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Title: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 03 December 2019, 07:00:59 am
one for all you fair weather riders , for me, long summer days are for riding but to get the most out of our fazers they need to be looked after , so whilst iam out riding iam making a list of improvements and jobs that need doing when the cold ,wet weather comes.......thing is though,i never get the jobs done, far too cold in the garage this time of year  :o .....


thats got to change this year as i have a problem thats put me off the road so if i want to enjoy long days in the saddle next spring / summer i got to get out there are get things sorted now....


thought i would start this thread as a bit of kick up the backside for me and also maybe to help others who are doing the same....




so............what you got planned this winter ?


Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 03 December 2019, 08:16:47 am
iam lucky to have both the 6 and thou fazers ,the 6 ive had for many,many years and is very well looked after ,the thou was bought to ride and thats excatly what ive been doing for the last 5 years or so....back in october i was planning to go to the classic bike show in stafford a 260 mile round trip for me so i took the thou for comfort but with only 5 miles done i pulled up at a junction only to be surrounded by a plume of steam ,coolant was leaking onto the exhaust  :'( ..let the old girl cool down and take a slow ride home , got the 6 out and had a good day at the show.....


last weekend i dug the thou out and had a look .looks like the leak was coming from the expansion tank area and dripping down onto the exhaust,hence the steam ,difficult to see exactly so i thought the rear suspension could do with a clean and re-grease so i stripped the back end out along with the rear mudguard which gave me good access to the tank ,still cant see where the leak is so i decide to take the exhaust off to have a better look,exhaust studs dont look good so plenty of plusgas over a number of days and i manage to get 6 of the nuts off,i broke the other 2 studs  :'( ...exhaust bracket thats welded to the collector box is also broken ,come adrift at the weld so theres another job and remember ive still not found the leak  :rolleyes


i ground down the 2 broken studs and drilled out with 3mm drill ,they both broke easy but are a little harder to drill out, thats as far as ive got




going to see if i can find some reverse drills to get the rest of the studs out if not i can see this ending up needing a couple of helicoils......


plenty to keep me busy this winter but it will be worth it when iam back on the road in the spring  :thumbup






will post some piccies later when ive worked out how the new wifi works....ie.....get my son to sort it when he gets in   :lol [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 03 December 2019, 12:00:10 pm
My Triumph gets pressed in to service during the winter, in an attempt to save the Fazer for "best", so the latter is having some tlc lavished on it. Have just done the valve clearances and am waiting for the cam cover and generator cover to come back from the powder coaters. In the meantime the exup will get an overhaul. Then when it's back together and running, I'll strip the wheels and get them powder coated as well. Then I'll have to have a save up to get new tyres on my hopefully minty wheels. The only other job will be to replace my usb socket which let me down on my last trip, and maybe fit heated grips which would be handy for future alpine adventures.
Title: Re: winter maintenance ,what you got planned ?
Post by: Fazerider on 03 December 2019, 12:42:08 pm

Good luck with the exhaust studs. I currently have the same problem with my 600.
Aside from an MOT my Fazer has been nowhere this year.
The plan was to swap the engine as the gearbox is knackered (and the motor has 120k on it, so not worth repairing), but I’ve not found the time and enthusiasm to make much progress.
The “new” engine had a couple of snapped exhaust studs, I drilled and retapped, though might go up to 8mm as I’m not really happy with the job I did.
Also discovered the frame needs some welding which I’ll have to get someone else to do as my skills are not up to the task.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 03 December 2019, 01:19:11 pm
iam lucky to have both the 6 and thou fazers ,the 6 ive had for many,many years and is very well looked after ,the thou was bought to ride and thats excatly what ive been doing for the last 5 years or so....back in october i was planning to go to the classic bike show in stafford a 260 mile round trip for me so i took the thou for comfort but with only 5 miles done i pulled up at a junction only to be surrounded by a plume of steam ,coolant was leaking onto the exhaust  :'( ..let the old girl cool down and take a slow ride home , got the 6 out and had a good day at the show.....
last weekend i dug the thou out and had a look .looks like the leak was coming from the expansion tank area and dripping down onto the exhaust,hence the steam ,difficult to see exactly so i thought the rear suspension could do with a clean and re-grease so i stripped the back end out along with the rear mudguard which gave me good access to the tank ,still cant see where the leak is so i decide to take the exhaust off to have a better look,exhaust studs dont look good so plenty of plusgas over a number of days and i manage to get 6 of the nuts off,i broke the other 2 studs  :'( ...exhaust bracket thats welded to the collector box is also broken ,come adrift at the weld so theres another job and remember ive still not found the leak  :rolleyes
i ground down the 2 broken studs and drilled out with 3mm drill ,they both broke easy but are a little harder to drill out, thats as far as ive got
going to see if i can find some reverse drills to get the rest of the studs out if not i can see this ending up needing a couple of helicoils......
plenty to keep me busy this winter but it will be worth it when iam back on the road in the spring  :thumbup
will post some piccies later when ive worked out how the new wifi works....ie.....get my son to sort it when he gets in   :lol
VNA, that sounds like a leak from the water pump mechanical seal. Since it is inside the engine there is an internal pipe from the water pump housing which directs the coolant out through a hole in the sump directly on to the Exhaust.
Oil pump and water pump are on the same shaft driven by a chain.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: tex on 03 December 2019, 01:44:49 pm
I normally  reagrease  suspension , and clean brake pistons , but only done a thousand miles this year so will change oil and filter. Got to sort a electrical problem out, it has a drain somewhere  it will go from fully charged to flat in two days if I don't use it , it charges up fine when running battery is new , so should keep me busy over winter, my son has a derbi cross city 125 now so I'll be servicing that at some point,  it's his only form of transport for work and colledge so probably on a weekend feel sorry for the bike as it's has a hard life being ridden within a inch of its life 😨
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: mtread on 03 December 2019, 02:52:10 pm
Half a centre stand to strip and repaint (again) :o
The other side is permanently kept fresh by constant Scottoiler spray  :)
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 03 December 2019, 06:12:00 pm
iam lucky to have both the 6 and thou fazers ,the 6 ive had for many,many years and is very well looked after ,the thou was bought to ride and thats excatly what ive been doing for the last 5 years or so....back in october i was planning to go to the classic bike show in stafford a 260 mile round trip for me so i took the thou for comfort but with only 5 miles done i pulled up at a junction only to be surrounded by a plume of steam ,coolant was leaking onto the exhaust  :'( ..let the old girl cool down and take a slow ride home , got the 6 out and had a good day at the show.....
last weekend i dug the thou out and had a look .looks like the leak was coming from the expansion tank area and dripping down onto the exhaust,hence the steam ,difficult to see exactly so i thought the rear suspension could do with a clean and re-grease so i stripped the back end out along with the rear mudguard which gave me good access to the tank ,still cant see where the leak is so i decide to take the exhaust off to have a better look,exhaust studs dont look good so plenty of plusgas over a number of days and i manage to get 6 of the nuts off,i broke the other 2 studs  :'( ...exhaust bracket thats welded to the collector box is also broken ,come adrift at the weld so theres another job and remember ive still not found the leak  :rolleyes
i ground down the 2 broken studs and drilled out with 3mm drill ,they both broke easy but are a little harder to drill out, thats as far as ive got
going to see if i can find some reverse drills to get the rest of the studs out if not i can see this ending up needing a couple of helicoils......
plenty to keep me busy this winter but it will be worth it when iam back on the road in the spring  :thumbup
will post some piccies later when ive worked out how the new wifi works....ie.....get my son to sort it when he gets in   :lol
VNA, that sounds like a leak from the water pump mechanical seal. Since it is inside the engine there is an internal pipe from the water pump housing which directs the coolant out through a hole in the sump directly on to the Exhaust.
Oil pump and water pump are on the same shaft driven by a chain.








VNA....yes,thinking the same,i`ll get the exhausts sorted and start the old girl up without downpipes so i get a clear view....what is going to hold me up is the decorating of the spare bedroom ,got an army coming for christmas and nowhere to put them.....thanks for you info UNFAZED....calling me VNA was a bit harsh........ :lol
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 03 December 2019, 06:19:48 pm
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Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 03 December 2019, 07:32:18 pm
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wonder if VNA has any winter maintence plans ?

Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 03 December 2019, 07:50:25 pm
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([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/embarrassed.gif[/url]) it was a terrible thing to do.

A man could be called worse.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: mtread on 03 December 2019, 07:54:04 pm
I'm Spartacus, no I'm Spartacus  :)
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 03 December 2019, 08:28:15 pm
looking a bit sorry for itself.......as it is now.i will be dropping the forks and front wheel to make it easier to bore and tap the exhaust studs..
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 03 December 2019, 11:37:45 pm
Looks like that Abba Sky Lift would have come in very handy Mr.Red. :D
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 04 December 2019, 06:49:46 am
yes, indeed mr R.....still looking but i think i`ll go for one of the bench type lifts ,come the spring when all the work is done i might have a go at making one myself......its not fun crawling about on a cold garage floor at my age , a big risk of not being able to get back up again  :o :o
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 04 December 2019, 09:16:04 am
Totally agree with all points. My Machine Mart table has certainly paid back the initial outlay in spades. They do come up for sale now and then on another forum I'm on, I could keep you posted on any if that's any help. It's having access to a van or trailer to get it home is the main problem.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: Trebus on 04 December 2019, 12:17:35 pm
Got mine on one of the Machine Mart ‘VAT free’ offers. Great piece of kit and had plenty of use in the approx 7 years I’ve had it.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 04 December 2019, 02:16:10 pm
+1 for the VAT free offer :thumbup
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: Stormbringer on 04 December 2019, 02:39:55 pm
I've already done most of the winter maintenance .
Still to do ,[size=78%]new chain(DID x ring)  and sprokets .[/size]
New front tyre .(Michelin Road 5)
New brake pads .
Fit Data tool gear indicatior .
Thats it for now .
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 04 December 2019, 03:16:34 pm
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Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 04 December 2019, 03:24:07 pm
 
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wonder if VNA has any winter maintence plans ?
Hmmm, that’s a thought.  New bike is on my mind – umm as usual. 



But I don’t plan to get rid of the thou.  It could do with a little attention though.

But then looking at those photos red98 I’m also feart I’ll just start breaking things.
That is one thing I regret not doing years ago – popping the downpipes off.  They could do with coming off now just for a good clean and check behind em, but then I’ll just end up wi sheared studs.
 
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: coffee on 04 December 2019, 04:12:48 pm
(https://live.staticflickr.com/2948/15310364649_3a9276a7b0_o.jpg)
   is that an ABBA stand?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 04 December 2019, 04:37:52 pm
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   is that an ABBA stand?
Nope.  It's an ABBA Skylift.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 04 December 2019, 06:40:11 pm
your just bl**dy teasing me now ...... :'( .....super clean fazer,abba skylift and what looks like a very nice garage...........think of me over the next few weeks grovelling about on a cold garage floor   :\ :\ :\




anyway , pat bought me a parcel today....8 stainless exhaust studs and 8 stainless domed nuts....its the little things in life that make me happy  ;)     :lol
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 04 December 2019, 06:48:12 pm
 
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your just bl**dy teasing me now ...... :'( .....super clean fazer,abba skylift and what looks like a very nice garage...........think of me over the next few weeks grovelling about on a cold garage floor   :\ :\

I think the camera flatters both the bike and my garage.  The garage is a good size and was built along with the house round about 1932.  It’s cold and damp in there, though dry if you know what I mean.


The Skylight so far has just been used for routine maintenance.  It’s great to be able to service brakes and stuff without having to get down on yer knees. 



Hope you get those studs sorted red98.
 
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 04 December 2019, 06:59:37 pm
 One of the things I had to do after I bought this house was dig the garage out.  Water was coming in through the brickwork.  It was foccin horrible inside.  So dug it out (almost killed me) and got it tanked, put a drain in and filled it back in. 


(https://live.staticflickr.com/8152/7576614086_9f8716e7d3.jpg)

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Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 04 December 2019, 07:05:49 pm
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your just bl**dy teasing me now ...... :'( .....super clean fazer,abba skylift and what looks like a very nice garage...........think of me over the next few weeks grovelling about on a cold garage floor   :\ :\

I think the camera flatters both the bike and my garage.  The garage is a good size and was built along with the house round about 1932.  It’s cold and damp in there, though dry if you know what I mean.


The Skylight so far has just been used for routine maintenance.  It’s great to be able to service brakes and stuff without having to get down on yer knees. 



Hope you get those studs sorted red98.














iam sure i`ll be ok with the studs VNA , i`ve bought 8 sets but think i`ll just replace the 2 broken studs but replace all 8 nuts with the domed ones which should help in the future  :thumbup ....


i do like those abba lifts ,but owning 5 bikes at the moment it makes sense for me to have a table , parhaps a present to myself in the new year  ;)
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: agricola on 04 December 2019, 08:29:51 pm
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   is that an ABBA stand?


Tight foccers rigged up an old push bike to wind his garage door up and down :lol
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 04 December 2019, 09:05:00 pm
Well as a Scot ah do like tae get value for money.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: fazersharp on 04 December 2019, 09:26:38 pm
Well as a Scot ah do like tae get value for money.
Tight arse could of paid the builders to put a ceiling in your living room  :lol   
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 05 December 2019, 10:42:28 am
 
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Tight arse could of paid the builders to put a ceiling in your living room  :lol   
I put some extra joists in at the rear and floored the rear third of the garage loft.


This garage was pretty focced when I got my hands on it including the door.  I do wish I had of got a roller door rather than an up and over.  That way I could have made even more use of the roof space. 
 
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: Oldgit on 05 December 2019, 11:25:15 am

oiling the garage locks--end of.

Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: coffee on 05 December 2019, 11:42:45 pm
One of the things I had to do after I bought this house was dig the garage out.  Water was coming in through the brickwork.  It was foccin horrible inside.  So dug it out (almost killed me) and got it tanked, put a drain in and filled it back in. 


(https://live.staticflickr.com/8152/7576614086_9f8716e7d3.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7112/7529315272_5fc086993e.jpg)
  I ain't suprised it nearly killed you is that a garden spade? :lol  How much are those skylifts?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 06 December 2019, 12:10:54 pm

 
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I ain't suprised it nearly killed you is that a garden spade? ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/url])  How much are those skylifts?

(https://live.staticflickr.com/8288/7768005060_268c9cdc88.jpg)
Yeah it was murder.  The only way to do it was to dig it by hand.  The handiest tool turned out to be the micro shovel.  But yeah, I think I bought two tonnes of peas, chucked them in once the drain was in and the tanking on, then for some mad reason I raddled about 4 tonnes of earth.  Was glad once it was all done.  The garage is reasonably dry now.  It’s not 100% perfect as there is no damp core in the concrete base – but hey it’s pretty decent overall. 


(https://live.staticflickr.com/3936/15327566050_6e4c0b5a5e.jpg)
I wish it was still this tidy!

 It’s a good bit of kit, but like anything there are pros and cons.  I hate getting it on and back off the rig – it’s a bit of a balancing act – though dead easy if you have somebody to hold the bike.  You can’t service the Gen1 EXUP whilst it’s on the stand.  But other than it’s pretty good, and it’s great not to be on my knees.  I haven’t had the swing arm out yet on the stand, though maybe I’ll try that this winter – there’s a separate fitting kit that lifts the bike utilising the foot peg mounts to get the swing arm out (as the standard fitting kit lifts on the swing arm pivot. 
 



Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: Dynspud on 06 December 2019, 01:15:00 pm
Nice to see someone else with the best bike in the best colour scheme  :D
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 25 December 2019, 09:52:16 am
it would of been nice to log on here this morning with an update, but of course i aint done nothing   :o :o :o ......decorating of the spare bedroom is finished though,grandkids will now have somewhere to sleep tonight  :thumbup :thumbup ....got just over a week off for christmas so should be able to make some progress......to keep progress and this thread going heres a picture of me holding my nuts............







































Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: coffee on 26 December 2019, 10:00:17 pm
Hmmmm,bit of a stud are ya? :lol
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: bigsteve on 27 December 2019, 10:39:11 am
getting back om topic   :D


   modded and fitted R6  shock into boxeye  600 
 
   modded and fitted thou rear caliper to boxeye 600


   600 caliper worked just fancied a upgraded


  added XJR  torque arm   


   all done in my shed { no garage } lol
   


 
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 27 December 2019, 12:38:29 pm
nice work BIGSTEVE  :thumbup ....very mild and dry here in south bucks , you off for a test ride ?






up early myself this morning and out in the garage ,got the front end of the bike supported and removed front wheel and forks, got plenty of room now to get at the broken exhaust studs and bore out, just having a bite to eat and i`ll be back out there......update and piccies later...
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: bigsteve on 27 December 2019, 12:46:56 pm
no test ride yet waiting on new brake pads  :rolleyes  and better weather FAZER's on sorn till it warms up



Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 27 December 2019, 08:40:52 pm
bit more progress this afternoon .bored and tapped both broken studs and fitted new stainless studs with stainless domed nuts .all studs are about 6mm too long so will trim down in the morning......then refit the rad , fill with coolant and see if i can find the water leak......
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: coffee on 29 December 2019, 12:03:49 am
Good job Red,are you working in a lean to ?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 29 December 2019, 07:49:27 am
cheers Mr C . no not working in a lean to, the sheet you can see in the back ground is just blocking the light to take the picture, iam lucky to have my own garage just for bikes and cars  ,NO HOUSEHOLD RUBBISH ALOUD .   :thumbup




got a bit more done yesterday,trimmed all the studs and refitted the downpipes,this part of my winter maintence is now complete ,i do need to polish up the downpipes and see if i can clean some of that crap from the front  of the engine block , think i`ll add "fit fender extender" to my list  ;) ....


got a bit of time spare today so plan to refit the rad,fill with coolant and see if i can find the leak....i am expecting a "parcel of goodness" today though which could very easily distract me..... :rolleyes

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Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 29 December 2019, 10:13:54 am
Nice job Mr.Red. :thumbup  The domed nuts is certainly a good idea. Just taken mine off for a re- copperslip, and all came off sweet as a nut. I didn't cut the studs down, just used stainless nuts with domed nuts to cover the exposed section of thread. Has the same effect though.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: Oldgit on 29 December 2019, 12:11:30 pm

A Haircut.

Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 29 December 2019, 01:12:38 pm

A Haircut.










steady on OLDGIT, one job at a time,you done the door locks yet ?..................
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 29 December 2019, 01:24:01 pm
beautifull day here in south bucks even the sun came out  :) .....back in the garage this morning,took the downpipes off and refitted the rad,connected all pipes and filled the system,started the old girl up with no exhaust so i could clearly see where the leaks coming from and...........




THE OLD GIRL SOUNDS FANTASTIC WITH NO EXHAUST    :lol :lol :lol






as UNFAZED has already predicted its coming from the water/oil pump and draining out through a sleeved hole in the sump,ive drained the coolant and oil in readyness to whip the pump out and inspect the seals , stopping for lunch whilst everything drains...




pleased with my progress this morning but my "parcel of goodness" has arrived.......things might just slow up a bit now    ;) ......see btm piccie   :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: coffee on 29 December 2019, 11:15:12 pm
Are those twin choke webbers?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 30 December 2019, 09:25:27 am
morning MR C.......close , twin 40 dellorto`s, a bargain buy on ebay  ;) .....iam itching to get them fitted but got to finish the thou first.




got the clutch plates out last night but with no wheels on the bike and without the proper tool i cant undo the clutch basket nut,so iam going to clean up the backend, grease the suspension linkage and refit the rear wheel so i can put the bike in gear lock the rear wheel and undo the nut.....sounds like a plan to me.......
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: fazerscotty on 30 December 2019, 02:10:00 pm
Planned? General tidy up of the Thou, fitting a 4 deg advancer, oil & filter change, valve clearance check (75K miles!) and carb balance. No doubt come across other stuff to do.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 30 December 2019, 04:47:54 pm
more fazering today......cleaned up the swing arm and shock and refitted ,locked the back wheel and the clutch basket nut came off easy  :thumbup .....other things to attend to over the next few days and not sure when i`ll next be in the garage,really want to get to the problem before i go back to work on thursday and get the parts ordered........next job will be to drop the sump and get my first look at the pump.....
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: coffee on 31 December 2019, 07:19:12 pm
beautifull day here in south bucks even the sun came out  :) .....back in the garage this morning,took the downpipes off and refitted the rad,connected all pipes and filled the system,started the old girl up with no exhaust so i could clearly see where the leaks coming from and...........




THE OLD GIRL SOUNDS FANTASTIC WITH NO EXHAUST    :lol :lol :lol






as UNFAZED has already predicted its coming from the water/oil pump and draining out through a sleeved hole in the sump,ive drained the coolant and oil in readyness to whip the pump out and inspect the seals , stopping for lunch whilst everything drains...




pleased with my progress this morning but my "parcel of goodness" has arrived.......things might just slow up a bit now    ;) ......see btm piccie   :D :D :D :D












what have you got? LOTUS?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 01 January 2020, 07:29:05 pm
beautifull day here in south bucks even the sun came out  :) .....back in the garage this morning,took the downpipes off and refitted the rad,connected all pipes and filled the system,started the old girl up with no exhaust so i could clearly see where the leaks coming from and...........




THE OLD GIRL SOUNDS FANTASTIC WITH NO EXHAUST    :lol :lol :lol






as UNFAZED has already predicted its coming from the water/oil pump and draining out through a sleeved hole in the sump,ive drained the coolant and oil in readyness to whip the pump out and inspect the seals , stopping for lunch whilst everything drains...




pleased with my progress this morning but my "parcel of goodness" has arrived.......things might just slow up a bit now    ;) ......see btm piccie   :D :D :D :D












what have you got? LOTUS?












oh yesssss....a lotus elan would be nice  :lol .....sadly not,but i do have a 74 2002 bmw sharing the garage with the two fazers..........
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: agricola on 01 January 2020, 07:37:06 pm
Damn good clean for a start. Bikes never been so dirty. Blow dry, then on with the ACF50 and the spray gun. This time next year itll probably be the valve clearance check
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 04 January 2020, 01:03:27 pm
a quick update.......sump,oil strainer and large oil pipe are now off  :thumbup .......with a struggle though,laying on the cold,hard garage floor with my head wedged between bike and floor is not good  :\ ......front end is still off the bike, rear wheel is on the floor and ive winched the front of the bike up as high as i can get it without taking all of the weight off the centre stand,its workable but i think its going to be worse getting things back on......




seriously thinking about work bench,abba lift or eazyrizer now........eazyrizer is top of my list as it will lift any bike without the need for having various adapters.....already seen VNA`s excellent sky lift ....anyone got an eazyrizer ? 
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 05 January 2020, 12:33:46 pm
more struggling and swearing this morning but the pump is now off the bike  :thumbup ........next job is to split the two halves of the water pump and withdraw the shaft and inspect bearings and seals........glad its out but its been a struggle with the bike on the floor,all i can think off as a quick fix for making it easier to put back together is a series of large wooden blocks , i have a winch more than capable of lifting the whole bike which will give me room to slide the blocks under the wheels and centre stand.......not 100% sure  this is a good idea though    :rolleyes
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 05 January 2020, 06:12:21 pm
got the pump stripped down this afternoon , cant see any major fails and the bearings are excellent ,so just looks like general wear and tear , will order a full O ring set for the pump,sump and clutch cover gasket, and O rings for the large oil pipe as one fell apart as i removed the pipe.....
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 06 January 2020, 08:50:12 am
Nice job Mr.Red. What mileage is on your thou?. Just wondered if this fault is mileage related, or just bad luck. I can see how the Sky Lift would have made life a lot easier for you, that's for sure.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 06 January 2020, 09:38:27 am
Red, what coolant did you have in it. Strange colour on the internals of the pump.. Had you changed the coolant at some stage?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 06 January 2020, 07:06:58 pm
Nice job Mr.Red. What mileage is on your thou?. Just wondered if this fault is mileage related, or just bad luck. I can see how the Sky Lift would have made life a lot easier for you, that's for sure.












hi MR R.......bikes done about 54.000,no service history with the bike when i bought it,but think it may have had a hard life early on ,no signs of abuse on stripping down and am pretty sure its not been opened up before...think ive just been unlucky ,not seen it mentioned on here before either....


yep my nights sleep are full of abby dreams  :lol        think i`ll make some wooden blocks at work tomorrow   :thumbup
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 06 January 2020, 07:18:01 pm
Red, what coolant did you have in it. Strange colour on the internals of the pump.. Had you changed the coolant at some stage?










hi UNFAZED,ive had this brown tint in the coolant for a while now,searching my own posts i flushed the system through with HOLTS RAD FLUSH back in july 2017 , it cleared most of it and the header tank is still nice and clean which was the reason for the flush , was a bit surprised myself at the colour,pictures taken without any cleaning .......time to confess.....i use the same anti freeze in the bike as i do in the car    :eek ......BLUECOL UNIVERSAL ANTI FREEZE.................
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 07 January 2020, 01:30:00 am
I would not think the clear Bluecol U is really suitable for the Fazer or any car with an aluminum engine and radiator.

 Blucol red is probably the better of the two being  Ethylene Glycol based and suitable for high performance aluminium engines

The colouring issue may be due to the previous owner having the coolant changed and using the incorrect coolant type.

What is the inside of the large pipe going into the engine like?


Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 07 January 2020, 06:46:17 am
hi UNFAZED.......thought as much with anti freeze  :o .....will choose carefully for the refill :thumbup ....re the pipe, do you mean the one that exits through the front of the block between the cooler and oil filter ?........not checked that yet but will do this evening....
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 07 January 2020, 09:59:29 am
Red, no the long one with the drain bolt that goes directly into the pump. 2 seals on it
The one on the block suffers badly from corrosion being directly in the salt spray line.
Mine had a lot of corrosion around where the seal sits last time I had it off
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 07 January 2020, 07:28:41 pm
ah.....think i have the right one now,it looks very good but will get two new O rings   ;)
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 07 January 2020, 07:35:42 pm
made this today and will do another tomorrow, one for the centre stand and the other for the rear wheel (no front end on the bike at the moment). only 100mm , but every little helps...... :thumbup
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 07 January 2020, 10:21:18 pm
Red, yep that Looks pretty good what about the inside of it?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 07 January 2020, 10:55:04 pm
very clear and bright on the inside  :thumbup ......was going to order the parts needed tonight but ive just run out of steam  :o ...busy tomorrow so perhaps on Thursday,which will leave the weekend clear for a good clean and check,unless of course mrs red knows different  :rolleyes
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: bigsteve on 09 January 2020, 03:35:02 pm
I bit the bullet at weekend taxed 600 and took it on a 180 ride to skegg and back with a few friends for fish and chips to test the mods i have done
 { R6 shock and thou rear caliper }
  and i must admit i am over the moon suspension is spot on with the sag set for my weight  front and rear and the rear brake is such a improvement


   loads of smiles per mile  :D :D
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 09 January 2020, 09:24:13 pm
nice one Steve  :thumbup .......thou rear caliper is on my list aswell,when i can find one.......








made up another wooden block today and ordered most of the seals/gaskets,spent £40 but i still need O rings for the "water pump drain pipe" and the "large oil pipe" that i had to remove to get the pump out,cant find them without spending silly money so i might just buy an assorted O ring pack and hope the right size is in there,also need an oil filter which i`ll pick up at halfords on the way home tomorrow.....
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: bigsteve on 10 January 2020, 11:42:14 am

 
   thanks Red caliper well worth the investment and still have a serviceable 600 caliper as a spare  :lol
         next job replace radiator on ER5 then lower and add pretty bits to partners new to her ER6N before I can start getting thou ready for summer


   O and few jobs on friends bikes


   :rolleyes :D :lol


   


     

Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 11 January 2020, 11:42:52 am
got the mighty thou on the blocks this morning.made things a bit easier for the rebuild . parts should be with me for next weekend so thats as much as i can do this weekend .plenty of other projects to keep me busy this weekend though   ;)
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 13 January 2020, 07:02:08 pm
postie bought lots of goodies today  :) ....just waiting for the O rings now and i still need to get down to halfords to get the oil filter
 :o ..........should be ok to start the rebuild at the weekend  :thumbup ....
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 13 January 2020, 08:58:58 pm
Wheels out and tyres off this afternoon. Discs off tomorrow, hopefully with no dramas, bearings out, and off to the powder coaters.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: mtread on 13 January 2020, 10:50:06 pm
Morris fuel stabiliser in the tank. ACF50 over the delicate bits. Wire brushed and repainted the centre stand.


I'm working on the basis 'if it ain't broke, don't foc it up'  :D
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 14 January 2020, 05:42:58 pm
Discs off today. Warmed up the bolts, one whack with the impact driver, and happy days. All the bolts came out ok. Cost me 15 quid for a new impact driver as the old one flew apart on the first whack. Just got to decide who to order the bearings from. Marksman are top of the list at the moment.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 14 January 2020, 06:20:01 pm
jammy git........... :lol ........come on ROBBO spill the beans , what colour you going for ?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 14 January 2020, 07:44:46 pm
 :lol :lol ...nothing exotic I'm afraid. Just gloss black, which hopefully will look just a bit sharper than the more satin standard finish. Did you get the text I sent regarding coolant choice Mr.Red.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 14 January 2020, 08:01:39 pm
mmmmm standard black :z         :lol ,,,was thinking of getting my flaky wheels done in super fast silver to match the bike and brighten them up a bit, harder to keep clean though....


got a bit of a problem with my phone  :rolleyes  on ee pay as you go as iam a low user and they have withdrawn my number as i dont use it enough... :lol
been trying to sort it out for a few weeks now
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 15 January 2020, 10:59:41 am
A pm for you, Mr.Red.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 15 January 2020, 04:50:39 pm
Certainly paid for an easy day yesterday getting the discs off. Getting the roller bearing out of the rear wheel, what a bar steward. Too late to get to the powder coaters today, so that's a first thing in the morning job.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 15 January 2020, 07:10:56 pm
A pm for you, Mr.Red.




cheers ROBBO , thanks for the tip  :thumbup
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 15 January 2020, 08:46:21 pm
Any chance of sharing the tip?  :lol
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 16 January 2020, 05:29:41 pm
Not a tip exactly, more a suggestion as to coolant choice, as there was a question as to the suitability of the coolant that had been in his bike. As Mr.Red has to go to Halfords for an oil filter in the next day or 2, my suggestion was Comma X Stream G30 which I use in both my bikes, and I know is stocked at Halfords.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: agricola on 17 January 2020, 08:37:29 pm
Not raining yesterday morning, so the bike got the thorough wash its been due for some while. Dried it off, then set to this morning with some maintenance. Three years since I had the shock off, so thought Id do that and clean and re-grease the bottom link. Not too shabby at all really, came off without any difficulty, think Ill put it on a two yearly cycle. Cranked and offset ring spanners in action
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 17 January 2020, 08:41:54 pm
two more puzzle pieces arrived today  :thumbup     still not been too halfords for the anti freeze  :o
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: agricola on 17 January 2020, 08:43:53 pm
Haynes says to remove the rear wheel, and then remove the bottom bolt and bush first, but to be honest if you keep it lubed you can get the bottom bush out without wheel removal, and taking the top bolt out first removes nay tension on the bush too. Hope fully ill get some time to refit tomorrow, get the one tooth down front sprocket on, oil and filter change then blather the bike in ACF50
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: fazersharp on 18 January 2020, 01:05:12 pm
two more puzzle pieces arrived today  :thumbup     still not been too halfords for the anti freeze  :o
Ive got that o ring set and still did not have the correct size one  :wall
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 18 January 2020, 03:26:07 pm
two more puzzle pieces arrived today  :thumbup     still not been too halfords for the anti freeze  :o
Ive got that o ring set and still did not have the correct size one  :wall










LOL.........i choose this set because it had the biggest size choice ,could not be bothered to check the sizes i need  :rolleyes .....hope my lucks batter than yours MR SHARPIE...
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: fazersharp on 18 January 2020, 04:44:13 pm
two more puzzle pieces arrived today  :thumbup     still not been too halfords for the anti freeze  :o
Ive got that o ring set and still did not have the correct size one  :wall










LOL.........i choose this set because it had the biggest size choice ,could not be bothered to check the sizes i need  :rolleyes .....hope my lucks batter than yours MR SHARPIE...
Needed it to repair a shower head spray adjuster, it has two small o rings inside and in the kit there was not the right size including thickness so I got a smaller on and stretched it until it decided to stay bigger. Also needed for a dishwasher and again didn't have the correct size in the box.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: agricola on 19 January 2020, 09:52:32 am
New one tooth down sprocket on, shock refitted. Hopefully, with the sun out, Ill get it coated with ACF50 this afternoon. If it stays dry, hopefully get a run in perhaps Tuesday
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 25 January 2020, 09:48:07 am
not much progress for me . work and family matters getting in the way  :\ ..........having trouble getting the old mechanical seal,carrier and oil seal out , the carrier put up a hell of a struggle as it has some sort of sealant/glue/gunge on it, got it out but ive marked the outer lip of the housing slightly , not in the seal area and wont affect performance of the new seal just looks a bit messy ,will tidy it up with the die grinder before re-assemble, just got the oil seal to remove and then i can start putting it back together  :thumbup ....times running out for this thread so got to get a move on  ;)


not today though , got a wheel bearing to replace on the cage,done the other side a while back and had to grind out the inner race so expecting the same with this one,an hours job will take me 3  :\ ......but at least its not raining and icy cold   :thumbup
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: coffee on 25 January 2020, 11:15:14 pm
Haynes says to remove the rear wheel, and then remove the bottom bolt and bush first, but to be honest if you keep it lubed you can get the bottom bush out without wheel removal, and taking the top bolt out first removes nay tension on the bush too. Hope fully ill get some time to refit tomorrow, get the one tooth down front sprocket on, oil and filter change then blather the bike in ACF50








Well,I hope you have an easier job than I did when I did my front sprocket last year,it was so tight I couldn't believe it!! I ended up buying a heavy duty socket,a long bar with a scaffold tube on,a big wedge of wood through the back wheel and my missus holding the front brake on,I honestly thought it had somehow welded itself to the bearing or something,when it moved you'd have thought I'd won the lottery ! :lol
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: coffee on 25 January 2020, 11:23:28 pm
Just seen you did that job,was it fairly easy to get the front sprocket nut off?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: agricola on 26 January 2020, 03:14:35 pm
Just seen you did that job,was it fairly easy to get the front sprocket nut off?


No problem really. Stout piece of timber in the rear wheel, socket with breaker bar on the nut, went as expected. Slackened the rear axle, pushed the wheel forward, looped the chain off the rear sprocket, unscrewed the front sprocket nut,  waggled the sprocket off, slipped the new sprocket into the chain, then just reversed the operation. The angle of the chain over the swinger has altered slightly, but doesn't look like a major problem. Been for a spin in the morning sunshine, although the roads are still wet, nothing untoward. Just got to reset the gear indicator now as the smaller sprocket seems to have resulted in 5th and 6th both reading as 5th
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 26 January 2020, 06:07:24 pm
had an hour to spare this afternoon so had another go at the oil seal...finally got it out  :) ......comparing old to new seals and all`s good but i dont have the metal "cup" that holds the inner oil seal,going to check fowlers and see if its available,so,another hurdle to jump and more time waiting for parts,all worth it come spring time  ;) ;)
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 29 January 2020, 07:07:55 pm
foc....got my order today.great service from fowlers  :thumbup  ordered what i thought was a seal holder but its the bearing behind  :o .....my fault all the clues were there including the part number starting with BRG   :rolleyes ....just ordered another seal which i already have but hoping the gen yammy one will come with the seal carrier...fingers crossed
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 29 January 2020, 10:07:50 pm
What seal were you ordering?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 30 January 2020, 06:50:37 am
hi UNFAZED........its not listed or shown on the fowlers website and not really a seal,its a metal cup that holds the oil seal (no 3 on fowlers) that fits between the bearing and the mechanical seal,the seal i have dosn`t have this cup/holder but its not gen yam , i`am hoping the fowlers gen yam one will come with the cup/holder.......i`ll see if i can post some piccies later which will explain it better...
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: mtread on 30 January 2020, 10:16:00 am
Red - if you keep misordering parts at this rate, are you going to build another bike?  ;)
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 30 January 2020, 06:44:09 pm
shhhhhhhhhhhhh....dont tell the mrs   ;)
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 02 February 2020, 08:25:04 am
a rare day off yesterday and a good time to crack on with the mighty thou.....the "seal cup" i thought was missing wasn`t  :o ...what i was looking at was the "naked seal" that fits between the oil pump bearing and the mechanical seal for the water pump,wear and tear had stripped it of its rubber seal ,obvious when the new seal arrived from FOWLERS (great service again  :thumbup )  as for the seal that came with the mechanical seal that i thought was the seal for the oil pump bearing but needing the "seal cup" to fit  , this fits on the drive shaft directly behind the impeller ,a rubber seal thats a snug fit in a housing with a moulded in nylon  washer which rests on the spring loaded mechanical seal,i missed this one as not listed on FOWLERS but you live and learn , a TOURMAX item, a company i have used before and quality and fit were as good,if not better than original  :thumbup ......


assembled the two pump`s and now has a very smooth,dampened action when turned by hand,refitted to bike which was a bit of a fiddle,took many attempts to loop the drive chain around the sprocket and slot the pumps into place but done now,refitted large bore oil pipe with new o rings ( R10 ) oil strainer and then refitted the clutch , not much more to do now but there is a little niggle on my mind....the chain that runs of the back of the clutch basket down to the water/oil drive sprocket seams to be a bit loose, has a guide,tensioner on it and theres not enough slack in it to jump off the sprocket so should be ok....but its niggling me...ive searched you tube but theres not much on there for the fazer,R1 looks the same and ive watched a few from us which have been very good so will search them out again and take a second look before refitting sump and clutch covers ...


good reading for sunday morning  :lol ...i`ll post some piccies in a minute, might make things a bit clearer   ;) [size=78%]   [/size]
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 02 February 2020, 08:32:22 am
got a few more piccies if anyones interested in a particular item/area....
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 02 February 2020, 09:52:20 am
When you ordered the seal kit 11H-12438-10 was this what you got?
The oil seal you ordered No 3 3 is just a bare seal.
I agree with you about Tourmax they are as good as OEM.I would look for Tourmax if I cannot get OEM


(https://www.areyourshop.net/Photo/MotoPart/Water%20Pump%20Seal/M575-A002/M575-A002-(1).jpg)
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 02 February 2020, 12:11:34 pm
hi unfazed , glad you understood my early morning ramblings  :lol ...yes,as your picture shows,the one on the right (top picture) is what i`am calling the "mechanical seal" this sits in the water pump housing and is the last one to go in , the one on the left (top picture) is the one i confused with the one which covers the oil pump bearing which goes in before the "mechanical seal"...the seal on the left (top picture) is the one that slides on the shaft and into a housing behind the impeller...the kit on its own dos`nt include the oil seal to cover the oil pump bearing no3 on fowlers excellent website...
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 02 February 2020, 03:59:56 pm
Red, the few glasses of whiskey I had last night helped  :eek :lol

The seal with the nylon insert on the left of the picture is not shown on any service manual.
Same seal kit is used in many Yamahas, Kawasakis and a few Hondas
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: mtread on 02 February 2020, 04:15:20 pm
Don't know how you could have missed them. They're so bloody big!  :D
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 03 February 2020, 10:46:02 am
Mr.Red, top job. You've just got to look forward to a summers Fazerin now. :thumbup
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 04 February 2020, 06:53:15 am
Mr.Red, top job. You've just got to look forward to a summers Fazerin now. :thumbup








cheers ROBBO...next visit to the garage should see the fazer running,how you getting on with your wheels ?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 04 February 2020, 08:51:26 am
Tyres are on, waiting for some Loctite bearing fit, which should be here tomorrow. Then back to the tyre fitters for balancing. I'd never used Oponeo for tyres before, but got the Roadtec 01's for £205 with £14.50 for fitting. Quite happy with that. Dragon Rally this weekend so nothing much will get done until Monday I expect.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 09 February 2020, 04:15:09 pm
braved the storm and had a couple of hours in the garage ,sump on ,clutch cover on, changed the oil filter and filled with fresh oil.....still not bought the anti-freeze  :rolleyes  .......thought i would start it briefly just to check for leaks....and.....no spark   :o
FOC.......what have i forgotten   :'(


spins over ok but no spark at the plug.had enough of the rain hammering on the garage roof so came inside,toasty warm and a mug of tea......

Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 09 February 2020, 06:45:58 pm
Have you plugged in the coils  :lol
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 09 February 2020, 07:59:10 pm
Have you plugged in the coils  :lol








funny you shoud say that UNFAZED....before i turned the engine over for the first time i pulled a couple of leads off the coils so i could turn it over and circulate the new oil around the engine without it firing up.....my moneys on one of two things ,whilst the sump was off i gave the side stand switch a good degreasing with a small nylon brush and some gunk,dont think its been cleaned before and i might of upset something,or,i removed the tilt sensor when i removed the rear mudguard so i need to go back to that and make sure i refitted it correctly......
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 09 February 2020, 09:21:04 pm
Red,
Definitely not the side stand switch, the side stand earth is used to control the Starter cut out relay and the neutral switch bypasses the side stand switch when the bike is in neutral with the side stand down, anything wrong here and it would not turn over on the starter button. This leaves a stuck Tip over or disconnected Coil leads
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 09 February 2020, 09:46:14 pm
cheers UNFAZED...thats saved me a bit if time,whilst i had the rear mudguard of i taped the tip sensor to the frame so i could still run the engine,didnt take much movement to stop the engine running,bikes still jacked/winched at a funny angle so i could access the sump,could just need putting back on the floor to fire up.....
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 13 February 2020, 07:44:44 pm
had a few mins out in the garage tonight, looks like someone may have broken into my garage,no damage and i cant see how they got in,for some strange reason they un-bolted the tip sensor,turned it upside down and bolted it back on ......spotted it straight away,turned it over and the old girl fired up first press of the button......bl**dy kids      ;) 
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 13 February 2020, 09:10:56 pm
Was it a big Red child  :D
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 13 February 2020, 09:30:16 pm
possibly a big red faced child...
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: unfazed on 13 February 2020, 09:35:09 pm
 :rollin :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: fazersharp on 14 February 2020, 09:05:28 am
had a few mins out in the garage tonight, looks like someone may have broken into my garage,no damage and i cant see how they got in,for some strange reason they un-bolted the tip sensor,turned it upside down and bolted it back on ......spotted it straight away,turned it over and the old girl fired up first press of the button......bl**dy kids      ;) 
Its the garage fairies - I have them too, they hide nuts and washers when you have just put them down 2 mins ago. Sometimes I just stop and listen and I can hear them giggling-little pointy eared bastards. 
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 14 February 2020, 07:41:13 pm
Went to the Excel today. Here's a few pics for Mr.Red, taken on the Abba stand. A Sky Lift is the way forward.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 14 February 2020, 08:30:17 pm
mmmmmm   very nice.......thanks for the piccies ROBBO  :thumbup ...did they have a special show price ?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 15 February 2020, 06:21:58 am
Pretty sure it was £415 with one set of adaptors.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 15 February 2020, 09:11:32 am
Pretty sure it was £415 with one set of adaptors.










£467 from M&P......eazy rizer lifts any bike without the need for different fitting kits....direct from quasar for £340 + £25 p+p....ive not seen one in the flesh though.....
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 23 February 2020, 06:07:25 pm
not much time to myself recently but managed a few hours in the garage today....welded the downpipes rear bracket back on....trial fitted and its in the right place :thumbup ....couple more jobs to add to the list, clutch cable is right at the ends of its adjustment and needs replacing along with the choke cable which snapped a couple of years ago.......slow going but i am slowly getting there.....think i need to address my work / life balance,roll on the summer...
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 02 April 2020, 12:16:16 pm
mmmmm...think i missed the deadline  :o ....time on my hands now so lets see if i can get it back together .as it is now...
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 04 April 2020, 06:52:17 pm
getting there....just a couple of bits to go.started up and up to temp and no water leaks  :thumbup i do have a slight oil weep from the oil cooler though thats for another day...
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 05 April 2020, 10:20:19 am
Nice work Mr.Red :thumbup . Just gotta hope we can get out this year.
Is your mountain bike, hanging on the wall, a Trek?.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 05 April 2020, 01:14:01 pm
hi ROBBO ...yep,hopefully we can get out towards the end of the year, was looking forward to the pioneer run but got cancelled, its diffacult to plan ahead with things as they are but its on my list for next year...


well spotted on the mountain bike, yes, its a TREK 3900 , had it a few years now and very happy with it, be out tomorrow for a bit of exercise, not done anything for over a week now  :o
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 05 April 2020, 02:51:45 pm
When the lockdown finishes, we'll have to sort a good LOFO day out. Maybe my day trip to Cornwall if it's not too late in the year, as we'll start losing daylight past the end of August.
I've a Trek Excaliber. Maybe we could start a "Show us your mountain bike thread" :lol .
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: fazerscotty on 07 April 2020, 02:37:41 pm
Should this thread be renamed to - what your going to achieve in the lockdown? :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 06 July 2020, 12:34:08 pm
had to re-visit this waterpump/oil pump problem  :\ ...i have a small oil weep thats dripping onto the exhaust collector box,had to take the downpipes off to find the leak , its coming from the securing screw which holds the water pipe that hides behind the front sprocket cover,removing the screw and it dribbles out,wasnt expecting that so iam thinking of applying a bit of sealent to the screw and putting it back together...what do you lot think...good/bad idea ?


top left of the water pump hole,ive put the hex drive screw back in to stem the flow...
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: Gnasher on 06 July 2020, 02:05:35 pm
Shouldn't be weeping oil from there mate are you sure that's where it's coming from?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 06 July 2020, 02:31:10 pm
yes , bolts just hand tight if i remove it i get a constant dribble.with water pipe fitted and bolt tightened correctly its reduced to a weep,very strange...
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 06 July 2020, 05:38:09 pm
well....iam not having a good day  :\ ......released the rear wheel spindle, pushed the rear wheel forward and slipped the chain off both sprockets, rear wheel spins smoothly with no play in the bearings, front bearing sounds bl**dy awful, spins far too easily, has a bit of play and sounds bone dry...new bearing on FOWLERS is £105 :eek ...going to leave that for now as i think that`s an engine out job and split the cases hope iam wrong though...


right,where did i get too with the thou.......
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 06 July 2020, 05:42:57 pm
well....iam not having a good day  :\ ......released the rear wheel spindle, pushed the rear wheel forward and slipped the chain off both sprockets, rear wheel spins smoothly with no play in the bearings, front bearing sounds bl**dy awful, spins far too easily, has a bit of play and sounds bone dry...new bearing on FOWLERS is £105 :eek ...going to leave that for now as i think that`s an engine out job and split the cases hope iam wrong though...


right,where did i get too with the thou.......




















and thats how good my day has been..........finishing off by posting in the wrong thread  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


i am of course referring too my 600 steam powered boxeye    :o
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 06 July 2020, 05:55:02 pm
lets see if i can get back on track  :rolleyes ......had another look at the thou, the tapped hole thats leaking oil is bored all the way through the engine cases,if i put a small screwdriver in there it touches the casing of the waterpump,if its not meant to be like that and someones sheared a bolt off,bored it out and gone too deep and re tapped it they have done a very good neat job, just a shame they went all the way through...i have owned the bike for 8 years so its done well...but what do i do now ?.......iam going to try some sealant i think,got nothing to loose...unless of course you lot know different....


 
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 06 July 2020, 06:27:06 pm
Blimey Mr.Red, you're not having much luck, that's for sure. Could you seal the back of the hole with JB weld. Then cut down the bolt to make sure it doesn't go in too deep, if it's not under much stress.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 06 July 2020, 07:19:41 pm
hi ROBBO, yeh ive had better days  :rolleyes ...to block the hole from the rear i would have to take the sump off and then the water pump might still be in the way...could probably get in there and block the hole on the inside with something and push the jb weld in from the outside making sure i keep the threads clear but i believe you can drill and tap that stuff anyway,plenty of depth there...got me thinking now  ;)
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 08 July 2020, 05:15:26 pm
more tinkering with the thou...i smeared a bit of instant gasket on the screw and bolted everything back together , ran up to temp and no leak from the screw  :)    but.....there is just a smear of oil coming from the water pipe which connects to the water pump/oil pump,big hole in the picture, the water pump pipe has an O ring which i have replaced from a "o ring assortment set" bought on ebay. this seals the pipe to retain the coolant, there is also an O ring on the outer edge of the water pump which the water pipe plugs into, this one stops the oil getting out, i replaced this one as well from the assortment set when i rebuilt the water pump/oil pump at the start of this thread, so iam thinking the O ring is not up to the job...looking on FOWLERS excellent website they list both O rings one is £0.93 the other £4.37...a bit more than just an O ring,ive ordered one and will put them side by side and see if i can see the difference, size or material there must be something different...
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: Gnasher on 08 July 2020, 05:25:33 pm
Mate as with everything there's O rings and O rings, many of these assortment sets are cheap Chinese copies are fine for cold water applications, sinks tapes etc.  They often aren't the correct material or size, 10ths of a mm make all the difference in automotive, heat, oils and fluids make the cheaper crap shrink, go brittle expand or melt. 


 
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 08 July 2020, 06:12:19 pm
 a lesson learnt, will take a close look at the O ring when i remove it and see how it failed, save anyone else making the same school boy error...


not the end of the world though, new O ring should be with me tomorrow and will be an easier job the second time around  ;) ...thanks for you help buddy  :thumbup
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 13 July 2020, 01:16:34 pm
got the O ring on saturday, good service from FOWLERS  :thumbup ...i struggled a bit when i removed the oil/waterpump last time so i had a damn good clear up in the garage, chucked a lot of stuff out and made a bit more room to make the job a little easier...just need the motivation now to get out there and make a start.....lunchtime now though  :rolleyes
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: fazersharp on 13 July 2020, 06:34:12 pm
got the O ring on saturday, good service from FOWLERS  :thumbup ...i struggled a bit when i removed the oil/waterpump last time so i had a damn good clear up in the garage, chucked a lot of stuff out and made a bit more room to make the job a little easier...just need the motivation now to get out there and make a start.....lunchtime now though  :rolleyes
Why have you got a weather balloon in your garage, or is it actually a crashed and recovered UFO  :lol
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 13 July 2020, 07:06:42 pm
got the O ring on saturday, good service from FOWLERS  :thumbup ...i struggled a bit when i removed the oil/waterpump last time so i had a damn good clear up in the garage, chucked a lot of stuff out and made a bit more room to make the job a little easier...just need the motivation now to get out there and make a start.....lunchtime now though  :rolleyes
Why have you got a weather balloon in your garage, or is it actually a crashed and recovered UFO  :lol












when you have a bike in this country you need to keep an eye on the weather....i dont need to tell you, of all people , about that  :eek .... :lol








could just be a badly fitted car cover   ;)
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 14 July 2020, 09:32:08 am
up early this morning and made a start on the mighty thou, jacked it up and put it on wooden blocks, can and downpipes off followed by sprocket cover,sump and oil strainer...going well...got a bit distracted now though, both my son and i are on furlough so we are taking the mountain bikes to Windsor great park,get a few miles in and some lunch in windsor.....have a nice day foccers  :thumbup
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 14 July 2020, 10:02:35 am
Sounds like you’ve had a very productive morning Mr.Red, and deserve some chillax time. Enjoy lunch, and pedal safe :thumbup
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 15 July 2020, 01:06:56 pm
cheers ROBBO...a good day yesterday,probs 50 ish miles and a good lunch  :thumbup


had a lay in this morning, not up untill 9am not like me  :rolleyes .............




bit more done this morning,pump is now out, took a short cut this time, managed to get it out without removing the clutch, a HUGE time saver , just enough room in there to slide the water pump end out of the engine casing, easing that end down and looping off the drive chain the other end...
couple of pictures showing the failed O ring oil seal and also the water pipe mounting bolt hole clearly bored all the way through, engine casing is about 10mm thick in that area which i would of thought was deep enough without boring all the way through......





Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 15 July 2020, 02:12:17 pm
Excellent progress Mr.Red and very informative pics. :thumbup  Would it be possible to permanently seal the drilled through hole, now that the pump is out?.
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: Gnasher on 15 July 2020, 02:33:53 pm
It's highly likely the bolt hole isn't the source of the leak, rather the O ring is ;) 
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 15 July 2020, 03:01:29 pm
iam with GNASHER on this,comparing the O ring that i replaced last time (cheap china selection box) to the new genuine yamaha one iam going to fit now,there is definite difference,a lot more flexable.....lesson learnt on this  :thumbup




just about to refit the pump now, got to loop the chain back on the sprocket and get the pump housing back in the engine casing,if it works its a great time saver and aviods removing the clutch...




GNASHER...have you ever done it this way ?
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: Gnasher on 15 July 2020, 03:28:29 pm
Personally I haven't, no but I'd probably go the same way.  Last time I did a water pump on one the owner had tried and made a mess of getting the clutch off, so I had to sort the clutch and do it this way wouldn't have saved me any time.

Just make sure you get everything aligned, before you start doing it up.   
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 15 July 2020, 03:36:23 pm
ooooooh  yessssssss.......water/oil pump back in......a bit fiddly and more suited to small hands but way better than removing the clutch  :thumbup




GNASHER.....just two bolts holding the weter/oil pump assembly in place and one of the bolts has a dowel sleeve to help align everything,fits together really well...happy with that  :)
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: Gnasher on 15 July 2020, 03:42:41 pm
one of the bolts has a dowel sleeve to help align everything,fits together really well...happy with that  :)

That's what I was referring to when I said make sure it's all aligned before you do anything up  ;)

Glad you got it sorted, with the proper O ring in and providing you've assembled everything correctly, I think you'll find the leak will have gone mate. ;) :D
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 17 July 2020, 08:10:25 pm
sump gasket arrived today, good service again from WEMOTO  :thumbup , i`ll be out in the garage early tomorrow to get this job finished...
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 18 July 2020, 02:08:39 pm
Fork rebuild. New oil, new seals and probably paint/powder coat the lowers as they are pretty corroded.
Pattern rear disk. Existing one is quite worn for an 18k mile bike
Dual headlight mod. Easy job just havent got round to it yet.
New handlebars - probably Renthal but dont fancy drilling the slot for the switches (or grinding off the lug)

I am sure there will be more jobs by then though
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 19 July 2020, 07:01:20 pm
all back together now and i`ve just come back from a 70ish mile test run, a few stops to check fluid levels etc and all`s good  :thumbup , could do with a carb balance so that`s the next job ...
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: robbo on 19 July 2020, 09:10:35 pm
Well done Mr.Red, glad you're all sorted :thumbup
Title: Re: winter maintence ,what you got planned ?
Post by: red98 on 25 July 2020, 01:26:43 pm
cheers MR ROBBO, used the mighty thou for work yesterday up to 145 miles now since putting it back together. no loss of coolant or oil  :thumbup




bike looks as if its fixed its a shame i cant say the same about my riding, not really ridden since last year and i`am a bit rusty, hazzard spotting, road position and confidence have all gone out the window.....i need to get out more  ;)