Its all sorted out, VNA thinks she is just a victim of the British EmpireThat's not what I said.
Come on VNA , put your money where your mouth is.So, instead of trying to tell everybody what you think my opinion is Slappy, why don’t you, in your infinite wisdom and with your worldly wise knowledge tell us what you think the solution to the problem is.
I genuinely hope she will get murdered in that camp by an isisSo you wish to see a 19 year old, 9 month pregnant woman murdered. Presumably you’d be quite happy to slit the girls throat yourself, and in doing so also kill the 100% innocent child that she carries.
There is little doubt that the Kurds’ fledgling administration lacks the resources and capacity to put on trial, or detain indefinitely, so many people. It’s vital too that they are in a position to carry out detentions under humane and sustainable conditions over an extensive period of time, something that cannot be done without the advice and support from foreign states and other international bodies.https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17438652.david-pratt-looking-at-the-implications-of-returning-from-is/ (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17438652.david-pratt-looking-at-the-implications-of-returning-from-is/)
In Syria’s Kurdish enclave the leftist ideology embraced there means a rejection of the death penalty and focuses on rehabilitation rather than punishment for those foreign fighters captured. This is different from Iraq where the Western-backed government often carries out the death penalty, earning the condemnation of Western human-rights groups.
“Everyone is running away from the responsibility,”Abdulkarim Omar, a leader of the Kurdish-led foreign-relations commission
I genuinely hope she will get murdered in that camp by an isis fanatic now that she has finished her "jolly"Charming. Intersting to note that she is right now protected by the forces she fought against.
How do we even begin to fight hatred being bred by family like that?By slitting their throats?
finally we agree on summat! ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/wink.gif[/url])
QuoteIts all sorted out, VNA thinks she is just a victim of the British EmpireThat's not what I said.
In fact as I have said I am in total agreement, in respect of Shamima Begum, with extreme right wing, and general foc-u BREXITEERS hero, Tory Jacob Rees Mogg. :eekQuoteCome on VNA , put your money where your mouth is.So, instead of trying to tell everybody what you think my opinion is Slappy, why don’t you, in your infinite wisdom and with your worldly wise knowledge tell us what you think the solution to the problem is.
How about it?
May is just hoping that this 'fuss' steals the headlines for another 6 weeks...... and you're all falling for it :rolleyesDon't forget rape or serious assault and dangerous isn't just eating an apple at the traffic lights. IMO anyone convicted should be sent home BEFORE they spend time in HMP. Dont try and link in windrush as I don't think any of them fit into that category.
What doesn't seem to have bothered people quite so much is the recent forced deportation of more of the Windrush generation (some who have lived here since the age of 4) because they've committed 'serious' offences such as dangerous driving.
But of course you can choose your own outrage....
recent forced deportation of more of the Windrush generation (some who have lived here since the age of 4) because they've committed 'serious' offences such as dangerous driving.
nicely done fazersharp. trying to bring in another "right wing outrage" didn't work out too well for the left wing faction of FOC-Uthere I guess... :lol :lolYes trying to trigger a response that the left (mtread) and the marxist's (VNA) can snow on.
What doesn't seem to have bothered people quite so much is the recent forced deportation of more of the Windrush generation (some who have lived here since the age of 4) because they've committed 'serious' offences such as dangerous driving.
Officials provided a breakdown of crimes committed by the offenders on Wednesday that said one person on the flight had been convicted of murder and four of various sexual offences including rape. Fourteen people on the flight – almost half of those being deported – had been convicted of drugs offences. Six had been convicted of violent crimes including grievous bodily harm and battery, and three of firearms and weapon offences. One person’s conviction was for dangerous driving.
Its now completely clear that most of your posts in these political threads are just aimed winding people up. It looks like you are just like the Daily Mail.
Its simple , a total worldwide ban on any kind of religious or political ideology, they are both just tools used by power seeking arseholes to control people. Maybe then people like you will shut the foc up lecturing other people and insulting thrm by calling racist, xenophobic and fascist just becausevtheybhold a different view to you.Aye, sure, dead simple. I can see you put a lot of thought into that Slappy. :lol
All that is immaterial. The Windrush generation are British. If any of them (the Windrush generation), like any of us here in the UK, have committed serious crimes then sure, they should be tried and if guilty do the time.Absolutely. If you've been living in the UK since the age of 4, and have no memory of the country you are being deported to it's OK is it? And the one convicted of dangerous driving is OK is it? Just pointing out that doing 60 in a 30 is dangerous driving.
almost half of those being deported – had been convicted of drugs offences.Ever smoked a joint Fazersharp? Well if you have.......
Why are you bringing in windrush, this has nothing to do with it.And you do not go to jail for having a puff on a spliff, but you would for selling crack cocaine to schoolchildren.If I lived in a country where I could be deported for committing a serious crime then I wouldn't even risk letting go of the steering wheel to pick my nose.What part of the policy do you not like, is it based on how long they have lived here, or is it the colour of their skin perhaps, because white foreign nationals get deported all the the time after serving their sentence but I dont see you snowing on that.Quotealmost half of those being deported – had been convicted of drugs offences.Ever smoked a joint Fazersharp? Well if you have.......
I was, you know, pressurised, well peer pressure and all that, into taking a few tooks on a dubbie, but of course I didn't inhale :D
Why are you bringing in windrush, this has nothing to do with it.I brought up Windrush because it shows the hypocrisy of the right. You are happy to deport people who are raised but not born in the UK because they have committed a crime, but at the same time want to refuse re-entry into the UK someone who was born here and has not been convicted of any crime here. Typical right wing double standards :)
Yes we want to remove violent rapists and drug dealers and those guilty of grievous bodily harm and battery, and firearms offences who are not born in this country and who are not British citizens. And yes we also want to stop terrorist's from entering the country. I see no hypocrisy - only a government trying to fulfil its number 1 priority, which is to protect its people.QuoteWhy are you bringing in windrush, this has nothing to do with it.I brought up Windrush because it shows the hypocrisy of the right. You are happy to deport people who are raised but not born in the UK because they have committed a crime, but at the same time want to refuse re-entry into the UK someone who was born here and has not been convicted of any crime here. Typical right wing double standards :)
Quoterecent forced deportation of more of the Windrush generation (some who have lived here since the age of 4) because they've committed 'serious' offences such as dangerous driving.
I googled it -Here you go.
Officials provided a breakdown of crimes committed by the offenders on Wednesday that said one person on the flight had been convicted of murder and four of various sexual offences including rape. Fourteen people on the flight – almost half of those being deported – had been convicted of drugs offences. Six had been convicted of violent crimes including grievous bodily harm and battery, and three of firearms and weapon offences. One person’s conviction was for dangerous driving.
Its now completely clear that most of your posts in these political threads are just aimed winding people up. It looks like you are just like the Daily Mail.
Yes we want to remove violent rapists and drug dealers and those guilty of grievous bodily harm and battery, and firearms offences who are not born in this country and who are not British citizens. And yes we also want to stop terrorist's from entering the country. I see no hypocrisy - only a government trying to fulfil its number 1 priority, which is to protect its people.Didn't think you would see the hypocrisy ;) So it doesn't matter where people are born then? Just dump them in another country.
I can’t help but notice the term anti-Christian in the title post.
I am myself an atheist. But I wonder if the teachings of Christ would be to let her (Shamima) rot in hell, as I get the impression Decoke Dave wishes, or would Jesus just slit their throats and kill any children as Ogri genuinely hopes.
Hmmm, I wonder.
Excuse me! Who the hell said that!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone has a right to believe what the want! You are not an anti-Christian! You simply do not believe in Christianity! There is a UNIVERSE of difference! :eek
And Dazza, you're getting very boring with your rediculous Nazi stuff....
QuoteYes we want to remove violent rapists and drug dealers and those guilty of grievous bodily harm and battery, and firearms offences who are not born in this country and who are not British citizens. And yes we also want to stop terrorist's from entering the country. I see no hypocrisy - only a government trying to fulfil its number 1 priority, which is to protect its people.Didn't think you would see the hypocrisy ;) So it doesn't matter where people are born then? Just dump them in another country.
And Dazza, you're getting very boring with your rediculous Nazi stuff....
But she's 'Our problem'. British citizen, born here. Should brought back and if appropriate prosecuted here. Either that or the deportees are our problem and not deported. Amazed you can't see the double standards.
Technically she's still the enemy abroad, so in theory we could deal with "our problem" over there and save the taxpayers a few quid in the process.echnically she's still the enemy abroad, so in theory we could deal with "our problem" over there and save the taxpayers a few quid in the process.Yeah brilliant idea. Just create more home made vengeful terrorists as a result. Hope I'm not on the tube train at the time. :rolleyes
QuoteTechnically she's still the enemy abroad, so in theory we could deal with "our problem" over there and save the taxpayers a few quid in the process.echnically she's still the enemy abroad, so in theory we could deal with "our problem" over there and save the taxpayers a few quid in the process.Yeah brilliant idea. Just create more home made vengeful terrorists as a result. Hope I'm not on the tube train at the time. :rolleyes
.and she's a terrorist.I don't think that's technically true....
Well finally, a sensible decision by a government body for a change.
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship 'revoked'
I am fully convinced this "Great" Britain of ours is full of nothing but ultra P.C. cut-outs! And the usual hide behind the keyboard pathetic warriors! As a previous resident of a little known town just north of the border called Lockerbie, before, during and after the air disaster I can assure anyone who has not witnessed such an act, or similar, has absolutely no idea of the ramifications of such a heinous terrorist act!!!!!!!
QuoteI am fully convinced this "Great" Britain of ours is full of nothing but ultra P.C. cut-outs! And the usual hide behind the keyboard pathetic warriors! As a previous resident of a little known town just north of the border called Lockerbie, before, during and after the air disaster I can assure anyone who has not witnessed such an act, or similar, has absolutely no idea of the ramifications of such a heinous terrorist act!!!!!!!
Decoke, you have heard of Iran Air Flight 655 I take it. Shot down by the USS Vincennes. 290 passengers died. Three months and 20 days after they shot down that commercial airliner the crew of the Vincennes returned home to a hero’s welcome.
Flight 655 was brought down on 3rd July 1988. Pan Am Flight 103 fell out of the sky on 21st December 1988, not that I need to remind you of that date.
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship 'revoked'What a dangerous precedent :eek
“We do not make people stateless.”If, as it is being reported, that Shamima is unbale to claim citizenship of any other country, then the UK cannot deprive her of her citizenship.
What a dangerous precedent
during ww2 we interred every german living here, to guarantee as much as possible the safety of the indigenous populationYou're missing the point. We didn't deport British Nazi sympathisers.
I'll sit this one out. Caused enough trouble with my Brexit thread.
Your liberal left policies and thinking gain ground every year, especially with the middle class young at the universities.
I think VNA was asking a question not making a suggestion.QuoteHow do we even begin to fight hatred being bred by family like that?By slitting their throats?
QuoteWell finally, a sensible decision by a government body for a change.
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship 'revoked'
I think the truth is that this is what they are trying to do. I cannot see it standing up in court. I further suspect this is political populism. A stunt. The government is trying to do something it can’t do, and frankly should not be doing, just to play to popular opinion – and you guys are lapping up it, just like you lapped up BREXIT.
Meanwhile the reality is that if the international community reneges on it’s obligations, as quite a number of you here seem to wish, it means that there is a strong possibility the Kurdish forces whom are holding these people will do what they can to can to unofficially return them to their respective countries etc etc They do not have the resources for trials or to jail them, I don’t think even the finances to deport them (which they would happily do), so I suspect they will move them on one way or another. These people are not the responsibility of the Kurds.
Our government appears to be happy to let ISIS go free.
I guess one thing to remember is that Shamina was being questioned and making the statements she did whilst still under the watchful eye of the Jihads.
I think if she had said that she now realises her mistakes and that the jihads are wrong and that she now condemns them for their actions and is now remorseful for her own actions, I think she would not have seen the night out in one piece, she was answering the questions in a manner that gave her and her children born or unborn the greatest chance of survival.
Seems to me she is doomed whatever she said, I know that she made her choices and that no one forced her initially to make those choices, but she was only a 15 year old kid.
And no I don't really know what to think, all I do know is that there are innocent children in the equation, possibly the age of some of our Grandchildren.
:lolQuoteWell finally, a sensible decision by a government body for a change.
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship 'revoked'
I think the truth is that this is what they are trying to do. I cannot see it standing up in court. I further suspect this is political populism. A stunt. The government is trying to do something it can’t do, and frankly should not be doing, just to play to popular opinion – and you guys are lapping up it, just like you lapped up BREXIT.
Meanwhile the reality is that if the international community reneges on it’s obligations, as quite a number of you here seem to wish, it means that there is a strong possibility the Kurdish forces whom are holding these people will do what they can to can to unofficially return them to their respective countries etc etc They do not have the resources for trials or to jail them, I don’t think even the finances to deport them (which they would happily do), so I suspect they will move them on one way or another. These people are not the responsibility of the Kurds.
Our government appears to be happy to let ISIS go free.
"...just to play to popular opinion..."
Bit like winning, or acting on a majority vote you mean? :lol
Just pointing out summat mate..as a mature student at Uni im surrounded by ardent left wing tutors and students every day. Im at the very least definately qualified to make that observation, even if it only has partial relevance to the thread, which it does.QuoteYour liberal left policies and thinking gain ground every year, especially with the middle class young at the universities.
What the fuck are you on about Ogri?
As I have repeatedly stated this will be about due process and the rule of law. Though sadly will now take some time, with much money wasted.
It is as simple as that.
As for my opinion. Sajid Javid is just partaking in shameful populist posturing.
Quoteduring ww2 we interred every german living here, to guarantee as much as possible the safety of the indigenous populationYou're missing the point. We didn't deport British Nazi sympathisers.
Good idea - what about an island somewhere -------Skytanamobay. Instead of orange boiler suites we can make them wear kilts, feed them haggis - halal of course (which it probably already is) and have them woken up at the crack o doon by bagpipes.Problem solved as there is no jihadi that would want to come back and face that.
Ive already said that several hundred fighters have been allowed to return here, but we only remove the citizenship from one stupid young woman. Id would have taken it of all of em and stopped them from returning to their lives on benefits here. As theyre already here, them perhaps a camp set up in the Scottish highlands where they can all be kept isolated. Hopefully, many would die of the cold and damp. :)
Good idea - what about an island somewhere -------Skytanamobay. Instead of orange boiler suites we can make them wear kilts, feed them haggis - halal of course (which it probably already is) and have them woken up at the crack o doon by bagpipes.Problem solved as there is no jihadi that would want to come back and face that.
Now you see I wasn't trying to offend their beliefs as it was even going to be halal haggis but we could house them in any of the whisky factory's that will be closing down after brexit and the 3,000% tariffs ;)
Good idea - what about an island somewhere -------Skytanamobay. Instead of orange boiler suites we can make them wear kilts, feed them haggis - halal of course (which it probably already is) and have them woken up at the crack o doon by bagpipes.Problem solved as there is no jihadi that would want to come back and face that.
don't forget the bacon sandwiches
Syria returners illustrative examplehttps://www.gov.uk/government/publications/counter-terrorism-strategy-contest-2018 (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/counter-terrorism-strategy-contest-2018)
In 2015, a British woman travels to join Daesh. In 2017 the individual flees Daesh-held territory with a new born baby and they make their way to Turkey. On arrival in Turkey the mother and the child are detained for entering the country illegally.
Following the mother’s detention the British authorities are notified. DNA testing of the child is conducted to establish their entitlement to a British passport. Given that the mother has lived in Daesh-held territory, the Home Secretary and a judge approve the use of a Temporary Exclusion Order (TEO) to manage her return to the UK. The TEO allows us to specify the route of return to the UK and to impose obligations upon the individual once they return to help protect members of the public from a risk of terrorism.
The mother and her child are subsequently deported to the UK from Turkey via the route specified by the TEO. On arrival in the UK the police launch an investigation into the woman’s activities in Syria to determine whether any crimes have been committed. If there is evidence that a crime has been committed then the mother will be charged and the Crown Prosecution Service will conduct criminal proceedings. If there is no evidence of criminality, the mother is assisted in reintegrating into society, for example, by requiring her to attend a series of sessions with a specially trained de-radicalisation mentor. In the meantime the mother is also obliged – as part of her TEO – to report regularly to a police station and to notify the Home Office of any change of address. The local authority is involved to ensure that the child is not at immediate risk and appropriate measures are put in place to help safeguard the child’s welfare.
during ww2 we interred every german living here, to guarantee as much as possible the safety of the indigenous population. During the Iraq war kebab shops in Peterborough were freely advertising for freedom fighters to kill the british infidel. Your liberal left policies and thinking gain ground every year, especially with the middle class young at the universities. Your winning, and have been ever since the left took over the teaching profession. You will get there. This will be a country of apologists and people who despise its history and heritage. Everybody will eventually think like you, that this country belongs to whoever wants to come here, not those whose ancestors fought to protect it for us who believe differently. This country that I know and love will be gone forever. I know that..its inevitable. I just hope its not until im long gone
Good idea - what about an island somewhere -------Skytanamobay. Instead of orange boiler suites we can make them wear kilts, feed them haggis - halal of course (which it probably already is) and have them woken up at the crack o doon by bagpipes.Problem solved as there is no jihadi that would want to come back and face that.
don't forget the bacon sandwiches
Just pointing out summat mate..as a mature student at Uni im surrounded by ardent left wing tutors and students every day.Good to hear! :) :) :)
Justice has been served! Quite chuffed with Britain at the moment! :) [Decoke how can justice be served without a trial. Is Sajid Javid now judge and Jury?
Your winning, and have been ever since the left took over the teaching profession. You will get there.Winning what Ogri? Is a belief in real justice, as opposed to summary justice or the rule of the mob somehow wrong? There has been a political movement that has taken over teaching – really?
Everybody will eventually think like you, that this country belongs to whoever wants to come here, not those whose ancestors fought to protect it for us who believe differently.It’s interesting isn’t it. Shamima Begum who left the UK as a brainwashed 15 year old girl can have her citizenship revoked. But say you Ogri left the UK and did something bad – I make some presumptions here – but because like me you are white and your parents and grandparents were born here Sajid Javid couldn’t take your citizenship away. It is your birth right.
darrsi like it 'boom boom'
It's all academic now, she'll be let back in fairly soon.
I expect we'll see her on Good Morning Britain talking to Peers Morgan six months down the line.
It's all academic now, she'll be let back in fairly soon.
I expect we'll see her on Good Morning Britain talking to Peers Morgan six months down the line.
I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here :lol
Under the Bangladeshi "blood line" law, Bangladeshi nationality and citizenship lapse when a person reaches the age of 21, unless they make active efforts to retain it.
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She will be a million pound tax burden on the good old tax payersNah I know how it can be sorted for £130k and a cup of coffee ;)
Making a person stateless is against international law.
If you're that outraged about her treatment, offer to put her up in your house.I expect the law of the land to be upheld. And I do believe it will.
Nothing to do with mob rule VNA think it's more to do with protecting our kids and grand kids. But I think you are right she is a British citizen and as such has the right to return here and can't be made stateless. The laws the law and if we choose who we apply it too we will all be losers, and no I don't want her back but if she has the right to return then like it or not she must be allowed to and put before the courts.Absolutely agree with you Steve.
Though in terms of protecting our youth it puzzles me that nobody is concerned about Saudi and our other ME allies. Saudi sells us shit loads of oil, we also happen to sell them a shit load of arms which they have recently used extensively and indiscriminately in Yemen. But most worrying of all if you follow the cash it was Saudi along with certain other ME allies that funded ISIS.Many would agree with you and so does Tommy Robbo. Be careful not to choke on your socialist champagne. :pokefun
The other issue is this so called ‘radicalisation’ that is occurring in some of our Muslim communities. We have sat back and allowed the Saudi’s to spread their sick disgusting Wahhabist murderous ideology around the globe. They have spent a small, sorry a large fortune right across Europe building mosques and installing their own Saudi Wahhabist Iman’s in them.
So really, I don’t give a shit about Shamina Begum, she’s just a stupid young woman taken in by Saudi funded ideology that we have happily financed and encouraged.
I don't understand why people arn't angry about that.
I agree with you and so does Tommy RobboTommy who?
.......... A bit harsh I think!.........HELL NO. FUCK IT! :D I COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!! And so do dozens of people where I work! P.S. Five own Fazer owners working here ;) !
Making a person stateless is against international law.
So is joining a terrorist organisation, blowing innocent women and children up in Manchester, beheading unbelievers, throwing homosexuals off of buildings and grooming and raping 1300 underage children in Rotherham.
If you're that outraged about her treatment, offer to put her up in your house.
You can let her invite all her delightful clan into your home and spend the evenings spouting your left wing, traitorous spiel all night long. :D
Nothing to do with mob rule VNA think it's more to do with protecting our kids and grand kids. But I think you are right she is a British citizen and as such has the right to return here and can't be made stateless. The laws the law and if we choose who we apply it too we will all be losers, and no I don't want her back but if she has the right to return then like it or not she must be allowed to and put before the courts.that is the sad truth of it fellers. VNAs right, its the law, not his personal opinion. We need the law changing, without a doubt, but until it does (and realistically it wont) the law is the law, no matter how much it sticks in yours(and mines) craw.
We need the law changingThe is correct. And it's international law.
it's more to do with protecting our kids and grand kidsForget Shamina Begum, she's a nobody. Get a grip! She'll come back to the UK, she will be detained, questioned and if she has committed crimes she will be put on trial.
The threat comes from the Saudi state that we suck up to.
fascist, white supremacist, racist, xenophobic, little focing cnut (fazersharp changed the wording here )
These are all the words that VNA has used to describe Tommy -R and yet he agrees with him.
Me - I have never said I agree with anything he does or says but VNA clearly agrees with him.
So is joining a terrorist organisation, blowing innocent women and children up in Manchester, beheading unbelievers, throwing homosexuals off of buildings and grooming and raping 1300 underage children in Rotherham.But that's the point. She 'joined' but didn't commit any of those acts. Blimey, there are plenty on here who have joined the Fazer Owners Club, but own foc all Fazers :)
No, she is able to get the Bangladeshi passport if she applies so Javid has not made her stateless. If Bangladesh now refuse then its BAngladesh that will be making here stateless. If she leaves it too long and misses her 21st birthday cut-off, she has done it herself.But yes he will. She doesn't have Bangladeshi citizenship and Bangladesh can't give her it to her.
QuoteSo is joining a terrorist organisation, blowing innocent women and children up in Manchester, beheading unbelievers, throwing homosexuals off of buildings and grooming and raping 1300 underage children in Rotherham.But that's the point. She 'joined' but didn't commit any of those acts. Blimey, there are plenty on here who have joined the Fazer Owners Club, but own foc all Fazers :)
QuoteNo, she is able to get the Bangladeshi passport if she applies so Javid has not made her stateless. If Bangladesh now refuse then its BAngladesh that will be making here stateless. If she leaves it too long and misses her 21st birthday cut-off, she has done it herself.But yes he will. She doesn't have Bangladeshi citizenship and Bangladesh can't give her it to her.
fascist, white supremacist, racist, xenophobic, little focing cnut (fazersharp changed the wording here )
These are all the words that VNA has used to describe Tommy -R and yet he agrees with him.
Me - I have never said I agree with anything he does or says but VNA clearly agrees with him.
Thats because the far right and the far left are both the same, if you are not in total agreement with them then they just insult you with a lot of words ending in " ism " or " phobia ".
I pose the question: Should a foreign national come over here, commit/support a terrorist action, and be captured, would said individual stand trial here or in the country of their nationality. I assume that individual would stand trial here, so how come the woman c9oncerned cannot stand trial in the location of her alleged criminal activity?Already covered that - see reply #12
These are all the words that VNA has used to describe Tommy -R and yet he agrees with him.
Me - I have never said I agree with anything he does or says but VNA clearly agrees with him.
And yet you agree with himQuoteThese are all the words that VNA has used to describe Tommy -R and yet he agrees with him.
Me - I have never said I agree with anything he does or says but VNA clearly agrees with him.
Let me be clear. Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon is a convicted criminal. He has convictions for assault, false identity, fraud and contempt of court. He is a known football hooligan and racist.
I have zero interest in him and his views. He is scum.
His only interest quite frankly is himself. He is a narcissist and one that appears to have psychopathic tendencies.
And yet you agree with himI am not in any shape or forum in agreement with Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon, nor will I ever be.
VNA your views appear just as unpleasant to quite a few of us as his are to most of us, but from the other side of the coin.Firstly, on such matters it is best to speak for yourself. Let others decide what their view is.
Though in terms of protecting our youth it puzzles me that nobody is concerned about Saudi and our other ME allies. Saudi sells us shit loads of oil, we also happen to sell them a shit load of arms which they have recently used extensively and indiscriminately in Yemen. But most worrying of all if you follow the cash it was Saudi along with certain other ME allies that funded ISIS.Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFwNeEl55WkYou#) need to get yourself a whisky - no water - one piece of ice, prepare yourself with a virtue signalling sick bucket if you must, and view the vid because its mirrors pretty much what you have said.
The other issue is this so called ‘radicalisation’ that is occurring in some of our Muslim communities. We have sat back and allowed the Saudi’s to spread their sick disgusting Wahhabist murderous ideology around the globe. They have spent a small, sorry a large fortune right across Europe building mosques and installing their own Saudi Wahhabist Iman’s in them.
So really, I don’t give a shit about Shamina Begum, she’s just a stupid young woman taken in by Saudi funded ideology that we have happily financed and encouraged.
I don't understand why people arn't angry about that.
need to get yourself a whisky - no water - one piece of ice, prepare yourself with a virtue signalling sick bucket if you must, and view the vid because its mirrors pretty much what you have said.Please refer to reply #137
QuoteVNA your views appear just as unpleasant to quite a few of us as his are to most of us, but from the other side of the coin.Firstly, on such matters it is best to speak for yourself. Let others decide what their view is.
We do have our own view but you keep trying to infer we are stupid, misled, racist , fascists because we have a view that you do not agree with.I’m not in the business of calling people racist, fascist or whatever etc etc. However, I will call out what I consider to be unreasonable views. And, umm, we do actually have people openly and repeatedly promoting a little fascist fuck called SCYL right here on this forum.
And, umm, we do actually have people openly and repeatedly promoting a little fascist fuck called SCYL right here on this forum.No one is promoting him. Anyone who reads what you said and then sees the vid will see that what you have said and what the "little fascist fuck" says are almost identical.
No one is promoting him.You just posted one of his silly little videos.
How is it that the far right and the extreme left can share the same views yet one is racist and the other is not.I don't understand this bit. Who is extreme left?
I don't understand this bit. Who is extreme left?Indeed.
And, umm, we do actually have people openly and repeatedly promoting a little fascist fuck called SCYL right here on this forum
I stand up against terrorists, rapists and evil states..... whatever their religion.
It seems SYL and his friends are a little more fussy as to who they criticise, and who they don't.
I stand up against terrorists, rapists and evil states..... whatever their religion.
It seems SYL and his friends are a little more fussy as to who they criticise, and who they don't.
Why are you bringing up windrush - this has nothing to do with it.Convincing.
QuoteWe do have our own view but you keep trying to infer we are stupid, misled, racist , fascists because we have a view that you do not agree with.
So with that in thought, can we all agree, that once again, I am correct, this time with respect to Shamima, put this thread to bed, and get back to talking bikes. ;)
Just take a look at the statistics of the ethnicity of grooming gangs and then dig a little deeper.And as I have already pointed out, you like SYL, choose to turn a blind eye to the prosecuted groomers, child rapists and sex offenders that are EDL, BNP members and supporters of SYL.
And there you have it, the" I am right and you are wrong so shut up" argument of the political zealots the world over.
We cannot bear this responsibility alone. We ask the international community and the countries to which Isis members belong to take up its moral and legal duty and repatriate their citizens back to their countries.Unfortunately, life is not black and white. Sometimes doing the right thing stinks. That means taking our citizens back. If they have committed crimes then they should be tried and jailed.
And it seems for a very good reason unless you choose to ignore facts.
Just take a look at the statistics of the ethnicity of grooming gangs and then dig a little deeper.
These are facts, not predudice or fantasy.
You as a left wing liberal can deny and refuse to discuss the truth all day long but believe me ..... It's only a matter of time before everyone will be aware of the truth.
Let's see where you stand then.
QuoteI pose the question: Should a foreign national come over here, commit/support a terrorist action, and be captured, would said individual stand trial here or in the country of their nationality. I assume that individual would stand trial here, so how come the woman c9oncerned cannot stand trial in the location of her alleged criminal activity?Already covered that - see reply #12
QuoteAnd there you have it, the" I am right and you are wrong so shut up" argument of the political zealots the world over.
Slappy, your view is that you are unhappy that I do not share your view. That is not an argument.
Nope, no 12 did nt answer the question. I understand that the Kurds may be struggling for resources, but the Kurds dont have or belong to a state as such do they. There is no Kurdia, so ill guess they dont have the authority or legislation in place to try anyone. Come to think of it, wasnt it too long ago that the Kurds were considered terrorists by the various states in which they resided? It reminds a little of my old, on one of the very few occasions he talked about his national service. He served in the middle east in the aftermath of WW2, and i recall him telling me that the arabs were your friends one day, the next they were shooting at you, even the ones we were trying help. He found them unreliable, untrustworthy, and excitable, and if you had something they wanted, they would slit your throat for it.Aye the Kurds have been time and time again betrayed by the UK and others. Yes 'we' tried to help the Arabs by stealing their oil, drawing up borders to suit our own imperialistic ambitions, killing and gassing those who resisted and making whole ethnicities stateless.
Absolute bollocks, I am very happy that a person like you does not share my view,.Attack me all you want. I know it's all you can do.
You are nothing more than a political zealot who trolls this forum preaching your spite and bile at anyone who does not share your view..
But its the Russians who have done the most to clear out isis from Syria.
But its the Russians who have done the most to clear out isis from Syria.Or to be more accurate they provided lethal and often indesciminate air support to Assad's forces, whom of course the Kurds oppose.
Back on subject, I've had an interesting thought.
Savid Javid has set a dangerous but important precedent. If a UK born person, who is eligible through birth line, but hasn't applied for nationality of another country, and they have committed an act of supporting a terrorist organisation, he can withdraw their UK citizenship on the basis that they can apply for nationality of the other country, even if they don't choose to.
Now it's a fact that anybody born on the island of Ireland, including Northern Ireland, or in fact with just one grandparent born there, can apply for Republic of Ireland citizenship and get a passport.
So when is he going to withdraw Arlene Foster's British Citizenship? :)
For what reason, she was born in Ireland and lives in Ireland!You haven't understood my post.
Wrong - as usual, the Russians are supporting Assad. As for boots on the ground you are naive if you think the Americans, Russia, we do not have them there.QuoteBut its the Russians who have done the most to clear out isis from Syria.Or to be more accurate they provided lethal and often indesciminate air support to Assad's forces, whom of course the Kurds oppose.
But no, the Russians never had boots on the ground. So no they didn't.
Wrong - as usual, the Russians are supporting Assad.Yes that's what I stated.
As for boots on the ground you are naive if you think the Americans, Russia, we do not have them there.There may have been some discreet advisors, but that would be about it.
Im sure that the sas are in there directing airstrikes to jihadi jon -et-alQuoteWrong - as usual, the Russians are supporting Assad.Yes that's what I stated.Yes you did --- my mistakeQuoteAs for boots on the ground you are naive if you think the Americans, Russia, we do not have them there.There may have been some discreet advisors, but that would be about it.
Either the Americans or Russians putting boots on the ground could risk a major global escalation.
Im sure that the sas are in there directing airstrikes to jihadi jon -et-alLooks like you are correct on that. Presumably the USA and Russia have come to some sort of agreement to go after their common enemy ISIS.But I can't see either side risking boots on the ground.
Welcome back Dazza. Missed you. How was your break in Salford? :lol
And here's to Tommy bringing down the BBC.The little racist thugs name is Stephen.
I'd fucking love to see that. Although I suspect there's going to be more foul play along the way. Still, whatever happens, can't wait for them to be exposed.
The fact they are trying their best to silence him now will make people stop and take note.
You sure they wasn't talking about John Sweeney.Apparently not...
I would not be surprised if it was hope not fake that posted stuff with the intention of getting it pulled.QuoteYou sure they wasn't talking about John Sweeney.Apparently not...
So, did SYL make those posts?
I would not be surprised if it was hope not fake that posted stuff with the intention of getting it pulled.
That's not to say some fukwit hasn't said it on his page.
Strangely enough his Facebook and Instagram pages seem to have disappeared.
Seriously though, whatever your opinion of TR or Stephen Laxley Lennon, it's certainly a revealing and damning expose of the the underhand techniques being used to portray someone as something they're not.
Some people are too far gone to accept anything other that what they want (VNA) but I had you down as more intelligent than that.
He's still on youtube
QuoteSeriously though, whatever your opinion of TR or Stephen Laxley Lennon, it's certainly a revealing and damning expose of the the underhand techniques being used to portray someone as something they're not.
Some people are too far gone to accept anything other that what they want (VNA) but I had you down as more intelligent than that.
So, so called Tommy Robinson, a man who doesn’t even operate under his own name. A man, a known football hooligan, with multiple convictions for assault, traveling under false papers, fraud and contempt of court and not to mention has further legal action pending. A man who is a known racist, a drug user, has lead an organisation that has promoted fascism, racism and violence which just so happened to be riddled with paedophiles, is the man you tell us that is going to show us the truth.
Really!?
Sounds like Corbyn you're describing
Sounds like Corbyn you're describing ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/url])
We can all post silly photoshops....
Problem solved, no reason to come back now. :rolleyes
Hmm. Innocent British citizen dies abroad due to home secretary's illegal ruling, and nobody gives a fuck. Welcome to Hostile BritainYes you would just love that wouldn't you. Have you ever thought that the reason for it could well of been to garner the response that you so readily give without questioning any other motive.
Yes you would just love that wouldn't you. Have you ever thought that the reason for it could well of been to garner the response that you so readily give without questioning any other motive.Sorry I genuinely haven't a clue what you are on about? Are we actually celebrating the death of a child?
I am saying that it would not surprise me if it was IS that are behind it, do you not put it past them ? you think for one second they would not blink at the opportunity ? They are well versed in propaganda which is one of the reasons she was lured out there in the first place. And your reaction is exactly what they are hoping for.QuoteYes you would just love that wouldn't you. Have you ever thought that the reason for it could well of been to garner the response that you so readily give without questioning any other motive.Sorry I genuinely haven't a clue what you are on about? Are we actually celebrating the death of a child?
Hmm. Innocent British citizen dies abroad due to home secretary's illegal ruling, and nobody gives a fuck. Welcome to Hostile BritainYou should watch that your jerking knee does not knock over your champagne or kir royal
QuoteSeriously though, whatever your opinion of TR or Stephen Laxley Lennon, it's certainly a revealing and damning expose of the the underhand techniques being used to portray someone as something they're not.
Some people are too far gone to accept anything other that what they want (VNA) but I had you down as more intelligent than that.
So, so called Tommy Robinson, a man who doesn’t even operate under his own name. A man, a known football hooligan, with multiple convictions for assault, traveling under false papers, fraud and contempt of court and not to mention has further legal action pending. A man who is a known racist, a drug user, has lead an organisation that has promoted fascism, racism and violence which just so happened to be riddled with paedophiles, is the man you tell us that is going to show us the truth.
Really!?
I am saying that it would not surprise me if it was IS that are behind it, do you not put it past them ? you think for one second they would not blink at the opportunity ? They are well versed in propaganda which is one of the reasons she was lured out there in the first place. And your reaction is exactly what they are hoping for.
Just out of interest, did anyone actually see her child ?
Because all I ever saw was her holding a bundle of rags.
If indeed a child was ever in there, she would of suffocated it weeks ago.
The baby son of Shamima Begum - who fled London to join the Islamic State group - has died, a spokesman for the Syrian Democratic Forces has said.
The group, which runs the camp where the teenager has been living, confirmed the death on Friday.
The baby died of pneumonia, according to a medical certificate. He was less than three weeks old.
A paramedic working for the Kurdish Red Crescent in the camp told the BBC that the baby, called Jarrah, had been suffering from breathing difficulties.
He was taken to a doctor on Thursday morning before being transferred to hospital, along with his mother, but died at 13:30 local time that day, the medical worker added.
Ms Begum has since returned to the camp and her child was buried there yesterday.
"Children should not suffer, so if a parent does lose their British citizenship it does not affect the rights of their child."Sajid Javid
Of course all the conspiracy theories coming out now. There never was a child, IS killed it etc etc.No conspiracy here - that is just another tactic that goes in the book just under racist. I question everything and everyone. Good for you that you believe the reports you are told if it makes you happy.Wasn't there a queue of journalists waiting outside her tent to interview her- strange there were no reports of the baby being ill which if were true surely that would of been jumped on by her supporters and used.And that is another point - no one has seen a baby - only a pile of rags - not even a face seen.Wasn't she first interviewed whilst supposedly pregnant.
Well it's quite clear from today's reports it died of pneumonia.
Jesus Fucking Christ Fazersharp. Sometimes you really are just a wee bit thick. :lol"A Baby" - she was never even pregnant.
The death has been confirmed by the Democratic Syrian Forces who run the camp.
It has further been confirmed by the Kurdish Red Crescent.
The UK government have issued a statement.
Clearly Shamima Begum holds abhorrent views and to want to join Islamic State is beyond all comprehension, but she was a child, a product of our society.Conservative MP Phillip Lee
I think we had a moral responsibility to her and indeed to her baby. That is why at the time I was just troubled by the decision. It seemed driven by a sort of populism, not any principle I recognise.
The camps have been overwhelmed as more and more flee the last remaining areas of Isis. More than 62,000 are now living in al-Hol camp, surpassing its capacity and leaving thousands sleeping out in the cold.https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/shamima-begum-baby-death-son-isis-syria-lawyer-court-a8814091.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/shamima-begum-baby-death-son-isis-syria-lawyer-court-a8814091.html)
It has also been announced that 100 people have died over the past two months on their way to the camp or shortly after arriving, two thirds being babies and infants.
Aid groups have been sounding the alarm over conditions in the camp for weeks. The International Rescue Committee (IRC), which operates at al-Hol, said it was now at “breaking point”.
“We have seen a staggering number of children die on the journey to al-Hol camp due to a combination of malnutrition and hypothermia,” said Misty Buswell, the IRC’s Middle East advocacy director. “There is now an urgent need for thousands more family tents to get to al-Hol to help shelter the latest arrivals as well as increased funding to support the health crisis unfolding at the camp.”
Many of those arriving at the camp are in extremely poor health, the IRC added. There have been hundreds of cases of malnutrition and diarrhoea, including 364 infants under the age of five.
"A Baby" - she was never even pregnant.Fazersharp - go and have a lie down...... now :rolleyes
The only person to blame is herself, she went to Syria, had three children with her Isis terrorist husband , all who have died, has no regrets or remorse.Pointing the finger at other people is just political point scoring, achieves nothing and just shows once again that there are a lot of tossers out there that think it is perfectly alright to not take responsibity for your own actions and choices in life.
QuoteThe only person to blame is herself, she went to Syria, had three children with her Isis terrorist husband , all who have died, has no regrets or remorse.Pointing the finger at other people is just political point scoring, achieves nothing and just shows once again that there are a lot of tossers out there that think it is perfectly alright to not take responsibity for your own actions and choices in life.
The only person not to blame is the child. Which could have lived, had the right thing been done.
Let’s face it Sajid Javid let that baby child, a British citizen, die. All because he wanted to appeal to popular sentiment. Shame on him.
After two children had already died she got pregnant again, no thoughts of what might happen to a third child.Hmm, I strongly suspect your 19th century British ancestors faced exactly the same problem. Lucky for you one survived.
assuming she hadn't claimed another ISIS fighter's dead baby was hers.Dear o dear. A few weeks ago when all this started she was seen on television as visibly pregnant. Or was that just a cushion stuffed up her hijab?
QuoteAfter two children had already died she got pregnant again, no thoughts of what might happen to a third child.Hmm, I strongly suspect your 19th century British ancestors faced exactly the same problem. Lucky for you one survived.
Exactly, the values Isis and too many other muslims hold dear belong in the 19th century and earlier.But the British state considers Saudi Arabia, the spiritual home of Wahhabist Islam (ISIS idealology), and one of the main funders of ISIS, as our close allies. They are our friends.
There you go again quoting your mate SYLQuoteExactly, the values Isis and too many other muslims hold dear belong in the 19th century and earlier.But the British state considers Saudi Arabia, the spiritual home of Wahhabist Islam (ISIS idealology), and one of the main funders of ISIS, as our close allies. They are our friends.
Exactly, the values Isis and too many other muslims hold dear belong in the 19th century and earlier.I think you're missing my point
Ogri, this is the mindset of the left wing liberal:thumbup spot on dazzatraitorsappeasers.
They are blinded by MSM propagander and will never blame the actual perpetrator.
They are the reason that right wing extremism is growing. They are too blinded to be able to see this.
The day they are willing to sit down and listen instead of throwing blame and labels around is the day that the real issues that affect us all will be able to be talked about and solved.
Simply denying that there is a problem, does not resolve the problem but makes it worse.
It always amazes me that these people think they are educated but cannot see beyond their own limited mindset.
It's also got to be said that although I don't agree with them, I defend their right to express their own opinion.
That's what makes us a free and democratic society......Oh.... Hang on a minute, it's a pity they don't practice what they pretend to preach.
Is this Great Britain or North Korea ?
QuoteExactly, the values Isis and too many other muslims hold dear belong in the 19th century and earlier.I think you're missing my point
I get the point you are trying to make but my ancestors were not terrorists,.Nope, you're still missing it. Have another go.
Quote<blockquote> I get the point you are trying to make but my ancestors were not terrorists,.</blockquote>Nope, you're still missing it. Have another go.Whilst Slappy is missing the point, I can’t help but comment on his answer.
:thumbup spot on dazza
Quote:thumbup spot on dazza
Naw Ogri. Read Dazza's post again. It’s a kind of Donald Trump style rant. It’s words joined together that actually don’t say anything. It’s may sound good, until you look closely and realise that there is no substance or meaning.
Ogri, this is the mindset of the left wing liberaltraitorsappeasers.
The day they are willing to sit down and listen instead of throwing blame and labels around is the day that the real issues that affect us all will be able to be talked about and solved
It always amazes me that these people think they are educated but cannot see beyond their own limited mindset.
Yep, your response pretty much sums up what I said. ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/cheesy.gif[/url])
:lol You're an idiot.
No dignified self governing state should abandon responsibility for its own citizens in this way, trying to dump them on to poorer countries with failed security arrangements. Javid's behaviour is a recipe for refugee chaos and is moral cowardice of the worst sort.Absolutely 100% agree.
Not my words, but the words of the former Director of Public Prosecutions
Absolutely 100% agree.
Absolutely 100% agree.
:rolleyes Oh stop you two.
No dignified self governing state should abandon responsibility for its own citizens in this way, trying to dump them on to poorer countries with failed security arrangements. Javid's behaviour is a recipe for refugee chaos and is moral cowardice of the worst sort.So, without any of the playground stuff, explain to me (please) two things.
Not my words, but the words of the former Director of Public Prosecutions
A home secretarys prime responsibility is to keep people here safe, is it not? Would not letting a jihadi bride waltz back into the country compromise that?I agree with mtread.
Herself. She turned her back on this country, so as far as I see it, she made herself stateless.That's not answering the question Ogri.
QuoteHerself. She turned her back on this country, so as far as I see it, she made herself stateless.That's not answering the question Ogri.
I'll try again;
Who do you think is, or should be, legally responsible for people like Shamima Begum? Or if you like, what country should take responsibility for her.
Ogri is correct - legally everyone is responsible for their own actions, but it's yet again a personal "interpretation" of the "legally responsible" wording which you love to peck at like a Budgie.No he is not. Of which country, for example, and bearing in mind that in law it is not legal to make a person stateless, is Shamima Begum a citizen of?
I always wondered what they wear under their yellow vests :)
QuoteA home secretarys prime responsibility is to keep people here safe, is it not? Would not letting a jihadi bride waltz back into the country compromise that?I agree with mtread.
So a question for you Ogri. Who do you think is, or should be, legally responsible for people like Shamima Begum?
OK in simple terms with just a few facts
1. No it wouldn't. She would be likely to be prosecuted for joining a prescribed organisation, and even if not would be constantly monitored. It's the ones you don't know about who are the risk.
2. It's immaterial where the killer came from. He will be too young to have witnessed the Yugoslav wars, and anyway most of the atrocities were in Bosnia, against Muslims. Anyway there is no correlation between capital punishment and the right to life of victims. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Another one to add to the ever growing bill then, already 6,000 on the "watch" list, constantly being monitored, no doubt not working and being paid by the state for being a burden. Likely cost of these burdens with no useful contribution to make to society apart from bitterness and harm is likely to be hundreds of millions a year. The politics of a madhouse.Yes unfortunately true, but it helps keep us safe. Most of which are British born nationals, and many are on the extreme right. Terrorists are terrorists, whatever their motivation.
QuoteAnother one to add to the ever growing bill then, already 6,000 on the "watch" list, constantly being monitored, no doubt not working and being paid by the state for being a burden. Likely cost of these burdens with no useful contribution to make to society apart from bitterness and harm is likely to be hundreds of millions a year. The politics of a madhouse.Yes unfortunately true, but it helps keep us safe. Most of which are British born nationals, and many are on the extreme right. Terrorists are terrorists, whatever their motivation.
But it's a fact that the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by UK nationals who have never left the country.
But it's a fact that the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by UK nationals who have never left the country.
well said. It gets exhausting, doesn't it. no matter what atrocity, indignity and hurt is heaped onto our homeland or our citizens, according to the supercilious insults from those coddled in their liberal opinions on their moral high ground, somehow we are always to blame. Shamina Begum made a choice, one that so many other refugees all over the world didn't have. Watching people like Diane Abbott playing the blame game with that poor babies death, and try to make political capital out of it is equally galling.The left say bring her back to face justice, when we all know (including them) she wont have to, just as hundreds of others who have returned havnt. The blame for this infants death lies squarely with isis and the misbegotten path his parents took, not with us, or the governments. but then that doesnt suit the ideology of those who hate both this country, and those of us who love it.But it's a fact that the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by UK nationals who have never left the country.
That may or may not be the case, but it has no bearing on my statement, which is solely and simply regarding those who have made their way to a war zone, been trained in various methods of killing/torture/rape etc against anyone who is not of their cause. Their return would cause significant strain upon already stretched resources, with the ultimate risk of perpetrators slipping of the radar and acting against the nation and its citizens.
Those already here require a different solution
Shamina Begum made a choice, one that so many other refugees all over the world didn't have.Shamina Begum is not a refugee.
Another one to add to the ever growing bill then, already 6,000 on the "watch" list, constantly being monitored, no doubt not working and being paid by the state for being a burden. Likely cost of these burdens with no useful contribution to make to society apart from bitterness and harm is likely to be hundreds of millions a year. The politics of a madhouse.It's the price the UK has to pay for it's continuing imperialism. We have, at the end of the day, brought this on ourselves. And just thank your lucky stars you ain't Afghan, Iarqi or Libyan. All countries the UK has helped destroy in recent years. 100,000 upon 100,000's of people killed and millions upon millions displaced.
It's the price the UK has to pay for it's continuing imperialism. We have, at the end of the day, brought this on ourselves.You make it sound like we are the only country who has had its citizens travel to the "caliphate " As of December 2015, approximately 30,000 fighters from at least 85 countries had travelled. Are you saying that those 85 countries are all imperialistic warmongers.
But I don't think that ordinary people should continue to pay the price for decisions that madman made.
no politicians have the guts to say enough is enough.So how does that work then? OK I've said 'enough'. Look no difference.
That may or may not be the case,
Those already here require a different solution
And its a fact the vast majority, and the worst ones, have been committed by people identifying as supporters of Islam.Yes indeed fascism is rearing it’s ugly face once more across the globe.
There is a rise in far right terrorism as well and both types of terrorism will continue to rise because no politicians have the guts to say enough is enough.
Today 49 people were shot dead as they attended their place of worship in New Zealand. The killer describes himself as “a regular white man from a regular family”. He describes his parents as “Scottish, Irish and English stock”
So maybe we should start right here on this forum by saying enough is enough. No more promotion of facist material – no more Stephen Yaxley videos. No more links to known right wing extremists and facebook groups.