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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #100 on: 09 March 2019, 06:04:44 pm »
We might be all better off backing MAG rather than getting exempt individually , its been said on here that bikes are not the problem they are the answer.......strength in numbers and all that...
One, is never going to be enough.....

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« Reply #101 on: 09 March 2019, 06:46:09 pm »
Yep, might be useful if MAG are advised of any models where the manufacturer has advised us of the NOx level. Anybody asked about the 600 yet? I'm happy to write to Yam.


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« Reply #102 on: 11 March 2019, 12:07:01 pm »
For more recent models the NOx is recorded on the v5, but for our models it isn't.
Are you sure because my 2006 bandit has all those details in the V5.



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« Reply #103 on: 11 March 2019, 12:12:06 pm »
We might be all better off backing MAG rather than getting exempt individually , its been said on here that bikes are not the problem they are the answer.......strength in numbers and all that...



To be fair Bikes are only the answer until the streets of London are jam-packed with them.
As it stands at the moment I will have to increase pollution by using my old diesel to the outskirts to catch a train in to work.
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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #104 on: 15 March 2019, 08:26:00 am »
We might be all better off backing MAG rather than getting exempt individually , its been said on here that bikes are not the problem they are the answer.......strength in numbers and all that...
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04-03-2019 MAG recommends ULEZ ‘breathing space’ for motorcycles

MAG has asked London authorities to allow time with bikers to prevent an angry, administratively nightmarish chaos over ULEZ charges for motorcycles.

MAG met with former Chair of the Transport Committee on the Greater London Authority, Keith Prince AM, at London’s City Hall to seek a postponement for motorcycles from the ULEZ pollution charges for older motorbikes. This was supplemented by a formal letter (link HERE) to the Mayor, Sadiq Khan, requesting the postponement.  Reasons identified for the postponement of the charges include:
  • The Mayor and TfL haven’t yet grasped issues relating to the introduction of the ULEZ charge for older bikes. This means eleventh-hour panic could lead to ill-considered, knee jerk decisions from bikers and also from policy makers.
  • Postponing ULEZ on motorcycles has a tiny impact on emissions. By TfL’s own figures fewer than 4,000 bikes will be non-compliant with Euro 3 – a figure itself already declining through entirely legitimate individual exemptions.
  • ULEZ as it stands means the certainty of injustice, as one biker can be charged whilst riding next to a biker with an identical bike that’s exempt.
  • Postponement can still lead to charging in 2021 if evidence proves the case for it. Currently TfL has no meaningful evidence on motorcycle emissions, nor effective modelling techniques to know the positive effect of modal shift to powered two wheelers. A delay provides time to measure real world emissions and journey time-savings – which will also reduce congestion and thus secondary emissions.
  • The social impact on the poorest road users, who can often only afford older motorcycles and scooters for their commuting needs, has been totally ignored and turns the ULEZ charges into a regressive tax against the least wealthy.
  • TfL has yet to justify the disproportionate effect of charging motorcycles, which would have to pay the same as older cars, while newer cars get in for free.
MAG’s Director of Communications & Public Affairs, Lembit Öpik, warns: ‘there’s a pressing need to take all of this into account to avoid administrative nightmares and injustices. Many motorcycles facing the charge are operating at emissions levels below the ULEZ emissions thresholds. TfL would be obliged to refund any payments made by those riders. So let’s be sensible and postpone this charge, before the whole thing descends into chaos.’

So I have renewed my ancient subs to MAG, due to the work they are doing on our behalf regarding ULEZ.

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #105 on: 21 March 2019, 08:33:43 pm »
Seen this on a fireblade page on fb.






If your old blade doesn’t comply with ULEZ take it to riverbank motorcycles in Hackney Wick tel:0208 983 4896 they are the only TfL certified test centre and my 98 blade now complies 👍🏼

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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #106 on: 22 March 2019, 09:19:50 am »
how about your gen 1 fazer ?????

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« Reply #107 on: 22 March 2019, 01:36:25 pm »
Ok......Everybody, get on this now. Get your certificates of conformity from Yamaha if you haven't already done so.


Sorry but it would appear bikes have to be exempted on an individual basis.


Get your details to TFL and stick it to them. :2guns




Success ...... Here is a copy of my latest email after my last 3 emails were ignored and I started a  formal complaint.




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Ref: 13076164
22 March 2019
Dear Mr Gorman
Thank you for your follow up emails regarding the ULEZ and your motorcycles exemption from the charge.
I'm sorry for the delay in responding to your latest correspondences and I appreciate the time you've taken to get back in contact with us.
I can confirm that your vehicle (Yamaha FZS1000. EU03KXX) has been added to the ULEZ exemptions list and will not be subject to the ULEZ charge. However, the update won’t be reflected on the online Vehicle Checker until just before the scheme goes live. Nevertheless, this will not be an issue and you will not be subject to the ULEZ charge. .
Regarding motorcycles being subject to the ULEZ, hard-hitting measures are required to tackle London’s air pollution problems and to dramatically reduce harmful emissions from transport. To achieve this, we must reduce emissions from all vehicle types in London. This is why motorcycles are included in the ULEZ.
The Mayor’s Transport Strategy sets out the role that motorcycles and other powered two wheelers can play in London’s future transport system. They have an important role in many Londoners’ lives and businesses, helping not only to get people around the city, but in moving and delivering a huge range of goods.
Exhaust emissions regulation for motorcycles began later than for passenger cars and have since lagged behind the trajectory of emissions controls used for other vehicles. This means that, although motorcycles may contribute a relatively small proportion of total emissions, they can be highly polluting on an individual basis.
The ULEZ requires the Euro 3 standard for motorcycles, which is lower than the standards for other vehicle types. Euro 3 became mandatory for all new motorcycles in 2007. The vast majority of motorcycles already meet the Euro 3 standard and we estimate that over 80 per cent of motorcycle kilometres driven in the ULEZ in 2019 will be compliant. For 125cc four stroke motorcycles, the most popular selling class, we estimate that around 90 per cent of motorcycle kilometres driven in the ULEZ in 2019 will be compliant.
Thanks again for contacting us. If there is anything else we can help you with, please reply to this email. Alternatively, you can call us on 0343 222 1234 and we'll be happy to help you.
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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #108 on: 22 March 2019, 02:41:18 pm »
Well done Dazza £££££ No news on the MAG site, so yes it looks like individual bikes. Even so,  £60 spent on a CoC is less than a week's worth of £12.50s, and it lasts forever as well as including the expanded zone (if that happens).


I've just written to Yamaha asking about the NOx level for the FZS600. I'll post what answer I get.
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Re: ULEZ BREAKING NEWS
« Reply #109 on: 22 March 2019, 04:41:37 pm »
Bad news for the 600 :'(
Figure for NOx is too high anyway.


Good Afternoon,
Thank you for your enquiry.
We do however regret to advise that only models constructed to comply with European Whole Vehicle Type Approval, regulations that were not fully introduced until 2003, will qualify for a CoC.
Due to the age of your machine it was not subject to European Whole Type Approval testing, in this instance we can only advise the NOx output for the Model code, therefore a machine of that model of a similar age, which was 0.185 (g/km).
We apologise we are not able to be of assistance.
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« Reply #110 on: 22 March 2019, 07:21:25 pm »
Well done Dazza, I have been waiting for just over a week for my response, I think I'll chase them again on Monday.

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« Reply #111 on: 22 March 2019, 07:42:04 pm »
My emails to TFL are now being returned.

What email address are you using to make contact. I am getting the following message:

These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server:
cclondon@cclondon.com; Failed; 5.3.0 (other or undefined mail system status)

    Remote MTA smtp.tflcc.co.uk: network error


 - SMTP protocol diagnostic: 550 5.7.1 86.182.39.210 listed at zen.spamhaus.org

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« Reply #112 on: 22 March 2019, 07:57:06 pm »
I had a spate of that. It's a conspiracy I tell ya.


Stalling tactics


Keep at them, I've been emailing them at ...      Customerservice@tfl.gov.uk  or try this

customerservice@tfl.gov.uk

You can contact them online but I found their website long winded and hard to navigate.


Keep plugging away, you'll get there.


Everyone else who uses their thou to commute into London and even those who visit occasionally.


Get on it, get our beloved thou's exempted and help keep them one of the most affordable, desirable and best all round machines on the market. :D









« Last Edit: 22 March 2019, 08:01:09 pm by dazza »

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« Reply #113 on: 22 March 2019, 08:22:27 pm »
When did kilometres become the unit of distance travelled in the uk?

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« Reply #114 on: 22 March 2019, 08:44:09 pm »
When did kilometres become the unit of distance travelled in the uk?







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« Reply #115 on: 22 March 2019, 08:49:36 pm »
I had a spate of that. It's a conspiracy I tell ya.


Stalling tactics


Keep at them, I've been emailing them at ...      Customerservice@tfl.gov.uk  or try this

customerservice@tfl.gov.uk

You can contact them online but I found their website long winded and hard to navigate.


Keep plugging away, you'll get there.


Everyone else who uses their thou to commute into London and even those who visit occasionally.


Get on it, get our beloved thou's exempted and help keep them one of the most affordable, desirable and best all round machines on the market. :D



I've just send another email. I'll phone on Monday if I get another non delivery. Bastids!!

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« Reply #116 on: 23 March 2019, 11:43:18 am »
ok guys here's an up date for you , i spoke to riverbank motorcycles in hackney wick .
he said they can test your bike to see if its will pass or not  this is the best part for NOX only ... IF IT COMES UNDER THE FIGURE THEY THEN UPLOAD THE RESULT TO THE TFL DATABASE AND THEN YOU THEN HAVE TO WAIT FOR THEM TO GIVE YOU YOUR EXEMPTION......................
so we are still looking on the thou's the cost is £165 but it cheaper then a new bike there number to book your bike in is 0208 983 4896 

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« Reply #117 on: 23 March 2019, 08:32:35 pm »
this must be a flawed system.....2 identical fazer 1000s in the ulez zone, one with a coc, the other without....... the one without the coc  gets a fine, but that must be contestable if you have an identical bike...... i think i'll wait for mag to see if they get block exemptions
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« Reply #118 on: 24 March 2019, 11:46:37 am »
so we are still looking on the thou's the cost is £165 but it cheaper then a new bike there number to book your bike in is 0208 983 4896
£165...??!!! how exactly are they justifying that amount..?

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« Reply #119 on: 24 March 2019, 11:07:20 pm »
This is interestinghttps://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ulez_exemptions_for_pre_euro_3_mMAG's recent Freedom of Information request to TFL about exemptions. From tfl's response it looks like exemptions will have to be on a bike by bike basis, rather than attributed to whole models.

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« Reply #120 on: 25 March 2019, 05:26:13 am »
And this is what you're up against.
In the e-mail TFL sent me it clearly identifies my bike as a Yamaha FZS1000,  then quotes the reg number.
This is copied and pasted from the link you posted from them.....


[size=0px]When we update a vehicle record to make it compliant with ULEZ we do not [/size][/color][size=0px]record the make and model of the vehicle being updated. We do however record the vehicle registration.


Complete load of bollocks and totally contradicts what they wrote to me.
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« Reply #121 on: 25 March 2019, 06:19:19 am »
Proves to me its money, not saving the planet!! Bastids

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« Reply #122 on: 25 March 2019, 08:37:08 am »
Was any one under the illusion it was the health of those that live and work in London, it was always about how much money they could rip the motorist off for. They must have some more  balloons or other pet non essential project to pay for. 

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« Reply #123 on: 25 March 2019, 02:25:52 pm »
I still think TFL have cocked up here, and MAG know that. TFL haven't defined the process of applying for exemption. They can't get away with saying they don't record the model just because of cost. Anybody who can prove their model is the same as one which has been successfully exempted would win an appeal in court. Plus costs. TFL can't afford that to happen.
I think there's still some way to go on this, but as Dazza says, if you want to be certain from the start, get it done.

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« Reply #124 on: 02 April 2019, 01:07:09 pm »
so we are still looking on the thou's the cost is £165 but it cheaper then a new bike there number to book your bike in is 0208 983 4896
£165...??!!! how exactly are they justifying that amount..?
Ok so gave this bike shop a call just now and its not good -
  • its £175 not £165, so either they put the price up or it was always £175
  • You have to pay the £175 whether it passes or not.
  • They contacted TFL when the news broke about ULEZ and TFL specified what equipment they had to buy, so this is why the test costs so much.
  • They stated that they have had bikes from 1997 pass the NO3 test, so its upto to the individual person if they want to swallow £175
  • The guy I spoke to is obviously been getting in the neck from lots of riders telling him he is a git for charging so much, so obviously he quite confrontational when you first speak to him.
As I have more than one bike I cannot and will not justify £175 just to see if my fazer will pass.
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