I always wondered what they wear under their yellow vests
QuoteA home secretarys prime responsibility is to keep people here safe, is it not? Would not letting a jihadi bride waltz back into the country compromise that?I agree with mtread. So a question for you Ogri. Who do you think is, or should be, legally responsible for people like Shamima Begum?
A home secretarys prime responsibility is to keep people here safe, is it not? Would not letting a jihadi bride waltz back into the country compromise that?
OK in simple terms with just a few facts 1. No it wouldn't. She would be likely to be prosecuted for joining a prescribed organisation, and even if not would be constantly monitored. It's the ones you don't know about who are the risk.2. It's immaterial where the killer came from. He will be too young to have witnessed the Yugoslav wars, and anyway most of the atrocities were in Bosnia, against Muslims. Anyway there is no correlation between capital punishment and the right to life of victims. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Another one to add to the ever growing bill then, already 6,000 on the "watch" list, constantly being monitored, no doubt not working and being paid by the state for being a burden. Likely cost of these burdens with no useful contribution to make to society apart from bitterness and harm is likely to be hundreds of millions a year. The politics of a madhouse.
Quote Another one to add to the ever growing bill then, already 6,000 on the "watch" list, constantly being monitored, no doubt not working and being paid by the state for being a burden. Likely cost of these burdens with no useful contribution to make to society apart from bitterness and harm is likely to be hundreds of millions a year. The politics of a madhouse.Yes unfortunately true, but it helps keep us safe. Most of which are British born nationals, and many are on the extreme right. Terrorists are terrorists, whatever their motivation.
But it's a fact that the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by UK nationals who have never left the country.
Quote from: mtread on 11 March 2019, 01:24:52 pmBut it's a fact that the vast majority of recent terrorist attacks in the UK have been committed by UK nationals who have never left the country.That may or may not be the case, but it has no bearing on my statement, which is solely and simply regarding those who have made their way to a war zone, been trained in various methods of killing/torture/rape etc against anyone who is not of their cause. Their return would cause significant strain upon already stretched resources, with the ultimate risk of perpetrators slipping of the radar and acting against the nation and its citizens. Those already here require a different solution
Shamina Begum made a choice, one that so many other refugees all over the world didn't have.
It's the price the UK has to pay for it's continuing imperialism. We have, at the end of the day, brought this on ourselves.
But I don't think that ordinary people should continue to pay the price for decisions that madman made.
no politicians have the guts to say enough is enough.
That may or may not be the case,
Those already here require a different solution
And its a fact the vast majority, and the worst ones, have been committed by people identifying as supporters of Islam.There is a rise in far right terrorism as well and both types of terrorism will continue to rise because no politicians have the guts to say enough is enough.
Today 49 people were shot dead as they attended their place of worship in New Zealand. The killer describes himself as “a regular white man from a regular family”. He describes his parents as “Scottish, Irish and English stock” So maybe we should start right here on this forum by saying enough is enough. No more promotion of facist material – no more Stephen Yaxley videos. No more links to known right wing extremists and facebook groups.