This is amazing news! who do we contact..? as I want to get mine in before april.
Fantastic work Dazza. Is yours invanised? Might make a difference
DAZZA FOR PM...:eek
If it turns out that our 1 litre fazers fall beneath thr limit and are exempt from charges , surly the majority of bikes on the roads will also be exempt , parhaps not for two strokes , but most modern two strokes are scooters so no loss there and proper two strokes from the 70s are exempt anyway due to classis status , money making scam , bikes should'nt have been included in the first place........
DAZZA FOR PM.........gets my vote :thumbup
mtread thinks that means Post Mortem
Received confirmation today that the NOX output for the Gen1 Fazer thou is 0.09. The limit is 0.15
This means that with a certificate of conformity it is exempt.
Great news for us all I believe.
I'm going to attempt to get the whole model included but as they've asked for engine and chassis number photographs I suspect that it's going to be issued on an individual basis.
I may still have some hoops to jump through as mine was a French import
Here is a copy of the reply email.
Good Afternoon,Thank you we have now been able to identify the machine, the NOx output is 0.09 (g/km). In regards to documentation to confirm this it would be a Certificate of Conformity required, the procedure as follows below.We believe that we are likely to be able to produce a Certificate of Conformity for the FZS1000 we would however ask you to be kind enough to e-mail the following:1)Name2)Full postal address3)Daytime telephone number4)A photograph of the VIN/Chassis Number stamped into the frame of the machine5)A photograph of the Engine Number which will be visible on the engine casing.Once we have the above information, we should be in a position to produce a Certificate of Conformity. Please be advised that being an import once information is presented we will have to request the document from Europe systems, we cannot guarantee the document is available for this imported unit.May we also advise that an administration fee of £60 (inc VAT) is applicable and may be paid by either debit or credit card. Due to the number of requests received, we are currently taking an average of 3-4 weeks once all information has been received to produce the letter and therefore will wait until we have produced a draft of the letter before contacting you by telephone to take your card payment.We once again thank you for contacting us and trust that the above information will be of assistance.
WTF is this thread about?If you don't commute into London, don't worry about it.
.............yet :eek
So I contacted Yamaha UK, and because mine was originally a US model it was never tested. The BS of it all is the US/UK/Euro versions of the FZS1000 are all the fucking same in the carb, ignition dept.
Avoid going down this route. Yamaha won't issue a certificate if the frame has been changed.So I contacted Yamaha UK, and because mine was originally a US model it was never tested. The BS of it all is the US/UK/Euro versions of the FZS1000 are all the fucking same in the carb, ignition dept.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183609077280 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183609077280)
This would make it a UK bike......
Nice one lads, rest assured if I can get a certificate of conformity, I will be pressing TFL to exempt all Gen 1 FazersThis would be welcome, as I could potenially get my US model lumped into that list.
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Can't we just send them a letter with our reg no saying 'my bike's the same as Dazza's'? :)
I won't know till I receive one.
What figures did you give them and where did you get them from ?
That's nonsense isn't it. Because CO2 isn't a pollutant and doesn't cause breathing problems.Trouble is, it's not CO2, it's CO which I believe is Carbon monoxide.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183609077280 (https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F183609077280)This would make it a UK bike......Nice idea, but I don't have anywhere I could do the swap. Also how can a breaker guarantee the frame is 100% straight..?
Looks like MAG are doing something with the manufacturers, although whether our models get covered in time is another matter [url]http://www.mag-uk.org/en/newsdetail/a7395[/url] ([url]http://www.mag-uk.org/en/newsdetail/a7395[/url])
TFL's latest communication with me has only just mentioned Euro 3 compliance and given me a link which includes the CO as well as the NOx. If I had had this information sooner it may have saved me £60.Im on a TFL related note the last email i got from them which would suggest they dont know what they are doing and we can probably use this to our advantage-
Dear XXXThis would suggest all we need is a letter from Yahama confirming that the FZS1000 is Euro3 status for that model and the left hand side of the V5C that shows the N03 output level and VIN.
Our Ref: TFL-592293-1550656980
Customer Account Number: N/A
Thank you for your enquiry received on 14 February 2019, regarding the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ). Please be advise that you can provide a letter on headed paper from the manufacturer's Technical Department confirming the vehicle's Euro standard, with a copy of the vehicle registration document (V5c) confirming Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) emissions. The letter from the manufacturer must include the vehicle identification number (VIN) as well.
If you have any questions, please visit tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra-low-emission-zone or call us on 0343 222 2222 (textphone 0207 649 9123 if you have impaired hearing).
Yours sincerely
D. Milton (Contracts & Operations manager)
For more recent models the NOx is recorded on the v5, but for our models it isn't.Are you sure because my 2006 bandit has all those details in the V5.
Received my COC in the post todayI can't believe that doc cost £60, its a low qaulity print out and there is only 2 bits of information that differ from one FZS1000 to the next - the vin and the date - what utter and complete bureaucratic B$.
fight on dazza , i'am hope you win or the bike of no use in a few weeks !!!!
Regarding the line -
With respect to ULEZ, the current situation is as follows. The initial implementation (due 8th April 2019) will cover the same geographic boundaries as the current Congestion Charging Zone. In 2021 the boundaries will be extended out to the north and south circulars. Current requirements for motorcycles to be exempted from the charge is Euro3 (implemented July 2007). Non-compliant motorcycles will be charged £12.50 per day.
MAG have successfully demonstrated that many pre Euro3 motorcycles are compliant with the Euro3 NO2 emission standard of 0.15ug/km. On that basis we have gained acceptance from TfL that any motorcycle proven to be compliant with the NO2 limit of 0.15ug/km will be given individual exemption on a bike by bike basis. This places burden of proof on the individual owner. Proof can be provided in the form of a Certificate of Conformity supplied by the manufacturer (application for a CoC in some cases can cost up to £150, dependent on the manufacturer), or by having the individual emissions of the bike tested at a certified test centre. To date we are still awaiting definition from TfL of the relevant test and certification of the testing facilities that will be accepted.
Naturally we are pushing that the exemption should be applied to all compliant pre Euro3 bikes, with no burden of proof placed on the owner, but this is yet to be accepted by TfL. Given that the time remaining before implementation is now just 6 weeks, we have formally requested a delay to the implementation of charging for motorcycles due to the delays caused at TfL’s end to resolve the outstanding technical issues.
Overarching all this, we continue to argue for a blanket exemption for all motorcycles of any age and a policy to promote modal shift from single occupancy cars to motorcycles to reduce congestion and emissions.
To date we are still awaiting definition from TfL of the relevant test and certification of the testing facilities that will be accepted.I have spoke to TFL and they dont fucking know and told me to speak to VOSA who themselves don't fucking know and are getting fucked of with TFL sending people to them. Vosa did suggest taking my bike to a class 4 MOT testing station which I did on Saturday but because they are not up for motorcycles the figures they got when they poked their senser up my pipe (pun intended) the Co2, HCL and Lambda numbers did not marry up to what we should be seeing for that bike.
For more recent models the NOx is recorded on the v5, but for our models it isn't.Are you sure because my 2006 bandit has all those details in the V5.
We might be all better off backing MAG rather than getting exempt individually , its been said on here that bikes are not the problem they are the answer.......strength in numbers and all that...
We might be all better off backing MAG rather than getting exempt individually , its been said on here that bikes are not the problem they are the answer.......strength in numbers and all that...
04-03-2019 MAG recommends ULEZ ‘breathing space’ for motorcycles
MAG has asked London authorities to allow time with bikers to prevent an angry, administratively nightmarish chaos over ULEZ charges for motorcycles.
MAG met with former Chair of the Transport Committee on the Greater London Authority, Keith Prince AM, at London’s City Hall to seek a postponement for motorcycles from the ULEZ pollution charges for older motorbikes. This was supplemented by a formal letter (link HERE (https://wiki.mag-uk.org/images/9/97/20190301163936590.pdf)) to the Mayor, Sadiq Khan, requesting the postponement. Reasons identified for the postponement of the charges include:MAG’s Director of Communications & Public Affairs, Lembit Öpik, warns: ‘there’s a pressing need to take all of this into account to avoid administrative nightmares and injustices. Many motorcycles facing the charge are operating at emissions levels below the ULEZ emissions thresholds. TfL would be obliged to refund any payments made by those riders. So let’s be sensible and postpone this charge, before the whole thing descends into chaos.’
- The Mayor and TfL haven’t yet grasped issues relating to the introduction of the ULEZ charge for older bikes. This means eleventh-hour panic could lead to ill-considered, knee jerk decisions from bikers and also from policy makers.
- Postponing ULEZ on motorcycles has a tiny impact on emissions. By TfL’s own figures fewer than 4,000 bikes will be non-compliant with Euro 3 – a figure itself already declining through entirely legitimate individual exemptions.
- ULEZ as it stands means the certainty of injustice, as one biker can be charged whilst riding next to a biker with an identical bike that’s exempt.
- Postponement can still lead to charging in 2021 if evidence proves the case for it. Currently TfL has no meaningful evidence on motorcycle emissions, nor effective modelling techniques to know the positive effect of modal shift to powered two wheelers. A delay provides time to measure real world emissions and journey time-savings – which will also reduce congestion and thus secondary emissions.
- The social impact on the poorest road users, who can often only afford older motorcycles and scooters for their commuting needs, has been totally ignored and turns the ULEZ charges into a regressive tax against the least wealthy.
- TfL has yet to justify the disproportionate effect of charging motorcycles, which would have to pay the same as older cars, while newer cars get in for free.
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When did kilometres become the unit of distance travelled in the uk?
I had a spate of that. It's a conspiracy I tell ya.
Stalling tactics
Keep at them, I've been emailing them at ... Customerservice@tfl.gov.uk or try this
customerservice@tfl.gov.uk
You can contact them online but I found their website long winded and hard to navigate.
Keep plugging away, you'll get there.
Everyone else who uses their thou to commute into London and even those who visit occasionally.
Get on it, get our beloved thou's exempted and help keep them one of the most affordable, desirable and best all round machines on the market. :D
so we are still looking on the thou's the cost is £165 but it cheaper then a new bike there number to book your bike in is 0208 983 4896£165...??!!! how exactly are they justifying that amount..?
Ok so gave this bike shop a call just now and its not good -so we are still looking on the thou's the cost is £165 but it cheaper then a new bike there number to book your bike in is 0208 983 4896£165...??!!! how exactly are they justifying that amount..?
Just been thinking about this and googled NOx testing equipment.
Then it suddenly dawned on me, I've got an emissions tester tucked away in my shed.
The problem is getting TFL to accept your findings.
https://www.e-inst.com/training/measuring-nitrogen-oxides-nox/ (https://www.e-inst.com/training/measuring-nitrogen-oxides-nox/)
Might get it fired up in the next few days and find an exhaust pipe to stick it up ! :eek
b1k3rdude out of interest what two bikes have you got?2006 Bandit 1200 and 2010 bandit 1250, I bought the 1250 before I knew I could get a CoC for the 1200.
b1k3rdude out of interest what two bikes have you got?2006 Bandit 1200 and 2010 bandit 1250, I bought the 1250 before I knew I could get a CoC for the 1200.
hi guys
can get a photo on this post but just got my letter from tfl to say mine clear now also
Mines a usa import and yamaha uk wont supply a coc against my frame/engine numberSame here, hence having to possibly sell it. You and I have the option of taking a £175 punt of that bike shop in hackey - but I have lots of other things I can use £175 on...
Mines a usa import and yamaha uk wont supply a coc against my frame/engine numberSame here, hence having to possibly sell it. You and I have the option of taking a £175 punt of that bike shop in hackey - but I have lots of other things I can use £175 on...
It does puzzle me a bit that the FZS600 with a smaller engine and better fuel consumption with 0.185 is more than double the FZS1000 with 0.09, but hey ho :(
600 is missing AIS and exup valveSo are most of the 1000s on here ;)
Thanks for this thread. I live in London within the N/S Circular so would be effected by the ULEZ even if i didnt ride in central London, as it is planned to expand to include my house.Emailed Yamaha yesterday and they confirmed by email today that my 2001 FZS1000 has NOx of 0.09(g/km).
Happy to pay the £60 for the certificate proving this.
As with Dazza's communication with TFL, even if it is a long drawn out experience of emailing them and chasing them up....eventually i know my bike will be exempt and so will mean i dont have to sell my beloved Fazer! Or have to move house lol.
Mines a usa import and yamaha uk wont supply a coc against my frame/engine numberSame here, hence having to possibly sell it. You and I have the option of taking a £175 punt of that bike shop in hackey - but I have lots of other things I can use £175 on...
Have you tried yamusa or probably Yamaha.com?
Mines a usa import and yamaha uk wont supply a coc against my frame/engine numberSame here, hence having to possibly sell it. You and I have the option of taking a £175 punt of that bike shop in hackey - but I have lots of other things I can use £175 on...
Have you tried yamusa or probably Yamaha.com?
yes i contacted yamaha usa a few months ago.... they were very helpful on the phone and said they could supply a coc...great i thought... however what arrived is a letter stating bike conforms to all federal and state laws..... no mention of a nox level........obviously useless to present to tfl
i was hoping mag would get whole model range exempted, because mine shows fzs1000 on logbook not fz1
if i got it tested at that garage in hackney, it may not pass cos i have removed ais......
any thoughts on this ????
cant refit it cos i dont have the ais anymore..... dont think contacting yam usa again would do any good...... does the uk coc give a nox value ??
cant refit it cos i dont have the ais anymore..... dont think contacting yam usa again would do any good...... does the uk coc give a nox value ??
If you need an ais i have one in the shed not doing any thing.it would need the gaskets that fit on the exhaust stubs.Malc
But you shouldn't have to. Yamaha are issuing the CoC based on the model, not your specific bike. TFL should be persuaded to exempt all FZS1000s.That's wrong mtread, Yamaha are issuing the CoC based on individual machines, hence why you have to send a copy of the V5 as well as a photo of the frame and engine numbers.
I am still waiting for TFL to respond to me. I’ve sent in everything but heard nothing. I’ve sent two stinking emails to customer support but still nothing. It’s a complete shambles. Typical of anything government related. If they were private business they would be shut down in weeks!!
i was hoping mag would get whole model range exempted, because mine shows fzs1000 on logbook not fz1They tried and not just specific models.