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Title: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 08 April 2013, 12:57:02 pm
When she was booted out of office in the early 90s, me and my boss went to the pub to celebrate. Now she's snuffed it at last. Please please no state funeral.

PS M Thatcher is no more
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: maddog04 on 08 April 2013, 01:18:57 pm
trying to book the night off now...................most of  the UK will be rat arsed tonight
good f***ing riddance
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: maddog04 on 08 April 2013, 01:26:20 pm
cant get it off....................... :'(
will have to wait til Wednesday now..............bugger
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: goldfazer on 08 April 2013, 01:29:23 pm
Just the cnuts of Union leaders to go then :)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peejay on 08 April 2013, 01:30:54 pm
oh dear, oh dear. I hope admin keep an eye on this thread and not let it get out of hand!
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 08 April 2013, 01:31:32 pm
No, there's smirking Osbourne and smarmy Cameron next.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Sunny Intervals on 08 April 2013, 02:03:20 pm
(http://www.mydavidcameron.com/images/rise1.jpg)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: dBfazer600 on 08 April 2013, 02:48:52 pm
OK I do not like to hear of some ones death but today is diffrent as I hate with a passion all the things this bitch did. Daz
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 08 April 2013, 02:52:23 pm
Even I'm amazed by this one:

http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk (http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk)

Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: dBfazer600 on 08 April 2013, 03:19:31 pm
Even I'm amazed by this one:

[url]http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk[/url] ([url]http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk[/url])

 
 :lmao2
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: thecert on 08 April 2013, 04:10:50 pm
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, I'm inclined to think that she will be remembered  for what her being in power meant to you at the time. Personally I think that overall she did a very good job, although not perfect (then who is) she was a dam site more decisive than most of them around her. She certainly deserves remembering for more positives than negatives and a lot more respect from those with derogatory remarks. RIP Lady.
 
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: fireblake on 08 April 2013, 04:17:11 pm
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, I'm inclined to think that she will be remembered  for what her being in power meant to you at the time. Personally I think that overall she did a very good job, although not perfect (then who is) she was a dam site more decisive than most of them around her. She certainly deserves remembering for more positives than negatives and a lot more respect from those with derogatory remarks. RIP Lady.


+1
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Skippernick on 08 April 2013, 04:22:07 pm
Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course, I'm inclined to think that she will be remembered  for what her being in power meant to you at the time. Personally I think that overall she did a very good job, although not perfect (then who is) she was a dam site more decisive than most of them around her. She certainly deserves remembering for more positives than negatives and a lot more respect from those with derogatory remarks. RIP Lady.


+1


+2
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: purplebear7 on 08 April 2013, 04:29:40 pm
+ 3 
 
She had more balls than most blokes in my opinion.   
 
PB
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: richfzs on 08 April 2013, 04:36:51 pm
+4

A friend of mine died this morning, so it's a bit of a sore point, but some of these comments say far more about the people celebrating a death than it does about the person who died.

Have a word with yourselves.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: locksmith on 08 April 2013, 04:52:05 pm
+5
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 08 April 2013, 05:01:08 pm
+4

A friend of mine died this morning, so it's a bit of a sore point, but some of these comments say far more about the people celebrating a death than it does about the person who died.

Have a word with yourselves.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2



Hear hear +6
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Jacko on 08 April 2013, 05:20:30 pm
+6
Did more for my circumstances than anyone has since.
And I'm from a mining town and was made redundant off the back of the strike.

Can't hate her, never met her.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: dazza on 08 April 2013, 05:31:23 pm
This smacks of the question "What have the Romans ever done for us ?" Council tenants right to buy !
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ponkster on 08 April 2013, 05:34:55 pm
-1


are you all deluded - she was evil - you must all be middle class with short memories !
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: mtread on 08 April 2013, 05:39:14 pm
-2    She stole my milk while I was at school, and it all went downhill from there
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: richfzs on 08 April 2013, 05:45:33 pm
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." - Martin Luther King Jr..
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: dBfazer600 on 08 April 2013, 05:57:26 pm
Its a blessing that she has died as I would have preferred her to shit herself  and play with her own crap with the full knowledge that she would have drifted in and out out of comprehension that we know to be dementia. That is hate for you, not the forgiving individual who is willing to forgive and forget. But that is what I expect from individuals who are self important and could not give a shit about others who tarnish others with the same brush. Now that speaks volumes.
 
Daz
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 08 April 2013, 06:20:18 pm
The only positive thing about the bitch is that she wouldn't have had the balls to do half of what the twits Osbourne and Cameron are doing. I doubt she would have linked being on benefits with killing children.

She was "dangerously self-opinionated" according to ICN in 1948 when she went for a job interview as a chemist. And so it transpired.

Snobby Roberts.

Says it all.

Only downside the telly will be full of it for days.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 April 2013, 06:22:57 pm
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"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." - Martin Luther King Jr..

One wonders what Martin Luther King would have made of her support for apartheid.  She considered Neilson Mandela to be a terrorist.

Whilst I'm not about to celebrate her death, I'm not going to pretend that she was anything else but a very nasty piece of work.  Her death frankly is irrelevant, the damage she did has been done, the crimes she committed now long in the past and for which she can no longer be held to account.  We live today with her legacy and I ain't gonna shed no tears for her.

And of course once again this country is being governed by a Tory government, albeit one with Lib Dem partners, that we did not vote for. 
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 April 2013, 07:30:29 pm
I suppose I'd better give this a spin sometime tonight;

Mogwai "George Square Thatcher Death Party" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6RhWcy41DI#ws)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: JoeRock on 08 April 2013, 07:32:21 pm
If any of you had ever studied anything about economics you'd be mourning her death - under her rule an economy suffering a ridiculous level of inflation, held to ransome by unions was changed into a globally strong and powerful economy. Some of her moves were tough, yes, but if she hadn't had the balls to do what she had the ENTIRE UK economy would have entered a GREAT depression, akin to that suffered by Germany after WW1.
Unemployment may have been high during her period in office, but that was not her fault - you can trace this back to decades of under investment in the British economy by previous governments - it was her bad luck that it was during her time that this came to a head and drastic measures had to be taken.
She cut government spending massively, privatised hideously unprofitable branches that were previously gvoernment owned (improving profits and cutting customer prices in many cases as a result of this).
She didn't just benefit the rich either! She opened the stock markets to your everyday man, over a million families bought their own homes as a result of her policies, and the drop in income tax from 33% to 25% she instituted benefitted many less well off families.

Say what you like about her, she made a success of the country in one of it's darkest hours!
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 08 April 2013, 08:14:40 pm
How delusional.

The UK and most of the western world are in deep mire and in far darker times than happened here in the 70s. The entire western capitalist system is collapsing under the greed of bankers, corporations, tax havens and fairy monopoly money, all unleashed initially by this bitch and continued with Blair and now the ConDems. Now these same people are blaming the benefit claimants for the world's ills and for killing children. And privatisation of the utilities and railways has resulted in entities in which no real competition can ever operate (I'd like to have different water and electricity delivered to my house, please) and which have become money-leeching cartels. Just like the bankers.

You have realised that it is socialism that is preventing the economic system from collapsing right now (privatise the profits, socialise the losses). However, even socialism isn't magical -- the system will collapse, then just you wait to see the social unrest. Poll tax riots are a kid's birthday party in comparison.

You need to open your eyes, mate.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 08 April 2013, 08:19:58 pm
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: JoeRock on 08 April 2013, 08:21:45 pm
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest

ANother good point!
You end up with a monopoly, as due to the lack of competition there is no emphasis on being profitable, so organisations become extremely wasteful - which we then pay for in taxes!
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChrisJH on 08 April 2013, 08:22:12 pm
Like or Loathe her (personally I have an equal measure of both) she will be remembered long after the current crop of politician's have faded into a distant memory
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 08 April 2013, 08:24:41 pm
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest

Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 08 April 2013, 08:25:57 pm
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest

ANother good point!
You end up with a monopoly, as due to the lack of competition there is no emphasis on being profitable, so organisations become extremely wasteful - which we then pay for in taxes!


Like the extremely wasteful, inefficient and socially useless private banks, which the taxpayer is paying for.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 April 2013, 08:31:02 pm
 
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If any of you had ever studied anything about economics you'd be mourning her death - under her rule an economy suffering a ridiculous level of inflation, held to ransome by unions was changed into a globally strong and powerful economy.

Yeah I remember under Thatcher getting a 12% pay rise as inflation had rocketed to some 10% by about 1990.  A few years before that I got fleeced by her Poll Tax that took 1.5 months money out of my hands in tax.
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Some of her moves were tough, yes, but if she hadn't had the balls to do what she had the ENTIRE UK economy would have entered a GREAT depression, akin to that suffered by Germany after WW1.

You mean like what we are in now?  Isn't capitalism great!
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Unemployment may have been high during her period in office
High?  You bet it was. 4-5 million high, and she did it intentionally.  And how did she do it, how did she cover all the social costs of the unemployment that she callously and intentionally created, you know the unemployment benefits etc etc..  Well she wrote a cheque with Scottish oil, the oil of which she kept lying about how much we had.
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privatised hideously unprofitable branches that were previously gvoernment owned (improving profits and cutting customer prices in many cases as a result of this).
Are you foccing serious?  Look around you at the massive monopolies delivering crap services, paying shitty wages to staff (how then need to claim benifits!) on poor terms and conditions (which in turn focs the economy) whilst paying poor performing bosses a fortune on which they pay little tax.  What a success! 
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She opened the stock markets to your everyday man
Fleeced again, sold us what we already owned.  Where is the stock market going these days?  What happened to all the pension plans, remember those magical endowment capitalist fantasy policies.
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over a million families bought their own homes as a result of her policies
And we now have some of the poorest housing stock in Europe.  House prices are through the roof, and billions of pounds in benefits payments go not to claimants but to rich Tory Landlords.  Councils have lost their rental income.
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Say what you like about her, she made a success of the country in one of it's darkest hours!
You can trace the roots of where we are today, a bankrupt de-industrialised nation that makes nothing, stuck in a tripple dip recession with an even wider gap between rich and poor than ever before and with the same foccing idiots digging an even bigger hole for us all.
 
Roll on the 18th of September 2014!
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 08 April 2013, 08:34:01 pm
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest


Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.


Erm try this for a start. http://www.uswitch.com/ (http://www.uswitch.com/)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: wannafazer on 08 April 2013, 08:38:57 pm
apparently she'd only been in Hell a few hours when she shut three furnaces down  :eek
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 April 2013, 08:39:13 pm
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Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest

You might want to read up on The East Coast Line.

Dumped by at least two private operators, as despite the subsidies (care to explain why bosses should be given millions of pounds when they are running subsidised services?) as they failed to make a go of it, loathed by passengers, it's back in public hands being run efficiently and on time - so what's gonna happen now - it's gonna be privatised!

What Thatcher  has proved, what Major has proved, what Blair, Brown and Cameron have proved, is that privatisation of public utilities and services is a failure and the biggest ever rip off of public and tax payers funds.  It's robbing the poor to pay the rich, and when it all falls apart, who steps in, why you've guessed us poor folks that got robbed in the first place! 
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 08 April 2013, 08:39:33 pm
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You can trace the roots of where we are today, a bankrupt de-industrialised nation that makes nothing, stuck in a tripple dip recession with an even wider gap between rich and poor than ever before and with the same foccing idiots digging an even bigger hole for us all.

So those folks that ran the place from 97 to 2010 did what exactly?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 08 April 2013, 08:40:20 pm
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest


Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.


Erm try this for a start. [url]http://www.uswitch.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.uswitch.com/[/url])


Oh dear. You really don't understand what I said, do you? Have a think. The concept isn't hard....
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 08 April 2013, 08:46:11 pm
Can you explain how state owned utilities and rail companies encourages competiton and freedom of choice? Struggling to understand that one to be honest


Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.


Erm try this for a start. [url]http://www.uswitch.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.uswitch.com/[/url])


Oh dear. You really don't understand what I said, do you? Have a think. The concept isn't hard....


Nope I don't you're right. Not a clue how a single state owned utility company supplying the whole country gives you more choice than a multitude of privately owned utility companies. Let me go away and ponder some more because it must be something really obvious that I'm
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 08 April 2013, 08:54:53 pm
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So those folks that ran the place from 97 to 2010 did what exactly?

What folks.  You mean the New Tory Party, led by Thatcher in troosers, the bloody thirsty, war mongering liar Tony Blair?

Does that answer your question?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 08 April 2013, 08:55:19 pm
You're obviously one of the thickos that the Tell Sid campaign seduced.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 08 April 2013, 08:56:08 pm
 Fail to see how we (the tax payer) are now paying more to subsidise the Rail Companies than we did when it was Nationalised,
But the private companies make a profit is better for the Tax payer.

Council House sales shortage of affordable housing, housing benefit now going to private landlords and not local authorities is really a brilliant way of spending our money ?

Anybody remember Halifax, Abby National and a few other Building Societies that couldn't lend more money than they had from their investors, and couldn't go gambling in the City of London to raise cash.
You know those old entities from back in the day when you had a choice of more the just a few too big to fail banks to get a mortgage from.

Wonder what lending would be like now, if they were all still Building societies, and what the house building and construction industry would be doing?
 
Actually I wonder how we would be doing if we hadn't moved into Maggies service based economy where we moved from financial services being 3% of our GDP to 40% of our GDP ?



 
 
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 08 April 2013, 08:57:59 pm
You're obviously one of the thickos that the Tell Sid campaign seduced.

Hang on. Give me a chance. Still pondering. One option giving me more choice than many. Woooooo nearly got it then. Nope. Still eluding me. Damn this is tricky.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 08 April 2013, 09:03:53 pm
You're obviously one of the thickos that the Tell Sid campaign seduced.

Hang on. Give me a chance. Still pondering. One option giving me more choice than many. Woooooo nearly got it then. Nope. Still eluding me. Damn this is tricky.


Here's a clue.

If I switch my water or electricity provider from company ABC to company XYZ, I am getting the same water molecules and the same electrons delivered to my house regardless of provider.

Likewise, if I want to take a train from Guildford to London, I don't have a choice of trains from different providers to choose from.

The utilities and the railways are populated by middle-men spivs on the take and using the public as a cash cow simply because they can. They're not providing any function beyond creating cartels. They're exactly like the bankers.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 08 April 2013, 09:06:12 pm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/nov/12/libor-like-manipulation-gas-markets (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/nov/12/libor-like-manipulation-gas-markets)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tori on 08 April 2013, 09:07:23 pm
Like or dislike, she is dead. She was somebodies mum, sister and daughter. Some of you need to have some respect.

Evil?? What a completely stupid thing to say. Some of you commenting are not enough old enough to remember her let alone comment. Shame on you!
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 08 April 2013, 09:09:57 pm
Like or dislike, she is dead. She was somebodies mum, sister and daughter. Some of you need to have some respect.

Evil?? What a completely stupid thing to say. Some of you commenting are not enough old enough to remember her let alone comment. Shame on you!

Tell that to the communities that she ravaged and destroyed. She was an evil selfish bitch and I'd love to piss on her grave.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tori on 08 April 2013, 09:14:51 pm
She did what she thought was right at the time.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 08 April 2013, 09:15:04 pm
everybody is somebodies Daughter Son  father Mother etc, could say that about Hitler and anybody.
I speak of the dead as I spoke of them in life.
It my thing trying not to be a hypocrite  :lol
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: dBfazer600 on 08 April 2013, 09:16:11 pm
Point 1 is not just this minority
 
1
 
Point 2 will always be
 
2
 
As soon as you loose respect there is no turning back and this was brought on by their policies so if it upsets you how people show a lack of respect do not read the thread. It has to be the hardest job for the simple fact is the PM, past, present and future will never please every one and will inevitably upset alot of people.
 
Love it
 
Daz
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: mtread on 08 April 2013, 09:17:03 pm
I'm certainly old enough to remember, and to have been part of it. I think some people underestimate the hatred that is felt for her.
I'm toasting her departure with a pint of Brains Dark. Brewed in South Wales for miners. Very fitting  :)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 08 April 2013, 09:18:15 pm
She did what she thought was right at the time.

Oh yes, we have that get out clause these days with all the corruption and backhanders.

"I was doing it in good faith"

Well, I'm calling her a bitch that should have been put through a bacon slicer feet first. Of course, I'm doing so in the good faith that she was alive at the time of slicing.

PS Hitler also thought he was right
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 08 April 2013, 09:22:20 pm
I'm certainly old enough to remember, and to have been part of it. I think some people underestimate the hatred that is felt for her.
I'm toasting her departure with a pint of Brains Dark. Brewed in South Wales for miners. Very fitting  :)

Sat near Basildon drinking it according to the map ;-). It was more for the docklands rather than the miners but appreciate your appreciation of a fine welsh ale.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 08 April 2013, 09:25:49 pm
She did what she thought was right at the time.

Oh yes, we have that get out clause these days with all the corruption and backhanders.

"I was doing it in good faith"

Well, I'm calling her a bitch that should have been put through a bacon slicer feet first. Of course, I'm doing so in the good faith that she was alive at the time of slicing.

PS Hitler also thought he was right

Glad to see my tax money has been well spent in your education. Wonder if I can ask for a refund?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 08 April 2013, 09:27:58 pm
Evens itself out, I could ask for a refund on yours TC  :fish
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 08 April 2013, 09:28:13 pm
She did what she thought was right at the time.


Oh yes, we have that get out clause these days with all the corruption and backhanders.

"I was doing it in good faith"

Well, I'm calling her a bitch that should have been put through a bacon slicer feet first. Of course, I'm doing so in the good faith that she was alive at the time of slicing.

PS Hitler also thought he was right


Glad to see my tax money has been well spent in your education. Wonder if I can ask for a refund?



I think most of the population would like a refund for all the money that is going to be spent on the bitch's funeral.

Another example of the poor paying for the rich: "with the brunt of costs expected to be borne by the taxpayer."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/no-state-funeral-margaret-thatcher (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/no-state-funeral-margaret-thatcher)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Raymy on 08 April 2013, 09:28:57 pm
I'll ne honest,  I can understand why the welsh have been so positive of her











Seeing as how much you lot love dragons
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: mtread on 08 April 2013, 09:30:16 pm
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Sat near Basildon drinking it according to the map ;-). It was more for the docklands rather than the miners but appreciate your appreciation of a fine welsh ale.
Apart from being a very very fine welsh ale, it travels extremely well in a bottle  :)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: DryRob on 08 April 2013, 09:38:25 pm
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Sat near Basildon drinking it according to the map ;-). It was more for the docklands rather than the miners but appreciate your appreciation of a fine welsh ale.
Apart from being a very very fine welsh ale, it travels extremely well in a bottle  :)

There's an urn related joke somewhere in there
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Streetbudgie on 08 April 2013, 09:38:49 pm
She did what she thought was right at the time.

Sorry Tori but that can never justify her actions unless you apply that to Hitler, Shipman, Jack the Ripper et al.

She may not have ended lives by knife or bullet but she destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives.

She cost me a lot of money and sold me everything I already owned as a taxpayer and then took the chance of social housing away from me.

She was driven by her ego and nothing else, there was no belief in her for the good of the average people, she saw herself as a breed apart.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: chris.biker on 08 April 2013, 11:04:26 pm
Best not to speak ill of the dead. so no comment!


Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: chaz on 08 April 2013, 11:46:56 pm
so did Hitler

She did what she thought was right at the time.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: JoeRock on 09 April 2013, 12:26:37 am
Yes, she might have destroyed a few mining communities! However, when taken against the complete destruction of the British economy that would have have taken place if she hadn't taken such needed action, it's a relatively small price to pay!

Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: dBfazer600 on 09 April 2013, 12:53:15 am
Yes, she might have destroyed a few mining communities! However, when taken against the complete destruction of the British economy that would have have taken place if she hadn't taken such needed action, it's a relatively small price to pay!

And the rest:
 
British steel
Shipping Docs
 
Just two for example but it goes allot deeper so deep that the micro communities around such industriesd did nothing for GDP or the the inhabitants who only wanted to work. But then as todays Tories think everyone is a scrounger unless your of the old school tye fraternity just as in the past.

Today our society is classified to what music you listen too, if your friends are within a particular career thats how focc up this society is as everyone is scared of loosing their position in it in accordance to what they own, socialise with and the self importance of own image. Mr & Mrs Bucket (sorry Bouquet). At the end of the day everyones shit stinks. Its just some is more rancid than others. I would rather wipe chillies round my butt hole than pay respect to some one who thinks they deserve it because they think they above someone else for any rational.
 
I lived through this bitches regine and if dividing a family where brothers, sisters, mother and father who do not speak to each other to this day was a small worthy necesnecessity the Tori ideology seen for the family is a fu**ing lie.
 
Daz (reality is taking a piss into the wind, you will soak yourself)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: simonm on 09 April 2013, 02:58:00 am
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that." - Martin Luther King Jr..
Its not often I agree with you.... So I'll agree with MLK instead  :)

Replace the hate guys. Nothing she did was for personal gain, she believed it benefited the country. However misguided you think her actions were it's never okay to wish someone dead, especially when they're doing things with the best intentions.

My personal opinion is that she did a lot of harm to the country, I don't like privatising core infrastructure for the benefit of shareholders vs the good of the country. But the unions did have too much power.

I'll shurrup as I'm too young to fully understand what she did and I have no interest in politics but hating isn't the way forward.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: slimwilly on 09 April 2013, 06:48:16 am
Those unions needed whipping into line, they would of fucked the country, just like the car worker unions fucked it for themselves


If the government give into the unions the country will be fucked


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305585/Millions-answer-general-strike-says-union-boss.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305585/Millions-answer-general-strike-says-union-boss.html)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: driller2 on 09 April 2013, 06:53:56 am
I'm with Bert on this.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 09 April 2013, 09:53:34 am
Those unions needed whipping into line, they would of fucked the country, just like the car worker unions fucked it for themselves


If the government give into the unions the country will be fucked


[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305585/Millions-answer-general-strike-says-union-boss.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2305585/Millions-answer-general-strike-says-union-boss.html[/url])


I think you'll find the bankers have fucked over this country and the whole of the western economy, all to line their own pockets. This is magnitudes away from inconveniences caused by unions. Oh, and unions fight for the rights and conditions of others and not to line their own pockets.

You right-wingers just keeping stepping into it, don't you?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: fireblake on 09 April 2013, 11:08:25 am
I gave up reading after page 1. Socialists hated her right wingers loved her. All I know is she ain't Kim Jong un  and I don't have to  pretend to love her.
Whatever government is running or ruining the country makes no difference.
Since the 1990's I've been reading the different manifesto's to see what policies Interested me. Then at the end of their tenure I check out what has happened and what promises were kept or broken.
Guess what, they've all lied and reneged on them.
We need a radical change in this country. The only person who entered Parliament with an honest intention was Guy Fawkes.


Mickey


p.s. I stole the Guy Fawkes line from somewhere.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: richfzs on 09 April 2013, 11:22:14 am
, and unions fight for the rights and conditions of others and not to line their own pockets.

So how do you square that with Arthur scargill, who is on record as admitting that the miners strike was more about an attempted power grab by him, within the labour party, than it ever was about the miners? That's almost certainly a big part of why the NUM decided to chuck him out his "flat for life".

Anybody who thinks the union leaderships are any less power crazed than the MPs (of any colour) are delusional.

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Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 09 April 2013, 11:30:39 am
, and unions fight for the rights and conditions of others and not to line their own pockets.

So how do you square that with Arthur scargill, who is on record as admitting that the miners strike was more about an attempted power grab by him, within the labour party, than it ever was about the miners? That's almost certainly a big part of why the NUM decided to chuck him out his "flat for life".

Anybody who thinks the union leaderships are any less power crazed than the MPs (of any colour) are delusional.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

Oh yes indeed, power corrupts individuals of whatever politics.

My point still stands though. Neither the miners nor any other union could have caused the outright havoc and devastation that the financial "industry" has caused. I guess you're happy for the bankers to loot our pockets and threaten to throw their toys out of the pram, but not for the miners and others to stand up for the rights of ordinary folks.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: JoeRock on 09 April 2013, 12:09:47 pm
, and unions fight for the rights and conditions of others and not to line their own pockets.

So how do you square that with Arthur scargill, who is on record as admitting that the miners strike was more about an attempted power grab by him, within the labour party, than it ever was about the miners? That's almost certainly a big part of why the NUM decided to chuck him out his "flat for life".

Anybody who thinks the union leaderships are any less power crazed than the MPs (of any colour) are delusional.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

Oh yes indeed, power corrupts individuals of whatever politics.

My point still stands though. Neither the miners nor any other union could have caused the outright havoc and devastation that the financial "industry" has caused. I guess you're happy for the bankers to loot our pockets and threaten to throw their toys out of the pram, but not for the miners and others to stand up for the rights of ordinary folks.

Yes, I do of course now see dozens of massive strikes all over the country, with local amenities not being carried out and the army having to be called in to be used for things such as rubbish disposal.
Wait a minute, they're not happening!
Yes, the recession we're in is partially due to the financial sector, but I bet youg haven't been complaining for the previous 20 years about worldwide economic growth on the back of that same sector!
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: simonm on 09 April 2013, 12:23:30 pm
I gave up reading after page 1. Socialists hated her right wingers loved her. All I know is she ain't Kim Jong un  and I don't have to  pretend to love her.
Whatever government is running or ruining the country makes no difference.
Since the 1990's I've been reading the different manifesto's to see what policies Interested me. Then at the end of their tenure I check out what has happened and what promises were kept or broken.
Guess what, they've all lied and reneged on them.
We need a radical change in this country. The only person who entered Parliament with an honest intention was Guy Fawkes.


Mickey


p.s. I stole the Guy Fawkes line from somewhere.

Love it. Words well said.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: DILLIGAFF on 09 April 2013, 12:41:00 pm
David Cameron sent his condolences to the Thatcher household yesterday, his letter began...........


Unfortunately due to recent events you now have too many bedrooms.................














Now getting coat to avoid flamethrowers....................................
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: maddog04 on 09 April 2013, 02:13:07 pm
I for one will not apologise for hating her (and hate is a very strong emotion) I couldn't even bring myself to see her on TV, I had to turn over. When I left school I was told by Norman Tebbit to get on my bike to look for work, well I did. 8 hours in the saddle every day but I was fucked if I was going to move cities and leave my family, though thousands had to. The despair of writing letters for a job and getting up each morning eagerly awaiting the postie to see if you'd got an interview, only to find that no one could be arsed to even reply. I was 17 with no prospects and on the dole for yonks due to her policies and its only recently that we found out that she was briefed to let Liverpool run down. I travelled to S Wales and saw communities ravaged and left like ghost towns when they shut the mines.
Me dad worked the docks and they were sending food parcels to Yorkshire to feed the miners as they were told that monies would be seized in the banks......................FOOD PARCELS FFS. THIS WAS THE UK NOT AFRICA
lads going the footy were stopped by the Police and turned around just because the game was in a mining town/city.
I could go on and on but my early life was ruined coz of her and I hate her for it. Don't compare her to todays MP's either, they're all a shower!
its said she had more balls than a man, bollox..............if you pardon the pun. she was a dictator and her own mob saw through her and got shut.
 
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: maddog04 on 09 April 2013, 02:17:41 pm
for those too young to know any better, grab a copy of "Boys from the Black stuff"
Southerners thought it was a comedy but it was the reality of life in Liverpool and the North at the time
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: fireblake on 09 April 2013, 03:36:22 pm
What I look for in a politician is whether they are a hypocrite.
With old an old school Tory or really old school Labour you pretty much knew where you stood but when someone hates with every fibre of their soul something like the House of Lords you pretty much wonder what else they do to keep on the gravy train. Neil Kinnock and John Prescott are hypocrites of the first degree. The politician  I most admire would be Tony Benn (you didn't see that coming) as he gave up his Lordship to become a member of parliament. Still as mad as a box of frogs but admirable all the same


A quote from a newspaper




In a series of newspaper articles and speeches in 1977 and 1978, he described its members as 'a bunch of unelected busybodies' and the descendants of 'brigands, muggers, bribers, and gangsters'.
A person in power only has their integrity for others to judge them by, without that they truly are a Brigand, mugger,briber or a gangster


Mickey
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Oldgit on 09 April 2013, 04:36:34 pm
Before Maggie this country was going down the shitter (dead not buried, car plants striking every other day, 3 day week, streets full of rubbish, inflation at 22%, the pound worth F all, petrol rationing etc.) and that was under Labour.
Many of you on here really don't remember these days, I and my fellow war babies remember all what went on in this country before Maggie got in in 1979 and this country was well fucked, the IMF had to bale us out for fucks sake (Greece now) the 3 day week was the shits you could not even sign on the Buroo cos the Labour Government had no fuckin money to help families out, just like they left us after Broon & Darling had fucked us again.
So don't take your ire out on someone who had all that to contend with--short memories these Labour lefties have.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: dBfazer600 on 09 April 2013, 05:17:08 pm
Yep I was there and thats when we were really "All In It Together" None of this NIMBY-ism or ripping the guts out of a community that disagreed with you but everyone had the hardship.
 
Sorry those who have had their cake and eaten it now want younger generations to pay for the mistakes and mis-selling. So why are individuals asked to work longer for less pension rights. Its to pay for keeping everyone alive at the states expense with an excellent health service. Although this will not be promoted by the powers that be because they do not want to alienate middle England with the truth but would rather divide opinion by their spin. So why has Leeds been stopped from undertaking heart surgery on kids? was it a leaking of stats to try and offset the truth behind the original report that was in favour of closing the department down?
 
Nothing lefty about it just pure ignorance of what is happening around us because it does not affect me or you.
 
Daz
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 09 April 2013, 06:12:01 pm
I remember the 70's  :D
quereing at the supermarket waiting for the sugar to be brought out because Tate and Lyle were on strike quereing outside the independent bakers because Mothers Pride or United Bakers or somebody were on strike.

I Remember my Dad going up to the Morris Social club for mass meetings on the sports ground coz Red Robbo had called one, and the telegrams arriving to tell him to go back to work ( he was at British Leyland Cowley Plant) he hated the unions too, that's why he went back on the cabs, and Yea I remember him quereing for petrol but that was OPEC and not the unions.
I left school in 1980 and was lucky to have an apprenticship as a Chef at Lincoln College OXford.
My mum had got me a job serving the students at table when I was 14 because she was a college scout, I was at Oxford the same time as Cameron and and Osbroune who knows I may well have served them or cooked for them.

I knew my place I was an pleb Ock or any other term those upper class twats thought I was and took great joy in reminding us staff that we were.
I know all about Tories and their attitudes to the working classes.

Anybody remember when there were personell departments in companies that dealt with people.
And not Human resource departments that deal with Human resources  :thumbdown
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: simonm on 09 April 2013, 06:22:23 pm
It's a contentious topic and people are never going to find common ground.  There are people that appreciate that hard decisions have to be made and there are those that believe the decisions are wrong.


Someone has to make them though, and be criticised for them.  You'll never please everyone and you can guarantee whatever decision you'd made if you'd been in the seat of power there would be people glad that you're dead too.


Time moves on.  wounds heal.  Bad times are replaced by good.  Either way the damage/decision is done and there is no going back.

The whole topic is  :z
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 09 April 2013, 06:31:06 pm
Even in death she fleeces the taxpayer to pay for her funeral. And then who/what will be paying for the inevitable 24/7 guard on her grave?

Let's privatise her funeral:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/22/privatising-thatchers-funeral-fitting-tribute-legacy (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/22/privatising-thatchers-funeral-fitting-tribute-legacy)


or instead contribute to a more worthwhile case:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-22050854 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-22050854)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: simonm on 09 April 2013, 06:41:14 pm
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Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 09 April 2013, 06:53:06 pm
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Not sure grass clippings dumped on her grave will achieve anything.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: simonm on 09 April 2013, 06:54:41 pm
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Not sure grass clippings dumped on her grave will achieve anything.

If you're expecting some form of closure you'll be waiting a long time. Move on. Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Raymy on 09 April 2013, 08:13:46 pm
For someone that don't like to argue, ye sure like to get your oar in and wind it up some. And stop trying to close threads you didn't start will ya?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 09 April 2013, 08:15:15 pm
kicking grass on the shit doesn't stop the stink from still getting up your nose, were still living with her shit and the new gen of her type are dumping more and more on us.

Got quite a few tonnes of hay behind my van, but still not enough to cover the stench of her shit.

Any more crap metaphors ?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: simonm on 09 April 2013, 08:17:14 pm
For someone that don't like to argue, ye sure like to get your oar in and wind it up some. And stop trying to close threads you didn't start will ya?
Yes boss. Unnotify complete.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Raymy on 09 April 2013, 08:18:50 pm
Whit?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Looney tune on 09 April 2013, 08:25:48 pm
Yes, she might have destroyed a few mining communities! However, when taken against the complete destruction of the British economy that would have have taken place if she hadn't taken such needed action, it's a relatively small price to pay!


I hardly get involved with these type of threads but that is a belter from you. Next time your in my area do pop in and I'll take you to my home village and the other 30 odd villages where the miners worked and you can explain that comment to their families. My father mined for 35 years and I'm sure he for one would like to meet you.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 09 April 2013, 09:59:53 pm
Couldn't resist plagiarising this joke:


Breaking news...
 
 Baroness Thatcher pronounced fit for work according to ATOS.

 :rollin
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Phil on 09 April 2013, 10:27:46 pm
Shouldn't all the people here complaining about what Thatcher did to the miners/steel workers etc be riding British Triumphs and not Japanese bikes?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: dBfazer600 on 09 April 2013, 11:43:23 pm
Shouldn't all the people here complaining about what Thatcher did to the miners/steel workers etc be riding British Triumphs and not Japanese bikes?

Would this be the British Triumph that is owned by BMW (no BMW own the Triumph Motor company)


Just found this so with the looks of it is Bloor holdings Limited that own British Triumph and this is the individual

Bloor was born in a small Derbyshire village, his father was a coal miner. He suffered from health problems, and long absences from school limited his formal education, leaving school at the age of 15.


Daz
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: locksmith on 10 April 2013, 10:08:53 am
for those too young to know any better, grab a copy of "Boys from the Black stuff"
Southerners thought it was a comedy but it was the reality of life in Liverpool and the North at the time

I haven't watched that since it was on TV but if I remember rightly the most memorable thing was Yosser Hughes saying "Give us a job", not give me the right to live in social housing with at least 4 bedrooms because I need the room and on more benefits than the average working man can take home.
 
TBH I'm completely indifferent to the passing of Maggie. Yes I've had very worrying times but I've taken risks, put my entire lot on the line and have worked bloody hard to acheive what I've got.
I'm not a staunch party man, I vote for whoever I think Is best for me at the time.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: fireblake on 10 April 2013, 11:06:28 am
I remember reading an article about striking British Leyland workers being asked to support the miners. When they all met up to discuss the impending strike it was noted that most of the miners cars were Japanese or French. I love solidarity


Mickey
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Streetbudgie on 10 April 2013, 01:21:31 pm
For someone that don't like to argue, ye sure like to get your oar in and wind it up some. And stop trying to close threads you didn't start will ya?

Not only me that's noticed this then, I said it before Simonm you are a 'last word' merchant who likes to slam the door and flounce off.

If you got nothing to say then say nothing and let others have a conversation.

Weren't you still crapping in a nappy when Thatcher was destroying our jobs and flogging council houses to those that could already afford to buy anyway?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Streetbudgie on 10 April 2013, 01:25:30 pm
Before Maggie this country was going down the shitter (dead not buried, car plants striking every other day, 3 day week, streets full of rubbish, inflation at 22%, the pound worth F all, petrol rationing etc.) and that was under Labour.
Many of you on here really don't remember these days, I and my fellow war babies remember all what went on in this country before Maggie got in in 1979 and this country was well fucked, the IMF had to bale us out for fucks sake (Greece now) the 3 day week was the shits you could not even sign on the Buroo cos the Labour Government had no fuckin money to help families out, just like they left us after Broon & Darling had fucked us again.
So don't take your ire out on someone who had all that to contend with--short memories these Labour lefties have.

Bullshit, she used a sledgehammer to crack a nut and took great delight in boosting her ego while doing it.

This country was into debt for lots of reasons, one being the war debt we were paying to the USA - where were they when Thatcher slung our defenses into the Falklands because she wouldn't negotiate?  I'd have said stick your debt up your arse after that.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: steeeve66 on 10 April 2013, 02:11:15 pm
Before Maggie this country was going down the shitter (dead not buried, car plants striking every other day, 3 day week, streets full of rubbish, inflation at 22%, the pound worth F all, petrol rationing etc.) and that was under Labour.
Many of you on here really don't remember these days, I and my fellow war babies remember all what went on in this country before Maggie got in in 1979 and this country was well fucked, the IMF had to bale us out for fucks sake (Greece now) the 3 day week was the shits you could not even sign on the Buroo cos the Labour Government had no fuckin money to help families out, just like they left us after Broon & Darling had fucked us again.
So don't take your ire out on someone who had all that to contend with--short memories these Labour lefties have.

Bullshit, she used a sledgehammer to crack a nut and took great delight in boosting her ego while doing it.

This country was into debt for lots of reasons, one being the war debt we were paying to the USA - where were they when Thatcher slung our defenses into the Falklands because she wouldn't negotiate?  I'd have said stick your debt up your arse after that.

No, it really was going to the wall - I used to work in the print industry but outside the NGA and Sogat, and the unions were a crippling stop to any sort of business. I can only assume those who hated Thatch so much enjoyed the sort protection these Unions gave and, it follows, all the state subsidies that kept them afloat.

And we got plenty of assistance from the US over the Falklands, via NATO (I think Sidewinder was part of it but also Helicopter equipment plus plenty more).
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: The Rocketeer on 10 April 2013, 03:00:58 pm
Well that's the first time I've agreed with Oldgit  ;) 
I for one will mourn her loss, a great leader and a great Briton, a prime minister that restored pride and power to this country after years of ruination from that commie bastard Wilson. Beat the unions, beat Galtieri, brought down on Europe but proved right in the end, that's plain to see. The mines and manufacturing were already doomed before she came to power, who honestly thinks the mines would still be operating now?
Rest in peace Iron Lady, wish you could save the country again.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: popeye72 on 10 April 2013, 03:13:41 pm
Well that's the first time I've agreed with Oldgit  ;) 
I for one will mourn her loss, a great leader and a great Briton, a prime minister that restored pride and power to this country after years of ruination from that commie bastard Wilson. Beat the unions, beat Galtieri, brought down on Europe but proved right in the end, that's plain to see. The mines and manufacturing were already doomed before she came to power, who honestly thinks the mines would still be operating now?
Rest in peace Iron Lady, wish you could save the country again.

well said :)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 10 April 2013, 04:04:12 pm
my understanding of the definition of a great leader is their ability to unite and lead, she just divided, as seen by this thread and many other things going on at the moment
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: MarchRide on 10 April 2013, 04:13:34 pm
Bong for PM. 
 
(or Nigel Farage) 
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: JoeRock on 10 April 2013, 04:25:57 pm
my understanding of the definition of a great leader is their ability to unite and lead, she just divided, as seen by this thread and many other things going on at the moment

Personally, my definition of a great leader is one who isn't afraid to make the difficult decisions, even if it sets many against them!

Uniting and leading sounds to me what some kind of communist type dictator would want!
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 10 April 2013, 04:53:03 pm
my understanding of the definition of a great leader is their ability to unite and lead, she just divided, as seen by this thread and many other things going on at the moment

Personally, my definition of a great leader is one who isn't afraid to make the difficult decisions, even if it sets many against them!

Uniting and leading sounds to me what some kind of communist type dictator would want!

Communist type dictators. Let me think. They would the large corporations and the bankers, threatening to throw their toys out of the pram if they can't get their own way and pocket enough of our money.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 10 April 2013, 05:14:02 pm
Love or hatred of Thatcher appears to follow the North/South divide pretty well....

I'm 19, I'm not going to pretend I understand the suffering many families went through at the hands of her policies. But I'll say this: what about those who would have suffered without them? Had the miners got their way, the economy would have collapsed overnight, and the country would have been deeper in the shit that it was. Thatcher was no saint, but neither were the Union leaders.

Quote from: Daily Telegraph
Blythe said her dislike for the former prime minister came from being told she might never find work on leaving school in 1984.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9984646/Woman-behind-street-parties-to-celebrate-death-of-Margaret-Thatcher-named.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9984646/Woman-behind-street-parties-to-celebrate-death-of-Margaret-Thatcher-named.html)

Hell, my generation has been completely fucked over by the current shower of politicians. I, and many of my friends will leave University with nigh-on useless degrees, be unable to get jobs, and hardly able to support ourselves on the pittance they call the dole. All you who curse Thatcher's name, you're old enough to be past the misery that awaits me, and you should count your lucky stars for that!!

If I am to behave like this Romany Blythe character, the list is long for people for me to despise and hate. Blair, Brown, Cameron, Clegg, Merkel, Van Rompuy... the list goes on and on. But frankly, that takes up too much time, and I'll have to do the best with what I get anyway. You chaps did, you're able to look back on it now. I have it all to look forward to.


So yeah. Count your lucky stars, and spare a though for the poor bastards like me.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 10 April 2013, 05:59:34 pm
Love or hatred of Thatcher appears to follow the North/South divide pretty well....

I'm 19, I'm not going to pretend I understand the suffering many families went through at the hands of her policies. But I'll say this: what about those who would have suffered without them? Had the miners got their way, the economy would have collapsed overnight, and the country would have been deeper in the shit that it was. Thatcher was no saint, but neither were the Union leaders.

Quote from: Daily Telegraph
Blythe said her dislike for the former prime minister came from being told she might never find work on leaving school in 1984.

[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9984646/Woman-behind-street-parties-to-celebrate-death-of-Margaret-Thatcher-named.html[/url] ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9984646/Woman-behind-street-parties-to-celebrate-death-of-Margaret-Thatcher-named.html[/url])

Hell, my generation has been completely fucked over by the current shower of politicians. I, and many of my friends will leave University with nigh-on useless degrees, be unable to get jobs, and hardly able to support ourselves on the pittance they call the dole. All you who curse Thatcher's name, you're old enough to be past the misery that awaits me, and you should count your lucky stars for that!!

If I am to behave like this Romany Blythe character, the list is long for people for me to despise and hate. Blair, Brown, Cameron, Clegg, Merkel, Van Rompuy... the list goes on and on. But frankly, that takes up too much time, and I'll have to do the best with what I get anyway. You chaps did, you're able to look back on it now. I have it all to look forward to.


So yeah. Count your lucky stars, and spare a though for the poor bastards like me.


Do you also wank at the alter of the bankers?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 10 April 2013, 06:10:24 pm
Do you also wank at the alter of the bankers?

The bastards who caused the situation we're in now deserve everything they get. Right now, they're possibly more vilified than lawyers, and long may that last. I'm not going to lose any sleep over them though.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: JoeRock on 10 April 2013, 07:43:47 pm
my understanding of the definition of a great leader is their ability to unite and lead, she just divided, as seen by this thread and many other things going on at the moment

Personally, my definition of a great leader is one who isn't afraid to make the difficult decisions, even if it sets many against them!

Uniting and leading sounds to me what some kind of communist type dictator would want!

Communist type dictators. Let me think. They would the large corporations and the bankers, threatening to throw their toys out of the pram if they can't get their own way and pocket enough of our money.

Peter, guess what field I'm studying to enter, and guess what I've worked as previously in my life?
That said, I don't agree with a great deal of things that had previously taken place - investment banks and retail banking branches of the same company should not be allowed to mix for example, and although paying bonuses is fine when the company is profitable, I don't agree with paying bonuses after a publically funded bailout.
However, an extremely large reason the financial crisis took place was because people that couldn't afford mortgages took them out. You can argue it was the fault of the banks by offering them, but as far as I'm concerned people should be able to know what they can and can't afford.

Christo, just out of interest, what are you studying? I'm just about to finish my current degree and move onto an MSc course in Finance next year.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Streetbudgie on 10 April 2013, 08:32:45 pm
Her fucking funeral is going to cost £10 million, source http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/taxpayers-can-well-afford-to-contribute-to--estimated-10m-cost-of-baroness-thatchers-funeral-says-william-hague-8567102.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/taxpayers-can-well-afford-to-contribute-to--estimated-10m-cost-of-baroness-thatchers-funeral-says-william-hague-8567102.html)

I am fucking apoplectic with rage at this disgusting waste of mine and every other taxpayers hard earned money when the family are not short of a few quid.

Get the fuck ugly fat daughter and the useless twat of a son (presuming he's not lost in Milton Keynes or somewhere) to dig a hole and sling the old bag in it followed by some shite and gravel.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Chillum on 10 April 2013, 09:08:18 pm
Her fucking funeral is going to cost £10 million

It sounds like money well spent if you ask me. She was an icon of our times and widely respected throughout the world. What would it look like if we just slung her in a hole and chucked shit on it?/troll
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: locksmith on 10 April 2013, 09:23:07 pm
Whatever side of the fence you sit you can't argue that we should be burying her. Fecking £10,000,000 ????

Asuming the Independant isn't telling fibs ;)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 10 April 2013, 10:36:46 pm

However, an extremely large reason the financial crisis took place was because people that couldn't afford mortgages took them out. You can argue it was the fault of the banks by offering them, but as far as I'm concerned people should be able to know what they can and can't afford.

Christo, just out of interest, what are you studying? I'm just about to finish my current degree and move onto an MSc course in Finance next year.

Silly me. I hadn't realised that a bank's clients are supposed to do the risk taking analysis for them (and unpaid at that). So when I apply for a loan, should they be sending me details of their business model and other information so I can ensure I don't send them further in the red?

Any other core tasks they aren't supposed to do that we should know about? We'll lend a hand.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 10 April 2013, 10:45:54 pm
Christo, just out of interest, what are you studying? I'm just about to finish my current degree and move onto an MSc course in Finance next year.

I'm doing Aero Engineering, but try to keep up to date on current affairs, etc. At one point, I was debating whether I should be an engineer or a barrister, and the engineering won.

The main point I was originally trying to make is that every generation will have its shit patch, the chaps who are howling had theirs, they should spare a thought for the likes of us who are about to hit ours just as we leave education - one of the worst times to hit a crisis.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 10 April 2013, 10:58:57 pm
I'm doing Aero Engineering, but try to keep up to date on current affairs, etc. At one point, I was debating whether I should be an engineer or a barrister, and the engineering won.

Congratulations on your choice. Just remember that no generation deserves a shit patch as you put it.

Let's hope science and engineering regains its importance politically and economically to provide good R&D funding and lots of innovation. Trouble is, that requires politicians from a wide range of backgrounds and real jobs.

PS I mean real innovation, not "innovation" with fantasy fairy money in the financial "industry".
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Raymy on 11 April 2013, 07:44:58 am
Well thats a good choice, and one that somehow fits with the topic. Who knows it may even get you or someone to mars. Lets hope you don't make the fly a drifter tho. For that they'd need the heart of a lion, or maybe a ripple in space time to become a sci fi hero. Like a galaxy far, far away. Or maybe you'll stick to more domestic things like this double decker airbus. Bit tougher to engineer than a dairy milk float I reckon but either way, if yer good there's a chance you could make a mint. Or cause a ruffle.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: chaz on 11 April 2013, 09:38:45 am
Her fucking funeral is going to cost £10 million

It sounds like money well spent if you ask me. She was an icon of our times and widely respected throughout the world. What would it look like if we just slung her in a hole and chucked shit on it?/troll

well that's what the rest of us get?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 11 April 2013, 10:18:31 am
Just remember that no generation deserves a shit patch as you put it.


No one deserves it, everyone gets it. If I sit and cry in a hole about how unfair it is,I'll get fuck-all. Better for everyone concerned if I pick meself up, and get on with it.

My father is an English teacher, and regularly quotes poetry at me (A quote for every occasion!). And when I was a child, I had to learn "If" by Rudyard Kipling. The applicable phrases to this thread are:

Quote from: Rudyard Kipling, If
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
 And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
 If you can make one heap of all your winnings
 And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
 And lose, and start again at your beginnings
 And never breathe a word about your loss;
 If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
 To serve your turn long after they are gone,
 And so hold on when there is nothing in you
 Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'


It's sound advice (the poem was orginally written for his son, Jack, who was killed in the trenches in WWI at a very tender age). And the conclusion of the poem:

Quote from: Rudyard Kipling, If
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
 With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
 Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
 And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!
I don't think that needs much explanation.

Quote from: peterjca
Let's hope science and engineering regains its importance politically and economically to provide good R&D funding and lots of innovation. Trouble is, that requires politicians from a wide range of backgrounds and real jobs.

PS I mean real innovation, not "innovation" with fantasy fairy money in the financial "industry".


What industry? We got a talk at the beginning of the course, talking about all the "brilliant" things the UK did in the Aero sector. Us, who in the 50s and 60s had technology that was outstripping the Americans with their enormous R&D budgets. In the UK, the most noteworthy thing we do (apart from that paper lion, BAE) is building wings for Airbus. Not designing - BUILDING. The greatest aero companies are now assembling wings for a French commercial company.

The UK manufacturing industry was terribly mis-managed really. Triumph, Ariel, BSA, all gone bust because they didn't think of updating their product. And they're symbolic of the rest of the industry.

I watched an interesting documentary a few days back on Youtube (originally on the history channel) about motorcycles. Harley-Davidson nearly got run out of the market by the Japanese, however, the company refreshed itself, and came out with truly new tech for the bikes. Like 'em or loathe 'em, at least they're still going. The documentary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kphjh8XA71M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kphjh8XA71M)

Personally, the minute I have my degree, I intend to high-tail it across the Atlantic, and get work in an American firm. To quote Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits:
"I used to like to go to work but they shut it down
I got a right to go to work but there's no work here to be found " ~ Telegraph Road

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ponkster on 11 April 2013, 10:27:12 am
Well thats a good choice, and one that somehow fits with the topic. Who knows it may even get you or someone to mars. Lets hope you don't make the fly a drifter tho. For that they'd need the heart of a lion, or maybe a ripple in space time to become a sci fi hero. Like a galaxy far, far away. Or maybe you'll stick to more domestic things like this double decker airbus. Bit tougher to engineer than a dairy milk float I reckon but either way, if yer good there's a chance you could make a mint. Or cause a ruffle.

Nine choc bars - craving something?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 11 April 2013, 11:24:35 am

Personally, the minute I have my degree, I intend to high-tail it across the Atlantic, and get work in an American firm. To quote Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits:
"I used to like to go to work but they shut it down
I got a right to go to work but there's no work here to be found " ~ Telegraph Road

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48[/url])



You were doing so well until you informed us you'd use the resources of this country to enable you to fuck off elsewhere.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 11 April 2013, 11:29:45 am

Personally, the minute I have my degree, I intend to high-tail it across the Atlantic, and get work in an American firm. To quote Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits:
"I used to like to go to work but they shut it down
I got a right to go to work but there's no work here to be found " ~ Telegraph Road

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48[/url])



You were doing so well until you informed us you'd use the resources of this country to enable you to fuck off elsewhere.


Hey, I'm paying for my education sans loan, I am doing nothing but putting IN to the system.

And where do you want me to work? My previous point shows there's fuck-all here. If there were a decent aero company in the UK, I'd take that as a priority. As it is, I have a job lined up with a small company working on specialist tech. As it is, the company may be basing itself in the UK for its manufacturing due to over-stringent US regulations.

If there's no market, there's no work. I'd rather, ahem, "fuck off elsewhere" to work than stay here, go on the dole, and be nothing but a drain on the country's already shaky economy.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Dead Eye on 11 April 2013, 11:32:44 am

Personally, the minute I have my degree, I intend to high-tail it across the Atlantic, and get work in an American firm. To quote Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits:
"I used to like to go to work but they shut it down
I got a right to go to work but there's no work here to be found " ~ Telegraph Road

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48[/url])



You were doing so well until you informed us you'd use the resources of this country to enable you to fuck off elsewhere.


Hey, I'm paying for my education sans loan, I am doing nothing but putting IN to the system.

And where do you want me to work? My previous point shows there's fuck-all here. If there were a decent aero company in the UK, I'd take that as a priority. As it is, I have a job lined up with a small company working on specialist tech. As it is, the company may be basing itself in the UK for its manufacturing due to over-stringent US regulations.

If there's no market, there's no work. I'd rather, ahem, "fuck off elsewhere" to work than stay here, go on the dole, and be nothing but a drain on the country's already shaky economy.


What about BAE and potentially Rolls Royce? Both of these are very large firms and have massive aero engineering sites. Pretty sure they are both in Bristol though I think Rolls Royce may have moved...
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: thecert on 11 April 2013, 12:26:38 pm
Her fucking funeral is going to cost £10 million, source [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/taxpayers-can-well-afford-to-contribute-to--estimated-10m-cost-of-baroness-thatchers-funeral-says-william-hague-8567102.html[/url] ([url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/taxpayers-can-well-afford-to-contribute-to--estimated-10m-cost-of-baroness-thatchers-funeral-says-william-hague-8567102.html[/url])

I am fucking apoplectic with rage at this disgusting waste of mine and every other taxpayers hard earned money when the family are not short of a few quid.

Get the fuck ugly fat daughter and the useless twat of a son (presuming he's not lost in Milton Keynes or somewhere) to dig a hole and sling the old bag in it followed by some shite and gravel.

Good afternoon young man some very strong views there, I've read yours now read mine.
Firstly stop taking the piss out of Milton Keynes, have you ever been there???????   :D
Secondly how about showing a bit of respect for the deceased.  :eek    :evil
Thirdly are you aware that she negotiated billions in refunds from the EU for our country during her office, so a small price to pay I say!   :rolleyes
 
 
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Streetbudgie on 11 April 2013, 12:55:30 pm
Her fucking funeral is going to cost £10 million, source [url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/taxpayers-can-well-afford-to-contribute-to--estimated-10m-cost-of-baroness-thatchers-funeral-says-william-hague-8567102.html[/url] ([url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/taxpayers-can-well-afford-to-contribute-to--estimated-10m-cost-of-baroness-thatchers-funeral-says-william-hague-8567102.html[/url])

I am fucking apoplectic with rage at this disgusting waste of mine and every other taxpayers hard earned money when the family are not short of a few quid.

Get the fuck ugly fat daughter and the useless twat of a son (presuming he's not lost in Milton Keynes or somewhere) to dig a hole and sling the old bag in it followed by some shite and gravel.

Good afternoon young man some very strong views there, I've read yours now read mine.
Firstly stop taking the piss out of Milton Keynes, have you ever been there???????   :D
Secondly how about showing a bit of respect for the deceased.  :eek    :evil
Thirdly are you aware that she negotiated billions in refunds from the EU for our country during her office, so a small price to pay I say!   :rolleyes

 
 
If you knew anything about Thatcher and her feckless spawn you would know the joke was aimed at the half witted son and nothing to do with MK, however I have been there many times and I am fully aware of MK's shithole status.
 
I only show respect for those that show respect to me, I'm no hypocrite so I speak the same of the dead as I did of them when their cloven hooves walked on this planet.
 
Not the negotiatied billions in EU refunds argument again - based on a report by who? William Hague who clearly wanked himself to sleep every night in his Tory Boy apple pie bed at public school dreaming of the day Thatcher would bend over and let him pork her from behind.
 
She may have got some money back, so what, it's bad enough she ignored those she made jobless, homeless and future less without bringing in the sale of everything we already owned back to us and the huge job losses that caused and the sale of social housing without a care for those who had no chance of home ownership.
 
Respect? She didn't know the meaning of the word.
 
Oh yeah and my pensions fucked beacuse of the bitch and I've got to pay for her funeral and be happy about it?
 
I'd offer to buy a gallon of petrol to chuck over her but I can't afford it.
 
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 11 April 2013, 01:03:17 pm

Oh yeah and my pensions fucked beacuse of the bitch and I've got to pay for her funeral and be happy about it?
 
I'd offer to buy a gallon of petrol to chuck over her but I can't afford it.

You've got Brown and Blair to blame for those - Labour politicians, I believe....  :rolleyes
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Streetbudgie on 11 April 2013, 01:12:46 pm
Nope, Thatcher sold off BT and fucked me over so my pension lies dormant and losing value.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 11 April 2013, 01:34:38 pm
Quote
In the UK, the most noteworthy thing we do (apart from that paper lion, BAE) is building wings for Airbus. Not designing - BUILDING. The greatest aero companies are now assembling wings for a French commercial company.

Erm agree with pretty much everything else you said but my buddy who designed the fuel system for the A380 and spent 10 years getting it right would probably argue that we do a little more in the UK than just build wings. He's now working on the landing gear for the next one at Airbus. Works in Bristol and has done for the last 15 years or so and headed up huge design teams there working on both projects, plus there's all the suppliers, majority UK based who have their own design teams and engineers as well.

We think choosing tyres for bikes n cars is tricky - try choosing for a bloody huge plane! :-)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 11 April 2013, 01:51:54 pm
Quote
In the UK, the most noteworthy thing we do (apart from that paper lion, BAE) is building wings for Airbus. Not designing - BUILDING. The greatest aero companies are now assembling wings for a French commercial company.

Erm agree with pretty much everything else you said but my buddy who designed the fuel system for the A380 and spent 10 years getting it right would probably argue that we do a little more in the UK than just build wings. He's now working on the landing gear for the next one at Airbus. Works in Bristol and has done for the last 15 years or so and headed up huge design teams there working on both projects, plus there's all the suppliers, majority UK based who have their own design teams and engineers as well.

We think choosing tyres for bikes n cars is tricky - try choosing for a bloody huge plane! :-)

I was perhaps a bit hasty in that last comment. But the fact remains that Airbus is French, not English. We are now effectively subcontractors, when our Vickers, Avro and even Blackburn aircraft used to rule the skies. Likewise, I think that Rolls Royce are owned by the Germans now. As for BAE systems, they just about get by with a lot of government funding... Plus, ever since I got screwed around by the RAF when trying to join the Uni Air Arm, I have a profound mistrust of government controlled companies in the defence sector. In that respect, I'm all for privatisation!

No, the reason I want to work in the US (or wherever) is not through any treacherous desires, but because the US have a greater number of firms, a greater budget, and also individuals who are setting up small companies in the field I'm interested in.



Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 11 April 2013, 02:02:09 pm

Personally, the minute I have my degree, I intend to high-tail it across the Atlantic, and get work in an American firm. To quote Mark Knopfler and Dire Straits:
"I used to like to go to work but they shut it down
I got a right to go to work but there's no work here to be found " ~ Telegraph Road

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd3btVhwr48[/url])



You were doing so well until you informed us you'd use the resources of this country to enable you to fuck off elsewhere.


It's called getting off your arse and doing something about things rather than sitting moaning and talking about "woe is me look at the shite hand I've been dealt in life".



Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: richfzs on 11 April 2013, 02:53:02 pm
Easier to just expect the state to provide tho, eh?

Back when the welfare state was introduced, going on benefits carried great social stigma, it was to be avoided. Now, it's seen, by far too many people, as their right. Time to get back to how it should be!

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Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 11 April 2013, 03:05:57 pm
Time to get back to how it should be!


When bikes were fast, sex was safe, and you didn't need to take out a mortgage to fill up the car....  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Raymy on 11 April 2013, 03:53:08 pm
Richie.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: richfzs on 11 April 2013, 04:00:42 pm
That's pretty :-)

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Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Chillum on 11 April 2013, 04:21:56 pm
<snip>
She may have got some money back, so what, it's bad enough she ignored those she made jobless, homeless and future less without bringing in the sale of everything we already owned back to us and the huge job losses that caused and the sale of social housing without a care for those who had no chance of home ownership.
 
Respect? She didn't know the meaning of the word.
 
Oh yeah and my pensions fucked beacuse of the bitch and I've got to pay for her funeral and be happy about it?
 
I'd offer to buy a gallon of petrol to chuck over her but I can't afford it.

Sounds a bit like the sour grapes of a 'job-for-lifer' to me.

Selling BT was a GOOD thing for the country.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 11 April 2013, 05:02:00 pm
Easier to just expect the state to provide tho, eh?

Back when the welfare state was introduced, going on benefits carried great social stigma, it was to be avoided. Now, it's seen, by far too many people, as their right. Time to get back to how it should be!


Yup, those pesky bankers are only existing because of the welfare they're siphoning off the taxpayer. The banker welfare bill has eclipsed by utter magnitudes the welfare claimed by people.

No wonder bankers are socially stigmatised. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Chillum on 11 April 2013, 06:54:15 pm
It's possible that part of the reason they bailed out the banks and devalued the pound was because the financial industry currently represents about 43% of our GDP.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Streetbudgie on 11 April 2013, 08:48:51 pm
<snip>
She may have got some money back, so what, it's bad enough she ignored those she made jobless, homeless and future less without bringing in the sale of everything we already owned back to us and the huge job losses that caused and the sale of social housing without a care for those who had no chance of home ownership.
 
Respect? She didn't know the meaning of the word.
 
Oh yeah and my pensions fucked beacuse of the bitch and I've got to pay for her funeral and be happy about it?
 
I'd offer to buy a gallon of petrol to chuck over her but I can't afford it.

Sounds a bit like the sour grapes of a 'job-for-lifer' to me.

Selling BT was a GOOD thing for the country.

It's not sour grapes, it's working hard at an apprenticeship, passing college and going on to take an HND only to find the opportunity that you were promised is now taken away and you can have some shit job working on a poxy exchange and then a few months later be told that the exchange is closing and you are no longer required

So fuck off with your presumptions.

Selling BT was not a good thing, we already owned it, how would you like it if I took your bike away then offered to sell it back to you?

What about selling all the other nationalised industries that provided jobs for UK people? All the privatised industries that were supposed to promote competition and better value for money are charging inflated prices and all that money goes straight out of the UK to their overseas based offices, admin and call centers.

Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: headgonekneedown on 11 April 2013, 09:06:33 pm
Great thread  :lurk
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Chillum on 11 April 2013, 09:13:47 pm
<snip>
She may have got some money back, so what, it's bad enough she ignored those she made jobless, homeless and future less without bringing in the sale of everything we already owned back to us and the huge job losses that caused and the sale of social housing without a care for those who had no chance of home ownership.
 
Respect? She didn't know the meaning of the word.
 
Oh yeah and my pensions fucked beacuse of the bitch and I've got to pay for her funeral and be happy about it?
 
I'd offer to buy a gallon of petrol to chuck over her but I can't afford it.

Sounds a bit like the sour grapes of a 'job-for-lifer' to me.

Selling BT was a GOOD thing for the country.

It's not sour grapes, it's working hard at an apprenticeship, passing college and going on to take an HND only to find the opportunity that you were promised is now taken away and you can have some shit job working on a poxy exchange and then a few months later be told that the exchange is closing and you are no longer required

So fuck off with your presumptions.

Selling BT was not a good thing, we already owned it, how would you like it if I took your bike away then offered to sell it back to you?

What about selling all the other nationalised industries that provided jobs for UK people? All the privatised industries that were supposed to promote competition and better value for money are charging inflated prices and all that money goes straight out of the UK to their overseas based offices, admin and call centers.



Well, it always sucks when you work hard for something and you lose out through no fault of your own, but whoever said that we were owed anything in life, even if we work for it? You've most likely had a better life than you would have done than if you'd been born 200 years ago for instance, so it isn't all doom and gloom.

Thanks for letting me know where I can go with my presumptions. Perhaps I'll find you there with your ego?

The money from privatisation got us out of a lot of debt. I personally disagree with with the right to buy stuff, but you could do that before Maggie anyway. State monopolies had to go, it's the way of the world.

You might think it's bad here, but I've just come back from trying to live in North Wales, it's a lot worse there - and that's a lot to do with peoples' attitudes as much as anything else. If your attitude sucks, then you'll find fault with anything.

If you have a good attitude then you can find opportunities all over the place that you would otherwise not see for crying into your ale.

Guess which kind I'm presuming you have  :rollin
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 11 April 2013, 09:20:58 pm
on Aerospace remember Concorde goverment investment then sucessive goverments under invested and that's why that when down the tubes, same for British Leyland.

At least when kids leave school now that get offered some sort of training when I left school in 1980 there was no training schemes and 1 1/2 million unemployed and raising until Maggie started changing the definition of what was unemployed.

On Pensions remember the 80's Robert Maxwell and all those other asset strippers that just brought companies to close them because they had massive pension funds.

I've been living through boom and bust, I know I will die in harness because when I reach the new pension age it will have gone up again.

And those that think I should show some respect, this about sums up what I think about it

 The main point I was originally trying to make is that every generation will have its shit patch, the chaps who are howling had theirs, they should spare a thought for the likes of us who are about to hit ours just as we leave education - one of the worst times to hit a crisis. (http://foc-u.co.uk/The main point I was originally trying to make is that every generation will have its shit patch, the chaps who are howling had theirs, they should spare a thought for the likes of us who are about to hit ours just as we leave education - one of the worst times to hit a crisis.)

Oh and I've brought my copy of Ding Dong the Witch is Dead and it's looking good for being number One  :D

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2807687628/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2807687628/)




Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 11 April 2013, 09:25:55 pm
Ok I'll try again with that link
My Firefox really doesn't get on with this board

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/mark-steel-you-cant-just-shut-us-up-now-that-margaret-thatchers-dead-8568785.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/mark-steel-you-cant-just-shut-us-up-now-that-margaret-thatchers-dead-8568785.html)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 11 April 2013, 09:27:46 pm
I'm pretty sure Concorde went down the pan shortly after it went down in flames and don't forget the French owned half. It was never economical, efficient and hugely polluting both in emissions and noise. Great technology when it was launched but as a viable sustainable business was always doomed. British Leyland similar. Poor quality expensive and badly designed when compared to the emerging European and Japanese cars. Failed to innovate and couldn't compete with cheaper and better made cars from abroad. Simple business and consumerism took over. Most folks will buy ether quality at a cheaper price rather than poorer quality British products.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 11 April 2013, 09:30:45 pm
It's possible that part of the reason they bailed out the banks and devalued the pound was because the financial industry currently represents about 43% of our GDP.

You sure you're not a banker with an inflated sense of importance? 43% is extremely optimistic. Where did that come from? Andrew Haldane of the Bank of England states the financial services contribution to GDP is 10%.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good plunder of the taxpayer.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 11 April 2013, 09:33:09 pm
did you ever read my post TC underinvestment results in

 
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British Leyland similar. Poor quality expensive and badly designed when compared to the emerging European and Japanese cars. Failed to innovate and couldn't compete with cheaper and better made cars from abroad.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 11 April 2013, 09:35:58 pm
Oh and I've brought my copy of Ding Dong the Witch is Dead and it's looking good for being number One  :D

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2807687628/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2807687628/)

As the OP who set the subject of this thread, I had actually no idea that this facebook campaign existed. As much as I'd make myself ill so I could skitter over her final resting(?) place, I can't bring myself to join fuckbook, even if it is for a good cause.

Where else can I buy it from?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Streetbudgie on 11 April 2013, 09:43:09 pm
Yes that's right all the money from the sale of our national companies bought us out of debt.

Except it didn't. We only cleared the WW2 debt a few years ago.

Where did the money from the sale council homes go? We were promised new builds and improvements, what we got was nothing, nada, zilch.

No new homes and half the council properties in the borough I have just had to move out of are boarded up and  waiting for demolition, some for at least 5 years.

You think I have an ego? If I have learned anything it's how to be disappointed and lied to, no surprise I'm pissed off that now we have to pay 10 million to bury the person that destroyed any chance of improving my lot.

Guess you must be one of Maggie's alleged millions that just gobbled up shares in companies you already owned, bought your council house and couldn't give a toss about the jobless millions or the homeless you step over to get to your privately owned ex local authority family home which now houses you and your ego.

Oh yes we should all look on the brightside, 10 million years ago I might have been eaten by a sabre toothed tiger, try saying that to Welsh Miner who lost his home and saw his village and family torn apart as they all had to leave to find a menial job for minimum wage just so you can drink champagne and talk about your financial portfolio.




Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Streetbudgie on 11 April 2013, 09:46:28 pm
Oh and I've brought my copy of Ding Dong the Witch is Dead and it's looking good for being number One  :D

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2807687628/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2807687628/)

As the OP who set the subject of this thread, I had actually no idea that this facebook campaign existed. As much as I'd make myself ill so I could skitter over her final resting(?) place, I can't bring myself to join fuckbook, even if it is for a good cause.

Where else can I buy it from?

Amazon

I don't actually agree with this particular campaign though as it is profiteering and probably started by the copyright owner.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 11 April 2013, 09:46:55 pm
did you ever read my post TC underinvestment results in

And of course the Royal Mail is purposefully being run down and subject to cherry-picking to make it ripe for privatisation. Another momentous private failure, ending of the universal rate and fleecing of the cash-cow public coming to a town near you.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 11 April 2013, 09:50:47 pm
did you ever read my post TC underinvestment results in

And of course the Royal Mail is purposefully being run down and subject to cherry-picking to make it ripe for privatisation. Another momentous private failure, ending of the universal rate and fleecing of the cash-cow public coming to a town near you.

I thought you were all about choice after all didn't you want to be able to choose exactly which electrons and water molecules flowed to your house? Not much choice at the moment when it comes to choosing who to post your letters with is there? Royal Mail. Erm Royal Mail and ahhhh Royal Mail.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Streetbudgie on 11 April 2013, 09:59:48 pm
Isn't it only letters that you have to use RM on these days?

There's plenty of parcel delivery companies out there to choose from.

I thought e mail was killing postal letters anyway?

The only thing I have to post these days is my repeat script (which I pay for) because my GP is stuck in the 20th Century and refuses to accept reorders electronically.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 11 April 2013, 09:59:57 pm
did you ever read my post TC underinvestment results in

And of course the Royal Mail is purposefully being run down and subject to cherry-picking to make it ripe for privatisation. Another momentous private failure, ending of the universal rate and fleecing of the cash-cow public coming to a town near you.

I thought you were all about choice after all didn't you want to be able to choose exactly which electrons and water molecules flowed to your house? Not much choice at the moment when it comes to choosing who to post your letters with is there? Royal Mail. Erm Royal Mail and ahhhh Royal Mail.

I said nothing about being pro-choice. I pointed out to you the fact that we have mock competition in the utilities and the railways, and that real competition is impossible to achieve.

If you drew the conclusion that I am pro-choice and all for competition then you are wrong. Competition clearly has its place and can do good. But the private sector has been a failure in providing the infrastructure upon which our country is built. Royal Mail and the universal rate is part of that infrastructure. The NHS is part of that infrastructure. The utilities are too.

If the private sector can demonstrate delivery of a public spectacle such as the Olympics then I'll eat my FZ1.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 11 April 2013, 10:07:59 pm
Peterjca just buy the Judy Garland version from Amazon or Itunes and it will be counted in the charts  :D

♬ iTunes:

http://bit.ly/dingdongitunes (http://bit.ly/dingdongitunes)

♬ Amazon:
http://bit.ly/dingdongamazon (http://bit.ly/dingdongamazon)


play

http://www.play.com/Music/MP3-Download-Track/4-/12969485/0/Ding-Dong-The-Witch-Is-Dead/ListingDetails.html?aid=12968913&searchstring=judy+garland+ding&searchsource=0&searchtype=allproducts&urlrefer=search (http://www.play.com/Music/MP3-Download-Track/4-/12969485/0/Ding-Dong-The-Witch-Is-Dead/ListingDetails.html?aid=12968913&searchstring=judy+garland+ding&searchsource=0&searchtype=allproducts&urlrefer=search)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 11 April 2013, 10:09:54 pm
did you ever read my post TC underinvestment results in

And of course the Royal Mail is purposefully being run down and subject to cherry-picking to make it ripe for privatisation. Another momentous private failure, ending of the universal rate and fleecing of the cash-cow public coming to a town near you.

I thought you were all about choice after all didn't you want to be able to choose exactly which electrons and water molecules flowed to your house? Not much choice at the moment when it comes to choosing who to post your letters with is there? Royal Mail. Erm Royal Mail and ahhhh Royal Mail.

I hate to be pedantic about a point I agree with, but your point isn't exactly true.  TECHNICALLY speaking, you COULD post everything through DHL, FedEx, or through a courier company. However, none of those firms have a) got the same coverage as a nationalised postal service, and b) none are as cheap. People vote with their feet.

Interestingly enough, in France, the postal service is nationalised for letters, but parcels are sent via a private firm, Collissimo, who work exclusively for La Poste. You can send a parcel via Collissimo from any post office in France - a possible solution for the Brits?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 11 April 2013, 10:12:13 pm
If the private sector can demonstrate delivery of a public spectacle such as the Olympics then I'll eat my FZ1.

In the UK, or anywhere in the world? In either case, I hope you're hungry...  :evil
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 11 April 2013, 10:18:24 pm
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Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.


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Likewise, if I want to take a train from Guildford to London, I don't have a choice of trains from different providers to choose from.

and finally

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And privatisation of the utilities and railways has resulted in entities in which no real competition can ever operate (I'd like to have different water and electricity delivered to my house, please)

That's where I got the idea you want choice from. Your very own words.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 11 April 2013, 10:20:25 pm
Technically speaking wasn't LOCOG a private company?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 11 April 2013, 10:20:52 pm
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Struggling to understand how I can have the freedom of choice to choose which supplier's water molecules and electrons I can have delivered to my house.


Quote
Likewise, if I want to take a train from Guildford to London, I don't have a choice of trains from different providers to choose from.

and finally

Quote
And privatisation of the utilities and railways has resulted in entities in which no real competition can ever operate (I'd like to have different water and electricity delivered to my house, please)

That's where I got the idea you want choice from. Your very own words.


Then you misinterpreted, as I pointed out.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 11 April 2013, 10:22:45 pm
I interpreted what you put. Not my fault if you're not clear in your discussions. Those statements clearly state you want choice and competition but yet are an advocate of single entity state owned utilities and services. No wonder I'm bloody confused!
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 11 April 2013, 10:24:07 pm
Technically speaking wasn't LOCOG a private company?

Good grief. You really are clutching at straws. I wasn't aware that LOCOG paid for the Olympics.

I'll eat my FZ1 when private enterprise funds and provides a spectacle of Olympics proportions in the UK.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 11 April 2013, 10:25:02 pm
I interpreted what you put. Not my fault if you're not clear in your discussions. Those statements clearly state you want choice and competition but yet are an advocate of single entity state owned utilities and services. No wonder I'm bloody confused!

Edited; Now children, civility to one another if you don't mind. There's debate, discussion and even argument, but if we can refrain from hurling insults about then I'll be a happy Aegis and the Admin stick can remain covered in cobwebs and dust.

Love 'n Hugs
Aegis
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: dBfazer600 on 11 April 2013, 10:26:16 pm
Tonight
 
QUESTION TIME 2235 BBC 1
 
May just help with the debate and understanding of each others rationals.
 
It may not change each others point of view but could be an insight.
 
Daz
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 11 April 2013, 10:27:00 pm
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If the private sector can demonstrate delivery of a public spectacle such as the Olympics then I'll eat my FZ1.
you didn't say anything about 'pay' you said deliver. They delivered. Rather admirably it must be said although somewhat over budget it would appear.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Tcat2001 on 11 April 2013, 10:27:28 pm
I interpreted what you put. Not my fault if you're not clear in your discussions. Those statements clearly state you want choice and competition but yet are an advocate of single entity state owned utilities and services. No wonder I'm bloody confused!

My, isn't that a lovely fluffy lamb over there. Golly gosh, must mean summer is on it's way by Jingo. Huzza!!

Nice.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: peterjca on 11 April 2013, 10:37:44 pm
you didn't say anything about 'pay' you said deliver.

Another demonstration of twatdom. You clearly read what you want to read, and see what you want to see. Despite me telling you my views on competition and the fact you'd misinterpreted one of my comments, you insist that you know what I believe in, and that I do not know what I believe in. And you just had to continue arguing this.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: richfzs on 11 April 2013, 10:40:02 pm
Typical of the looney left to resort to responses like that.

Goes along well with the celebration of a death.

As I said many posts ago, have a word with yourselves, it's pathetic and does your cause no good whatsoever. Toys out of pram!

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Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Aegis Bearing Mel on 11 April 2013, 10:42:37 pm
Okay kiddies, I enjoy a good popcorn thread with the best of you, but if we can keep the personal insults off the thread I'd be a far happier Aegis.

At the end of the day it's an internet forum, doesn't say much for all of us if we can't have a reasoned debate without hurling abuse at one another.
That's what rotten fruit and Foc-U Meets are for.
 ;)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Chillum on 11 April 2013, 10:43:40 pm

Guess you must be one of Maggie's alleged millions that just gobbled up shares in companies you already owned, bought your council house and couldn't give a toss about the jobless millions or the homeless you step over to get to your privately owned ex local authority family home which now houses you and your ego.

Oh yes we should all look on the brightside, 10 million years ago I might have been eaten by a sabre toothed tiger, try saying that to Welsh Miner who lost his home and saw his village and family torn apart as they all had to leave to find a menial job for minimum wage just so you can drink champagne and talk about your financial portfolio.

This is fucking priceless  :rolleyes

When someone comes along and removes the shackles of socialism to sink or float as best I can, admittedly without much help, then I rejoice, but then I guess that's not a very popular point of view.

My old man was as blue collar as you can get, yet when I was 9 (in 1980) he bought me a computer because he could see it was a way out for me, it's one of the two or three things I like about him. Guess what, it paid off as that computer put me on a path that provides for me and my family now, many years later.

I never said I couldn't give a toss about jobless millions, and I'm aware that some people get a much rougher deal than me, but just because I care I should throw out sound financial policies because of a bleeding heart. New Labour did that and look what a shitty mess they left behind.

Personally I think that my life is much better for not being hunted by sabre-tooth tigers but they, that's me.

My champagne years with a chocolate box thatched cottage and heated swimming pool are over. Doesn't mean they won't come about again, and I'm working my nuts off to make sure I get back to that position - why the fuck shouldn't I?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: richfzs on 11 April 2013, 10:44:10 pm
You clearly read what you want to read, and see what you want to see.

One of the best examples of "pot and kettle" I've seen in a long while :rollin

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Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 11 April 2013, 11:10:07 pm
Being an anarchist, and all in favour of free speech, etc, it pains me to agree with an admin. But Aegis has a valid point. Swearing at each other achieves nothing.

This entire thread, the entire rejoicing about Maggie's death says a hell of a lot more about the posters than it does about Thatcher herself. What have we achieved, what has the entire "ding dong" movement achieved? Sod all, all it shows is that there are many embittered people out there who can't put things behind them, and will likely go to the grave cursing, and wishing ill of all and sundry.

And before you lay into me, I'd like to clarify a few things:

--> I am a Breton, more so than a Brit. the Bretons are known forn their stubborness and refusal to forgive. Yet this outpourong of undiluted hatred would shame the most embittered crone of the deepest cranny of Brittany

--> I am too young to have lived under Thatcher. I do know, however, that blaming todays problems on Thatcher is daft. We've had enough politicians between her and now to fuck us sideways twice, and still have time to flip our pension funds over for seconds.

--> This thread is very ironically being kept alive by anti-Thatcher sentiment. Surely if you're so happy she's dead, you should want to put all thought of her behind you, and achieve some kind of closure on the matter?

--> Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I do have respect for the dead. Just because Hitler and Stalin were evil bastards does not mean I will go and dance on their graves. I would not like to stoop to their level.

The way I see it, an old tired woman has shuffled off this mortal coil. As a Catholic, I believe there is retribution in the next life. What ever the mistakes she made whilst alive, she's gone now. Time to move on, and let her go.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: richfzs on 11 April 2013, 11:12:46 pm
Excellent post Christo :thumbup

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Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Chillum on 12 April 2013, 12:02:55 am
Well said Christo.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 12 April 2013, 01:00:14 am
http://maggiethatcher.com/pisstube.html (http://maggiethatcher.com/pisstube.html)


I'll keep posting as long as there are bites  :nana

Beat with that banning stick Baby,  :sex
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: dBfazer600 on 12 April 2013, 01:34:38 am
[url]http://maggiethatcher.com/pisstube.html[/url] ([url]http://maggiethatcher.com/pisstube.html[/url])


I'll keep posting as long as there are bites  :nana

Beat with that banning stick Baby,  :sex

 
 :rollin :rollin :rollin I hope people have this much fun when I is gone to  :faz  god.
 
Daz
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Streetbudgie on 12 April 2013, 10:08:17 am

This is fucking priceless  :rolleyes

When someone comes along and removes the shackles of socialism to sink or float as best I can, admittedly without much help, then I rejoice, but then I guess that's not a very popular point of view.

My old man was as blue collar as you can get, yet when I was 9 (in 1980) he bought me a computer because he could see it was a way out for me, it's one of the two or three things I like about him. Guess what, it paid off as that computer put me on a path that provides for me and my family now, many years later.

I never said I couldn't give a toss about jobless millions, and I'm aware that some people get a much rougher deal than me, but just because I care I should throw out sound financial policies because of a bleeding heart. New Labour did that and look what a shitty mess they left behind.

Personally I think that my life is much better for not being hunted by sabre-tooth tigers but they, that's me.

My champagne years with a chocolate box thatched cottage and heated swimming pool are over. Doesn't mean they won't come about again, and I'm working my nuts off to make sure I get back to that position - why the fuck shouldn't I?

Glad you liked it, I aim to please.
 
Not sure what you are trying to prove with the statement above, you were bought a PC in 1980 and it opened a door for you, ok, so what?
 
Do you expect every Welsh Miner to throw down their pick axe and embrace the new technological world and cry "thankyou Maggie for destroying my way of earning a living and opening my eyes to the career I really should have chosen"
 
Just because it worked for you at aged 9 does not mean it will work for a middle aged man who has done nothing but dig all his life, who wasn't privilged with the same level of education you had, especially on technology that wasn't even dreamed about when he was at school, working his bollocks off to put food on the table for his kids and keep a roof over their heads.
 
Way to come across as 'fuck everyone else, I'm alright jack'.
 
Anyway that point is moot as you were aged 9 in 1980 when I was at work striving to be the best apprentice I could only to have it all snatched away from me at the finishing post.
 
Of course you don't care about Thatcher the destroyer, you weren't there and it didn't affect you. In fact you think it benefited you as you can't see the repurcussions that are still going on today.
 
By the way your wonderful technology isn't worth a wank without fossil fuels to power it - good luck with solar and wind power, I hear they're doing really well, should have enough power to light a whole street by next year (unless the weather changes of course).
 
So we are all still dependant on dirty men working on oil rigs, down pits and in the bowels of dams, mining, drilling, creating and maintaining these resources.
 
Except none of that comes from the UK anymore or if it does (like North Sea Oil) it is financed overseas, with overseas employees and the profits go guess where - over fucking seas.
 
Still the main thing is you're ok.
 
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: richfzs on 12 April 2013, 10:20:31 am
On the other hand, you could get off your arse, accept the world is changing, and move with it.

Still, I suppose the inflexibility would allow us to have a "jurassic park" type setup without having all the hassle with the "recreation from dna" business

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Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Streetbudgie on 12 April 2013, 10:28:34 am
And that glib comment has what to do with Thatcher and her destruction of UK industry?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 12 April 2013, 10:29:45 am
On the other hand, you could get off your arse, accept the world is changing, and move with it.

Still, I suppose the inflexibility would allow us to have a "jurassic park" type setup without having all the hassle with the "recreation from dna" business

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Don't encourage him, Rich. Streetbudgie (and others) is clearly so bitter that he cannot put it to rest. For his sake, I hope he will be able to get over it; I know from experience that being that bitter only makes yourself unhappy.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Chillum on 12 April 2013, 10:37:38 am
Still the main thing is you're ok.

Yes, yes it is.

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Do you expect every Welsh Miner to throw down their pick axe and embrace the new technological world and cry "thankyou Maggie for destroying my way of earning a living and opening my eyes to the career I really should have chosen"

I didn't say anything about being happy about it, just that that is what they needed to do. Plenty of people learn new things, even into their old age, why not a miner? I'm not prejudiced, I think they had every right to embrace a new world and not bemoan the passing of an old one for 30+ years.

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Of course you don't care about Thatcher the destroyer, you weren't there and it didn't affect you. In fact you think it benefited you as you can't see the repurcussions that are still going on today.

I know I come across as being on another planet sometimes, but I don't think I really am, especially not when I was 9. I was at school during the teachers strikes and when they switched from O levels to a mish-mash prior to GCSE's, it was a mess so excuse me for thinking it did affect me. It just didn't STOP me.

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By the way your wonderful technology isn't worth a wank without fossil fuels to power it
*cough* Nuclear power *cough*
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: richfzs on 12 April 2013, 10:45:24 am
And that glib comment has what to do with Thatcher and her destruction of UK industry?

If you have to ask that, I, and several others commenting here, really are wasting our time.

Christo, fair point mate!

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Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: caretaker on 12 April 2013, 10:49:51 am
good grief!! is this still going on!! go out there, fire the bike up, enjoy the ride and chill. i was affected by thatchers policies but it was years ago. life's too short. :)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 12 April 2013, 10:52:04 am
good grief!! is this still going on!! go out there, fire the bike up, enjoy the ride and chill. i was affected by thatchers policies but it was years ago. life's too short. :)

^^ Best post in this miserable thread.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 12 April 2013, 10:52:43 am
There was an interesting interview with ex Welsh Miners on Telly about 5 years after the pits were closed.

When asked about the retaining they got, when it was finally offered to them.

One miner replied

"yea the retaining was fantastic, I went from being an unemployed miner to an unemployed HGV driver"

Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Pat on 12 April 2013, 11:44:23 am
Peterjca just buy the Judy Garland version from Amazon or Itunes and it will be counted in the charts  :D

♬ iTunes:

[url]http://bit.ly/dingdongitunes[/url] ([url]http://bit.ly/dingdongitunes[/url])

♬ Amazon:
[url]http://bit.ly/dingdongamazon[/url] ([url]http://bit.ly/dingdongamazon[/url])


play

[url]http://www.play.com/Music/MP3-Download-Track/4-/12969485/0/Ding-Dong-The-Witch-Is-Dead/ListingDetails.html?aid=12968913&searchstring=judy+garland+ding&searchsource=0&searchtype=allproducts&urlrefer=search[/url] ([url]http://www.play.com/Music/MP3-Download-Track/4-/12969485/0/Ding-Dong-The-Witch-Is-Dead/ListingDetails.html?aid=12968913&searchstring=judy+garland+ding&searchsource=0&searchtype=allproducts&urlrefer=search[/url])



Personally even though as someone who left school within weeks of her being elected & not managing to get a 'real' job for 5 years I was one of the 'affected' & also having spent a large part of my teens & early 20s as an active member of the LPYS & fringe Militant associate (unlike I suspect most of the armchair socialists celebrating her death) I don't really give a toss one way or another about her demise, she was 87 & people that age die all the time, it's sad for the families, but it's the way of nature, I left the hate & animosity behind years ago & like the rest of the world moved on.


What does get me though is this campaign.  We have a group of people who are allegedly against all she stood for & symbolised & how are they going to show that?  Yes, they are going to indulge in a frenzy of pointless consumerism & throw their money into the overflowing coffers of some of the most avaricious capiltalists & tax-dodgers on the planet!

Congratulations you morons, you've succeeded in giving her in death the one thing she could never achieve in life, the last laugh!   :groan
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Streetbudgie on 12 April 2013, 12:32:10 pm
And that glib comment has what to do with Thatcher and her destruction of UK industry?

If you have to ask that, I, and several others commenting here, really are wasting our time.

Christo, fair point mate!

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Explain it to me as it is sounds like the usual Tory Boy spout of 'times are changing' used to justify the deconstruction of an economy

I'm not bitter about what Thatcher did, I was then and always will be angry about it. However my pleasure was watching the evil women ousted from Number 10 with her head down in tears - that really made me chuckle.

If you bothered to read my posts at all instead of ganging up like Tory Boot Boys do to attack the Socialist (which I'm not), you would read that what has annoyed me about recent events is the disgusting cost of a state funeral for this person to be bourne in part by the taxpayer.

I couldn't give a fuck about Thatcher up to this point, I couldn't care less if she's dead or alive as I knew she was finished although her shocking and uncaring legacy lives on - NHS look out.

I knew when the day came there would be much fuss and probably a few riots and I don't care about them either, good luck to people who want to kick off in the name of Thatcher - she liked a good riot otherwise her wicked Poll Tax wouldn't have made it out of the cabinet office.

Oh and I ride my bike every day - to work, I have no choice as I can't afford to drive to work and I can't afford Public Transport.

Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 12 April 2013, 12:32:48 pm
If spending 69p makes a point that gets more publicity world wide, that not the whole country wish to sanctify the old witch, than Glenda Jacksons speech in the house
Then I am quite happy to spend it.

Better that, than to go on the streets and create havoc and have the inevitable violence that follows as the rent a mob joins in.

Protesting in the streets does nothing, the Political  Parties are all the same now which ever way you look.
If something as little as 69p draws attention to the Tax payers money being spend on the recall of Parliment the cost of the funeral and everything else at a time when private companies are making fortunes on telling disabled people they are fit for work when later on appeal they are declared not fit or dead.

When companies openly boast about savings to be made on payroll costs by having people to work for nothing on the goverment private company taking profits run so called back to work schemes. that get less people back in work than doing nothing

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Then I am quite happy to spend that 69p



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Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: chaz on 12 April 2013, 03:13:03 pm
Will the BBC play ding dong or will it join the list of hundreds of other song they've banned at one time or another from George Formby with his little stick of Blackpool rock to God Save the Queen - The Sex Pistols?

.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_banned_by_the_BBC
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: ChristoT on 12 April 2013, 03:25:29 pm
[url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_banned_by_the_BBC]www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_banned_by_the_BBC[/url] ([url]http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_banned_by_the_BBC[/url])


Interesting link that. I was surprised by some of the entries.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Chillum on 12 April 2013, 04:33:08 pm
From the wiki page..

"Others were banned many years after having been first aired, as was the case of The Cure's 1979 single "Killing an Arab", which was banned from BBC airplay as the first Gulf War began"

This is actually quite funny, because I used to be into the Cure and when I visited Saudi I discovered the 'tape' shops - basically knocked off music from Abba to ZZ Top. The tapes they copied onto were usually longer than the original albums so they used to stuff extra songs on there.

Consider my surprise when I heard Killing an Arab for the first time, in Saudi Arabia, sold to me by Arabs. Oh, and the lyrics they used to print with the songs were often hilariously wrong, but that one they got spot on - go figure.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 12 April 2013, 07:22:57 pm

 
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Being an anarchist, and all in favour of free speech,.........................
 
 As a Catholic, I believe there is retribution in the next life. What ever the mistakes she made whilst alive, she's gone now. Time to move on, and let her go.

 Haven't looked at this thread for days, well since I last posted.  8 pages - gosh.
 
 I'm not an anarchist but I do know quite a few folks who are.  I have to say I've never come across a Catholic Anarchist.  How the heck does that work?
 
 I have to say I was pretty sickened by the BBC's inital coverage of her death, just as I was a few years back when that other nasty bastard Reagan died.  I'm also disgusted that this woman is getting a massive funeral, this umm, ceremonial funeral.  I still haven't seen any explanation of why Thatcher is getting such a lavish funeral and being treated as some sort of universal nation treasure.  Why is she not having a quiet funeral as is the norm for ex PM's?

But you gotta laugh when Ding Dong The Witch is Dead hits No.1  It's only a few buttons in the scheme of things and despite all the propaganda being spouted by the powers that be and the BBC, well there it is, you can't deny how the nation really feels.
Her death makes no difference, she won, she destroyed our Unions and our communities, and in the longer term our economy, of which Cameron and his millionaires have no intention  of sorting out, only cutting their costs and ripping as much cash out of us as they can while they can.  Maggie won, we live with her legacy, but who can be surprised by the reaction when the government of the day goes into overdrive to praise and celebrate her life that there is, however it is expressed, a substantial and negative reaction from people across the UK.
My only hope is in the longer term is that people engage their brains, and link together the governments of the last few decades, as after all many would say that Tony Blair was Maggie's greatest achievement, these governments that destroyed our country's post war dream of a fair and civil society for all.
Meanwhile as a Scot, how does not ever want another Tory government imposed on us (Maggie's other great achievement, though one she would probably deny - The Scottish Parliament), I can only congratulate David Cameron and his true blue buddies in their fantastic campaigning effort for Scottish Independence over the last week.  Thanks Dave!
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: DryRob on 13 April 2013, 02:38:11 am
...and i thought i could talk after a drink.

Can't help but notice the supporters seem to be saying "it made the country stronger, get over it", while the opponents shout, "at what cost?" but each argument falls on deaf ears. Everyone is so entrenched that there will never be consensus.

Blaming following governments is pointless, the route is set and "Thatchetism" will run it's course until people have had enough of standing on each other for personal gain.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: DryRob on 13 April 2013, 02:38:32 am
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Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Chillum on 13 April 2013, 09:41:44 am
Blaming following governments is pointless, the route is set and "Thatchetism" will run it's course until people have had enough of standing on each other for personal gain.

When you've been stepped on for personal gain (or even just spite) so much by just about everybody you've ever known or met, there comes a time when you have to accept it as part of human nature and deal with it.

Not everybody's nature, granted, but then hippies aren't the ones in power making the rules.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 13 April 2013, 09:56:15 am
I'm really struggling with this just accept it and move on argument.

Where would women be if they just accepted that they get paid lees for doing the same job as men?
Where would women be if they just accepted that they didn't have the vote?
Where would the common man be if they just accepted that they didn't have the vote?
Where would the Tolpuddle Martyrs be if they just accept their lot?
Where would we be if the Parlimentarians just accepted that the King had the devine right to rule how he pleased?
Were would we be if the Barons just accepted their lot and we didn't have Magna Charter?
Where would we be if King Alfred accepted defeat and didn't come out of the marshes and introduce common Law?
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: richfzs on 13 April 2013, 10:27:48 am
What exactly is "ding dong the witch is dead" fighting against?

Thatcherism happened, like it or not. Look to the future, and what you'd like to change, instead of looking backwards with so much bitterness!

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Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Grahamm on 13 April 2013, 11:19:06 am
Meanwhile...

After Margaret Thatcher's funeral, a short documentary on the writing of Tony Blair's eulogy will be available on BBC iPlayer.

Just search for the Blair/ Witch project...
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: evesdad on 13 April 2013, 11:48:40 am
I'm really struggling with this just accept it and move on argument.

Where would women be if they just accepted that they get paid lees for doing the same job as men?
Where would women be if they just accepted that they didn't have the vote?
Where would the common man be if they just accepted that they didn't have the vote?
Where would the Tolpuddle Martyrs be if they just accept their lot?
Where would we be if the Parlimentarians just accepted that the King had the devine right to rule how he pleased?
Were would we be if the Barons just accepted their lot and we didn't have Magna Charter?
Where would we be if King Alfred accepted defeat and didn't come out of the marshes and introduce common Law?


As far as the tories are concerned probably in our rightful places
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: caretaker on 13 April 2013, 12:35:47 pm
i believe that children are our future....
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Chillum on 13 April 2013, 01:20:00 pm
i believe that children are our future....


I understand the sentiment, but I've noticed that this seems to be used a lot by people who then don't bother doing anything themselves because the children will sort it out. Not saying you are, just saying I've noticed it in others who say the same thing.

Quote from: Razgruff
I'm really struggling with this just accept it and move on argument.


You say this as if moving on from stuff that upsets you is a bad thing.

Dealing with reality and getting on with your life without rancour to towards the things of the past is part of a good attitude in my opinion, because dwelling on stuff you can't change just makes you bitter and angry and upset and unhappy.

I'm not suggesting that if there is something in your life you don't like then just accept it and don't deal with it, quite the opposite.

In the words of Brian Blessed regarding someone on the dole for thirty years - "pull your finger out and get off your arse you lazy bastard" :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01ry872/Have_I_Got_News_for_You_Series_45_Episode_2/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01ry872/Have_I_Got_News_for_You_Series_45_Episode_2/)

about 8m45s in :D
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Razgruff on 13 April 2013, 01:36:52 pm
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Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: caretaker on 13 April 2013, 02:40:23 pm
wasnt meant to be taken seriously. it's a line from whitney houstons song. just trying to brighten up the proceedings :)
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: XTremo on 13 April 2013, 02:49:35 pm
Every Thatcher thread I've seen ends up getting unpleasant because people always have polar opposite views! There's no grey area on this one.

All I'll say is that I'm a South Wales boy so you can pretty much guess my opinion of her without even needing to say a word.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: Chillum on 13 April 2013, 03:03:53 pm
I think it's fine for people to have opposing views and airing them, I just think the people who are pouring out vitriol by the bucket-load in some kind of witch-hunting frenzy need to take a look in the mirror whilst their doing it to see what it looks like...it aint pretty.
Title: Re: Ding dong the witch is dead
Post by: richfzs on 13 April 2013, 03:15:28 pm
I think it's fine for people to have opposing views and airing them, I just think the people who are pouring out vitriol by the bucket-load in some kind of witch-hunting frenzy need to take a look in the mirror whilst their doing it to see what it looks like...it aint pretty.

That's kinda what I've been saying since reply #14 on this thread :thumbup