s this, I don’t go to London on my bike, but I might want to, Same as I might want to go to Birmingham or York or other cities. I will give Gazza a £5 towards the coc on the basis he gets one and shares it with us or as said TFL add the bike to the exempt list. A few more of us chipping in and Gazzas not out of pocket.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: ogri48 on 02 February 2019, 09:16:11 pm
yup id be in for five squid..
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Dynspud on 02 February 2019, 10:33:16 pm
...me too.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 02 February 2019, 11:39:21 pm
Nice one lads, rest assured if I can get a certificate of conformity, I will be pressing TFL to exempt all Gen 1 Fazers and although it's not about the money, the gesture is well  appreciated.
As for MAG, I don't know what stage they're at or even if the gen1 Fazer is a priority of theirs.
I will copy and paste the reply from Yamaha regarding the CoC and TFL regarding the exemption and if it includes all the models.

It's always good to know in a world of everyone trying to fuck you over, the biking community is still tight on here at least.  :thumbup
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: robbo on 03 February 2019, 10:43:20 am
Dazza,
Like others have already posted, I too have no need to ride into London now, but would have prior to retiring. Members on here are very appreciative of the steps you've taken to hopefully achieve CoC status for our Gen 1's. They, and I, would like to contribute in some way as a token of  appreciation of your efforts. This is very refreshing in a world with an attitude of "sit back and let someone else do the legwork".
If you turn down the offer of contributions, then there's an awful lot of breakfasts you're going to have to chow down :lol .
Well done fellah :thumbup .
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 03 February 2019, 12:30:51 pm
I too would be very happy to contribute. I’d sooner give you my money than the Bastids at TFL!!
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Mustang on 03 February 2019, 01:29:36 pm
Just message your PayPal details Dazza we will pay when you want.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 03 February 2019, 01:52:29 pm
Nice one lads, rest assured if I can get a certificate of conformity, I will be pressing TFL to exempt all Gen 1 Fazers
This would be welcome, as I could potenially get my US model lumped into that list.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: An9dy on 04 February 2019, 11:24:11 am
Lets hope dazza is successful with TFL.


I tried the TFL vehicle checker webpage
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone/vrm-checker-ulez


I put my FZS1000 Reg No into the checker, and it came up with......  "You are subject to the ULEZ.  ".   

Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 04 February 2019, 12:23:47 pm
This is what Google tells us regarding NOx levels - Diesel cars must meet Euro 6 regulations to be exempt from the ULEZ charge. This had been set around the nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions levels of the engines, at 0.08g/km. The ULEZ standard is: Euro 3 for motorcycles.23 Oct 2017

Dazza's bike is 0.09g/KM, my 05 is 0.077g/KM. so long as TFL are not looking at any other obnoxious gas outputs it looks like we should be free. Just need to jump through some hops now!!
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Ripsnortingvtwin on 04 February 2019, 04:04:44 pm
got my email today

we can confirm your machine is euro 1 with a NOx output of 0.09 (g/km)

so mines good and as above
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 04 February 2019, 04:43:42 pm
The TFL site says they must meet Euro 3 and suggests that will mean registered after July 2007.

But looking at the detail of Euro 3 https://www.transportpolicy.net/standard/eu-motorcycles-emissions/ (https://www.transportpolicy.net/standard/eu-motorcycles-emissions/)
That means :
Over 150cc 0.15 g/km
Less than 150cc 0.80 g/km

So that's the target.
Seems a bit daft that little bikes have a higher limit :rolleyes



Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 04 February 2019, 08:36:42 pm
I've written to TFL asking them if my 0.09 g/km bike complies. I've also asked if it doesn't then why not? I'll update when I hear.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 04 February 2019, 08:54:38 pm

I've just been reading the emission regulations, see below:
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[font=&amp]Two-WheelersCO (g/km)HC (g/km)NOx (g/km) [/l]  Euro 2 2004.04.01 < 150 cc 5.50 1.20 0.30   ≥ 150 cc 5.50 1.00 0.30   Euro 3 2006.01.01 < 150 cc 2.00 0.80 0.15   ≥ 150 cc 2.00 0.30 0.15[/size][/font]Whilst we meet the NOx I think we are going to fail the CO and HC. Those are the two outputs that have changed dramatically between Euro 1, 2 & 3. Lets see what TFL say.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 04 February 2019, 09:08:45 pm

Sorry, format gone bad.


Euro 2 -  CO - 5.50          HC - 1.0          NOx - 0.3


Euro 3 -  CO - 2.0            HC - 0.3          NOx - 0.15


Look at the reduction in CO and HC between Euro 2 and Euro 3


The certificate of conformity will show my 2004 Fazer is Euro 1 & my 2005 Fazer is Euro 2 albeit both having a lower NOx value than required to comply.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 04 February 2019, 10:03:35 pm
As far as I'm aware TFL are only measuring the NOx.
CO2 affects the climate (allegedly) but isn't a pollutant. We exhale CO2 and plants breathe it  :)

Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 05 February 2019, 06:06:56 am
Lets hope you are correct. The Hydro Carbons are also higher on  a Euro 2 than a Euro 3 by about 3 times!!
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Ripsnortingvtwin on 05 February 2019, 08:33:52 pm
spoke to mag today , they said they are seeing tlf very soon and hopr to hav esome more info on there web site soon . they also said you can send in yourself but this will most likey only give you emption and not the bike range . so i surpose we have to go it alone or wiat un till they have there next meeting
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 06 February 2019, 06:15:09 am
It is £60 for a Certificate of Conformity. I would give it a go if TFL were basing their calculations on NOx alone but as they have specifically said Euro 3 they must be taking into account the other pollutants. My 04 Fazer 1000 is Euro 1 and my 05 Fazer is Euro 2. Both meet NOx but both fail HC and CO when compared to a Euro 3.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Fazerjon on 07 February 2019, 08:06:14 am
Hi people, this is a copy of the reply I got from TFL.

Thank you for your enquiry received on 01 February 2019, regarding the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ).
If you believe that any information provided by our checker is incorrect, on receipt of evidence of the vehicles Euro
standard, we would investigate further and where necessary amend our records to reflect the correct status of your
vehicle.
In order to investigate compliance status of your vehicle we advise you to provide us with vehicle registration
document (V5C) that contains the Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) value and Particulate matter (PM) value (if diesel), we can
confirm the compliance status of your vehicle. Please check that the NOx and if applicable the PM value is recorded on
the V5c, usually these are detailed in sections V.3 and V.5 respectively.
If these values are not recorded on the V5c you will need to provide a copy of the vehicle's Conformity Certificate which
you can obtain from the vehicle manufacturer. Alternatively you may wish to contact the vehicle manufacturer's
homologation department. They will need to provide you with a letter signed by a named individual from the
homologation department which contains the following information (a letter from customer services or a dealer will not
be accepted):
- Vehicle registration mark (VRM)
- Vehicle identification number (VIN)
- Euro standard the vehicle was manufactured to
- Fuel Type
- Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) value
and
- Particulate matter (PM) value (if diesel)
You can complete an online enquiry form and upload your proof at tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone.
If you have any questions, please visit tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone or call us on 0343 222 2222
(textphone 0207 649 9123 if you have impaired hearing).
Yours sincerely
D. Milton
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 07 February 2019, 06:33:53 pm
TFL has ignored my email so far so I sent them another mentioning that I will be at 55 Broadway St James Park tonight for a London Underground IT forum and will be paying them a visit in person as they share the same building  :D


Then this afternoon, lo and behold, they replied.
No mention of exempting the whole model. It looks as though they are going to want a COC for each bike but I will ask them again once I have the certificate.


This is the email....


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TRANSPORT
FOR LONDON


Ref: 12958204
7 February 2019
Dear Mr Gorman
Thank you for your email of 31 January regarding your vehicle and the ULEZ.
I'm sorry to hear about the concerns you have with the introduction of the ULEZ and I appreciate the time you've taken to contact us.

The ULEZ
We do understand the difficulties some families may face because of having a vehicle that doesn’t meet the ULEZ standards.
However, the ULEZ does not require the purchase of an expensive new vehicle. Euro 4 compliant petrol cars have been available from around 2000, meaning there are affordable second-hand vehicles available. Furthermore, as part of the Mayor’s Healthy Streets approach, we are encouraging people to walk, cycle or take public transport as much as possible instead of relying on their private car.
Cities around the country are implementing Clean Air Zones and it makes sense for the government to adopt a national approach to minimising impacts on families and businesses as we deliver vitally needed improvements to our air quality. This is a national issue that requires a national solution and we are urging Londoners to write to their local MP to raise this issue with Government.
For more information on the ULEZ ahead of its launch please visit our website using the link below:
tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone (https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone)
You mention that your motorcycle's NOx emission levels meets the standard to be exempt from the ULEZ. If you could send us a copy of your V5C or your certificate of conformity confirming the NOx emission levels of your vehicle, we can look to ensure that this motorcycle is included in the exemption list, thus giving you an option to travel into the city without having to pay the charge.
Thanks again for contacting us. If there is anything else we can help you with, please reply to this email. Alternatively, you can call us on 0343 222 1234 and we'll be happy to help you.
Kind regards

Kristian Lewis
Customer Service Adviser
Transport for London Customer Services

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Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 07 February 2019, 07:05:46 pm

It is a positive response. No mention of meeting CO or HC levels. If they are only looking at NOx levels then it might just work.


I can get my photograph's etc. together at the weekend and apply for my C of C, its £60 a time though!!
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 07 February 2019, 08:58:11 pm
Can't we just send them a letter with our reg no saying 'my bike's the same as Dazza's'?  :)
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 07 February 2019, 09:13:30 pm
Can't we just send them a letter with our reg no saying 'my bike's the same as Dazza's'?  :)



That would be too easy!!!
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Mustang on 08 February 2019, 09:33:26 am
Alternatively you may wish to contact the vehicle manufacturer'shomologation department

This would be better as homologation would, I would hope, in law cover the whole manufactured fleet of bikes.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Ripsnortingvtwin on 13 February 2019, 08:49:31 am
dazza

any news on the fazer getting a pass ?????
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 13 February 2019, 01:10:44 pm
Not yet, still waiting on Yamaha for the COC.
Going to email TFL again and get a more definitive answer as to the certainty for exemption but as far as I can see, once I get the conformity cert, it's in the bag.
Not ready to give up on the old girl yet, that's for certain.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Ripsnortingvtwin on 13 February 2019, 01:15:10 pm
some here , i have seen 2 other guys get older bikes passed so sure you get your done , i use mine to go to london each day so really hoping you get this

all the best and thanks 
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 13 February 2019, 02:05:40 pm
I've written to TFL and provided the figures for my 05 Gen1. I have asked them to confirm if its worth me paying £60 for the C of C. If they are only interested in NOx then we can all get exemption.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 13 February 2019, 03:06:54 pm
Probably too late now but I wouldn't provide them with any other figures other than the NOx.
As far as I'm aware, that's all they are going by.
Giving them too much information is IMO giving them other reasons to deny exemption.
But then it's not about the money ( I know this because they told me so)  :rolleyes so we should still be alright. :)
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 13 February 2019, 05:30:17 pm
But surely the CoC will include all of the emission readings?
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 13 February 2019, 05:57:37 pm
I won't know till I receive one.
What figures did you give them and where did you get them from ?
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 14 February 2019, 06:12:16 am
I won't know till I receive one.
What figures did you give them and where did you get them from ?

I gave then the CO and HC figures which came from Yamaha Customer Service.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Fazerjon on 14 February 2019, 05:41:59 pm
I hope it’s just the NOx figures they’re after then, or we could all be doomed......!!
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 16 February 2019, 10:49:19 am

Extract from a letter I've just received from TFL after I supplied details of my CO and HC which were both higher than a Euro 3 engine.:


The motorcycles/mopeds need to achieve a NOx of equal or below 0.15 (Euro 3) to be ULEZ compliant.
Therefore, we would require a copy of your vehicle's Conformity Certificate along with a copy of your vehicle registration document (V5c) in order for us to confirm the compliance status of your vehicle.


It is still very positive. I think I'll apply for the C of C and see how it goes.

Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 17 February 2019, 08:56:08 pm
So looks like my bandit is also eligible for a CoC, but in typical Suzuki Style they are ripping us off for the privilege - https://bikes.suzuki.co.uk/contact-us/certificate-of-conformity/  £95 and its a bank transfer so if they do a runner with your money there isnt much you can do about it.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 18 February 2019, 06:16:15 am
Why would Suzuki do a runner with your money? I would have thought you would have been pleased, you might not need to upgrade to a post 2007 now?
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 18 February 2019, 10:05:29 am
Putting it into context, with the ULEZ charge at £12.50 a day, £60 is a week's worth and £95 is a week and a half. So with a CoC you'd be in profit pretty quickly.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 19 February 2019, 07:57:37 pm
Is anyone else having trouble emailing TFL ?
I've had about 7 emails failed to send today.
I'm beginning to think that they've turned off their email communication ability due to the amount of correspondence.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Ripsnortingvtwin on 20 February 2019, 08:48:50 am
do hope not dazza , time is getting short now so hope to here you have good news soon !
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 26 February 2019, 01:46:15 pm
Received my COC in the post today and emailed it straight away to TFL along with previous copies of emails they have failed to respond to.
Their customer service is appalling and if I don't get a reply to producing the certificate I'm going to lodge a formal complaint and deliver it by hand to their offices in StJames Park.
Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, now I have the certificate it conforms to the NOx limit and should be exempt.


The bad news is that due to no response from them regarding getting the whole model exempted and the fact that each certificate is bike specific. It appears that this has got to be done on an individual basis.


The good news is, it's possible and can be done.


Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 26 February 2019, 02:46:47 pm
Thanks Dazza, I am about three weeks behind you. I have spoken to my company and as I will be saving them £12.50 per day on charges, they have agreed to pay for the C of C. I have two Fazers so two C of C's required.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Ripsnortingvtwin on 26 February 2019, 04:19:11 pm
well thats sad news looks like i need to get on with mine now if this is the case ??? dazza ??
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 02 March 2019, 06:00:10 pm
Just a word of advice to everyone considering this course of action..DONT PAY YAMAHA any money yet !


TFL's latest communication with me has only just mentioned  Euro 3 compliance and given me a link which includes the CO as well as the NOx.
If I had had this information sooner it may have saved me £60.




There is a good chance that it may be rejected as the CO is not compliant.


Pretty pissed off to be honest seeing as TFL have been very slow to reply and give me all the information I required up until now.
They have given me the absolute impression that it was the harmful  NOx that was the all important factor.


My advice is....Lets see what happens before you pay for your certificate of conformity from Yamaha.







Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 02 March 2019, 10:09:44 pm
That's nonsense isn't it. Because CO2 isn't a pollutant and doesn't cause breathing problems.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 02 March 2019, 10:36:18 pm
That's nonsense isn't it. Because CO2 isn't a pollutant and doesn't cause breathing problems.
Trouble is, it's not CO2, it's CO which I believe is Carbon monoxide.
So yes, it may well get rejected as carbon monoxide is a harmful gas.
My gripe is that up until now, TFL have only mentioned NOx


A typical case of moving the goalposts  :wall


Still, even if my attempt fails....at least I tried.
It's  the only way to look at it.


In the meantime, I don't want anyone else to waste their money paying Yamaha for a COC.

Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 02 March 2019, 11:39:20 pm
O bugger. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 03 March 2019, 12:20:06 am
More research - This is the original paper put out by TFL for the scheme
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/appendix_c1_supporting_information_document_-_copy.pdf (https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/appendix_c1_supporting_information_document_-_copy.pdf)
Lots in there, but para 2.1 sets out the basis of the charge and sets the omissions level as Euro 3 for bikes, but all of the measurements to prove the need are based on NOx (and PM for diesels only)
However the letter from TFL on which MAG are campaigning
https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/loophole-means-older-motorbikes-may-still-qualify-for-ulez-exemption/ (https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/loophole-means-older-motorbikes-may-still-qualify-for-ulez-exemption/)
Seems to make it quite clear that it's only the NOx (and PM) component of Euro 3 which is relevant.
So as you say, if they are back tracking on their own advice, then the goalposts are well and truly being moved.
Might be worth keeping an eye on the MAG page http://www.mag-uk.org/ (http://www.mag-uk.org/) for any updates
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 03 March 2019, 01:06:15 am
Yeah, nice one mtread. May use this info if they do try and reject my claim of exemption.
I'll wait and see what the next email from them contains. :thumbup
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: steve 10562cc on 03 March 2019, 06:51:59 am
Dazza Don't be hard on yourself it was never about pollution just collecting extra revenue. You could have carried your bike in on your back with no engine in it in the ULEZ and the paint would have been the wrong colour you or any of us will ever reach the goalposts. It's all about the mayor swelling his coffers to spend on his pet projects.   
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: red98 on 03 March 2019, 07:55:37 am
Bit of a set back DAZZA  :thumbdown ....still a glimmer of hope though , good or bad breakfast is still on me......
you got to try  :thumbup :thumbup
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 03 March 2019, 10:17:14 am
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183609077280  (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183609077280)This would make it a UK bike......
Nice idea, but I don't have anywhere I could do the swap. Also how can a breaker guarantee the frame is 100% straight..?
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 03 March 2019, 10:36:24 am
Looks like MAG are doing something with the manufacturers, although whether our models get covered in time is another matter [url]http://www.mag-uk.org/en/newsdetail/a7395[/url] ([url]http://www.mag-uk.org/en/newsdetail/a7395[/url])

Ah its nice to see MAG are still around, if they can get someone for older bike to be exempt I would happily sign up again.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 03 March 2019, 10:45:40 am
TFL's latest communication with me has only just mentioned  Euro 3 compliance and given me a link which includes the CO as well as the NOx. If I had had this information sooner it may have saved me £60.
Im on a TFL related note the last email i got from them which would suggest they dont know what they are doing and we can probably use this to our advantage-

Quote
Dear XXX
Our Ref: TFL-592293-1550656980
Customer Account Number: N/A

Thank you for your enquiry received on 14 February 2019, regarding the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ). Please be advise that you can provide a letter on headed paper from the manufacturer's Technical Department confirming the vehicle's Euro standard, with a copy of the vehicle registration document (V5c) confirming Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) emissions. The letter from the manufacturer must include the vehicle identification number (VIN) as well.

If you have any questions, please visit tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone or call us on 0343 222 2222 (textphone 0207 649 9123 if you have impaired hearing).

Yours sincerely

D. Milton (Contracts & Operations manager)
This would suggest all we need is a letter from Yahama confirming that the FZS1000 is Euro3 status for that model and the left hand side of the V5C that shows the N03 output level and VIN.

You have both of these so TFL should just issue you with an exemption and stock dicking around.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 03 March 2019, 10:52:22 am
@Admins, you should probably consider pinning this thread.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 03 March 2019, 01:07:15 pm
I'm guessing that the 1000 and 600 aren't fully Euro 3 compliant for all of the tests,  but the 1000 at least does meet the Euro 3 NOx test. And that's why TFL are hesitating. They've boxed themselves into a corner.
Their automated system will rely on checking reg plates against dvla records. For more recent models the NOx is recorded on the v5, but for our models it isn't. What's also relevant is that the words 'Euro3' dont actually appear on the v5, and presumably isn't known by dvla. My 'Euro3' compliant Tiger's v5 just shows the various NOx. Co etc exhaust emissions which are held on the DVLA database.
I'm also thinking that Yamaha etc tested a sample bike for CoC, and that ours are associated with it by vin numbers.
So TFL have a problem. If CoCs are showing whole ranges of bikes pass NOx tests, TFL have got to work out a way of exempting them. If we all write in and say 'my bike is the same as one you've exempted by CoC' then TFL have got lots of admin to do. If they fine people who then appeal, and it turns out they shouldn't have been charged, then that's lots of admin.
That's why I think there's a pause. Government organisations don't like lots of admin, or so I believe  :)

Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 05 March 2019, 08:48:23 pm
For more recent models the NOx is recorded on the v5, but for our models it isn't.
Are you sure because my 2006 bandit has all those details in the V5.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 05 March 2019, 08:52:39 pm
Sorry, meant for FZS600 and FZS1000s it isn't.  My 2004 Speed Triple also has NOx recorded (it's a fail)
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 05 March 2019, 08:54:52 pm
Received my COC in the post today
I can't believe that doc cost £60, its a low qaulity print out and there is only 2 bits of information that differ from one FZS1000 to the next - the vin and the date - what utter and complete bureaucratic B$.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 05 March 2019, 10:56:37 pm
Apparently other manufacturers charge more.
Anyway, as I said before, that's just 5 days worth of ulez charges.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 06 March 2019, 02:08:36 pm
Starting to lose patience with these fuckers now.  My latest communication with them, well, I say communication but that implies a two way conversation which it is not. :wall





Dear Sir,
I find myself again having to chase you up regarding my motorcycle exemption for the ULEZ.
I have jumped through all the hoops, provided you with my V5 and COC at personal expense to myself.
May I remind you that all of your available information has been based on the NOx output which I have proven to be below the threshold on my machine.
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/appendix_c1_supporting_information_document_-_copy.pdf (https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/appendix_c1_supporting_information_document_-_copy.pdf)
I would also like to point out that every intelligent human being concerned with this understands that motorcycles are not part of the problem, they are the solution.
To measure a pollutant in g/km is systematically flawed as a motorcycle and a car drive very differently through London.
A car will be at the mercy of the traffic whereas a motorcycle can filter making the journey quicker and more efficient.
I understand MAG have been in communication with yourselves regarding this matter and I wonder if they are experiencing the same level of miscommunication.
I will be contacting MAG shortly to verify this.
https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/loophole-means-older-motorbikes-may-still-qualify-for-ulez-exemption/ (https://www.bikerandbike.co.uk/loophole-means-older-motorbikes-may-still-qualify-for-ulez-exemption/)
So, in summary, this whole ULEZ is inherently flawed and discriminates against night workers, poorer people and contractors who come in from outside London to maintain the infrastructure of your city day and night.
You say it's not about the money but it clearly is as if you are willing to pay, you seem to have no problem in allegedly allowing us to continue to pollute the air around London.
The crazy thing about it is, if I were to own a 40 year old gas guzzling, smoke belching vehicle, it would be exempt. That makes no sense at all.
As said before, based on the information I have been given by you and your websites, I have proven that my machine is compliant but I see that in your latest communication you mention Euro 3.
It is obvious that my machine is pre Euro 3 hence why I'm having to produce a COC.
I do hope this is not the start of TFL moving the goalposts.
It may be obvious that I'm getting a little frustrated with the lack of action and communication from yourselves as the 8th April (http://foc-u.co.uk/x-apple-data-detectors://4) is fast approaching and my motorcycle offers me a way of getting Into work while I save enough money to upgrade my car.
I have contacted you on several occasions before I applied for a COC asking you to confirm with the information given to me that if I were to pay out for a COC that you would definitely exempt my vehicle. Again, you failed to reply.
I feel your customer service is extremely lacking and I suspect, you are probably realising that the way the ULEZ has been structured is riddled with loopholes and flaws.
Please can you reply to this email with a view to confirming my exemption so that I can use my motorcycle to get to work.
Many thanks


Regards
DAZZA  (MBE, OBE, Hoop jumper extraordinaire and thoroughly pissed off customer)
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Ripsnortingvtwin on 06 March 2019, 03:05:21 pm
fight on dazza , i'am hope you win or the bike of no use  in a few weeks !!!!
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: tommyardin on 06 March 2019, 06:57:29 pm
fight on dazza , i'am hope you win or the bike of no use  in a few weeks !!!!


That is encouraging  :'( [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 06 March 2019, 07:37:41 pm
My reply from MAG via email -
Quote

With respect to ULEZ, the current situation is as follows.  The initial implementation (due 8th April 2019) will cover the same geographic boundaries as the current Congestion Charging Zone.  In 2021 the boundaries will be extended out to the north and south circulars.  Current requirements for motorcycles to be exempted from the charge is Euro3 (implemented July 2007).  Non-compliant motorcycles will be charged £12.50 per day.
MAG have successfully demonstrated that many pre Euro3 motorcycles are compliant with the Euro3 NO2 emission standard of 0.15ug/km.  On that basis we have gained acceptance from TfL that any motorcycle proven to be compliant with the NO2 limit of 0.15ug/km will be given individual exemption on a bike by bike basis.  This places burden of proof on the individual owner.  Proof can be provided in the form of a Certificate of Conformity supplied by the manufacturer (application for a CoC in some cases can cost up to £150, dependent on the manufacturer), or by having the individual emissions of the bike tested at a certified test centre.  To date we are still awaiting definition from TfL of the relevant test and certification of the testing facilities that will be accepted.
 Naturally we are pushing that the exemption should be applied to all compliant pre Euro3 bikes, with no burden of proof placed on the owner, but this is yet to be accepted by TfL.  Given that the time remaining before implementation is now just 6 weeks, we have formally requested a delay to the implementation of charging for motorcycles due to the delays caused at TfL’s end to resolve the outstanding technical issues.
Overarching all this, we continue to argue for a blanket exemption for all motorcycles of any age and a policy to promote modal shift from single occupancy cars to motorcycles to reduce congestion and emissions.
Regarding the line -
Quote
To date we are still awaiting definition from TfL of the relevant test and certification of the testing facilities that will be accepted.
I have spoke to TFL and they dont fucking know and told me to speak to VOSA who themselves don't fucking know and are getting fucked of with TFL sending people to them. Vosa did suggest taking my bike to a class 4 MOT testing station which I did on Saturday but because they are not up for motorcycles the figures they got when they poked their senser up my pipe (pun intended) the Co2, HCL and Lambda numbers did not marry up to what we should be seeing for that bike.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 06 March 2019, 08:19:50 pm
But it's TFL that are laying down the legislation, nothing to do with VOSA.
As Dazza says, I strongly suspect they are now realising they've created a massive loophole. Their advice about 'pre 2007' bikes is too vague, as is even Euro 3 when our bikes weren't tested for Euro 3.
Of course, there's a simple solution option available to them..... exempt all bikes.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 09 March 2019, 05:36:13 pm
MAG have written to TFL requesting a postponement
 http://www.mag-uk.org/en/newsdetail/a7404 (http://www.mag-uk.org/en/newsdetail/a7404)
They give several reasons, but the last bullet point is telling. Makes the point about TFL having to refund bikers who have proved their bikes are under the emissions limits. MAG have picked up that TFL are in trouble.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: red98 on 09 March 2019, 06:04:44 pm
We might be all better off backing MAG rather than getting exempt individually , its been said on here that bikes are not the problem they are the answer.......strength in numbers and all that...
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 09 March 2019, 06:46:09 pm
Yep, might be useful if MAG are advised of any models where the manufacturer has advised us of the NOx level. Anybody asked about the 600 yet? I'm happy to write to Yam.

Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: midden on 11 March 2019, 12:07:01 pm
For more recent models the NOx is recorded on the v5, but for our models it isn't.
Are you sure because my 2006 bandit has all those details in the V5.



I thought it funny how Dazza keeps letting us know he has a MT10  But way to go  b1k3rdude  :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: midden on 11 March 2019, 12:12:06 pm
We might be all better off backing MAG rather than getting exempt individually , its been said on here that bikes are not the problem they are the answer.......strength in numbers and all that...



To be fair Bikes are only the answer until the streets of London are jam-packed with them.
As it stands at the moment I will have to increase pollution by using my old diesel to the outskirts to catch a train in to work.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 15 March 2019, 08:26:00 am
We might be all better off backing MAG rather than getting exempt individually , its been said on here that bikes are not the problem they are the answer.......strength in numbers and all that...
Quote
04-03-2019 MAG recommends ULEZ ‘breathing space’ for motorcycles

MAG has asked London authorities to allow time with bikers to prevent an angry, administratively nightmarish chaos over ULEZ charges for motorcycles.

MAG met with former Chair of the Transport Committee on the Greater London Authority, Keith Prince AM, at London’s City Hall to seek a postponement for motorcycles from the ULEZ pollution charges for older motorbikes. This was supplemented by a formal letter (link HERE (https://wiki.mag-uk.org/images/9/97/20190301163936590.pdf)) to the Mayor, Sadiq Khan, requesting the postponement.  Reasons identified for the postponement of the charges include:
  • The Mayor and TfL haven’t yet grasped issues relating to the introduction of the ULEZ charge for older bikes. This means eleventh-hour panic could lead to ill-considered, knee jerk decisions from bikers and also from policy makers.
  • Postponing ULEZ on motorcycles has a tiny impact on emissions. By TfL’s own figures fewer than 4,000 bikes will be non-compliant with Euro 3 – a figure itself already declining through entirely legitimate individual exemptions.
  • ULEZ as it stands means the certainty of injustice, as one biker can be charged whilst riding next to a biker with an identical bike that’s exempt.
  • Postponement can still lead to charging in 2021 if evidence proves the case for it. Currently TfL has no meaningful evidence on motorcycle emissions, nor effective modelling techniques to know the positive effect of modal shift to powered two wheelers. A delay provides time to measure real world emissions and journey time-savings – which will also reduce congestion and thus secondary emissions.
  • The social impact on the poorest road users, who can often only afford older motorcycles and scooters for their commuting needs, has been totally ignored and turns the ULEZ charges into a regressive tax against the least wealthy.
  • TfL has yet to justify the disproportionate effect of charging motorcycles, which would have to pay the same as older cars, while newer cars get in for free.
MAG’s Director of Communications & Public Affairs, Lembit Öpik, warns: ‘there’s a pressing need to take all of this into account to avoid administrative nightmares and injustices. Many motorcycles facing the charge are operating at emissions levels below the ULEZ emissions thresholds. TfL would be obliged to refund any payments made by those riders. So let’s be sensible and postpone this charge, before the whole thing descends into chaos.’

So I have renewed my ancient subs to MAG, due to the work they are doing on our behalf regarding ULEZ.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Mustang on 21 March 2019, 08:33:43 pm
Seen this on a fireblade page on fb.






If your old blade doesn’t comply with ULEZ take it to riverbank motorcycles in Hackney Wick tel:0208 983 4896 they are the only TfL certified test centre and my 98 blade now complies 👍🏼
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: blackcabbie on 22 March 2019, 09:19:50 am
how about your gen 1 fazer ?????
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 22 March 2019, 01:36:25 pm
Ok......Everybody, get on this now. Get your certificates of conformity from Yamaha if you haven't already done so.


Sorry but it would appear bikes have to be exempted on an individual basis.


Get your details to TFL and stick it to them. :2guns




Success ...... Here is a copy of my latest email after my last 3 emails were ignored and I started a  formal complaint.




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TRANSPORT
FOR LONDON


Ref: 13076164
22 March 2019
Dear Mr Gorman
Thank you for your follow up emails regarding the ULEZ and your motorcycles exemption from the charge.
I'm sorry for the delay in responding to your latest correspondences and I appreciate the time you've taken to get back in contact with us.
I can confirm that your vehicle (Yamaha FZS1000. EU03KXX) has been added to the ULEZ exemptions list and will not be subject to the ULEZ charge. However, the update won’t be reflected on the online Vehicle Checker until just before the scheme goes live. Nevertheless, this will not be an issue and you will not be subject to the ULEZ charge. .
Regarding motorcycles being subject to the ULEZ, hard-hitting measures are required to tackle London’s air pollution problems and to dramatically reduce harmful emissions from transport. To achieve this, we must reduce emissions from all vehicle types in London. This is why motorcycles are included in the ULEZ.
The Mayor’s Transport Strategy sets out the role that motorcycles and other powered two wheelers can play in London’s future transport system. They have an important role in many Londoners’ lives and businesses, helping not only to get people around the city, but in moving and delivering a huge range of goods.
Exhaust emissions regulation for motorcycles began later than for passenger cars and have since lagged behind the trajectory of emissions controls used for other vehicles. This means that, although motorcycles may contribute a relatively small proportion of total emissions, they can be highly polluting on an individual basis.
The ULEZ requires the Euro 3 standard for motorcycles, which is lower than the standards for other vehicle types. Euro 3 became mandatory for all new motorcycles in 2007. The vast majority of motorcycles already meet the Euro 3 standard and we estimate that over 80 per cent of motorcycle kilometres driven in the ULEZ in 2019 will be compliant. For 125cc four stroke motorcycles, the most popular selling class, we estimate that around 90 per cent of motorcycle kilometres driven in the ULEZ in 2019 will be compliant.
Thanks again for contacting us. If there is anything else we can help you with, please reply to this email. Alternatively, you can call us on 0343 222 1234 and we'll be happy to help you.
Kind regards

Kristian Lewis
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Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 22 March 2019, 02:41:18 pm
Well done Dazza £££££ No news on the MAG site, so yes it looks like individual bikes. Even so,  £60 spent on a CoC is less than a week's worth of £12.50s, and it lasts forever as well as including the expanded zone (if that happens).


I've just written to Yamaha asking about the NOx level for the FZS600. I'll post what answer I get.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 22 March 2019, 04:41:37 pm
Bad news for the 600 :'(
Figure for NOx is too high anyway.


Good Afternoon,
Thank you for your enquiry.
We do however regret to advise that only models constructed to comply with European Whole Vehicle Type Approval, regulations that were not fully introduced until 2003, will qualify for a CoC.
Due to the age of your machine it was not subject to European Whole Type Approval testing, in this instance we can only advise the NOx output for the Model code, therefore a machine of that model of a similar age, which was 0.185 (g/km).
We apologise we are not able to be of assistance.
Kind Regards


Customer Service
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 22 March 2019, 07:21:25 pm
Well done Dazza, I have been waiting for just over a week for my response, I think I'll chase them again on Monday.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 22 March 2019, 07:42:04 pm
My emails to TFL are now being returned.

What email address are you using to make contact. I am getting the following message:

These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server:
cclondon@cclondon.com; Failed; 5.3.0 (other or undefined mail system status)

    Remote MTA smtp.tflcc.co.uk: network error


 - SMTP protocol diagnostic: 550 5.7.1 86.182.39.210 listed at zen.spamhaus.org
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 22 March 2019, 07:57:06 pm
I had a spate of that. It's a conspiracy I tell ya.


Stalling tactics


Keep at them, I've been emailing them at ...      Customerservice@tfl.gov.uk  or try this

customerservice@tfl.gov.uk

You can contact them online but I found their website long winded and hard to navigate.


Keep plugging away, you'll get there.


Everyone else who uses their thou to commute into London and even those who visit occasionally.


Get on it, get our beloved thou's exempted and help keep them one of the most affordable, desirable and best all round machines on the market. :D









Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Mustang on 22 March 2019, 08:22:27 pm
When did kilometres become the unit of distance travelled in the uk?
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: coffee on 22 March 2019, 08:44:09 pm
When did kilometres become the unit of distance travelled in the uk?







dead right mate. :finger
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 22 March 2019, 08:49:36 pm
I had a spate of that. It's a conspiracy I tell ya.


Stalling tactics


Keep at them, I've been emailing them at ...      Customerservice@tfl.gov.uk  or try this

customerservice@tfl.gov.uk

You can contact them online but I found their website long winded and hard to navigate.


Keep plugging away, you'll get there.


Everyone else who uses their thou to commute into London and even those who visit occasionally.


Get on it, get our beloved thou's exempted and help keep them one of the most affordable, desirable and best all round machines on the market. :D



I've just send another email. I'll phone on Monday if I get another non delivery. Bastids!!
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Ripsnortingvtwin on 23 March 2019, 11:43:18 am
ok guys here's an up date for you , i spoke to riverbank motorcycles in hackney wick .
he said they can test your bike to see if its will pass or not  this is the best part for NOX only ... IF IT COMES UNDER THE FIGURE THEY THEN UPLOAD THE RESULT TO THE TFL DATABASE AND THEN YOU THEN HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEM TO GIVE YOU YOUR EXEMPTION......................
so we are still looking on the thou's the cost is £165 but it cheaper then a new bike there number to book your bike in is 0208 983 4896 
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: blackcabbie on 23 March 2019, 08:32:35 pm
this must be a flawed system.....2 identical fazer 1000s in the ulez zone, one with a coc, the other without....... the one without the coc  gets a fine, but that must be contestable if you have an identical bike...... i think i'll wait for mag to see if they get block exemptions
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 24 March 2019, 11:46:37 am
so we are still looking on the thou's the cost is £165 but it cheaper then a new bike there number to book your bike in is 0208 983 4896
£165...??!!! how exactly are they justifying that amount..?
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 24 March 2019, 11:07:20 pm
This is interestinghttps://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ulez_exemptions_for_pre_euro_3_m (https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ulez_exemptions_for_pre_euro_3_m)MAG's recent Freedom of Information request to TFL about exemptions. From tfl's response it looks like exemptions will have to be on a bike by bike basis, rather than attributed to whole models.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 25 March 2019, 05:26:13 am
And this is what you're up against.
In the e-mail TFL sent me it clearly identifies my bike as a Yamaha FZS1000,  then quotes the reg number.
This is copied and pasted from the link you posted from them.....


[size=0px]When we update a vehicle record to make it compliant with ULEZ we do not [/size][/color][size=0px]record the make and model of the vehicle being updated. We do however record the vehicle registration.


Complete load of bollocks and totally contradicts what they wrote to me.
For those who still want to wait for MAG to do it for them.....I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 25 March 2019, 06:19:19 am
Proves to me its money, not saving the planet!! Bastids
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: steve 10562cc on 25 March 2019, 08:37:08 am
Was any one under the illusion it was the health of those that live and work in London, it was always about how much money they could rip the motorist off for. They must have some more  balloons or other pet non essential project to pay for. 
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 25 March 2019, 02:25:52 pm
I still think TFL have cocked up here, and MAG know that. TFL haven't defined the process of applying for exemption. They can't get away with saying they don't record the model just because of cost. Anybody who can prove their model is the same as one which has been successfully exempted would win an appeal in court. Plus costs. TFL can't afford that to happen.
I think there's still some way to go on this, but as Dazza says, if you want to be certain from the start, get it done.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 02 April 2019, 01:07:09 pm
so we are still looking on the thou's the cost is £165 but it cheaper then a new bike there number to book your bike in is 0208 983 4896
£165...??!!! how exactly are they justifying that amount..?
Ok so gave this bike shop a call just now and its not good -
As I have more than one bike I cannot and will not justify £175 just to see if my fazer will pass.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 02 April 2019, 06:28:40 pm
Call me an old sceptic, but some of this doesn't ring true. TFL told them what equipment to buy to test for NOx? Very unlikely TFL would do that, or even know what. Also their price keeps changing. And why aren't other garages doing it?



Could just be just an opportunist relying on fear and gullibility
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 02 April 2019, 06:49:58 pm
Just been thinking about this and googled NOx testing equipment.
Then it suddenly dawned on me, I've got an emissions tester tucked away in my shed.
The problem is getting TFL to accept your findings.


https://www.e-inst.com/training/measuring-nitrogen-oxides-nox/ (https://www.e-inst.com/training/measuring-nitrogen-oxides-nox/)


Might get it fired up in the next few days and find an exhaust pipe to stick it up !  :eek





Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: midden on 02 April 2019, 07:28:04 pm
Just been thinking about this and googled NOx testing equipment.
Then it suddenly dawned on me, I've got an emissions tester tucked away in my shed.
The problem is getting TFL to accept your findings.


https://www.e-inst.com/training/measuring-nitrogen-oxides-nox/ (https://www.e-inst.com/training/measuring-nitrogen-oxides-nox/)


Might get it fired up in the next few days and find an exhaust pipe to stick it up !  :eek



I'm sure my pipe will be free at the weekend hun ;)     whether or not TfL accept the findings   they could be used as an indicator of whether it is worth forking out the £175
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: midden on 02 April 2019, 07:30:39 pm
[font=]b1k3rdude  out of interest what two bikes have you got?[/font]
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 03 April 2019, 10:40:23 pm
b1k3rdude  out of interest what two bikes have you got?
2006 Bandit 1200 and 2010 bandit 1250, I bought the 1250 before I knew I could get a CoC for the 1200.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 08 April 2019, 09:41:36 pm
Punched my reg number into the ULEZ checker tonight and .......Bingo  :)


Actually working at Edgware Road tonight but the Bakerloo line which is the other side of the road, so not included in the ULEZ.
If I were to take a left turn and go to the circle line station it would cost me £12.50.... Actually, £25 if I were to get there before midnight  :eek .
Still haven't upgraded my car yet as I can feel a new challenge coming on......... :lol
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: midden on 08 April 2019, 09:48:38 pm
b1k3rdude  out of interest what two bikes have you got?
2006 Bandit 1200 and 2010 bandit 1250, I bought the 1250 before I knew I could get a CoC for the 1200.



Bummer  :groan
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 08 April 2019, 10:47:33 pm
Thought MAG were going to put together a list of which bike models /years pass the NOx test. Nothing on their site  :(
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 09 April 2019, 12:52:45 am
 :rolleyes
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 09 April 2019, 10:43:34 am
''Following a productive meeting with the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, regarding motorcycles in the Capital, MAG is engaged in seeking information from manufacturers which will help you secure an exemption for your motorcycle.''
That was on the 4th January..... followed by..... nothing.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Tony5587 on 09 April 2019, 02:10:28 pm
Thanks for this thread. I live in London within the N/S Circular so would be effected by the ULEZ even if i didnt ride in central London, as it is planned to expand to include my house.Emailed Yamaha yesterday and they confirmed by email today that my 2001 FZS1000 has NOx of 0.09(g/km).
Happy to pay the £60 for the certificate proving this.
As with Dazza's communication with TFL, even if it is a long drawn out experience of emailing them and chasing them up....eventually i know my bike will be exempt and so will mean i dont have to sell my beloved Fazer! Or have to move house lol.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 09 April 2019, 02:26:23 pm
It does puzzle me a bit that the FZS600 with a smaller engine and better fuel consumption with 0.185 is more than double the FZS1000 with 0.09, but hey ho  :(
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 10 April 2019, 06:34:40 pm
Saw this on the MAG FB page, thought it was an interesting read and backs up what I've mentioned to TFL before about the way a motorcycle moves through LOndon compared to a car so therefore can't be put into the same category. 







More incompetence and laziness from TfL and Sadiq Khan


 News from the Motorcycle Action Group (MAG)


MAG brands industry standard emissions calculator unfit for purpose.


This version: 2019-04-10       


Following repeated claims from Transport for London (TfL) that
“individually, motorcycles can be highly polluting”, MAG has demanded
that TfL produce evidence to back this claim.  TfL stalled for many
months before finally claiming that they take information from the
National Atmospheric Emissions Inventory.


MAG investigated this “evidence” and discovered that the information
from NAEI is, in fact, a modelling calculation; and we can now reveal
that this model actually backs our position that pre-Euro 3 motorcycles
are not necessarily “highly polluting” and that, by the admission of the
software modellers, the figures over-estimate real-world emissions from
motorcycles.


TfL has chosen a NOx emissions limit of 0.15g/km for motorcycles, based
on the figure for this single pollutant in the Euro 3 motorcycle
standard.  TfL claim that the evidence for pre-Euro 3 motorcycles being
highly polluting is provided by the COPERT 5 data for average motorcycle
emissions at an average speed of 30km/h.


The data from COPERT 5 shows that average emissions from pre-Euro 1
<50cc mopeds; pre-Euro 1, Euro 1 and Euro 2 two-strokes; Euro 2
four-strokes 250 – 750cc; pre-Euro 1, Euro 1 and Euro 2 four strokes
 >750cc, all average less than 0.15g/km.  At the same time, the cleanest
ULEZ-exempt Euro 6c diesel cars emit 0.21g/km.  MAG has also had
confirmation from Emisia - the company behind the COPERT modelling
software - that their models do not allow for the emissions advantage
possessed by motorcycles in terms of filtering through congested traffic.


Studies carried out by the Federation of European Motorcyclists
Associations (FEMA) demonstrated that, across 17 major European cities,
motorcycles on average reduce journey times by 30% compared with cars.
The COPERT modelling can therefore be shown to over-estimate the already
low emissions figures for motorcycles by this same percentage.


MAG’s Director of Campaigns & Political Engagement, Colin Brown, stated
“This research has led us to a conclusion that has far-reaching
implications beyond Sadiq Khan’s London: indeed beyond the UK, to the
whole of Europe.  Any air quality modelling that relies on the COPERT
software is misrepresenting the part that motorcycles play in air
quality.  No modelling will ever reveal the benefit that modal shift to
motorcycles and scooters can play in improving the quality of the air
that we all breathe.  An opportunity for all is being hidden through the
use of faulty assumptions that motorcycles are the same as cars and
should be treated in exactly the same way.  This is flawed modelling
that leads to poor decision-making.


MAG is more than happy to answer any questions about motorcycle
emissions, and to work with any authority that genuinely wants to reduce
air pollution to correct the modelling and come to workable policies
that promote the use of motorcycles and scooters.  As we have maintained
all along: motorcycles are the solution not the problem.”


Contact MAG at 01926 844 064 or central-office@mag-uk.org







Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 10 April 2019, 07:20:57 pm
Good find Dazza. I'm wondering how long it will be before someone is fined, appeals with this sort of evidence and wins. Leading to lots of refunds. As you say lazy TFL law making.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Ripsnortingvtwin on 11 April 2019, 02:31:19 pm
hi guys

can get a photo on this post but just got my letter from tfl to say mine clear now also
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 11 April 2019, 02:35:22 pm
hi guys

can get a photo on this post but just got my letter from tfl to say mine clear now also


 :thumbup
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: blackcabbie on 11 April 2019, 08:37:41 pm
have you still got to send a coc....... mines a usa import and yamaha uk wont supply a coc  against my frame/engine number
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 12 April 2019, 07:40:00 am
Mines a usa import and yamaha uk wont supply a coc  against my frame/engine number
Same here, hence having to possibly sell it. You and I have the option of taking a £175 punt of that bike shop in hackey - but I have lots of other things I can use £175 on...
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: midden on 12 April 2019, 10:07:21 am
Mines a usa import and yamaha uk wont supply a coc  against my frame/engine number
Same here, hence having to possibly sell it. You and I have the option of taking a £175 punt of that bike shop in hackey - but I have lots of other things I can use £175 on...



Have you tried yamusa or probably Yamaha.com?
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: midden on 12 April 2019, 10:08:55 am
It does puzzle me a bit that the FZS600 with a smaller engine and better fuel consumption with 0.185 is more than double the FZS1000 with 0.09, but hey ho  :(



600 is missing AIS and exup valve  both probably contribute to the results
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 12 April 2019, 10:20:29 am
Quote
600 is missing AIS and exup valve
So are most of the 1000s on here  ;)
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: midden on 12 April 2019, 11:05:21 am
Thanks for this thread. I live in London within the N/S Circular so would be effected by the ULEZ even if i didnt ride in central London, as it is planned to expand to include my house.Emailed Yamaha yesterday and they confirmed by email today that my 2001 FZS1000 has NOx of 0.09(g/km).
Happy to pay the £60 for the certificate proving this.
As with Dazza's communication with TFL, even if it is a long drawn out experience of emailing them and chasing them up....eventually i know my bike will be exempt and so will mean i dont have to sell my beloved Fazer! Or have to move house lol.



Perhaps in two years time you'll qualify for the ridiculous grace period afford those living in the ulez zone.....
Presumably it's thought they won't have  heard about this years ago like the rest of us and need time to prepare
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: blackcabbie on 13 April 2019, 05:43:49 pm
Mines a usa import and yamaha uk wont supply a coc  against my frame/engine number
Same here, hence having to possibly sell it. You and I have the option of taking a £175 punt of that bike shop in hackey - but I have lots of other things I can use £175 on...



Have you tried yamusa or probably Yamaha.com?


yes i contacted yamaha usa a few months ago.... they were very helpful on the phone and said they could supply a coc...great i thought... however what arrived is a letter stating bike conforms to all federal and state laws..... no mention of a nox level........obviously useless to present to tfl


i was hoping mag would get whole model range exempted, because mine shows fzs1000 on logbook not fz1


if i got it tested at that garage in hackney, it may not pass cos i have removed ais......


any thoughts on this ????
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: midden on 13 April 2019, 09:52:15 pm
Mines a usa import and yamaha uk wont supply a coc  against my frame/engine number
Same here, hence having to possibly sell it. You and I have the option of taking a £175 punt of that bike shop in hackey - but I have lots of other things I can use £175 on...



Have you tried yamusa or probably Yamaha.com?


yes i contacted yamaha usa a few months ago.... they were very helpful on the phone and said they could supply a coc...great i thought... however what arrived is a letter stating bike conforms to all federal and state laws..... no mention of a nox level........obviously useless to present to tfl


i was hoping mag would get whole model range exempted, because mine shows fzs1000 on logbook not fz1


if i got it tested at that garage in hackney, it may not pass cos i have removed ais......


any thoughts on this ????



Yeah  refit it  ;)     


Have you been back in touch with yam usa  incase they didn't quite understand what you needed
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: blackcabbie on 13 April 2019, 10:39:05 pm
cant refit it cos i dont have the ais  anymore..... dont think contacting yam usa again would do any good...... does the uk coc give a nox value ??
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 14 April 2019, 08:31:35 pm
More MAG news http://www.mag-uk.org/en/newsdetail/a7406 (http://www.mag-uk.org/en/newsdetail/a7406)


It seems TFL have now published details about their acceptance of pre 2007 bikes passing Euro 3 NOx tests. But they require 'evidence from the manufacturer' or a test at the approved garage.


MAG are assuming a CoC each time, but surely a CoC for one FZS1000 covers all FZS1000s (at least of the same model year). So I don't understand why MAG are not collecting CoC details, and then supplying TFL with lists of all bike reg nos all covered by the same CoC? Otherwise it's a lot of sixty quids.  :rolleyes
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: g5guzzi on 14 April 2019, 10:08:53 pm
cant refit it cos i dont have the ais  anymore..... dont think contacting yam usa again would do any good...... does the uk coc give a nox value ??

If you need an ais i have one in the shed not doing any thing.it would need the gaskets that fit on the exhaust stubs.Malc
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: blackcabbie on 15 April 2019, 08:23:44 pm
cant refit it cos i dont have the ais  anymore..... dont think contacting yam usa again would do any good...... does the uk coc give a nox value ??

If you need an ais i have one in the shed not doing any thing.it would need the gaskets that fit on the exhaust stubs.Malc


thanks for the offer malc..... very much appreciated......i dont use the bike currently in london, so not desperate for the exemption..... i just wanted it for future proofing so i think i'll wait and see if a block exemption of fzs1000 is likely
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Ripsnortingvtwin on 16 April 2019, 08:18:38 am
there's a few of us on here that have got our bike through all 1000's but still had to get our own docs done
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 16 April 2019, 10:06:17 am
But you shouldn't have to. Yamaha are issuing the CoC based on the model, not your specific bike. TFL should be persuaded to exempt all FZS1000s.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: Ripsnortingvtwin on 16 April 2019, 10:47:18 am
yes i agree but there a waste of space
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: dazza on 16 April 2019, 12:19:08 pm
But you shouldn't have to. Yamaha are issuing the CoC based on the model, not your specific bike. TFL should be persuaded to exempt all FZS1000s.
That's wrong mtread, Yamaha are issuing the CoC based on individual machines, hence why you have to send a copy of the V5 as well as a photo of the frame and engine numbers.
Again, it comes down to "if you want something done, do it yourself".
If you wait around for TFL to exempt a whole model or MAG to put together a database and get TFL to accept it, something tells me you're going to be waiting a long time and that's if it ever happens.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 16 April 2019, 01:09:12 pm
But I'm sure Yamaha didn't test your individual bike dazza and everybody else's before it left the factory. They tested a sample FZS1000. They want proof of your vin number to be sure it belongs to a FZS1000 and that it cross refers to your reg no.
I agree though, doesn't look like anybody is going to create a database..... but supposing a rider gets a fine, and then proves it is exactly the same model bike as another (ie yours) that has been accepted as exempted. I suggest TFL would lose, and it would put them to much inconvenience.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 17 April 2019, 06:53:36 pm
I am still waiting for TFL to respond to me. I’ve sent in everything but heard nothing. I’ve sent two stinking emails to customer support but still nothing. It’s a complete shambles. Typical of anything government related. If they were private business they would be shut down in weeks!!
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: mtread on 17 April 2019, 08:54:54 pm
You've never dealt with N Power then  :eek
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: midden on 17 April 2019, 10:48:43 pm
I am still waiting for TFL to respond to me. I’ve sent in everything but heard nothing. I’ve sent two stinking emails to customer support but still nothing. It’s a complete shambles. Typical of anything government related. If they were private business they would be shut down in weeks!!



Have you checked you junk/scam mail  whatever it's called     I found 3 emails from TfL today in hotmail's junk mail
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 08 December 2020, 12:20:16 pm
To anyone that has been waiting for TFL to get back to them, has thier been any updates..?
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: old son on 08 December 2020, 08:31:44 pm
My Gen1 was accepted after I sent in a certificate of conformity. I have just checked on the TfL website and it is showing as LEZ compliant but not ULEZ!! It took ages jumping through hoops. They really are a bunch of wankers. I suppose I'll have to get in touch with them again and do it all again.
Title: Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
Post by: b1k3rdude on 08 December 2020, 10:44:37 pm
What date did you send them the CoC? it shouldn't be talking them longer than a 6-8wks to register it. Also did you get an email receipt..? if it were me I would refer them to that receipt if you get any charges.

And talking of TFL, I have been speaking to the ULEZ dept. today with regard to a 2007 FZ1 that was registered on the 11th of May (so 14 business days before the threshold of 1st of June 2007) and they are now saying that via their website I can send them a scan/copy the logbook.  But this will only work if section V.1, V.2 & V.3 (CO, HCL & NOx) are populated. So I have asked Yamaha why my logbook is missing this info, seeing's as Euro3 came in to force in 2002 for motorcycles. Basically I would prefer NOT to pay the £75 for a CoC if it becomes clear the/original registrant didn't send the info to the DVLA from the get go.
Title: Re: ULEZ and how it effects the Gen1:
Post by: old son on 11 January 2021, 10:16:26 am
I have written again to TfL and they have confirmed my bike is exempt and they will update the database in due course. I received my original letter in June 2019 so is has taken some time for them to start updating!!!!
Title: Re: ULEZ and how it effects the Gen1:
Post by: b1k3rdude on 13 November 2021, 11:07:22 pm
i was hoping mag would get whole model range exempted, because mine shows fzs1000 on logbook not fz1
They tried and not just specific models.
Title: Re: ULEZ and how it effects the Gen1:
Post by: FazThou on 05 May 2022, 03:38:14 pm
Well i eventually got mine done, £75 later to mr yamaha
Just as well as i have 2 pcn's £80 each, the first is being disputed but the second one has already been updated on the tfl website as owing 0.00.


Phew panic over lol
Title: Re: ULEZ and how it effects the Gen1:
Post by: b1k3rdude on 13 May 2022, 02:06:20 am
I see its gone up then, used to be £65.....