as stated in my daily paper, there isnt a huge protest to re-instate a recently convicted rapist taxi driver to his former job after serving his sentence
I wonder if he had been an ordinary Joe and not a pro footballer would the case ever got to court, very much doubt.
Okay he is out on licence, why is he out on licence, is there some doubt here about if he is actually guilty.
He is being victimised by the do gooder or supposed to be do gooder public, threats are being made against Oldham football club employees if they sign him.
I am sure that poor innocent wee girl has been left totally traumatised by this whole life changing expeirence. She will no longer be using drugs , getting pissed and stopping strange men in the street and going to a hotel after agreeing to have sex with said stranger. I doubt it very much.
So that is it then she says she was raped as she was that pissed and had passed out and is believed. I am sure the Chad Evans would have said she was awake and consented. The so called video footage was that recovered?
I wonder if he had been an ordinary Joe and not a pro footballer would the case ever got to court, very much doubt.
Only slight levels of Cocaine and Marijuana found in her blood stream, falls down pissed in a cafe, agrees to go to a hotel for sex. Sounds like a real classy lady, but yes she is entitled to the protection of the law, but so is Evans, he did his time but yet is still being punished.
getting pissed and stopping strange men in the street
The complainant seems to have wandered into his path. They had a conversation and got into a taxi.
At best, you could say he took advantage of a very drunk lady.
Still not acceptable in my book.
One point that's been missed out of this discussion is that Evans pre-booked the hotel room and gave the key to his mate. This was all planned before hand. They were looking for any girl and not too bothered about her condition.
At some time shortly before 4am McDonald became separated from the group of friends. The complainant seems to have wandered into his path. They had a conversation and got into a taxi.
I wonder if he had been an ordinary Joe and not a pro footballer would the case ever got to court, very much doubt.
If you cannot see that Ched Evans is being victimised by joe public and the media take your blinkers off. If the lad is guilty of rape he has been punished for it, he certainly is becoming the victim now.
As to your last comment about juries, thank f*** you're not in charge :-)
The prosecution case was that the applicant had booked the room at the Premier Inn with the main or sole purpose of procuring a girl or girls later that night.and of course as we now know, the prosecution was correct
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Being tried by jury is old hat and should be done away with. For me it should be those that know the law sitting on a bench. They listen to the evidence and decide guilty or not guilty end off.
I did jury service a few years back, we where in the back room talking it over, it was 11/1 guilty, then the bloke says bollocks I gotta meet my missus in burger king in an hour 12/0 guilty lol 9 years he got.
Of course she shouldn't have got herself into that situation, of course she was taking risks. But she didn't say 'rape me'. She's not to blame and cannot share the responsibility. That's all this is about (in law).
If you run across a motorway or any busy main road and get hit is it the drivers fault for hitting you or your fault for running acorss the road putting yourself at risk?I think you will find that if the driver is intent on driving straight at you and deliberately running you over, it's definitely his fault ..................
Well said vna. (although I do confess, I got a bit lost in your last paragraph?)
On the other hand the woman has to share some responsibility for allowing herself to get into this situation, I was raised to believe that girls who would happily allow you to screw them within an hour or so of meeting them aren't exactly full of morals! That’s doesn't mean she's not entitled to the protection of the law, that’s said we must all take responsibility for our own actions. I don’t think she deserved it, no one does but she defiantly put herself at risk of such behaviour so in my book she's not helped herself and should share some of the responsibility.
I certainly am not comparing myself to Ched Evans but he made an error of judgement has done his stretch and deserves a break.
Yup I know, girls that get drunk and sleep about are slags. Guys that do it are studs, ladies men, womanisers, but the women are dirty fucking whores. How does that work.
Couldn't agree more - no blame should be apportioned to the girl- regardless of guilty or innocent she was taken advantage of at least and raped at worst. Getting hammered isn't a crime punishable by predators.
As I said in my last comment there are aspects which leave doubt in my mind, the lack of alcohol in her system despite the amnesia is odd. For her to have been unconscious as a result of alcohol at 4 am to the point of being entirely alcohol free by 12 suggests she either has a very low tolerance for alcohol or was only as drunk as she said - tipsy. If she had 6 pints at midnight there would be alcohol in her system until 5 pm. The most she can have had was 4 pints for her to be clear by twelve. I have never met anyone who was unconscious after 4 pints. This issue was disregarded in the trial and evidence from a specialist wasn't considered at the appeal. The whole thing revolves around how drunk she was. Disinhibited and 'enthusiastic' as claimed by the defense or unconscious as claimed by the prosecution. Regardless of my doubts he has had his day in court and whilst the legal battle continues he isn't going to be cleared any day soon.
As a sex offender he should expect prejudice - not always fair but then that goes with the territory - he put himself where he is. There is no easy solution for him but why should we care? ?
Consider a different case - Jeremy forrest the teacher who took his 15 year old pupil to France will be nearing release date - probably March this year. Does anyone think it should be easy for him to get a job?
Like GHB, which is a totally fucked up substance, coke is also made from substances which really shouldn't be ingested.
The only thing it didn't remove was his life. He's not touched a drop now for over 30 years.
I assume that both Gnasher and griff86 are teat total and have never ever been pissed.QuoteLike GHB, which is a totally fucked up substance, coke is also made from substances which really shouldn't be ingested.
darrsi, alcohol is a poison, it's a hard drug that just so happens to be legal.
It also happens to be the most commonly abused drug in our society.
As a friend (former addict) once said to me, alcohol is really handy for removing stains, it's handy also for removing your memory, it can also remove your friends, your wife and children, your house and employment - it can and will remove everything.
The only thing it didn't remove was his life. He's not touched a drop now for over 30 years.
Yeah, i agree with that, although as you well know it can also be used with caution and restraint too, not everyone enjoys getting bladdered, it can be consumed on a sociable level as well.
Alcohol certainly does have a lot to answer for, although on the flip side you have certain countries and religions who don't touch a drop as it is banned but will quite happily go and empty an AK47 on people, which funnily enough when i've been on the sauce i've never felt the urge to do.
I assume that both Gnasher and griff86 are teat total and have never ever been pissed.
Thing is if the roles were reversed you/I got pissed and this women had had her way with you/me we couldn't claim rape as it's not possible in law for a women to rape a man I'm told. Now how can that be fair in this day and age I ask?Because rape is a specific offense. It has to be penetration by a male (on a woman or a man). Other activities would be prosecuted as a sexual assault, including those committed by a woman.
Thing is if the roles were reversed you/I got pissed and this women had had her way with you/me we couldn't claim rape as it's not possible in law for a women to rape a man I'm told. Now how can that be fair in this day and age I ask?
QuoteThing is if the roles were reversed you/I got pissed and this women had had her way with you/me we couldn't claim rape as it's not possible in law for a women to rape a man I'm told. Now how can that be fair in this day and age I ask?Because rape is a specific offense. It has to be penetration by a male (on a woman or a man). Other activities would be prosecuted as a sexual assault, including those committed by a woman.
You see, there can be no doubt that penetration by a man can only be a deliberate act. We're made that way .......
Do I sense a shift in opinion here.
Trial by jury I am refering too
I have been on the receiving end of British justice system.
Nearly 40 years ago I was out for a Sunday stroll along the sea front with my then wife were we where living at the time. Our 4 year old son wanted to go to the toilet. Bad parenting on my part I let him go into the loo on his own. I thought I heard him cry out so I went in and caught this cunt trying to get him into a cubical. Long story short, I completely lost it and if it had not been for passers by I probably would have killed him. Only thing stopped me getting time was he was a known sex offender.
I was still done for GBH and was given a suspended 3 month sentence and bound over to keep the peace for 12 months.
About 8 months later I was standing at a bus stop and there was girl at the stop obviously pregnant. Two gobshites started giving her a hard time. I told them to behave and leave the lass alone. One of them fancied himself as a hard case and decided to take it to the next level. I should have walked away but being in my 20's at the time fuck it. Police got involved we all got done for disorderly behaviour. The girl gave her account of what happened and said I was looking out for her.
I was advised that I was going to be prosecuted. As I had previous I was advised by a solicitor to go via the courts and not a magistrates court. Court were advised that I had previous for GBH and was bound over to keep the peace for 12 months. At no time was my solicitor allowed to say why I was bound over or did the court advise the reasons for the order. I was found guilty of affray, fined £45.00 £200 costs and sent down for 3 months as this was my 3 months suspended sentence. Risely and Walton jails are not very nice places to spend any time in. I was out after a month. I had lost my job, could not get work, nearly lost my home. I decided to go back to sea as it was the only place I could get work and I had a family to keep and mortgage to pay. To say this put a strain on my marriage, well we split after 18 months.
Two silly decisions nearly ruined my life. I should have been a good parent and went into the loo with my son. In those days though there did not appear to be the wierdos around then as are now. How many on here though would have walked away from the bus stop and left the lass with the two gobshites.
I do not really have a lot of faith in the British justice system. I had never been in trouble with the police before or since apart from an SP30 3 years ago.
I certainly am not comparing myself to Ched Evans but he made an error of judgement has done his stretch and deserves a break.
Darrsi - in your dreams ...... ;)
I'm no expert, but technically I think it would be a sexual assault.
What if a woman gets you "ready for action" whilst you're sleeping, then takes advantage?
That's certainly possible!
QuoteWhat if a woman gets you "ready for action" whilst you're sleeping, then takes advantage?
That's certainly possible!
Is that one of your wet dreams?