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the six different fiscal values of a secondhand bike
« on: 14 August 2019, 12:49:42 PM »

just my opine obviuosly.
A secondhand bike has no less than six values I reckon. three lay with the seller.
1 what its cost/how much they have tied up in it
2 what its actual realistic value is
3 what you are actually gonna get dependant on factors like time of year/whether people are spending or tightening their belts/ desirability etc.


the other three values lay with the buyer
1 what its actually worth to you
2 how badly you want it
3 your budget


examples.
three years ago I wanted either a fazer thou or early vfr800 carbed. I had a budget of two grand. it was  November, snow on the ground. There was a nice vfr800 near me on ebay for 2500. I offered my 2000. got a bit of a snotty reply. then a fazer thou came up on here for 2200 I think, a long way away but nothing to spend, nice colours (black engine/frame, silver bodywork) nice condition, good extras (mct sorted suspension front and rear, Ti race can)
 again I offered two grand. Bloke agreed, drove straight over in me van, no fannying about or nit picking, he got his money, I got a brilliant bike I still have.
That vfr never sold, and every week it would be relisted on a seven day sale for 100 less. Eventually he messaged me offering it for 2k, but it was obviously two late It finally went over Christmas for 1800.
It goes both ways doesn't it.
I just sold my mint cb1300. the first value, the one it owed me, was 5800 :'( and thats just the parts, not all the hours and hours of meticulous work. but that, as we all know, is totally fucking irrelevant.
the second value, what it was actually worth was probably closer to 4500. But its getting near the end of the season. and they dont sell that well. so again, irrelevant.
its third value, the one I was likely to get, was probably 3700-4000. so I put it on for 4300, and after over 1200 views finally got a solid offer of 4000 cash, which I snapped up. Despite losing a good amount I genuinely think I was lucky it went.
Anyhoo, now I was on the other side of the fence.
I initially wanted a second fazer thou, a real minty one. but...I know I would want a full mct set up with different spring on the stock rear shock (£660) and anew set of bt016s (£140)...so had to budget for eight hundred quid on whatever I bought. This put all the genuinely nice thous out of my reach, as I dint want to spend all the money I got for the honda.
So I decided either another FZ1 (simply because they are a brilliant bike that dont sell well for whatever reason) budgeting at around 2500, or back to why I really got rid of my cb1300 (I wanted carbs and aircooling) so a nice early bonnie or xjr13.
I offered 500 less on several bikes on e bay (the third value  ;) ) and got knocked back every time until I contacted a feller with a last model (06) xjr in that nice shelby ac cobra paint with carbs and twin pipes that he had on e bay for 2500. again I went 500 less.
this bloke was very like me, meticulous with his three bikes, and he had spent a lot on the yam. new seat, new carb inlets and carb rebuild, new mirrors etc all genuine yam, then hagon shocks, new battery, new tyres, chain and sprockets yada yada yada. And like me, he understood the real value of stuff, ie its not what you think its worth, rightly or wrongly its what someone will pay for it.
He agreed a price we were both hppy with, I went straight over to Wolverhampton in the van last night (he as polishing it as I rocked up), no messing each other about and hes got money, ive got my bike sitting in the workshop next to my brother in laws 02 1300sp.
Im not gloating about it whatsoever...im far more out of pocket with the cb than I am in pocket with the xjr.
Just making an observation. And I would quite happily bet money that for the most the bikes on the bay I made an offer on will sit there as the season counts down towards the winter.
but then what do I know. apart from ive got a luverly xjr in the workshop so im happy  :)

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Re: the six different fiscal values of a secondhand bike
« Reply #1 on: 14 August 2019, 12:52:55 PM »
 :) :)

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Re: the six different fiscal values of a secondhand bike
« Reply #2 on: 14 August 2019, 01:56:45 PM »

Great looking bikes there :thumbup .


Another fiscal value...Nostalgia.


Look at the completely bonkers prices of 1970's sports mopeds such as Fizzy's and AP50's :eek . Whenever they're featured in a magazine the owner is always a middle aged bloke who first had one in 1976 ;)
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Re: the six different fiscal values of a secondhand bike
« Reply #3 on: 14 August 2019, 02:15:50 PM »
Ah I missed that one mate👍Make it seven😊

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Re: the six different fiscal values of a secondhand bike
« Reply #4 on: 14 August 2019, 02:20:54 PM »
There's another one. What it will sell at a Bonhams auction to the mega rich, who have too much money. Brough SS80 anybody?

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Re: the six different fiscal values of a secondhand bike
« Reply #5 on: 14 August 2019, 02:40:49 PM »
.... eight then 😉as an aside it feels a lot nicer having two grand tied up in a bike than three or four or five...

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« Reply #6 on: 14 August 2019, 05:22:51 PM »
Lovely colour blue

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« Reply #7 on: 14 August 2019, 05:57:13 PM »
it is lovely paint. I can remember seeing it when it was new at the bike show in  Birmingham. Dodn'tink id have one one day then lol

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Re: the six different fiscal values of a secondhand bike
« Reply #8 on: 14 August 2019, 09:37:34 PM »
Very nice. I've found myself looking at these recently and they looked reasonably priced. I was originally on the hunt for a latter FZ1s but can only really find (local to me) a standard 10 plate done 9k for £4250 which seems like what you originally put about the six values.


I know yours don't have the screen on them but any idea what there like with one? Am I right saying there 5 speed as well?

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Re: the six different fiscal values of a secondhand bike
« Reply #9 on: 14 August 2019, 10:49:09 PM »
yeah you can get a screen should you want mate. and yup, five gears.

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Re: the six different fiscal values of a secondhand bike
« Reply #10 on: 15 August 2019, 06:49:58 PM »
 Why Ogri, why?  Why did you do it?


That CB1300 was just lovely.
Can’t get too excited about XJR1300’s, they are just everywhere.
Rode one a few years ago, didn’t do much for me, was happy to get back on the Fazer.
They do look quite nice though.
I like your brothers with the engine in black. 
 

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« Reply #11 on: 15 August 2019, 07:02:46 PM »
Could be a fun idea....

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Re: the six different fiscal values of a secondhand bike
« Reply #12 on: 15 August 2019, 07:29:44 PM »
 That’s nice Dude.
Though as a nit picker…..
I don’t like the fancy discs and what the foc is it with that exhaust wrap stuff, it seems to get everywhere.
It’s nice to see a custom bike keep it’s airbox, and overall that’s a sweet looking bike.  It would look just fine in the cool bike thread Sir.
 

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« Reply #13 on: 16 August 2019, 12:08:16 AM »
I know what you mean about the wrap but it's supposed to keep the motor running cooler.If your exhausts were a bit dodgy that would be a cheap way of smartening up your bike,I looked at the price of that stuff and it's not to bad at all, a fraction of the price of a new exhaust.I would think you'd have to put it on right though or it could look a right bodge. :lol
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Re: the six different fiscal values of a secondhand bike
« Reply #14 on: 16 August 2019, 10:54:48 PM »

Great looking bikes there :thumbup .


Another fiscal value...Nostalgia.


Look at the completely bonkers prices of 1970's sports mopeds such as Fizzy's and AP50's :eek . Whenever they're featured in a magazine the owner is always a middle aged bloke who first had one in 1976 ;)


 Anyone fancy a giggle
http://www.thebikespecialists.com/stock/used-bikes-in-sheffield/1?sortOrder=ByPriceLowFirst,ByAgeNewest

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Re: the six different fiscal values of a secondhand bike
« Reply #15 on: 16 August 2019, 11:32:59 PM »
I know what you mean about the wrap but it's supposed to keep the motor running cooler.
My understanding of its use is to improve the exhaust gas flow by keeping the gas inside hot.Or is that the same thing - quicker gas out = cooler engine ?
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« Reply #16 on: 17 August 2019, 02:38:34 PM »

Maybe the bandages are because the exhaust pipes have had a wee accident.


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« Reply #17 on: 17 August 2019, 04:06:52 PM »
They've been poorly for some time now,nobody CARES ! :(
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« Reply #18 on: 17 August 2019, 09:24:10 PM »
I know what you mean about the wrap but it's supposed to keep the motor running cooler.
My understanding of its use is to improve the exhaust gas flow by keeping the gas inside hot.Or is that the same thing - quicker gas out = cooler engine ?


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« Reply #19 on: 18 August 2019, 12:23:38 AM »

Great looking bikes there :thumbup .


Another fiscal value...Nostalgia.


Look at the completely bonkers prices of 1970's sports mopeds such as Fizzy's and AP50's :eek . Whenever they're featured in a magazine the owner is always a middle aged bloke who first had one in 1976 ;)


 Anyone fancy a giggle
http://www.thebikespecialists.com/stock/used-bikes-in-sheffield/1?sortOrder=ByPriceLowFirst,ByAgeNewest






I couldn't wait to see,so I went straight to pages 7and8 WOW! WOW! WOW! :eek
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« Reply #20 on: 18 August 2019, 07:10:34 AM »







I couldn't wait to see,so I went straight to pages 7and8 WOW! WOW! WOW! :eek


Yeah I started on the last, dearest, page and worked my way backwards too :lol


Clearly a Ducati specialist. They've got some really nice bikes....at a price.


Most of the classic Japanese stuff seems to be reserved, so they must shift em. There's a couple of RD LC's with 1 or 2 miles on the clock I see.
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« Reply #21 on: 18 August 2019, 10:49:28 AM »
Never realised a Domiracer was that expensive. :eek
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« Reply #22 on: 18 August 2019, 10:57:09 AM »

I'd never even heard of a Domiracer! :lol



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« Reply #23 on: 18 August 2019, 11:04:59 AM »
cant believe someone bought the xs250. I had one of the first ones brand new in 1977 on 3 years HP (remember the old never-never lol). it was £615 from adams mobique in Peterborough. I could have had a brand spankers RD250c (first of the coffin tanked bikes) for £450 as the rd250d had just arrived. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.... :'( :'( :'( :'(

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« Reply #24 on: 18 August 2019, 12:01:20 PM »
 Good to see you have made sure you got one with the original exhaust system intact.  Slip on silencers do not look good on the pre fuel injection bikes.
 
It can be amusing to search e-bay for XJR1300’s.  Few modified ones qualify as cool.  Somebody thinks this is cool.  People will stare as he passes……………..