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Title: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: Decoke Dave on 16 February 2019, 08:12:33 pm
Where do we start on this one!!!!!!!!!!!!!   I would love someone to give me a reason why some openly unrepentant stupid little worthless excuse of a  human being, who joined an anti Christian terrorist organisation would EVER in ANY circumstances be allowed back into this country of ours?  An utter disgrace to any British parents who lost a son/daughter or children who lost a mother/father fighting this barbaric scum! 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 16 February 2019, 09:00:46 pm
Oh for fucks sake! :lol
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Post by: Grahamm on 17 February 2019, 12:31:15 am
Burn the witch! Burn the...

Oh, sorry, wrong lynch mob...
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Post by: celticdog on 17 February 2019, 01:32:46 am
 :kiss  lol i was waiting for a thread on this one  :lurk
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Post by: steve 10562cc on 17 February 2019, 06:46:11 am
I'll sit this one out. Caused enough trouble with my Brexit thread.
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Post by: celticdog on 17 February 2019, 09:16:01 am
at least we know where Donald stands on this one-


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-47269887 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-47269887)

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Post by: slappy on 17 February 2019, 09:39:41 am
Its all sorted out, VNA thinks she is just a victim of the British Empire so is going to pay to bring her back to his house where she and her hild will live for the rest  of their natural lives with all their living costs tc met from his wallet.
Come on VNA , put your money where your mouth is.
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Post by: ogri48 on 17 February 2019, 10:32:26 am
I genuinely hope she will get murdered in that camp by an isis fanatic now that she has finished her "jolly", and decided Britain is good enough for her and her kid to live on its benefits even though its such an evil regime she still feels justified in aiding the murder of its citizens.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2019, 10:33:29 am
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Its all sorted out, VNA thinks she is just a victim of the British Empire
That's not what I said.
In fact as I have said I am in total agreement, in respect of Shamima Begum,  with extreme right wing, and general foc-u BREXITEERS hero, Tory Jacob Rees Mogg. :eek
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Come on VNA , put your money where your mouth is.
So, instead of trying to tell everybody what you think my opinion is Slappy, why don’t you, in your infinite wisdom and with your worldly wise knowledge tell us what you think the solution to the problem is.
 
How about it?
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2019, 10:37:40 am
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I genuinely hope she will get murdered in that camp by an isis
So you wish to see a 19 year old, 9 month pregnant woman murdered.  Presumably you’d be quite happy to slit the girls throat yourself, and in doing so also kill the 100% innocent child that she carries.
How genuinely charming of you Ogri.

 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2019, 10:42:06 am
 I can’t help but notice the term anti-Christian in the title post.


I am myself an atheist.  But I wonder if the teachings of Christ would be to let her (Shamima) rot in hell, as I get the impression Decoke Dave wishes, or would Jesus just slit their throats and kill any children as Ogri genuinely hopes.


Hmmm, I wonder.
 
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Post by: ogri48 on 17 February 2019, 10:46:48 am

I don't recall saying anything about murdering her and her child personally mate. Opinions are like arseholes, we all have them. And thats mine. I think you have been attacked personally over yours so much you are perhaps understandably going down the same road.
If we all just attacked the opinion, not the person, on what is after all just a manufacturer specific forum dedicated to something we all love (bikes), it would all be far less emotive and more rational.
and yes, I am actually a very charming man  ;)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2019, 10:48:24 am
 Meanwhile possibly what The Sun and the Daily Mail have not pointed out to you is that the Kurdish-led Democratic Forces are struggling to cope with the responsibility of holding IS detainees from 50 countries that they have in custody. 
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There is little doubt that the Kurds’ fledgling administration lacks the resources and capacity to put on trial, or detain indefinitely, so many people. It’s vital too that they are in a position to carry out detentions under humane and sustainable conditions over an extensive period of time, something that cannot be done without the advice and support from foreign states and other international bodies.
In Syria’s Kurdish enclave the leftist ideology embraced there means a rejection of the death penalty and focuses on rehabilitation rather than punishment for those foreign fighters captured. This is different from Iraq where the Western-backed government often carries out the death penalty, earning the condemnation of Western human-rights groups.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17438652.david-pratt-looking-at-the-implications-of-returning-from-is/ (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17438652.david-pratt-looking-at-the-implications-of-returning-from-is/)
 
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“Everyone is running away from the responsibility,” 
Abdulkarim Omar, a leader of the Kurdish-led foreign-relations commission
 
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Post by: ogri48 on 17 February 2019, 10:51:20 am

What can I say mate, its fucked up.
one of the "Bethnal green three"s dads had taken her to at least three hate rallies. How do we even begin to fight hatred being bred by family like that?
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2019, 10:52:23 am
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I genuinely hope she will get murdered in that camp by an isis fanatic now that she has finished her "jolly"
Charming.  Intersting to note that she is right now protected by the forces she fought against.


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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2019, 10:53:21 am
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How do we even begin to fight hatred being bred by family like that?
By slitting their throats?
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Post by: ogri48 on 17 February 2019, 10:53:56 am
finally we agree on summat! ;)
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Post by: ogri48 on 17 February 2019, 10:54:55 am
I knew you were just misunderstood..
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2019, 10:55:02 am
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finally we agree on summat! ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/wink.gif[/url])

Ivanising?
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Post by: ogri48 on 17 February 2019, 10:56:13 am

 :lol :lol :lol :lol

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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2019, 10:58:26 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dzgxs8PWwAEBI3g.jpg)
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Post by: fazersharp on 17 February 2019, 12:11:42 pm
Any-who. I thought they ceremoniously burned their Brittish passports when they arrived at their "state". So they have no documented proof of their nationality.
She probably wont be on benefits anyway because she will have an agent and will be on all the morning tv programmes, newspaper interviews, and pan-o-drama will pay her.
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Post by: john roche on 17 February 2019, 02:59:37 pm
She was a 15 year old child who was groomed!


John
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Post by: darrsi on 17 February 2019, 03:50:49 pm
Not pregnant any more, she's had a bouncing baby bomb, ahem, i mean baby boy.
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Post by: steve 10562cc on 17 February 2019, 04:46:24 pm
darrsi like it boom boom
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Post by: slappy on 17 February 2019, 05:43:22 pm
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Its all sorted out, VNA thinks she is just a victim of the British Empire
That's not what I said.
In fact as I have said I am in total agreement, in respect of Shamima Begum,  with extreme right wing, and general foc-u BREXITEERS hero, Tory Jacob Rees Mogg. :eek
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Come on VNA , put your money where your mouth is.
So, instead of trying to tell everybody what you think my opinion is Slappy, why don’t you, in your infinite wisdom and with your worldly wise knowledge tell us what you think the solution to the problem is.
 
How about it?

Its simple , a total worldwide ban on any kind of religious or political ideology, they are both just tools used by power seeking arseholes to control people.  Maybe then people like you will shut the foc up  lecturing other people and insulting thrm by calling  racist, xenophobic and fascist just becausevtheybhold a different view to you.


"Yup sure it's OK to spout racist xenophobic Daily Mail pish.[/size]And indivduals can post facist material without complaint."
Your words I believe.




As for being worldly wise , I have worked in South Africa, Nigeria, Malaysia and the US and I can tell you that just about everyone in all those different countries that I worked with dislike religion and political arseholes spouting shite.
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Post by: mtread on 17 February 2019, 06:15:28 pm
May is just hoping that this 'fuss' steals the headlines for another 6 weeks......  and you're all falling for it  :rolleyes
What doesn't seem to have bothered people quite so much is the recent forced deportation of more of the Windrush generation (some who have lived here since the age of 4) because they've committed 'serious' offences such as dangerous driving.
But of course you can choose your own outrage....
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Post by: fazersharp on 17 February 2019, 07:04:01 pm
May is just hoping that this 'fuss' steals the headlines for another 6 weeks......  and you're all falling for it  :rolleyes
What doesn't seem to have bothered people quite so much is the recent forced deportation of more of the Windrush generation (some who have lived here since the age of 4) because they've committed 'serious' offences such as dangerous driving.
But of course you can choose your own outrage....
Don't forget rape or serious assault and dangerous isn't just eating an apple at the traffic lights. IMO anyone convicted should be sent home BEFORE they spend time in HMP. Dont try and link in windrush as I don't think any of them fit into that category.   
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Post by: dazza on 17 February 2019, 07:07:29 pm
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=847703352228202&id=587699481561925
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Post by: fazersharp on 17 February 2019, 07:08:32 pm
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recent forced deportation of more of the Windrush generation (some who have lived here since the age of 4) because they've committed 'serious' offences such as dangerous driving.

I googled it -Here you go.
 Officials provided a breakdown of crimes committed by the offenders on Wednesday that said one person on the flight had been convicted of murder and four of various sexual offences including rape. Fourteen people on the flight – almost half of those being deported – had been convicted of drugs offences. Six had been convicted of violent crimes including grievous bodily harm and battery, and three of firearms and weapon offences. One person’s conviction was for dangerous driving.
Its now completely clear that most of your posts in these political threads are just aimed winding people up. It looks like you are just like the Daily Mail.
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Post by: ogri48 on 17 February 2019, 07:39:15 pm
nicely done fazersharp. trying to bring in another "right wing outrage" didn't work out too well for the left wing faction of FOC-Uthere I  guess... :lol :lol
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Post by: fazersharp on 17 February 2019, 08:30:00 pm
nicely done fazersharp. trying to bring in another "right wing outrage" didn't work out too well for the left wing faction of FOC-Uthere I  guess... :lol :lol
Yes trying to trigger a response that the left (mtread) and the marxist's (VNA) can snow on.
Bit too warm for that today.

But I do think snowtread has a point about looking the other way, I am thinking that Jihadi Bride will be brought to the UK on 23rd Feb to distract from that event.
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Post by: dazza on 17 February 2019, 08:42:00 pm
 :D
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2019, 10:34:01 pm
 
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What doesn't seem to have bothered people quite so much is the recent forced deportation of more of the Windrush generation (some who have lived here since the age of 4) because they've committed 'serious' offences such as dangerous driving.




 
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Officials provided a breakdown of crimes committed by the offenders on Wednesday that said one person on the flight had been convicted of murder and four of various sexual offences including rape. Fourteen people on the flight – almost half of those being deported – had been convicted of drugs offences. Six had been convicted of violent crimes including grievous bodily harm and battery, and three of firearms and weapon offences. One person’s conviction was for dangerous driving.
Its now completely clear that most of your posts in these political threads are just aimed winding people up. It looks like you are just like the Daily Mail.

All that is immaterial.  The Windrush generation are British.  If any of them (the Windrush generation), like any of us here in the UK, have committed serious crimes then sure, they should be tried and if guilty do the time. 



And what I don’t understand is why, under the circumstances, the Jamaican Government is accepting these flights.  They should let the plane refuel and then return it to the UK with it’s passengers still on board.  What the fuck is going on here?
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2019, 10:35:10 pm
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Its simple , a total worldwide ban on any kind of religious or political ideology, they are both just tools used by power seeking arseholes to control people.  Maybe then people like you will shut the foc up  lecturing other people and insulting thrm by calling  racist, xenophobic and fascist just becausevtheybhold a different view to you.
Aye, sure, dead simple.  I can see you put a lot of thought into that Slappy. :lol
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Post by: mtread on 17 February 2019, 10:56:06 pm
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All that is immaterial.  The Windrush generation are British.  If any of them (the Windrush generation), like any of us here in the UK, have committed serious crimes then sure, they should be tried and if guilty do the time. 
Absolutely. If you've been living in the UK since the age of 4, and have no memory of the country you are being deported to it's OK is it? And the one convicted of dangerous driving is OK is it? Just pointing out that doing 60 in a 30 is dangerous driving.
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Post by: mtread on 17 February 2019, 11:32:48 pm
The right wing getting uptight about a British person getting deported back to the UK. How hypocritical  :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 17 February 2019, 11:50:53 pm
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almost half of those being deported – had been convicted of drugs offences.
Ever smoked a joint Fazersharp?  Well if you have.......
I was, you know, pressurised, well peer pressure and all that, into taking a few tooks on a dubbie, but of course I didn't inhale :D
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Post by: fazersharp on 18 February 2019, 10:26:37 am
Why are you bringing up windrush - this has nothing to do with it.
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almost half of those being deported – had been convicted of drugs offences.
Ever smoked a joint Fazersharp?  Well if you have.......
I was, you know, pressurised, well peer pressure and all that, into taking a few tooks on a dubbie, but of course I didn't inhale :D
Why are you bringing in windrush, this has nothing to do with it.And you do not go to jail for having a puff on a spliff, but you would for selling crack cocaine to schoolchildren.If I lived in a country where I could be deported for committing a serious crime then I wouldn't even risk letting go of the steering wheel to pick my nose.What part of the policy do you not like, is it based on how long they have lived here, or is it the colour of their skin perhaps, because white foreign nationals get deported all the the time after serving their sentence but I dont see you snowing on that.   

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Post by: mtread on 18 February 2019, 10:47:26 am
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Why are you bringing in windrush, this has nothing to do with it.
I brought up Windrush because it shows the hypocrisy of the right. You are happy to deport people who are raised but not born in the UK because they have committed a crime, but at the same time want to refuse re-entry into the UK someone who was born here and has not been convicted of any crime here. Typical right wing double standards  :)
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Post by: fazersharp on 18 February 2019, 01:10:51 pm
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Why are you bringing in windrush, this has nothing to do with it.
I brought up Windrush because it shows the hypocrisy of the right. You are happy to deport people who are raised but not born in the UK because they have committed a crime, but at the same time want to refuse re-entry into the UK someone who was born here and has not been convicted of any crime here. Typical right wing double standards  :)
Yes we want to remove violent rapists and drug dealers and those guilty of grievous bodily harm and battery, and firearms offences who are not born in this country and who are not British citizens. And yes we also want to stop terrorist's from entering the country. I see no hypocrisy - only a government trying to fulfil its number 1 priority, which is to protect its people.     
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Post by: dazza on 18 February 2019, 06:23:15 pm
Liberal lefties.....Otherwise known as Nazis..... :lol




https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnewspunch.com%2Fwoman-hitler-germany-liberals-nazis%2F&h=AT37vJqPnx7o5oqyOakKDIt451skXbqPWi5vNPojUZ7Q4R_pjiWgJwqz4G76_qcmR6l54vjLZrujEHYYlQ3ujsyaxoL4o1u6gwvm68S5tJwLilVLYlL6SEmezU86ZX45zfPzXA&s=1
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Post by: dazza on 18 February 2019, 06:26:55 pm
Hey ...VNA....how ya doing?.......Just for you.  :D






https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=341117786612724&id=381971441938916
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Post by: agricola on 18 February 2019, 07:23:34 pm
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recent forced deportation of more of the Windrush generation (some who have lived here since the age of 4) because they've committed 'serious' offences such as dangerous driving.

I googled it -Here you go.
 Officials provided a breakdown of crimes committed by the offenders on Wednesday that said one person on the flight had been convicted of murder and four of various sexual offences including rape. Fourteen people on the flight – almost half of those being deported – had been convicted of drugs offences. Six had been convicted of violent crimes including grievous bodily harm and battery, and three of firearms and weapon offences. One person’s conviction was for dangerous driving.
Its now completely clear that most of your posts in these political threads are just aimed winding people up. It looks like you are just like the Daily Mail.


Top man :thumbup
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Post by: ogri48 on 18 February 2019, 07:25:44 pm
+1
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Post by: mtread on 19 February 2019, 12:47:35 am
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Yes we want to remove violent rapists and drug dealers and those guilty of grievous bodily harm and battery, and firearms offences who are not born in this country and who are not British citizens. And yes we also want to stop terrorist's from entering the country. I see no hypocrisy - only a government trying to fulfil its number 1 priority, which is to protect its people.   
Didn't think you would see the hypocrisy  ;) So it doesn't matter where people are born then? Just dump them in another country.
And Dazza, you're getting very boring with your rediculous Nazi stuff....
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Post by: Decoke Dave on 19 February 2019, 02:04:52 am
        I am fully convinced this "Great" Britain of ours is full of nothing but ultra P.C. cut-outs!  And the usual hide behind the keyboard pathetic warriors!  As a previous resident of a little known town just north of the border called Lockerbie, before, during and after the air disaster I can assure anyone who has not witnessed such an act, or similar, has absolutely no idea of the ramifications of such a heinous terrorist act!!!!!!!
         In the immediate aftermath of the event rumors abounded about possible terrorist activity.   After witnessing first hand  the events it was IMPOSSIBLE for me, as a twenty five year old man to process that this could be anything other than an atrocious accident!   I was utterly convinced there was NO WAY that another human being could possibly have deliberately caused such carnage and suffering to totally innocent people.  Needless to say, to my shame, how naive!  This utterly unrepentant radicalized stupid little excuse of a British citizen girl or her child should NEVER! Set foot in this country again!  In the name of common sense, how on earth can you allow a child in whose head will be filled by her mother with the same abhorrent beliefs as she openly holds.  Will say one thing, smart way of getting one soon to be worthless little Bastard through border checks! No problem!


  P.S.  As I am a father of two daughters at uni the thought just occurred that they may at some time in secondary school teach scum with these beliefs.  That does not rest well on my shoulders.........
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Post by: Decoke Dave on 19 February 2019, 02:41:17 am
I can’t help but notice the term anti-Christian in the title post.


I am myself an atheist.  But I wonder if the teachings of Christ would be to let her (Shamima) rot in hell, as I get the impression Decoke Dave wishes, or would Jesus just slit their throats and kill any children as Ogri genuinely hopes.


Hmmm, I wonder.
   Excuse me!  Who the hell said that!!!!!!!!!!!  Everyone has a right to believe what the want!  You are not an anti-Christian!  You simply do not believe in Christianity!  There is a UNIVERSE of difference!  :eek
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Post by: dazza on 19 February 2019, 03:56:03 am
And Dazza, you're getting very boring with your rediculous Nazi stuff....


It's spelt ridiculous.... And don't worry, I won't get bored with turning the tables on you and VNA......Ever !  :D
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Post by: AJM on 19 February 2019, 06:42:14 am
Lads, lads, lads, don't worry it's all been sorted.
 
Plans are underway to bring Shamena Begum back to the UK.
 
Cardiff City are sorting the flights out.
 
Prince Philip will pick them up from the airport.
 
Kate & Gerry McCann are to adopt the baby.
 
And Dianne Abbot is to sort the timetable for it all to happen.
 
A happy ending  :lol 
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Post by: darrsi on 19 February 2019, 06:43:09 am
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Yes we want to remove violent rapists and drug dealers and those guilty of grievous bodily harm and battery, and firearms offences who are not born in this country and who are not British citizens. And yes we also want to stop terrorist's from entering the country. I see no hypocrisy - only a government trying to fulfil its number 1 priority, which is to protect its people.   
Didn't think you would see the hypocrisy  ;) So it doesn't matter where people are born then? Just dump them in another country.
And Dazza, you're getting very boring with your rediculous Nazi stuff....


We didn't "dump" her. She went to that country, with her mates, on her own doing to start a new life with a terrorist organization which she duly did.
Last time i checked Syria was not really top of the list as a holiday hot spot, and it's not like she was there a couple of weeks visiting family or the like, she was there for years after becoming a member of the very people we are trying to rid the world of.
She's kind of fortunate she's not been taken out by an air strike, but to think she can just come and go as she pleases must raise security issues over here.
She became the enemy, and should be treated as such. Her defence liar is also a racist wrong'un as well by the sounds of things from what i keep reading about his previous rants. But as the saying goes, any publicity is good publicity, even if he is coming across as a complete weasel of a man. 
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Post by: mtread on 19 February 2019, 10:58:15 am
But she's 'Our problem'. British citizen, born here. Should brought back and if appropriate prosecuted here. Either that or the deportees are our problem and not deported.  Amazed you can't see the double standards.
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Post by: darrsi on 19 February 2019, 11:20:28 am
But she's 'Our problem'. British citizen, born here. Should brought back and if appropriate prosecuted here. Either that or the deportees are our problem and not deported.  Amazed you can't see the double standards.


It would seem that everything is our problem these days.


Technically she's still the enemy abroad, so in theory we could deal with "our problem" over there and save the taxpayers a few quid in the process.
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Post by: mtread on 19 February 2019, 01:52:33 pm
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Technically she's still the enemy abroad, so in theory we could deal with "our problem" over there and save the taxpayers a few quid in the process.echnically she's still the enemy abroad, so in theory we could deal with "our problem" over there and save the taxpayers a few quid in the process.
Yeah brilliant idea. Just create more home made vengeful terrorists as a result. Hope I'm not on the tube train at the time.  :rolleyes
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Post by: darrsi on 19 February 2019, 05:18:06 pm
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Technically she's still the enemy abroad, so in theory we could deal with "our problem" over there and save the taxpayers a few quid in the process.echnically she's still the enemy abroad, so in theory we could deal with "our problem" over there and save the taxpayers a few quid in the process.
Yeah brilliant idea. Just create more home made vengeful terrorists as a result. Hope I'm not on the tube train at the time.  :rolleyes

She started it  :lol
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Post by: darrsi on 19 February 2019, 05:22:00 pm
Anyway, there is a war against terrorism....and she's a terrorist.

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Post by: mtread on 19 February 2019, 06:01:25 pm
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.and she's a terrorist.
I don't think that's technically true....
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Post by: celticbiker on 19 February 2019, 06:57:52 pm
Well finally, a sensible decision by a government body for a change.
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship 'revoked'

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-19/shamima-begum-has-uk-citizenship-revoked-by-british-government-itv-news-learns/ (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-19/shamima-begum-has-uk-citizenship-revoked-by-british-government-itv-news-learns/)
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Post by: celticbiker on 19 February 2019, 06:59:24 pm
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship 'revoked'

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-19/shamima-begum-has-uk-citizenship-revoked-by-british-government-itv-news-learns/ (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-19/shamima-begum-has-uk-citizenship-revoked-by-british-government-itv-news-learns/)

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Post by: Decoke Dave on 19 February 2019, 07:03:17 pm
   HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!   The Isis loving witch is to be stripped of her British citizenship!!!!   AT last our hierarchy have got it right!   A total victory for common sense!   :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D . People even youths, MUST understand actions have consequences!  Now I firmly believe the parents/wider family should be investigated for any radical views.  If innocent they nothing to worry about!  I think that has probably been happening since she left the U.K. Anyway.   BOLLOCKS! Too late!
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Post by: ogri48 on 19 February 2019, 07:04:28 pm
And now shes changed tack (the other day she said the Manchester bombing was justified) and is "expressing regret". theres a surprise huh :lol
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: celticbiker on 19 February 2019, 07:27:43 pm
I agree that the child is innocent in all this but ultimately she chose the wrong side and she will have to live with the consequences.
She may have been groomed by radicals and some may say that it's not her fault but where was the parental protection while this was happening, they were either complicit or negligent neither of which is good.
However, I don't trust any organised government to be straight with us and wouldn't be surprised if this is no more than a PR stunt and they sneak her in the back door or ship her off to Guantanamo Bay for interrogation.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 19 February 2019, 08:44:03 pm
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Well finally, a sensible decision by a government body for a change.
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship 'revoked'

I think the truth is that this is what they are trying to do.  I cannot see it standing up in court.  I further suspect this is political populism.  A stunt.  The government is trying to do something it can’t do, and frankly should not be doing, just to play to popular opinion – and you guys are lapping up it, just like you lapped up BREXIT.


Meanwhile the reality is that if the international community reneges on it’s obligations, as quite a number of you here seem to wish, it means that there is a strong possibility the Kurdish forces whom are holding these people will do what they can to can to unofficially return them to their respective countries etc etc  They do not have the resources for trials or to jail them, I don’t think even the finances to deport them (which they would happily do), so I suspect they will move them on one way or another.  These people are not the responsibility of the Kurds.


Our government appears to be happy to let ISIS go free.
 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 19 February 2019, 08:56:01 pm
 
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I am fully convinced this "Great" Britain of ours is full of nothing but ultra P.C. cut-outs!  And the usual hide behind the keyboard pathetic warriors!  As a previous resident of a little known town just north of the border called Lockerbie, before, during and after the air disaster I can assure anyone who has not witnessed such an act, or similar, has absolutely no idea of the ramifications of such a heinous terrorist act!!!!!!!

Decoke, you have heard of Iran Air Flight 655 I take it.  Shot down by the USS Vincennes.  290 passengers died.  Three months and 20 days after they shot down that commercial airliner the crew of the Vincennes returned home to a hero’s welcome.


Flight 655 was brought down on 3rd July 1988.   Pan Am Flight 103 fell out of the sky on 21st December 1988, not that I need to remind you of that date.
 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: celticdog on 19 February 2019, 09:38:47 pm

 
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I am fully convinced this "Great" Britain of ours is full of nothing but ultra P.C. cut-outs!  And the usual hide behind the keyboard pathetic warriors!  As a previous resident of a little known town just north of the border called Lockerbie, before, during and after the air disaster I can assure anyone who has not witnessed such an act, or similar, has absolutely no idea of the ramifications of such a heinous terrorist act!!!!!!!

 
Decoke, you have heard of Iran Air Flight 655 I take it.  Shot down by the USS Vincennes.  290 passengers died.  Three months and 20 days after they shot down that commercial airliner the crew of the Vincennes returned home to a hero’s welcome.

Flight 655 was brought down on 3rd July 1988.   Pan Am Flight 103 fell out of the sky on 21st December 1988, not that I need to remind you of that date.
 

OK but two wrongs don't make a right, tit for tat doesn't solve anything.

OK People make mistakes, countries make mistakes- Shamima made a big mistake. I can accept that she was radicalised and I can also accept that as a young mother she should be given a second chance.
It would be both the British and the christian thing to do- give everyone a second chance, turn the other cheek. I fully expected her to be allowed back into the country and maybe even be a force for good, educating young people on the dangers of radicalisation and all that.

Then I heard her speak.

Spot on Sajid Javid, you made the right choice. A British Muslim prepared to speak out against antisemitism among other things, a man of integrity, even if I don't agree with your politics.





Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: mtread on 19 February 2019, 09:52:45 pm
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Shamima Begum has UK citizenship 'revoked'
What a dangerous precedent  :eek 

Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 19 February 2019, 10:04:57 pm
 I think it’s simply a matter of law and due process. 



And in fact the government appears already to have contradicted itself, the Home Office have stated -
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“We do not make people stateless.”
If, as it is being reported, that Shamima is unbale to claim citizenship of any other country, then the UK cannot deprive her of her citizenship.


This looks like populist posturing.  A lot of time and money will now be wasted in the courts, only for the government to lose.


It’s also failing in our obligation to the Kurds who have fought tooth and nail to defeat ISIS. 



And wow, people celebrating a brainwashed 19 year old girl being left stateless in Syria with her days old baby.  Great Britain – fuck yeah!


And just as we are starting to push back the extreme Wahhabist Islam funded and promoted in this country by our Saudi allies (whom funded ISIS), the government’s pathetic populist posturing will be a gift to the Saudi trained Iman’s recruiting in the UK for the Wahhabist cause.
 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: mtread on 19 February 2019, 10:11:46 pm
Yeah but it does draw people's attention away from Brexshit  :lol
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: mtread on 19 February 2019, 10:15:21 pm
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What a dangerous precedent 

Presumably during WW2 we could have removed UK citizenship from some of the Royal Family and aristocracy?
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: ogri48 on 19 February 2019, 11:02:48 pm
during ww2 we interred every german living here, to guarantee as much as possible the safety of the indigenous population. During the Iraq war kebab shops in Peterborough were freely advertising for freedom fighters to kill the british infidel. Your liberal left policies and thinking gain ground every year, especially with the middle class young at the universities. Your winning, and have been ever since the left took over the teaching profession. You will get there. This will be a country of apologists and people who despise its history and heritage. Everybody will eventually think like you, that this country belongs to whoever wants to come here, not those whose ancestors fought to protect it for us who believe differently. This country that I know and love will be gone forever. I know that..its inevitable. I just hope its not until im long gone
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 19 February 2019, 11:37:57 pm
FUCK YEAH! :lol
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: mtread on 19 February 2019, 11:44:14 pm
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during ww2 we interred every german living here, to guarantee as much as possible the safety of the indigenous population
You're missing the point. We didn't deport British Nazi sympathisers.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: Decoke Dave on 19 February 2019, 11:58:45 pm

       Justice has been served!  Quite chuffed with Britain at the moment! :) [size=78%]    [/size]
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: tommyardin on 19 February 2019, 11:59:17 pm
I'll sit this one out. Caused enough trouble with my Brexit thread.


Sensible man.
After all you have caused so much shit to be spoken, I will not say by who because I don't want to embarrass VNA lol!  :eek [size=78%]  [/size]
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 19 February 2019, 11:59:38 pm
 
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Your liberal left policies and thinking gain ground every year, especially with the middle class young at the universities.


What the fuck are you on about Ogri?


As I have repeatedly stated this will be about due process and the rule of law.  Though sadly will now take some time, with much money wasted.

It is as simple as that.


As for my opinion.  Sajid Javid is just partaking in shameful populist posturing.   
 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: tommyardin on 20 February 2019, 12:02:38 am
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How do we even begin to fight hatred being bred by family like that?
By slitting their throats?
I think VNA was asking a question not making a suggestion.
 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: tommyardin on 20 February 2019, 12:28:21 am
I guess one thing to remember is that Shamina  was being questioned and making the statements she did whilst still under the watchful eye of the Jihads.
I think if she had said that she now realises her mistakes and that the jihads are wrong and that she now condemns them for their actions and is now remorseful for her own actions, I think she would not have seen the night out in one piece, she was answering the questions in a manner that gave her and her children born or unborn the greatest chance of survival.
Seems to me she is doomed whatever she said, I know that she made her choices and that no one forced her initially to make those choices, but she was only a 15 year old kid.
And no I don't really know what to think, all I do know is that there are innocent children in the equation, possibly the age of some of our Grandchildren.     
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: darrsi on 20 February 2019, 06:59:58 am
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Well finally, a sensible decision by a government body for a change.
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship 'revoked'

I think the truth is that this is what they are trying to do.  I cannot see it standing up in court.  I further suspect this is political populism.  A stunt.  The government is trying to do something it can’t do, and frankly should not be doing, just to play to popular opinion – and you guys are lapping up it, just like you lapped up BREXIT.


Meanwhile the reality is that if the international community reneges on it’s obligations, as quite a number of you here seem to wish, it means that there is a strong possibility the Kurdish forces whom are holding these people will do what they can to can to unofficially return them to their respective countries etc etc  They do not have the resources for trials or to jail them, I don’t think even the finances to deport them (which they would happily do), so I suspect they will move them on one way or another.  These people are not the responsibility of the Kurds.


Our government appears to be happy to let ISIS go free.


"...just to play to popular opinion..."

Bit like winning, or acting on a majority vote you mean? :lol
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: steve 10562cc on 20 February 2019, 07:06:36 am
Still sitting this one, but I'm not sure whether 2 certain members actually believe what they spout or are just very skilled wind-up artists   
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: celticdog on 20 February 2019, 07:32:33 am
I guess one thing to remember is that Shamina  was being questioned and making the statements she did whilst still under the watchful eye of the Jihads.
I think if she had said that she now realises her mistakes and that the jihads are wrong and that she now condemns them for their actions and is now remorseful for her own actions, I think she would not have seen the night out in one piece, she was answering the questions in a manner that gave her and her children born or unborn the greatest chance of survival.
Seems to me she is doomed whatever she said, I know that she made her choices and that no one forced her initially to make those choices, but she was only a 15 year old kid.
And no I don't really know what to think, all I do know is that there are innocent children in the equation, possibly the age of some of our Grandchildren.     

That's a very good point, she was no doubt acting on survival instincts for herself and the child. However, even with the passage of time I very much doubt if she will ever be accepted as British.
Reminds me of an old joke, or put another way, she's made her bed now she's got to lie in it.

An old man walks into a pub, feet shuffling, back bent. He drags himself onto a stool and orders a beer. Putting the glass in front of him, the barman inquires about his sad face. The man answers with a sad and broken voice: “Do you see those boats, out there in the harbour? Those fishing boats on which the prosperity of this town is founded? I built those, with my own two hands. But do they call me Jones the boat builder? No. No they do not. Do you see the the wall over there, that protects our town? I built it, with my own two hands. But do they call me Jones the wall builder? No. No they do not. And the bridge, you know, that crosses the river? I built it, with my own hands! But do they call me the Bridge-maker? And the mill, that grinds our wheat, the mill I built? Do they call me the mill builder? No. No they do not.
But you shag one sheep……..”
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: tommyardin on 20 February 2019, 08:41:47 am
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Well finally, a sensible decision by a government body for a change.
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship 'revoked'

I think the truth is that this is what they are trying to do.  I cannot see it standing up in court.  I further suspect this is political populism.  A stunt.  The government is trying to do something it can’t do, and frankly should not be doing, just to play to popular opinion – and you guys are lapping up it, just like you lapped up BREXIT.


Meanwhile the reality is that if the international community reneges on it’s obligations, as quite a number of you here seem to wish, it means that there is a strong possibility the Kurdish forces whom are holding these people will do what they can to can to unofficially return them to their respective countries etc etc  They do not have the resources for trials or to jail them, I don’t think even the finances to deport them (which they would happily do), so I suspect they will move them on one way or another.  These people are not the responsibility of the Kurds.


Our government appears to be happy to let ISIS go free.



"...just to play to popular opinion..."
Bit like winning, or acting on a majority vote you mean? :lol
:lol
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: ogri48 on 20 February 2019, 10:01:37 am
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Your liberal left policies and thinking gain ground every year, especially with the middle class young at the universities.


What the fuck are you on about Ogri?


As I have repeatedly stated this will be about due process and the rule of law.  Though sadly will now take some time, with much money wasted.

It is as simple as that.


As for my opinion.  Sajid Javid is just partaking in shameful populist posturing.

Just pointing out summat mate..as a mature student at Uni im surrounded by ardent left wing tutors and students every day. Im at the very least definately qualified to make that observation, even if it only has partial relevance to the thread, which it does.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 20 February 2019, 10:34:59 am
I guess we should be happy that our government realised she had dual nationality (by birth) before the Bangladeshis
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: agricola on 20 February 2019, 10:47:23 am
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during ww2 we interred every german living here, to guarantee as much as possible the safety of the indigenous population
You're missing the point. We didn't deport British Nazi sympathisers.


I dont believe that he is. Ive already said that several hundred fighters have been allowed to return here, but we only remove the citizenship from one stupid young woman. Id would have taken it of all of em and stopped them from returning to their lives on benefits here. As theyre already here, them perhaps a camp set up in the Scottish highlands where they can all be kept isolated. Hopefully, many would die of the cold and damp.  :)
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: fazersharp on 20 February 2019, 10:59:08 am

 Ive already said that several hundred fighters have been allowed to return here, but we only remove the citizenship from one stupid young woman. Id would have taken it of all of em and stopped them from returning to their lives on benefits here. As theyre already here, them perhaps a camp set up in the Scottish highlands where they can all be kept isolated. Hopefully, many would die of the cold and damp.  :)
Good idea - what about an island somewhere -------Skytanamobay.  Instead of orange boiler suites we can make them wear kilts, feed them haggis - halal of course (which it probably already is) and have them woken up at the crack o doon by bagpipes.Problem solved as there is no jihadi that would want to come back and face that. 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 20 February 2019, 11:01:01 am

Good idea - what about an island somewhere -------Skytanamobay.  Instead of orange boiler suites we can make them wear kilts, feed them haggis - halal of course (which it probably already is) and have them woken up at the crack o doon by bagpipes.Problem solved as there is no jihadi that would want to come back and face that. 


don't forget the bacon sandwiches
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: fazersharp on 20 February 2019, 11:19:32 am

Good idea - what about an island somewhere -------Skytanamobay.  Instead of orange boiler suites we can make them wear kilts, feed them haggis - halal of course (which it probably already is) and have them woken up at the crack o doon by bagpipes.Problem solved as there is no jihadi that would want to come back and face that. 


don't forget the bacon sandwiches
Now you see I wasn't trying to offend their beliefs as it was even going to be halal haggis but we could house them in any of the whisky factory's that will be closing down after brexit and the 3,000% tariffs  ;)   
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: steve 10562cc on 20 February 2019, 11:42:03 am
What's a good old English bacon sandwich done it was the staple diet of  us older old English working men
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: Grahamm on 20 February 2019, 11:44:54 am
Just for information here is what the Governments Counter Terrorism Strategy document "CONTEST" had to say in 2018:
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Syria returners illustrative example

In 2015, a British woman travels to join Daesh. In 2017 the individual flees Daesh-held territory with a new born baby and they make their way to Turkey. On arrival in Turkey the mother and the child are detained for entering the country illegally.
Following the mother’s detention the British authorities are notified. DNA testing of the child is conducted to establish their entitlement to a British passport. Given that the mother has lived in Daesh-held territory, the Home Secretary and a judge approve the use of a Temporary Exclusion Order (TEO) to manage her return to the UK. The TEO allows us to specify the route of return to the UK and to impose obligations upon the individual once they return to help protect members of the public from a risk of terrorism.
The mother and her child are subsequently deported to the UK from Turkey via the route specified by the TEO. On arrival in the UK the police launch an investigation into the woman’s activities in Syria to determine whether any crimes have been committed. If there is evidence that a crime has been committed then the mother will be charged and the Crown Prosecution Service will conduct criminal proceedings. If there is no evidence of criminality, the mother is assisted in reintegrating into society, for example, by requiring her to attend a series of sessions with a specially trained de-radicalisation mentor. In the meantime the mother is also obliged – as part of her TEO – to report regularly to a police station and to notify the Home Office of any change of address. The local authority is involved to ensure that the child is not at immediate risk and appropriate measures are put in place to help safeguard the child’s welfare.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/counter-terrorism-strategy-contest-2018 (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/counter-terrorism-strategy-contest-2018)
Nothing there about stripping people of citizenship because of some political posturing...
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: slappy on 20 February 2019, 01:08:07 pm
during ww2 we interred every german living here, to guarantee as much as possible the safety of the indigenous population. During the Iraq war kebab shops in Peterborough were freely advertising for freedom fighters to kill the british infidel. Your liberal left policies and thinking gain ground every year, especially with the middle class young at the universities. Your winning, and have been ever since the left took over the teaching profession. You will get there. This will be a country of apologists and people who despise its history and heritage. Everybody will eventually think like you, that this country belongs to whoever wants to come here, not those whose ancestors fought to protect it for us who believe differently. This country that I know and love will be gone forever. I know that..its inevitable. I just hope its not until im long gone


I always find it puzzling that so many legal and illegal immigrants still want to come to the UK, with some paying a lot of money to people smugglers, when according to all these left wing tossers  we are all racist, xenophobic fascists and the country is going to the dogs because of Brexit. Why do they want to come here instead of France , Germany etc?


Weird isn't it ?
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: fazersharp on 20 February 2019, 01:15:11 pm
VNA I thought that you did not like Tommy Robbo and yet you support his views
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: celticdog on 20 February 2019, 02:04:36 pm

Good idea - what about an island somewhere -------Skytanamobay.  Instead of orange boiler suites we can make them wear kilts, feed them haggis - halal of course (which it probably already is) and have them woken up at the crack o doon by bagpipes.Problem solved as there is no jihadi that would want to come back and face that. 

don't forget the bacon sandwiches


I'm liking the sound of this place Gents, I'd definitely book a fortnight there with the family during Glasgow Fair (2nd 2 weeks in July).
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 20 February 2019, 09:43:27 pm
 
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Just pointing out summat mate..as a mature student at Uni im surrounded by ardent left wing tutors and students every day.
Good to hear!   :) :) :)
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Justice has been served!  Quite chuffed with Britain at the moment! :) [
Decoke how can justice be served without a trial. Is Sajid Javid now judge and Jury?
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Your winning, and have been ever since the left took over the teaching profession. You will get there.
Winning what Ogri?  Is a belief in real justice, as opposed to summary justice or the rule of the mob somehow wrong?   There has been a political movement that has taken over teaching – really?
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Everybody will eventually think like you, that this country belongs to whoever wants to come here, not those whose ancestors fought to protect it for us who believe differently.
It’s interesting isn’t it.  Shamima Begum who left the UK as a brainwashed 15 year old girl can have her citizenship revoked.  But say you Ogri left the UK and did something bad – I make some presumptions here – but because like me you are white and your parents and grandparents were born here Sajid Javid couldn’t take your citizenship away.  It is your birth right.


So that’s one issue, and that is if you are an immigrant or a first generation descendant of an immigrant you are a second class citizen in this country.  And yeah Windrush – lets be honest, put the two together and what have you got………………….Tory racism.


Sajid Javid, is, as I understand it, saying that as Shamima’s mother is from Bangladesh, Shamima can claim citizenship there.  From what I understand (at this time) she has never had Bangladeshi citizenship and has never been there.


But the message from Sajid Javid to Shamima – is go home.  I think that is a message that will be heard loud and clear right across our ethnic minority communities.


And what does it say of Great Britain's attitude to the rest of the world?  What about our commitment to Syria (I know what a joke when we have already helped lay waste to it).  What about the Kurdish fighters who fought tooth and nail to defeat ISIS who hold Shamima and a great many others – they are asking for the international communities to take their people back.  And what message are we sending to Bangladesh – as I really don’t know.


In playing the populist card Sajid Javid is undermining race realtions in this country and not only that but making the UK look like a cunt among nations.


What an absolute utter disgrace.
 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: fazersharp on 20 February 2019, 09:59:33 pm
And all this coming from VNA who supports some of Tommy Robbo's views
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: celticdog on 20 February 2019, 10:09:31 pm
It's all academic now, she'll be let back in fairly soon.
I expect we'll see her on Good Morning Britain talking to Peers Morgan six months down the line.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: tommyardin on 21 February 2019, 12:35:20 am
darrsi like it 'boom boom'


Is it twins then
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: darrsi on 21 February 2019, 06:35:15 am
It's all academic now, she'll be let back in fairly soon.
I expect we'll see her on Good Morning Britain talking to Peers Morgan six months down the line.


I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here  :lol
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: slappy on 21 February 2019, 09:12:12 am
It's all academic now, she'll be let back in fairly soon.
I expect we'll see her on Good Morning Britain talking to Peers Morgan six months down the line.


I'm A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here  :lol


 :rollin :rollin
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: steve 10562cc on 21 February 2019, 01:24:26 pm
Yep she's destined for good old blighty. legal aid, benefits, a house, and the cost of the security services and police keeping a eye on her. She will be a million pound tax burden on the good old tax payers
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: ogri48 on 21 February 2019, 02:44:49 pm
we all knew it would happen, regardless of what side of the fence you sat. And you know what? We deserve it, and her.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: darrsi on 21 February 2019, 04:33:34 pm
Something that still puzzles me, apparently if you have a kid abroad then that child remains British by descent if their parents are British.
If they happen to stay there then if that kid has a kid then it doesn't carry down another generation, it would become a national of that particular country.

This girl was born here, but her parents are Bangladeshi, so I don't get how Bangladesh can refuse her?
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: mtread on 21 February 2019, 05:05:04 pm
Under the Bangladeshi "blood line" law, Bangladeshi nationality and citizenship lapse when a person reaches the age of 21, unless they make active efforts to retain it.
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[/size]She's now 19, so unless she herself actively persues it, it won't apply.[/color]
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[/size]So Javid will be making her stateless. Against international law. [/color]
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: BBROWN1664 on 21 February 2019, 06:02:05 pm
Under the Bangladeshi "blood line" law, Bangladeshi nationality and citizenship lapse when a person reaches the age of 21, unless they make active efforts to retain it.
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[/size]She's now 19, so unless she herself actively persues it, it won't apply.[/color]
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[/size]So Javid will be making her stateless. Against international law. [/color]

No, she is able to get the Bangladeshi passport if she applies so Javid has not made her stateless. If Bangladesh now refuse then its BAngladesh that will be making here stateless. If she leaves it too long and misses her 21st birthday cut-off, she has done it herself.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: fazersharp on 21 February 2019, 06:37:50 pm
She will be a million pound tax burden on the good old tax payers
Nah I know how it can be sorted for £130k and a cup of coffee  ;)
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 February 2019, 07:01:23 pm
 From what is being reported she has never been to Bangladesh.  She was born in the UK.  She grew up in the UK.  She is, like it or not, British.  She is a British citizen.   She is not a Bangladeshi citizen.


Making a person stateless is against international law.


Javid is trying to make her stateless knowing full well that what is is doing is not legal.  He will lose this.


It is political posturing.  Trumpism.  Don’t be taken in.

 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: dazza on 21 February 2019, 07:17:41 pm

Making a person stateless is against international law.


So  is joining a terrorist organisation, blowing innocent women and children up in Manchester, beheading unbelievers, throwing homosexuals off of buildings and grooming and raping  1300 underage children in Rotherham.
If you're that outraged about her treatment, offer to put her up in your house.
You can let her invite all her delightful clan into your home and spend the evenings spouting your left wing, traitorous spiel all night long.  :D

Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 February 2019, 07:37:46 pm
 
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If you're that outraged about her treatment, offer to put her up in your house.
I expect the law of the land to be upheld.  And I do believe it will. 



At the end of the day I cannot see how Sajid Javid can legally do what he is doing.  I am pretty sure that this will be overturned, and why – dead simple because that’s the law.


And try to see it from the Kurdish and Syrian point of view.  To them Shamima is a foreign national who has supported ISIS whom have wreaked absolute hell and havoc in their country.


Finally, if numerous countries around the globe do not accept responsibility for their citizens in Syria, well, they won’t rot in hell, but will most likely be recycled into the jihadi cause only to pop up elsewhere. 



The UK must accept it’s responsibility. 
 
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Post by: dazza on 21 February 2019, 07:54:12 pm
Ok....let me explain it with a diagram
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 February 2019, 07:58:46 pm
Of course I forget that you are in favour of mob rule Dazza.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: steve 10562cc on 21 February 2019, 08:10:58 pm
Nothing to do with mob rule VNA think it's more to do with protecting our kids and grand kids. But I think you are right she is a British citizen and as such has the right to return here and can't be made stateless. The laws the law and if we choose who we apply it too we will all be losers, and no I don't want her back but if she has the right to return then like it or not she must be allowed to and put before the courts.       
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 February 2019, 09:13:15 pm
 
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Nothing to do with mob rule VNA think it's more to do with protecting our kids and grand kids. But I think you are right she is a British citizen and as such has the right to return here and can't be made stateless. The laws the law and if we choose who we apply it too we will all be losers, and no I don't want her back but if she has the right to return then like it or not she must be allowed to and put before the courts.       
Absolutely agree with you Steve.


Though in terms of protecting our youth it puzzles me that nobody is concerned about Saudi and our other ME allies.  Saudi sells us shit loads of oil, we also happen to sell them a shit load of arms which they have recently used extensively and indiscriminately in Yemen.  But most worrying of all if you follow the cash it was Saudi along with certain other ME allies that funded ISIS.


The other issue is this so called ‘radicalisation’ that is occurring in some of our Muslim communities.  We have sat back and allowed the Saudi’s to spread their sick disgusting Wahhabist murderous ideology  around the globe.  They have spent a small, sorry a large fortune right across Europe building mosques and installing their own Saudi Wahhabist Iman’s in them.


So really, I don’t give a shit about Shamina Begum, she’s just a stupid young woman taken in by Saudi funded ideology that we have happily financed and encouraged.


I don't understand why people arn't angry about that.

 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: dazza on 21 February 2019, 09:22:22 pm
So Fazersharp was right. You really do agree with Tommy Robinson as he is as outraged as you about the Saudis and Establishments involvement in the radicalisation of Britain.
Well done, you've come round and seen sense.  :)
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: fazersharp on 21 February 2019, 09:38:51 pm
Though in terms of protecting our youth it puzzles me that nobody is concerned about Saudi and our other ME allies.  Saudi sells us shit loads of oil, we also happen to sell them a shit load of arms which they have recently used extensively and indiscriminately in Yemen.  But most worrying of all if you follow the cash it was Saudi along with certain other ME allies that funded ISIS.
The other issue is this so called ‘radicalisation’ that is occurring in some of our Muslim communities.  We have sat back and allowed the Saudi’s to spread their sick disgusting Wahhabist murderous ideology  around the globe.  They have spent a small, sorry a large fortune right across Europe building mosques and installing their own Saudi Wahhabist Iman’s in them.
So really, I don’t give a shit about Shamina Begum, she’s just a stupid young woman taken in by Saudi funded ideology that we have happily financed and encouraged.
I don't understand why people arn't angry about that.

Many would agree with you and so does Tommy Robbo. Be careful not to choke on your socialist champagne.  :pokefun
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFwNeEl55WkTry#) 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 February 2019, 09:41:20 pm
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I agree with you and so does Tommy Robbo
Tommy who?
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: Decoke Dave on 21 February 2019, 09:45:41 pm

Making a person stateless is against international law.


So  is joining a terrorist organisation, blowing innocent women and children up in Manchester, beheading unbelievers, throwing homosexuals off of buildings and grooming and raping  1300 underage children in Rotherham.
If you're that outraged about her treatment, offer to put her up in your house.
You can let her invite all her delightful clan into your home and spend the evenings spouting your left wing, traitorous spiel all night long.  :D
.......... A bit harsh I think!.........HELL NO.    FUCK IT!    :D  I COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!  And so do dozens of people  where I work!   P.S.  Five own Fazer owners working here  ;) !
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: ogri48 on 21 February 2019, 09:52:25 pm
Nothing to do with mob rule VNA think it's more to do with protecting our kids and grand kids. But I think you are right she is a British citizen and as such has the right to return here and can't be made stateless. The laws the law and if we choose who we apply it too we will all be losers, and no I don't want her back but if she has the right to return then like it or not she must be allowed to and put before the courts.     

that is the sad truth of it fellers. VNAs right, its the law, not his personal opinion. We need the law changing, without a doubt, but until it does (and realistically it wont) the law is the law, no matter how much it sticks in yours(and mines) craw.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 21 February 2019, 10:03:22 pm
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We need the law changing
The is correct.  And it's international law.
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it's more to do with protecting our kids and grand kids
Forget Shamina Begum, she's a nobody.  Get a grip!  She'll come back to the UK, she will be detained, questioned and if she has committed crimes she will be put on trial.
The threat comes from the Saudi state that we suck up to.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: dazza on 21 February 2019, 10:24:22 pm
The threat comes from the Saudi state that we suck up to.


That's the second time tonight.
You really should get to know Tommy a bit better.
You'll get on like a house on fire with your identical views on the Saudis.  :D
Are you going to Manchester to watch him expose Panorama ?
Bet you are, you're starting to sound like you've been well converted.  :lol
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: Frosties on 21 February 2019, 11:06:01 pm
We could let her back in then follow Sharia law and stone her to death for Rebellion against her parents as they keep insisting :lol
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: fazersharp on 21 February 2019, 11:30:21 pm
fascist, white supremacist, racist, xenophobic, little focing cnut (fazersharp changed the wording here )

 
 These are all the words that VNA has used to describe Tommy -R and yet he agrees with him.
Me - I have never said I agree with anything he does or says but VNA clearly agrees with him.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: darrsi on 22 February 2019, 06:45:40 am
Now she's started to beg and plead to be let back over here, no doubt heavily coerced by her racist and shameless defence liar.


Does make you wonder how many people she's literally seen beg and plead for their lives before being slaughtered?


Anyway, back to my drone idea......
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: slappy on 22 February 2019, 08:01:40 am
fascist, white supremacist, racist, xenophobic, little focing cnut (fazersharp changed the wording here )

 
 These are all the words that VNA has used to describe Tommy -R and yet he agrees with him.
Me - I have never said I agree with anything he does or says but VNA clearly agrees with him.


Thats because the far right and the far left are both the same, if you are not in total agreement with them then they just insult you with a lot of words ending in " ism "  or " phobia ".
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: Flooky on 22 February 2019, 08:33:34 am
I think we don't need her back, thanks all the same
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: Flooky on 22 February 2019, 08:36:10 am
 I would leave her in Syria, we are full up of nutters and freeloaders.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: mtread on 22 February 2019, 10:35:18 am
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So  is joining a terrorist organisation, blowing innocent women and children up in Manchester, beheading unbelievers, throwing homosexuals off of buildings and grooming and raping  1300 underage children in Rotherham.
But that's the point. She 'joined' but didn't commit any of those acts. Blimey, there are plenty on here who have joined the Fazer Owners Club, but own foc all Fazers  :)
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: mtread on 22 February 2019, 10:39:58 am
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No, she is able to get the Bangladeshi passport if she applies so Javid has not made her stateless. If Bangladesh now refuse then its BAngladesh that will be making here stateless. If she leaves it too long and misses her 21st birthday cut-off, she has done it herself.
But yes he will. She doesn't have Bangladeshi citizenship and Bangladesh can't give her it to her.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: darrsi on 22 February 2019, 11:05:27 am
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So  is joining a terrorist organisation, blowing innocent women and children up in Manchester, beheading unbelievers, throwing homosexuals off of buildings and grooming and raping  1300 underage children in Rotherham.
But that's the point. She 'joined' but didn't commit any of those acts. Blimey, there are plenty on here who have joined the Fazer Owners Club, but own foc all Fazers  :)

So what you're saying then is as long as she never pulled the trigger, pressed the button or used the blade then it's absolutely fine deliberately being part of a terrorist unit?  :rolleyes
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: darrsi on 22 February 2019, 11:06:26 am
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No, she is able to get the Bangladeshi passport if she applies so Javid has not made her stateless. If Bangladesh now refuse then its BAngladesh that will be making here stateless. If she leaves it too long and misses her 21st birthday cut-off, she has done it herself.
But yes he will. She doesn't have Bangladeshi citizenship and Bangladesh can't give her it to her.

Can't.....or won't.....because they're not stupid?
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: agricola on 22 February 2019, 11:12:04 am
fascist, white supremacist, racist, xenophobic, little focing cnut (fazersharp changed the wording here )

 
 These are all the words that VNA has used to describe Tommy -R and yet he agrees with him.
Me - I have never said I agree with anything he does or says but VNA clearly agrees with him.


Thats because the far right and the far left are both the same, if you are not in total agreement with them then they just insult you with a lot of words ending in " ism "  or " phobia ".





Well said that man :thumbup
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: agricola on 22 February 2019, 11:16:16 am
I pose the question: Should a foreign national come over here, commit/support a terrorist action, and be captured, would said individual stand trial here or in the country of their nationality. I assume that individual would stand trial here, so how come the woman c9oncerned cannot stand trial in the location of her alleged criminal activity?
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: slappy on 22 February 2019, 12:13:46 pm
She is now saying she is " willing to change" if she gets to keep British  citizenship. In other words she is still a supportet of Isis and their terrorist beliefs at this time.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: darrsi on 22 February 2019, 01:44:13 pm
Now it’s being reported that the jihadist son of that piece of shit Abu Hamza is begging to come back here as well.
But at least with him he can’t be left stateless, as Morocco can legally take him.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: mtread on 22 February 2019, 01:55:39 pm
Supposing a Bangladeshi citizen who had never been to the UK but had a British mother, had joined IS and was currently in Syria. Would you be happy to let them in? No thought not  :rolleyes
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: dazza on 22 February 2019, 02:03:22 pm
Mtread, its quite simple really.
Would you want them moving in next door to you ?
 And everyone is going to know if you're lying because there is only one answer for a sane human being to make.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: mtread on 22 February 2019, 02:49:56 pm
Wouldn't bother me. The constant police presence would bring me burglary rate down to zero :)
Now answer my question. No on second thoughts don't bother. I already know the answer.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: slappy on 22 February 2019, 02:59:30 pm
What life was really like for poor old Shamima  :)


https://youtu.be/fKL9b5-DL4A
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 February 2019, 05:49:57 pm
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I pose the question: Should a foreign national come over here, commit/support a terrorist action, and be captured, would said individual stand trial here or in the country of their nationality. I assume that individual would stand trial here, so how come the woman c9oncerned cannot stand trial in the location of her alleged criminal activity?
Already covered that - see reply #12
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 February 2019, 06:00:36 pm
 
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These are all the words that VNA has used to describe Tommy -R and yet he agrees with him.
 Me - I have never said I agree with anything he does or says but VNA clearly agrees with him.

Let me be clear.  Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon is a convicted criminal.  He has convictions for assault, false identity, fraud and contempt of court.  He is a known football hooligan and racist. 



I have zero interest in him and his views.  He is scum.


His only interest quite frankly is himself.  He is a narcissist and one that appears to have psychopathic tendencies.   
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 22 February 2019, 06:11:52 pm
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These are all the words that VNA has used to describe Tommy -R and yet he agrees with him.
 Me - I have never said I agree with anything he does or says but VNA clearly agrees with him.

Let me be clear.  Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon is a convicted criminal.  He has convictions for assault, false identity, fraud and contempt of court.  He is a known football hooligan and racist. 



I have zero interest in him and his views.  He is scum.


His only interest quite frankly is himself.  He is a narcissist and one that appears to have psychopathic tendencies.   
 
And yet you agree with him
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 February 2019, 06:37:43 pm
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And yet you agree with him
I am not in any shape or forum in agreement with Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon, nor will I ever be.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: steve 10562cc on 22 February 2019, 07:50:11 pm
VNA your views appear just as unpleasant to quite a few of us as his are to most of us,  but from the other side of the coin. 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 February 2019, 08:27:31 pm
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VNA your views appear just as unpleasant to quite a few of us as his are to most of us,  but from the other side of the coin. 
Firstly, on such matters it is best to speak for yourself.  Let others decide what their view is.


I understand that most people express their political views online looking for agreement and approval.  I further understand that some people have difficulty in accepting that others may not agree with them.  That others may not share their view.
 
As for drawing some sort of parallel between my views and those of SCLY.  Well surprise surprise I don’t agree with you Steve.
 
I have no criminal convictions.  I am not violent.  I am neither a thug nor a thief.  Nor am I racist or a bigot. 



To suggest I am in some way as unpleasant as SCYL is a wee bit beyond the pale Steve.
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 22 February 2019, 08:44:08 pm
This is the parallel between your views and those of SCLY. I found it when I googled what you had said before.
Though in terms of protecting our youth it puzzles me that nobody is concerned about Saudi and our other ME allies.  Saudi sells us shit loads of oil, we also happen to sell them a shit load of arms which they have recently used extensively and indiscriminately in Yemen.  But most worrying of all if you follow the cash it was Saudi along with certain other ME allies that funded ISIS.
The other issue is this so called ‘radicalisation’ that is occurring in some of our Muslim communities.  We have sat back and allowed the Saudi’s to spread their sick disgusting Wahhabist murderous ideology  around the globe.  They have spent a small, sorry a large fortune right across Europe building mosques and installing their own Saudi Wahhabist Iman’s in them.
So really, I don’t give a shit about Shamina Begum, she’s just a stupid young woman taken in by Saudi funded ideology that we have happily financed and encouraged.
I don't understand why people arn't angry about that.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFwNeEl55WkYou#) need to get yourself a whisky - no water - one piece of ice, prepare yourself with a virtue signalling sick bucket if you must, and view the vid because its mirrors pretty much what you have said. 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 February 2019, 08:57:56 pm
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need to get yourself a whisky - no water - one piece of ice, prepare yourself with a virtue signalling sick bucket if you must, and view the vid because its mirrors pretty much what you have said. 
Please refer to reply #137
Thank-you.
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Post by: slappy on 22 February 2019, 09:21:19 pm
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VNA your views appear just as unpleasant to quite a few of us as his are to most of us,  but from the other side of the coin. 
Firstly, on such matters it is best to speak for yourself.  Let others decide what their view is.





We do have our own view but you keep trying to infer we are stupid , misled, racist , fascists because we have a view that you do not agree with.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 February 2019, 09:50:55 pm
 
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We do have our own view but you keep trying to infer we are stupid, misled, racist , fascists because we have a view that you do not agree with.
I’m not in the business of calling people racist, fascist or whatever etc etc.  However, I will call out what I consider to be unreasonable views.  And, umm, we do actually have people openly and repeatedly promoting a little fascist fuck called  SCYL right here on this forum.


It’s also a sign that one has lost the argument when one begins to attack the individual.  Rather than address the substance Slappy you are complaining that I am being unreasonable in not agreeing with you.


So with that in thought, can we all agree, that once again, I am correct, this time with respect to Shamima, put this thread to bed, and get back to talking bikes. ;)
 
 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: fazersharp on 22 February 2019, 10:35:46 pm
   And, umm, we do actually have people openly and repeatedly promoting a little fascist fuck called  SCYL right here on this forum.
No one is promoting him. Anyone who reads what you said and then sees the vid will see that what you have said and what the "little fascist fuck" says are almost identical.
The only putting to bed should be VNA - go on get a torch and watch it under the covers - no one will know.
How is it that the far right and the extreme left can share the same views yet one is racist and the other is not. Either they both are or they are both not.
 Or are they schrodinger's racists. 
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 22 February 2019, 10:45:42 pm
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No one is promoting him.
You just posted one of his silly little videos.
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Post by: mtread on 22 February 2019, 11:29:27 pm
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How is it that the far right and the extreme left can share the same views yet one is racist and the other is not.
I don't understand this bit. Who is extreme left?
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Post by: dazza on 22 February 2019, 11:51:23 pm
 :rollin :rollin  And there was me thinking you was partially educated.  :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 February 2019, 12:13:21 am
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I don't understand this bit. Who is extreme left?
Indeed.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: dazza on 23 February 2019, 12:16:41 am
And, umm, we do actually have people openly and repeatedly promoting a little fascist fuck called  SCYL right here on this forum


Let's just get things very clear VNA.
This is everything that TR is standing up against.
You can bury your head in the sand or stand up and be counted.
I have no shame in supporting anyone who is willing to stand up against this.
Take a good long look in the mirror and ask yourself what you stand up against.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=138907830470578&id=100030540856121 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=138907830470578&id=100030540856121)
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: mtread on 23 February 2019, 12:45:06 am
I stand up against terrorists, rapists and evil states..... whatever their religion.
It seems SYL and his friends are a little more fussy as to who they criticise,  and who they don't.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: darrsi on 23 February 2019, 01:09:34 am
I stand up against terrorists, rapists and evil states..... whatever their religion.
It seems SYL and his friends are a little more fussy as to who they criticise,  and who they don't.


The young lady in question is more than likely a potential terrorist....to make a point.
I cannot and will not trust her.
I couldn't give a monkeys about her age, she's a wrong'un!
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: dazza on 23 February 2019, 01:15:36 am
I stand up against terrorists, rapists and evil states..... whatever their religion.
It seems SYL and his friends are a little more fussy as to who they criticise,  and who they don't.


And it seems for a very good reason unless you choose to ignore facts.


Just take a look at the statistics of the ethnicity of grooming gangs and then dig a little deeper.


These are facts, not  predudice or fantasy.


You as a left wing liberal can deny and refuse to discuss the truth all day long but believe me ..... It's only a matter of time before everyone will be aware of the truth.


Let's see where you stand then.
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Post by: Val on 23 February 2019, 01:27:23 am
Why are you bringing up windrush - this has nothing to do with it.
Convincing.
Point us to one white guy deported to Sunderland for smoking weed then  :lol
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: slappy on 23 February 2019, 09:35:57 am
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We do have our own view but you keep trying to infer we are stupid, misled, racist , fascists because we have a view that you do not agree with.



So with that in thought, can we all agree, that once again, I am correct, this time with respect to Shamima, put this thread to bed, and get back to talking bikes. ;)


And there you have it, the" I am right and you are wrong so shut up"  argument of the political zealots the world over.
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Post by: mtread on 23 February 2019, 03:46:08 pm
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Just take a look at the statistics of the ethnicity of grooming gangs and then dig a little deeper.
And as I have already pointed out, you like SYL,  choose to turn a blind eye to the prosecuted groomers, child rapists and sex offenders that are EDL,  BNP members and supporters of SYL.
It's called being anti-Islamic, which is apparently OK, unlike anti-semitism.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 February 2019, 06:38:24 pm
 
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And there you have it, the" I am right and you are wrong so shut up"  argument of the political zealots the world over.

Slappy, your view is that you are unhappy that I do not share your view.  That is not an argument.


The facts are that it is illegal to make somebody stateless.  Sajid Javid has decided that he can trump the law, and has made Shamima stateless.  I strongly suspect that he will have to back down.  The reason that he is doing this is to play to an audience. 



The Kurdish fighters who have played a huge part in defeating ISIS currently hold thousands of foreign fighters in Syria.  It is against their Muslim religion and ideology to harm captured enemy fighters, but they do not have the structure or means to deliver justice.  Syria after all has been laid to waste.  Kurdish officials have stated;
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We cannot bear this responsibility alone. We ask the international community and the countries to which Isis members belong to take up its moral and legal duty and repatriate their citizens back to their countries.
Unfortunately, life is not black and white.  Sometimes doing the right thing stinks.  That means taking our citizens back.  If they have committed crimes then they should be tried and jailed. 



If we fail in our responsibility then the reality is that these fighters may be recycled and ISIS or some other form of Wahhabist terrorist force may remerge elsewhere, or these people will return to the UK and other countries under the radar.


So yeah I’m putting forward a strong argument.  But apparently my thinking things through and coming to a considered opinion, rather than just ranting ‘let her rot in hell’ is unpleasant.  And that seems to be about the best you can do.
 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 February 2019, 07:07:54 pm
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And it seems for a very good reason unless you choose to ignore facts.
 
 
Just take a look at the statistics of the ethnicity of grooming gangs and then dig a little deeper.
 
 
These are facts, not  predudice or fantasy.
 
 
You as a left wing liberal can deny and refuse to discuss the truth all day long but believe me ..... It's only a matter of time before everyone will be aware of the truth.
 
 
Let's see where you stand then.

You may have seen on the news recently the conclusion of the trial in relation to the rape and murder of a 6-year-old child on Bute.  The ferry to the idyllic island of Bute is just a few miles up the road from me.  There is a small Syrian refugee community on the island.  Not long after the shocking news broke of this most horrific crime social media was buzzing with rumours and open accusations pointing the finger at Bute’s small Syrian community.  SCYL supporter Katie Hopkins was prominent in pointing the finger, without a shred of evidence, at Bute’s Syrians.  She also stated, again without a shred of evidence, that a recent rise in sexual offenses was all down the Syrians on Bute.  Next thing there’s a twitter storm and those innocent families found themselves living in fear.
Guess what the Syrians had nothing whatsoever to do with the shocking murder of Aleshia.
And guess what again, the statistics that Katie Hopkins referred to in relation to sexual offenses in Argyle and Bute were for the period before the Syrians were settled on Bute.
It’s called racism Dazza.  And racists like Katie Hopkins and SCYL are absolute utter scum.
 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: agricola on 23 February 2019, 07:35:26 pm
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I pose the question: Should a foreign national come over here, commit/support a terrorist action, and be captured, would said individual stand trial here or in the country of their nationality. I assume that individual would stand trial here, so how come the woman c9oncerned cannot stand trial in the location of her alleged criminal activity?
Already covered that - see reply #12


Nope, no 12 did nt answer the question. I understand that the Kurds may be struggling for resources, but the Kurds dont have or belong to a state as such do they. There is no Kurdia, so ill guess they dont have the authority or legislation in place to try anyone. Come to think of it, wasnt it too long ago that the Kurds were considered terrorists by the various states in which they resided? It reminds a little of my old, on one of the very few occasions he talked about his national service. He served in the middle east in the aftermath of WW2, and i recall him telling me that the arabs were your friends one day, the next they were shooting at you, even the ones we were trying help. He found them unreliable, untrustworthy, and excitable, and if you had something they wanted, they would slit your throat for it.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: slappy on 23 February 2019, 07:38:41 pm
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And there you have it, the" I am right and you are wrong so shut up"  argument of the political zealots the world over.

Slappy, your view is that you are unhappy that I do not share your view.  That is not an argument.



Absolute bollocks, I am very happy that  a person like you does not share my view,.
You are nothing more than a political zealot who trolls this forum preaching your spite and bile at anyone who does not share your view..


And by the way, in blaming the " Saudis "  as a whole for  financing Isis is  not only racist but Islamophobic as I am sure there are a great many Saudi people who are totally innocent of any kind of involvement.


Seems like dazza is totally correct, you and  this SYL bloke are the same, you just won"t admit it.
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Post by: fazersharp on 23 February 2019, 08:24:15 pm
Slappy what you have to realise is that you have to go beyond liberal you have to go past left -- keep going - do not stop at far left, you are not there yet, go around communist- what you are dealing with is a Marxist     
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 February 2019, 08:29:33 pm
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Nope, no 12 did nt answer the question. I understand that the Kurds may be struggling for resources, but the Kurds dont have or belong to a state as such do they. There is no Kurdia, so ill guess they dont have the authority or legislation in place to try anyone. Come to think of it, wasnt it too long ago that the Kurds were considered terrorists by the various states in which they resided? It reminds a little of my old, on one of the very few occasions he talked about his national service. He served in the middle east in the aftermath of WW2, and i recall him telling me that the arabs were your friends one day, the next they were shooting at you, even the ones we were trying help. He found them unreliable, untrustworthy, and excitable, and if you had something they wanted, they would slit your throat for it.
 
Aye the Kurds have been time and time again betrayed by the UK and others.  Yes 'we' tried to help the Arabs by stealing their oil, drawing up borders to suit our own imperialistic ambitions, killing and gassing those who resisted and making whole ethnicities stateless. 
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 February 2019, 08:33:02 pm
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Absolute bollocks, I am very happy that  a person like you does not share my view,.
You are nothing more than a political zealot who trolls this forum preaching your spite and bile at anyone who does not share your view..
Attack me all you want.  I know it's all you can do.
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Post by: fazersharp on 23 February 2019, 08:45:44 pm
Yes the Kurds helped BUT they are not really fighting against isis but they are fighting for their own ends and the US are happy to supply them - which upsets Turkey. But its the Russians who have done the most to clear out isis from Syria.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 February 2019, 09:07:55 pm
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But its the Russians who have done the most to clear out isis from Syria.

 Perhaps.  The Russians backed Assad. 

We backed the Free Syrian and others, including many Islamic fundamentalists. 

Another superpower proxy war of which ISIS funded by the Saudi's and others took full advantage.


Result – estimated 400,000 dead.  Estimated 5 million displaced. 
13.5 million requiring Syrians requiring humanitarian aid.
A country laid to waste. 



 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 23 February 2019, 09:29:33 pm
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But its the Russians who have done the most to clear out isis from Syria.
Or to be more accurate they provided lethal and often indesciminate air support to Assad's forces, whom of course the Kurds oppose.
But no, the Russians never had boots on the ground.  So no they didn't.


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Post by: mtread on 24 February 2019, 02:44:44 am
Back on subject, I've had an interesting thought.


Savid Javid has set a dangerous but important precedent. If a UK born person, who is eligible through birth line,  but hasn't applied for nationality of another country, and they have committed an act of supporting a terrorist organisation, he can withdraw their UK citizenship on the basis that they can apply for nationality of the other country, even if they don't choose to.


Now it's a fact that anybody born on the island of Ireland, including Northern Ireland, or in fact with just one grandparent born there, can apply for Republic of Ireland citizenship and get a passport.
So when is he going to withdraw Arlene Foster's British Citizenship?  :)
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Post by: darrsi on 24 February 2019, 09:15:12 am
Back on subject, I've had an interesting thought.


Savid Javid has set a dangerous but important precedent. If a UK born person, who is eligible through birth line,  but hasn't applied for nationality of another country, and they have committed an act of supporting a terrorist organisation, he can withdraw their UK citizenship on the basis that they can apply for nationality of the other country, even if they don't choose to.


Now it's a fact that anybody born on the island of Ireland, including Northern Ireland, or in fact with just one grandparent born there, can apply for Republic of Ireland citizenship and get a passport.
So when is he going to withdraw Arlene Foster's British Citizenship?  :)


For what reason, she was born in Ireland and lives in Ireland!
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Post by: mtread on 24 February 2019, 02:08:15 pm
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For what reason, she was born in Ireland and lives in Ireland!
You haven't understood my post.
She was born in Northern Ireland (part of the UK) but qualifies for a Republic of Ireland passport. I doubt though she has applied for one  :)
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Post by: unfazed on 24 February 2019, 03:05:08 pm
You would be surprised as to how many of Arlene Fosters party have applied for Irish Passports  :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 24 February 2019, 03:21:41 pm
If it's Arlene or Sammy, that would be priceless  :lol
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Post by: fazersharp on 24 February 2019, 06:16:53 pm
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But its the Russians who have done the most to clear out isis from Syria.
Or to be more accurate they provided lethal and often indesciminate air support to Assad's forces, whom of course the Kurds oppose.
But no, the Russians never had boots on the ground.  So no they didn't.
Wrong - as usual, the Russians are supporting Assad. As for boots on the ground you are naive if you think the Americans, Russia, we do not have them there. 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 24 February 2019, 06:36:32 pm
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Wrong - as usual, the Russians are supporting Assad.
Yes that's what I stated.
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As for boots on the ground you are naive if you think the Americans, Russia, we do not have them there. 
There may have been some discreet advisors, but that would be about it.
Either the Americans or Russians putting boots on the ground could risk a major global escalation.
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Post by: fazersharp on 24 February 2019, 06:57:20 pm
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Wrong - as usual, the Russians are supporting Assad.
Yes that's what I stated.Yes you did --- my mistake
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As for boots on the ground you are naive if you think the Americans, Russia, we do not have them there. 
There may have been some discreet advisors, but that would be about it.
Either the Americans or Russians putting boots on the ground could risk a major global escalation.

Im sure that the sas are in there directing airstrikes to jihadi jon -et-al
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 24 February 2019, 07:07:34 pm
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Im sure that the sas are in there directing airstrikes to jihadi jon -et-al
Looks like you are correct on that.  Presumably the USA and Russia have come to some sort of agreement to go after their common enemy ISIS.But I can't see either side risking boots on the ground.
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Post by: dazza on 25 February 2019, 06:18:46 pm
VNA....mtread.....You don't have to watch this. You can carry on believing the shit you're being fed.  :D


Anyone else who is interested in the truth and what's really being portrayed as factual by the BBC.


Watch and enjoy....This is golden.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=981991885334107&id=381971441938916
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Post by: mtread on 25 February 2019, 08:00:06 pm
Welcome back Dazza. Missed you. How was your break in Salford?  :lol
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Post by: dazza on 25 February 2019, 11:09:56 pm
Welcome back Dazza. Missed you. How was your break in Salford?  :lol


Didn't go in the end.
Heard on the news it was going to be full of racists........Oh, hang on a minute.  :D
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Post by: mtread on 25 February 2019, 11:39:28 pm
 :lol



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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 25 February 2019, 11:56:40 pm
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And here's to Tommy bringing down the BBC.
I'd fucking love to see that. Although I suspect there's going to be more foul play along the way.  Still, whatever happens, can't wait for them to be exposed.
The little racist thugs name is Stephen.
And what?  Still waiting.
 
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Post by: dazza on 26 February 2019, 01:01:57 am
 :lol That statement right there VNA.
Was going to say ignorance is bliss but there's nothing blissful about your state of mind.
You seem to be very uptight again.
It must be embarrassing knowing you've been taken in by all the fake News over the years and worst of all, continually repeated all the far Left and MSM bullshit on here.
If I were you now, I would go for damage limitation and admit that you were wrong in the hope that we may forgive you for your ignorance.
Who knows, we may even think you're a better man for it. :D
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Post by: dazza on 26 February 2019, 01:06:31 am
But I doubt it. :rollin :rollin :rollin
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Post by: mtread on 26 February 2019, 09:30:55 am
Apparently it was a complete Panodrama  :)
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Post by: dazza on 26 February 2019, 10:51:37 am
Interesting. So The BBC blatantly working with an extreme far left organisation and threatening and intimidating ex employees to make false allegations to fit their own agenda.
Not to mention the clipping of actual conversations with the intent to manufacture a sexual assault allegation against an innocent man is not proof that the supposed unbiased BBC is actually full of shit and an unreliable source of news.
Well, what a surprise.
You both truly are that blinded by your own hatred and self righteousness you should get a job as journalists.
I know a corporation that you would fit right in.
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Post by: mtread on 26 February 2019, 01:37:12 pm
OK Dazza, send me a link to his Facebook page so I can check it out  ;)
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Post by: dazza on 26 February 2019, 02:02:34 pm
Just click the link on #177
You can also find it on YouTube if your paranoid about visiting his page....Well, you of all people should know we're all being monitored.


Seriously though, whatever your opinion of TR or Stephen Laxley Lennon, it's certainly a revealing and damning expose of the the underhand techniques being used to portray someone as something they're not.


Some people are too far gone to accept anything other that what they want (VNA) but I had you down as more intelligent than that. :D




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNd2bvLvyk4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNd2bvLvyk4)





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Post by: mtread on 26 February 2019, 02:10:09 pm
Strangely enough his Facebook and Instagram pages seem to have disappeared.
Another dammed left wing plot :(






 :lol
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Post by: dazza on 26 February 2019, 02:24:12 pm
Of course it has. It was only a matter of time.
A corporation as powerful as the BBC/ Establishment have got the powers of the state at their disposal.


Unfortunately for them, it will only make the message louder.
It's like banning a record they don't like the lyrics of, it's a sure fire way to make it rocket to no.1


The fact they are trying their best to silence him now will make people stop and take note.



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Post by: mtread on 26 February 2019, 02:37:37 pm
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The fact they are trying their best to silence him now will make people stop and take note.

And the rest of us will have to forgo the enjoyment...

Here are the reasons Facebook deleted his pages. They contained :
a post calling Muslims "filthy scum bags"

a post urging people to terrorise and behead those who follow the Koran
a post urging people to "make war" on Muslims
multiple videos depicting individuals being bullied
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Post by: dazza on 26 February 2019, 03:16:03 pm
 :lol  Yeah right. Of course that's the reason.
You sure they wasn't talking about John Sweeney. :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 26 February 2019, 03:19:41 pm
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You sure they wasn't talking about John Sweeney.
Apparently not...
So, did SYL make those posts?
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Post by: fazersharp on 26 February 2019, 03:32:20 pm
Its there and working on Dazza's post #188
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Post by: dazza on 26 February 2019, 03:34:05 pm
All I can say is, I've never seen or heard him ever saying or writing anything like that.
That's not to say some fukwit hasn't said it on his page.
I don't know, but if it is, its the comment and individual saying it that should be deleted.
You can't be that blind or naive to realise that the timing of this is a little too convenient for the BBC for it to be the real reason.
Have you watched the documentary yet ?
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Post by: fazersharp on 26 February 2019, 03:37:43 pm
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You sure they wasn't talking about John Sweeney.
Apparently not...
So, did SYL make those posts?
I would not be surprised if it was hope not fake that posted stuff with the intention of getting it pulled.
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Post by: mtread on 26 February 2019, 03:57:13 pm
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I would not be surprised if it was hope not fake that posted stuff with the intention of getting it pulled.
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That's not to say some fukwit hasn't said it on his page.

A big boy did it and ran away :)
Yeah yeah. It's all a big conspiracy to shut the fucker up :rolleyes
So that's no Facebook, no Instagram and no PayPal, and of course he's still awaiting retrial for contempt of court.
Let's hope he disappears up his own orifice and that's the last we hear of him.
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Post by: dazza on 26 February 2019, 04:01:59 pm
O.k. I'll always admit it when I'm wrong.


You're not that intelligent after all. :lol
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Post by: mtread on 26 February 2019, 04:25:42 pm

 :lol

But I am allowed on Facebook :)


Hang on a minute. There's a problem. Tony Robinson says 'where the foc has my Facebook page gone?'
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Post by: dazza on 26 February 2019, 04:31:00 pm
That's right, it's only the truth that gets banned.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 February 2019, 09:47:39 pm
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Strangely enough his Facebook and Instagram pages seem to have disappeared.

He's still on youtube :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0iJAEEiiO0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0iJAEEiiO0)
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 26 February 2019, 09:57:16 pm
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Seriously though, whatever your opinion of TR or Stephen Laxley Lennon, it's certainly a revealing and damning expose of the the underhand techniques being used to portray someone as something they're not.
 
 
 Some people are too far gone to accept anything other that what they want (VNA) but I had you down as more intelligent than that.

So, so called Tommy Robinson, a man who doesn’t even operate under his own name.  A man, a known football hooligan, with multiple convictions for assault, traveling under false papers, fraud and contempt of court and not to mention has further legal action pending.  A man who is a known racist, a drug user, has lead an organisation that has promoted fascism, racism and violence which just so happened to be riddled with paedophiles, is the man you tell us that is going to show us the truth.
Really!? 
 
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Post by: dazza on 26 February 2019, 10:02:39 pm
So does that mean you're not ready to apologise yet ?
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Post by: mtread on 26 February 2019, 10:17:58 pm
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He's still on youtube

But they've stopped paying him any advertising revenue.
Not sure what adverts he was associated with....... I'm guessing it wasn't the local Asian curry house  :)
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Post by: darrsi on 27 February 2019, 09:29:07 pm
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Seriously though, whatever your opinion of TR or Stephen Laxley Lennon, it's certainly a revealing and damning expose of the the underhand techniques being used to portray someone as something they're not.
 
 
 Some people are too far gone to accept anything other that what they want (VNA) but I had you down as more intelligent than that.

So, so called Tommy Robinson, a man who doesn’t even operate under his own name.  A man, a known football hooligan, with multiple convictions for assault, traveling under false papers, fraud and contempt of court and not to mention has further legal action pending.  A man who is a known racist, a drug user, has lead an organisation that has promoted fascism, racism and violence which just so happened to be riddled with paedophiles, is the man you tell us that is going to show us the truth.
Really!?


Sounds like Corbyn you're describing  :lol
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Post by: mtread on 27 February 2019, 09:33:11 pm
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Sounds like Corbyn you're describing 

Joke?  :rolleyes
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 27 February 2019, 09:44:33 pm
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Sounds like Corbyn you're describing  ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/lol.gif[/url])

Who is this Corbyn?  I only know Jeremy Corbyn the Labour leader.
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Post by: darrsi on 27 February 2019, 10:41:02 pm
 :lol

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Post by: mtread on 28 February 2019, 09:54:24 am
We can all post silly photoshops....
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Post by: darrsi on 28 February 2019, 01:23:21 pm
We can all post silly photoshops....


Fine by me, i don’t like any of them.  :lol
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Post by: steve 10562cc on 28 February 2019, 03:35:26 pm
Yeah but darrsi has a ring of the truth about it. 
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Post by: dazza on 28 February 2019, 03:46:07 pm
Well, if you're talking about "ring of truth"  :D

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Post by: b1k3rdude on 03 March 2019, 10:54:59 am
Isnt this a bit off-topic for even the general section of a motorcycle centric forum..?
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 03 March 2019, 11:07:49 am
Yes
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Post by: vinnyb on 08 March 2019, 10:35:20 pm
 Problem solved, no reason to come back now. :rolleyes
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Post by: Frosties on 08 March 2019, 11:38:23 pm
Problem solved, no reason to come back now. :rolleyes


I agree -3 in a row ! No reason whatsoever...
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Post by: mtread on 08 March 2019, 11:51:52 pm
Hmm. Innocent British citizen dies abroad due to home secretary's illegal ruling, and nobody gives a fuck. Welcome to Hostile Britain
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Post by: vinnyb on 08 March 2019, 11:55:50 pm
sorry. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: fazersharp on 09 March 2019, 12:17:43 am
Hmm. Innocent British citizen dies abroad due to home secretary's illegal ruling, and nobody gives a fuck. Welcome to Hostile Britain
Yes you would just love that wouldn't you. Have you ever thought that the reason for it could well of been to garner the response that you so readily give without questioning any other motive.
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Post by: mtread on 09 March 2019, 12:21:20 am
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Yes you would just love that wouldn't you. Have you ever thought that the reason for it could well of been to garner the response that you so readily give without questioning any other motive.
Sorry I genuinely haven't a clue what you are on about? Are we actually celebrating the death of a child?
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Post by: fazersharp on 09 March 2019, 12:41:01 am
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Yes you would just love that wouldn't you. Have you ever thought that the reason for it could well of been to garner the response that you so readily give without questioning any other motive.
Sorry I genuinely haven't a clue what you are on about? Are we actually celebrating the death of a child?
I am saying that it would not surprise me if it was IS that are behind it, do you not put it past them ? you think for one second they would not blink at the opportunity ? They are well versed in propaganda which is one of the reasons she was lured out there in the first place. And your reaction is exactly what they are hoping for.
 
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Hmm. Innocent British citizen dies abroad due to home secretary's illegal ruling, and nobody gives a fuck. Welcome to Hostile Britain
You should watch that your jerking knee does not knock over your champagne or kir royal
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Post by: dazza on 09 March 2019, 01:07:59 am
Just out of interest, did anyone actually see her child ?
Because all I ever saw was her holding a bundle of rags.
If indeed a child was ever in there, she would of suffocated it weeks ago.
As said before mtread and VNA, if you feel that strongly about it and are that offended and outraged, go change your tampons, open your doors and invite all the traitorous fuckers into your homes. :D
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Post by: darrsi on 09 March 2019, 06:51:06 am
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Seriously though, whatever your opinion of TR or Stephen Laxley Lennon, it's certainly a revealing and damning expose of the the underhand techniques being used to portray someone as something they're not.
 
 
 Some people are too far gone to accept anything other that what they want (VNA) but I had you down as more intelligent than that.

So, so called Tommy Robinson, a man who doesn’t even operate under his own name.  A man, a known football hooligan, with multiple convictions for assault, traveling under false papers, fraud and contempt of court and not to mention has further legal action pending.  A man who is a known racist, a drug user, has lead an organisation that has promoted fascism, racism and violence which just so happened to be riddled with paedophiles, is the man you tell us that is going to show us the truth.
Really!?


"....so called Tommy Robinson, a man who doesn't even operate under his own name...."


Says VNA....... :rollin
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Post by: slappy on 09 March 2019, 08:33:22 am
Hang on a minute, how did the child die in the camp?  Wasn't it reported last week that she had left the camp and was in hiding due to other " jihadist brides"  threatening to kill her ?
Or was that just a publicity stunt to try for more misplaced sympaphy ?
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Post by: mtread on 09 March 2019, 10:10:43 am
Of course all the conspiracy theories coming out now. There never was a child, IS killed it etc etc.
Well it's quite clear from today's reports it died of pneumonia.
And yes I'm quite happy to drink champagne thank you, rather than the bile some are clearly consuming  :lol
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 March 2019, 11:56:49 am
 
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I am saying that it would not surprise me if it was IS that are behind it, do you not put it past them ? you think for one second they would not blink at the opportunity ? They are well versed in propaganda which is one of the reasons she was lured out there in the first place. And your reaction is exactly what they are hoping for.


 
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Just out of interest, did anyone actually see her child ?
Because all I ever saw was her holding a bundle of rags.
If indeed a child was ever in there, she would of suffocated it weeks ago.

From https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47500387 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47500387) ;
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The baby son of Shamima Begum - who fled London to join the Islamic State group - has died, a spokesman for the Syrian Democratic Forces has said.
 
The group, which runs the camp where the teenager has been living, confirmed the death on Friday.
The baby died of pneumonia, according to a medical certificate. He was less than three weeks old.
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A paramedic working for the Kurdish Red Crescent in the camp told the BBC that the baby, called Jarrah, had been suffering from breathing difficulties.
He was taken to a doctor on Thursday morning before being transferred to hospital, along with his mother, but died at 13:30 local time that day, the medical worker added.
Ms Begum has since returned to the camp and her child was buried there yesterday.
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"Children should not suffer, so if a parent does lose their British citizenship it does not affect the rights of their child."
Sajid Javid
That’s about as twisted a statement as you are ever likely to see.
 
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 09 March 2019, 12:02:08 pm
Of course all the conspiracy theories coming out now. There never was a child, IS killed it etc etc.
Well it's quite clear from today's reports it died of pneumonia.
No conspiracy here - that is just another tactic that goes in the book just under racist. I question everything and everyone. Good for you that you believe the reports you are told if it makes you happy.Wasn't there a queue of journalists waiting outside her tent to interview her- strange there were no reports of the baby being ill which if were true surely that would of been jumped on by her supporters and used.And that is another point - no one has seen a baby - only a pile of rags - not even a face seen.Wasn't she first interviewed whilst supposedly pregnant.
This does not smell right.   
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 March 2019, 12:19:14 pm
 Jesus Fucking Christ Fazersharp.  Sometimes you really are just a wee bit thick. :lol


 
The death has been confirmed by the Democratic Syrian Forces who run the camp.
It has further been confirmed by the Kurdish Red Crescent.
The UK government have issued a statement.
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 09 March 2019, 12:20:54 pm
Jesus Fucking Christ Fazersharp.  Sometimes you really are just a wee bit thick. :lol


 
The death has been confirmed by the Democratic Syrian Forces who run the camp.
It has further been confirmed by the Kurdish Red Crescent.
The UK government have issued a statement.
 
"A Baby" - she was never even pregnant.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 March 2019, 12:21:18 pm
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Clearly Shamima Begum holds abhorrent views and to want to join Islamic State is beyond all comprehension, but she was a child, a product of our society.
 
I think we had a moral responsibility to her and indeed to her baby. That is why at the time I was just troubled by the decision. It seemed driven by a sort of populism, not any principle I recognise.
Conservative MP Phillip Lee
 
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 March 2019, 12:23:37 pm
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The camps have been overwhelmed as more and more flee the last remaining areas of Isis. More than 62,000 are now living in al-Hol camp, surpassing its capacity and leaving thousands sleeping out in the cold.
 
It has also been announced that 100 people have died over the past two months on their way to the camp or shortly after arriving, two thirds being babies and infants.
 
Aid groups have been sounding the alarm over conditions in the camp for weeks. The International Rescue Committee (IRC), which operates at al-Hol, said it was now at “breaking point”.
 
“We have seen a staggering number of children die on the journey to al-Hol camp due to a combination of malnutrition and hypothermia,” said Misty Buswell, the IRC’s Middle East advocacy director. “There is now an urgent need for thousands more family tents to get to al-Hol to help shelter the latest arrivals as well as increased funding to support the health crisis unfolding at the camp.”
 
Many of those arriving at the camp are in extremely poor health, the IRC added. There have been hundreds of cases of malnutrition and diarrhoea, including 364 infants under the age of five.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/shamima-begum-baby-death-son-isis-syria-lawyer-court-a8814091.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/shamima-begum-baby-death-son-isis-syria-lawyer-court-a8814091.html)
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Post by: slappy on 09 March 2019, 12:52:10 pm
The only person to blame is herself, she went to Syria,  had three children with her Isis terrorist husband , all who have died, has no regrets or remorse.
Pointing the finger at  other people is just political point scoring, achieves nothing and just shows once again that there are a lot of tossers out there that think it is perfectly alright to not take responsibity for your own actions and choices in life.
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Post by: mtread on 09 March 2019, 12:53:15 pm
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"A Baby" - she was never even pregnant.
Fazersharp - go and have a lie down...... now  :rolleyes
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Post by: mtread on 09 March 2019, 12:56:03 pm
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The only person to blame is herself, she went to Syria,  had three children with her Isis terrorist husband , all who have died, has no regrets or remorse.Pointing the finger at  other people is just political point scoring, achieves nothing and just shows once again that there are a lot of tossers out there that think it is perfectly alright to not take responsibity for your own actions and choices in life.

The only person not to blame is the child. Which could have lived, had the right thing been done.
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Post by: slappy on 09 March 2019, 01:02:25 pm
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The only person to blame is herself, she went to Syria,  had three children with her Isis terrorist husband , all who have died, has no regrets or remorse.Pointing the finger at  other people is just political point scoring, achieves nothing and just shows once again that there are a lot of tossers out there that think it is perfectly alright to not take responsibity for your own actions and choices in life.

The only person not to blame is the child. Which could have lived, had the right thing been done.



After two children had already died she got pregnant again, no  thoughts of what might happen to a third child.

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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 March 2019, 01:07:05 pm
 Let’s face it Sajid Javid let that baby child, a British citizen, die.  All because he wanted to appeal to popular sentiment.  Shame on him. 
 
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Post by: Frosties on 09 March 2019, 01:18:08 pm
Let’s face it Sajid Javid let that baby child, a British citizen, die.  All because he wanted to appeal to popular sentiment.  Shame on him.


Err, the baby's mother let that child die - assuming she hadn't claimed another ISIS fighter's dead baby was hers.


You can't be using the British Citizen route again. The British Citizen mother decided "bollocks to all British Citizen - they all deserve to die".


Maybe we should be defining the moral values a British Citizen should hold.
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Post by: mtread on 09 March 2019, 01:20:15 pm
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After two children had already died she got pregnant again, no  thoughts of what might happen to a third child.
Hmm, I strongly suspect your 19th century British ancestors faced exactly the same problem. Lucky for you one survived.
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Post by: mtread on 09 March 2019, 01:25:01 pm
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assuming she hadn't claimed another ISIS fighter's dead baby was hers.
Dear o dear. A few weeks ago when all this started she was seen on television as visibly pregnant. Or was that just a cushion stuffed up her hijab?
Honestly, why not just rewrite the truth to support your own opinion
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Post by: slappy on 09 March 2019, 04:13:24 pm
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After two children had already died she got pregnant again, no  thoughts of what might happen to a third child.
Hmm, I strongly suspect your 19th century British ancestors faced exactly the same problem. Lucky for you one survived.


Exactly, the values  Isis and too many other muslims hold dear belong in the 19th century and earlier.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 March 2019, 04:43:48 pm
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Exactly, the values  Isis and too many other muslims hold dear belong in the 19th century and earlier.
But the British state considers Saudi Arabia, the spiritual home of Wahhabist Islam (ISIS idealology), and one of the main funders of ISIS, as our close allies.  They are our friends.
 
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Post by: fazersharp on 09 March 2019, 05:14:19 pm
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Exactly, the values  Isis and too many other muslims hold dear belong in the 19th century and earlier.
But the British state considers Saudi Arabia, the spiritual home of Wahhabist Islam (ISIS idealology), and one of the main funders of ISIS, as our close allies.  They are our friends.
 
There you go again quoting your mate SYL 
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Post by: mtread on 09 March 2019, 05:15:47 pm
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Exactly, the values  Isis and too many other muslims hold dear belong in the 19th century and earlier.
I think you're missing my point
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Post by: Dudeofrude on 09 March 2019, 05:34:17 pm
As far as I'm aware the child had permission to be brought back to the UK at any time and be taken care of by her family, but she refused to let it go without her. While as a parent I somewhat understand that, I also think that if my baby was gravely ill and could be saved then I would take that option regardless.
Its a horrible scenario all round but I do think she is responsible for the death her child.
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Post by: ogri48 on 09 March 2019, 06:33:15 pm
So, she chose to go and abet killing british men and women. She chose to get pregnant and have a kid, not once but three times. She chose to try and use her child and publicity as some sort of leverage to try and get back. And its Sajid javids fault?  Seriously?
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Post by: mtread on 09 March 2019, 06:48:18 pm
Yes
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Post by: ogri48 on 09 March 2019, 07:44:36 pm
of course it is. god forbid people should be held accountable for their own actions huh
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 09 March 2019, 09:47:03 pm
Or lack of them.
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Post by: dazza on 10 March 2019, 01:29:06 am
Ogri, this is the mindset of the left wing liberal traitors appeasers.
They are blinded by MSM propagander and will never blame the actual perpetrator.
They are the reason that right wing extremism is growing. They are too blinded to be able to see this.
The day they are willing to sit down and listen instead of throwing blame and labels around is the day that the real issues that affect us all will be able to be talked about and solved.


Simply denying that there is a problem, does not resolve the problem but makes it worse.
It always amazes me that these people think they are educated but cannot see beyond their own limited mindset.


It's also got to be said that although I don't agree with them, I defend their right to express their own opinion.
That's what makes us a free and democratic society......Oh.... Hang on a minute, it's a pity they don't practice what they pretend to preach.




Is this Great Britain or North Korea ?
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: mtread on 10 March 2019, 02:26:22 am
Dazza - now it's your turn to have a lie down. Just chill  :)
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Post by: ogri48 on 10 March 2019, 11:32:19 am
Ogri, this is the mindset of the left wing liberal traitors appeasers.
They are blinded by MSM propagander and will never blame the actual perpetrator.
They are the reason that right wing extremism is growing. They are too blinded to be able to see this.
The day they are willing to sit down and listen instead of throwing blame and labels around is the day that the real issues that affect us all will be able to be talked about and solved.


Simply denying that there is a problem, does not resolve the problem but makes it worse.
It always amazes me that these people think they are educated but cannot see beyond their own limited mindset.


It's also got to be said that although I don't agree with them, I defend their right to express their own opinion.
That's what makes us a free and democratic society......Oh.... Hang on a minute, it's a pity they don't practice what they pretend to preach.




Is this Great Britain or North Korea ?
:thumbup spot on dazza
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Post by: slappy on 10 March 2019, 11:50:05 am
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Exactly, the values  Isis and too many other muslims hold dear belong in the 19th century and earlier.
I think you're missing my point


I get the point you are trying to make but  my ancestors were not terrorists,.
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Post by: mtread on 10 March 2019, 12:48:28 pm
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I get the point you are trying to make but  my ancestors were not terrorists,.
Nope, you're still missing it. Have another go.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 March 2019, 05:38:40 pm
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Quote<blockquote> I get the point you are trying to make but  my ancestors were not terrorists,.</blockquote>Nope, you're still missing it. Have another go.
Whilst Slappy is missing the point, I can’t help but comment on his answer.


I am making a slight presumption.  But have you never heard of the British Empire Slappy?  And in more recent times our wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.  Syria became effectively a proxy war in which we are involved. 



I have asked many times on this forum, who are the real terrorists?
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 March 2019, 05:42:04 pm
 
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:thumbup spot on dazza

Naw Ogri.  Read Dazza's post again.  It’s a kind of Donald Trump style rant.  It’s words joined together that actually don’t say anything.  It’s may sound good, until you look closely and realise that there is no substance or meaning.
 
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Post by: dazza on 10 March 2019, 06:16:46 pm
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:thumbup spot on dazza

Naw Ogri.  Read Dazza's post again.  It’s a kind of Donald Trump style rant.  It’s words joined together that actually don’t say anything.  It’s may sound good, until you look closely and realise that there is no substance or meaning.
Ogri, this is the mindset of the left wing liberal traitors appeasers.

The day they are willing to sit down and listen instead of throwing blame and labels around is the day that the real issues that affect us all will be able to be talked about and solved

It always amazes me that these people think they are educated but cannot see beyond their own limited mindset.



Yep,  your response pretty much sums up what I said. :D



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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 March 2019, 06:25:50 pm
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Yep,  your response pretty much sums up what I said. ([url]http://foc-u.co.uk/Smileys/efocicon/cheesy.gif[/url])

Let me show you Dazza,
U just change a few words about and we get,





 Ogri, this is the mindset of the right wing traitors appeasers.
They are blinded by MSM propagander and will never blame the actual perpetrator.
They are the reason that Marxism is growing. They are too blinded to be able to see this.
The day they are willing to sit down and listen instead of throwing blame and labels around is the day that the real issues that affect us all will be able to be talked about and solved.
 
 
Simply denying that there is a problem, does not resolve the problem but makes it worse.
It always amazes me that these people think they are educated but cannot see beyond their own limited mindset.
 
 
It's also got to be said that although I don't agree with them, I defend their right to express their own opinion.
That's what makes us a free and democratic society......Oh.... Hang on a minute, it's a pity they don't practice what they pretend to preach.
 
 
 
 
Is this Great Britain or North Korea ?
 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 March 2019, 06:26:21 pm
Which is why it is meaningless piffle
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Post by: dazza on 10 March 2019, 06:34:09 pm
 :lol  You're an idiot.
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Post by: mtread on 10 March 2019, 07:15:40 pm
No dignified self governing state should abandon responsibility for its own citizens in this way, trying to dump them on to poorer countries with failed security arrangements. Javid's behaviour is a recipe for refugee chaos and is moral cowardice of the worst sort.
Not my words, but the words of the former Director of Public Prosecutions
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Post by: slappy on 10 March 2019, 07:18:18 pm
:lol  You're an idiot.




Go to agree with that, VNA would have preferred that instead of there being a British Empire another country had managed it.  Maybe Germany, France, Portugal , Spain, Russia, or even the Arab muslims  had continued up through Spain all the way to Britain.


You keep posting this:
[size=0px]I have asked many times on this forum, who are the real terrorists?[/size][size=0px]
You know the correct answer, you just won't admit it. We keep trying to help you come to terms  with the fact that you are in denial about the true answer but you need some professional help.

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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 March 2019, 07:30:20 pm
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No dignified self governing state should abandon responsibility for its own citizens in this way, trying to dump them on to poorer countries with failed security arrangements. Javid's behaviour is a recipe for refugee chaos and is moral cowardice of the worst sort.
Not my words, but the words of the former Director of Public Prosecutions
Absolutely 100% agree.

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Post by: dazza on 10 March 2019, 07:55:30 pm
Absolutely 100% agree.


 :rolleyes Oh stop it you two.
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Post by: mtread on 10 March 2019, 08:06:02 pm
I always wondered what they wear under their yellow vests  :)
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Post by: slappy on 10 March 2019, 08:15:28 pm
Absolutely 100% agree.


 :rolleyes Oh stop you two.


Bloody hell Dazza, you could warn people first,. If there was ever a requirement for a male hijab those two would be first.

Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: ogri48 on 10 March 2019, 08:25:45 pm
No dignified self governing state should abandon responsibility for its own citizens in this way, trying to dump them on to poorer countries with failed security arrangements. Javid's behaviour is a recipe for refugee chaos and is moral cowardice of the worst sort.
Not my words, but the words of the former Director of Public Prosecutions

So, without any of the playground stuff, explain to me (please) two things.
A home secretarys prime responsibility is to keep people here safe, is it not? Would not letting a jihadi bride waltz back into the country compromise that?
Secondly, when I posted my "xenophobic rant" ,about jodies murder, turns out (surprise surprise) the suspect was exactly who I thought it would be(racist that I am huh) A Croatian, somebody who has witnessed terrible things in his home country, and brought that with him here. And a young girl is dead. You are so against capital punishment in case an innocent man (albeit one who has been tried by a jury) gets put to death, but seem to have no such reservations about risking innocents here by allowing in anybody and everybody. Im not looking for anything, other than your justification and reasons. Just a straight answer dude, thats all
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Post by: mtread on 10 March 2019, 08:35:07 pm
OK in simple terms with just a few facts
1. No it wouldn't. She would be likely to be prosecuted for joining a prescribed organisation, and even if not would be constantly monitored. It's the ones you don't know about who are the risk.
2. It's immaterial where the killer came from. He will be too young to have witnessed the Yugoslav wars, and anyway most of the atrocities were in Bosnia, against Muslims. Anyway there is no correlation between capital punishment and the right to life of victims. Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 March 2019, 09:08:19 pm
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A home secretarys prime responsibility is to keep people here safe, is it not? Would not letting a jihadi bride waltz back into the country compromise that?
I agree with mtread.

 So a question for you Ogri.  Who do you think is, or should be, legally responsible for people like Shamima Begum?
 
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Post by: ogri48 on 10 March 2019, 10:02:24 pm
Herself. She turned her back on this country, so as far as I see it, she made herself stateless.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 March 2019, 10:08:59 pm
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Herself. She turned her back on this country, so as far as I see it, she made herself stateless.
That's not answering the question Ogri.
I'll try again;
Who do you think is, or should be, legally responsible for people like Shamima Begum?  Or if you like, what country should take responsibility for her.
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Post by: mtread on 10 March 2019, 10:16:49 pm
You cannot make yourself stateless. A state grants citizenship to you, not the other way round.
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Post by: Frosties on 10 March 2019, 10:20:10 pm
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Herself. She turned her back on this country, so as far as I see it, she made herself stateless.
That's not answering the question Ogri.
I'll try again;
Who do you think is, or should be, legally responsible for people like Shamima Begum?  Or if you like, what country should take responsibility for her.


Ogri is correct - legally everyone is responsible for their own actions, but it's yet again a personal "interpretation" of the "legally responsible" wording which you love to peck at like a Budgie.


In your interpretation the responsibility in the case of the alleged child is Mr Javid........ FFS!! In the case of the Police it is not their legal responsibility to be allowed anything....


So why don't you try again with defining in simple terms your "interpretation" of "legally responsible" - then have the courtesy to allow others to express their "interpretation" without ripping answers to pieces with petty and/or useless responses without offering solutions.
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Post by: mtread on 10 March 2019, 10:30:54 pm
No he isn't correct. Yes everyone is responsible for their own actions, but they're not responsible for their own citizenship, legally. How come you don't get it?
The baby was a separate person, and innocent of any actions. The UK owes a legal duty to protect its citizens abroad.


All those are facts of law. 'Interpret' that they are not if you like.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 10 March 2019, 10:55:47 pm
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Ogri is correct - legally everyone is responsible for their own actions, but it's yet again a personal "interpretation" of the "legally responsible" wording which you love to peck at like a Budgie.
No he is not.  Of which country, for example, and bearing in mind that in law it is not legal to make a person stateless, is Shamima Begum a citizen of?
There is in reality only one answer.

It's not a matter of whether you like it or not, it's a simple point of law. 
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Post by: Frosties on 10 March 2019, 11:53:06 pm
Sums you 2 up..............






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Post by: darrsi on 11 March 2019, 05:44:00 am
I always wondered what they wear under their yellow vests  :)


When they're dressed up.

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Post by: darrsi on 11 March 2019, 05:47:06 am
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A home secretarys prime responsibility is to keep people here safe, is it not? Would not letting a jihadi bride waltz back into the country compromise that?
I agree with mtread.

 So a question for you Ogri.  Who do you think is, or should be, legally responsible for people like Shamima Begum?


The Tower Of London! And i don't mean Hamlets.
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Post by: agricola on 11 March 2019, 10:01:44 am
OK in simple terms with just a few facts
1. No it wouldn't. She would be likely to be prosecuted for joining a prescribed organisation, and even if not would be constantly monitored. It's the ones you don't know about who are the risk.
2. It's immaterial where the killer came from. He will be too young to have witnessed the Yugoslav wars, and anyway most of the atrocities were in Bosnia, against Muslims. Anyway there is no correlation between capital punishment and the right to life of victims. Two wrongs don't make a right.


Another one to add to the ever growing bill then, already 6,000 on the "watch" list, constantly being monitored, no doubt not working and being paid by the state for being a burden. Likely cost of these burdens with no useful contribution to make to society apart from bitterness and harm is likely to be hundreds of millions a year. The politics of a madhouse.
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Post by: ogri48 on 11 March 2019, 10:48:19 am
depressing but true mate. When did we turn into such a nation of self harmers and self haters?
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Post by: mtread on 11 March 2019, 11:13:35 am
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Another one to add to the ever growing bill then, already 6,000 on the "watch" list, constantly being monitored, no doubt not working and being paid by the state for being a burden. Likely cost of these burdens with no useful contribution to make to society apart from bitterness and harm is likely to be hundreds of millions a year. The politics of a madhouse.
Yes unfortunately true, but it helps keep us safe.  Most of which are British born nationals, and many are on the extreme right. Terrorists are terrorists, whatever their motivation.

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Post by: steve 10562cc on 11 March 2019, 12:44:26 pm
What would keep us safe is not to let Terrorist, returning home grown terrorist, and convicted foreign criminals into the country. British nationals or not. 
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Post by: agricola on 11 March 2019, 01:05:20 pm
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Another one to add to the ever growing bill then, already 6,000 on the "watch" list, constantly being monitored, no doubt not working and being paid by the state for being a burden. Likely cost of these burdens with no useful contribution to make to society apart from bitterness and harm is likely to be hundreds of millions a year. The politics of a madhouse.
Yes unfortunately true, but it helps keep us safe.  Most of which are British born nationals, and many are on the extreme right. Terrorists are terrorists, whatever their motivation.


But its also a drain on our resources, money I would rather see spent on many of the other better causes and problems ailing our society than on these twisted individuals. I could not argue should the Home Secretary choose to remove the British citizenship from all those individuals who chose to support IS. If, as VNA suggests, they are acting and supported by the Saudi regime, then there should be no problem finding them a new place to live. And good foccing riddance
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Post by: mtread on 11 March 2019, 01:24:52 pm
But it's a fact that the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by UK nationals who have never left the country.
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Post by: slappy on 11 March 2019, 03:50:45 pm
But it's a fact that the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by UK nationals who have never left the country.


And its a fact the vast majority, and the worst ones, have been committed by people identifying as supporters of Islam.
There is a rise in far right terrorism as well and  both  types of terrorism will continue to rise because no politicians have the guts to say enough is enough.
All those on the watch list from any group are costing tax payers in the UK a fortune, it takes 12 officers to monitor one person full time.  Obviously they can only monitor a small amount  of people properly at any one time as there are only so many officers to do it, so the last we need is terrorists or their supporters coming back here, we do not have the resources to monitor them properly, and many other countries are having the same problem.
The terrorists might not be winning by acts of violence but in a financial sense they are.
The less of them we have to monitor means resources can be directed towards those whom are regarded as highest risk.

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Post by: agricola on 11 March 2019, 06:08:06 pm
But it's a fact that the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by UK nationals who have never left the country.


That may or may not be the case, but it has no bearing on my statement, which is solely and simply regarding those who have made their way to a war zone, been trained in various methods of killing/torture/rape etc against anyone who is not of their cause. Their return would cause significant strain upon already stretched resources, with the ultimate risk of perpetrators slipping of the radar and acting against the nation and its citizens.


Those already here require a different solution
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Post by: ogri48 on 11 March 2019, 08:06:48 pm
But it's a fact that the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by UK nationals who have never left the country.


That may or may not be the case, but it has no bearing on my statement, which is solely and simply regarding those who have made their way to a war zone, been trained in various methods of killing/torture/rape etc against anyone who is not of their cause. Their return would cause significant strain upon already stretched resources, with the ultimate risk of perpetrators slipping of the radar and acting against the nation and its citizens.


Those already here require a different solution
well said. It gets exhausting, doesn't it. no matter what atrocity, indignity and hurt is heaped onto our homeland or our citizens, according to the supercilious insults from those coddled in their liberal opinions on their moral high ground, somehow we are always to blame. Shamina Begum made a choice, one that so many other refugees all over the world didn't have. Watching people like Diane Abbott playing the blame game with that poor babies death, and try to make political capital out of it is equally galling.The left say bring her back to face justice, when we all know (including them) she wont have to, just as hundreds of others who have returned havnt. The blame for this infants death lies squarely with isis and the misbegotten path his parents took, not with us, or the governments. but then that doesnt suit the ideology of those who hate both this country, and those of us who love it.
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 March 2019, 08:29:57 pm
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Shamina Begum made a choice, one that so many other refugees all over the world didn't have.
Shamina Begum is not a refugee. 
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 March 2019, 08:35:09 pm
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Another one to add to the ever growing bill then, already 6,000 on the "watch" list, constantly being monitored, no doubt not working and being paid by the state for being a burden. Likely cost of these burdens with no useful contribution to make to society apart from bitterness and harm is likely to be hundreds of millions a year. The politics of a madhouse.
It's the price the UK has to pay for it's continuing imperialism.  We have, at the end of the day, brought this on ourselves.  And just thank your lucky stars you ain't Afghan, Iarqi or Libyan.  All countries the UK has helped destroy in recent years.  100,000 upon 100,000's of people killed and millions upon millions displaced.
You might just want to open your eyes a little.
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Post by: ogri48 on 11 March 2019, 09:11:18 pm
I agree to a certain point. Blairs warmongering and subsequent profiteering altered things forever, and started chains of events that will have consequences forever. That he never got prosecuted for war crimes is a genuine stain on our nation, and something we should be ashamed of. But I don't think that ordinary people should continue to pay the price for decisions that madman made. We should do whatever it takes to keep society here safe for our children. 
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Post by: fazersharp on 11 March 2019, 09:31:39 pm
It's the price the UK has to pay for it's continuing imperialism.  We have, at the end of the day, brought this on ourselves.
You make it sound like we are the only country who has had its citizens travel to the "caliphate "  As of December 2015, approximately 30,000 fighters from at least 85 countries had travelled. Are you saying that those 85 countries are all imperialistic warmongers.   
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Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 11 March 2019, 09:41:10 pm
 I think you have completely missed my point Fazersharp. 
 
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But I don't think that ordinary people should continue to pay the price for decisions that madman made.

Millions of people across the Middle East do continue to pay for the warmongering of Blair, which continued with Cameron and today with May.
 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: ogri48 on 11 March 2019, 10:24:50 pm
so you think we deserve to have terrorists living amongst us?
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: mtread on 12 March 2019, 12:48:25 am
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no politicians have the guts to say enough is enough.
So how does that work then? OK I've said 'enough'. Look no difference.
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That may or may not be the case,

No, it is the case
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  Those already here require a different solution

Which is? See, you offer no solutions at all. You can't 'send people back' where they haven't been. You can't stop refugees coming in when they are not refugees. If you don't want to spend money monitoring terrorists, whether they be Islamic or extreme right wing, then be prepared to be blown up, run over or stabbed. But I'd rather not.
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: VNA - BMW Wank on 15 March 2019, 06:52:23 pm
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And its a fact the vast majority, and the worst ones, have been committed by people identifying as supporters of Islam.
There is a rise in far right terrorism as well and  both  types of terrorism will continue to rise because no politicians have the guts to say enough is enough.
Yes indeed fascism is rearing it’s ugly face once more across the globe. 



Today 49 people were shot dead as they attended their place of worship in New Zealand.  The killer describes himself as “a regular white man from a regular family”.  He describes his parents as “Scottish, Irish and English stock”
 
So maybe we should start right here on this forum by saying enough is enough.  No more promotion of facist material – no more Stephen Yaxley videos.  No more links to known right wing extremists and facebook groups.

 
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: dazza on 15 March 2019, 08:08:00 pm

Today 49 people were shot dead as they attended their place of worship in New Zealand.  The killer describes himself as “a regular white man from a regular family”.  He describes his parents as “Scottish, Irish and English stock”
 
So maybe we should start right here on this forum by saying enough is enough.  No more promotion of facist material – no more Stephen Yaxley videos.  No more links to known right wing extremists and facebook groups.


Yep, that'll do it.


No ones allowed to talk about him (except VNA who along with mtread are the ones who always bring him up first) and everything will go away.  :rollin  You idiot.


Oh, and using the tragic mass murder of innocent human beings by a deranged maniac to achieve your own agenda is a low and despicable thing to do.
Well done, truly shown your true colours there.


Anyway, back on topic....
Title: Re: Jihad Brides return to U.K!
Post by: mtread on 15 March 2019, 08:19:22 pm
Quote from the Sydney Morning Herald today
"Ultimately, [the gunman was] nurtured by a media that exploits the politics of hate and division. If the slaying of dozens of Muslims so close to home isn't a warning that Islamophobia and the rise of white supremacy must be taken seriously, then what is''
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