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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #25 on: 03 January 2019, 03:10:23 PM »
That made me laugh, Paul.  The number of Fazers I worked on that had battery wiring like yours, as though they were powering every accessory in Halfords. :)

Nice job now. :)
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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #26 on: 03 January 2019, 05:43:06 PM »

ah we all do it fellers :D :D
cant wait for when me illuminated magnifying thing turns up now im eager to get the carbs off and check it all out, even if its a wasted job and everything is tickety boo. I still think theres a slight hesitancy coming off the pilot circuit onto the main...do you think four and three quarter turns out with the mixture screws is a bit much? stock they were all between two and a half and three...thats a lot of difference. I havnt balanced the carbs yet but will borry daves carbtune (thanks again mate) and do it after the next re install

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #27 on: 04 January 2019, 11:12:21 AM »
Did you enlarge one or two pilot bypass holes.  If only one, then 4 1/4 - 4 1/2 is what I used to do.  However, carb synch will likely have a greater effect than a 1/4 turn on the mixture screws. :)

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #28 on: 04 January 2019, 02:16:12 PM »
I did two mate. I was sure youd done a post about enlarging just one so looked for it but couldn't find it, so just followed ivans instructions. Are the two pipes that rin from the carb to the crankcase just breathers mike or some sort of crankcase pressure thingy? they are a bit of a bugger to disconnect... I did one at the carb and one at the crankcase so I didn't confuse them on the re install

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #29 on: 05 January 2019, 09:02:48 AM »
If you did two pilot bypass holes, your mixture screw setting is correct, Paul. :)

Are you referring to the pair of hoses that run to metal spigots above the front sprocket?  If so, those are overflows and you can disconnect both at the spigot end.  I just used a flat-blade 'driver to ease them off if they were stuck in place with age. 

It doesn't matter which hose goes where but you should find that the hoses have taken a shape over time which will naturally bring them to their respective spigot.  Mark one with a bit of tape if you really want to be sure. :)

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #30 on: 05 January 2019, 01:42:22 PM »
fantastic cheers Mike! me led magnifying thingy turned up today so orf with the carbs again tomorrow to check it all out. The 3mm long reach t bar did too so theres lovely. I did use a three eight drive allen head socket on a long bar last time, but I mucho prefer the feel of lightweight gear, weirdo that I am. Im actually looking forward to tackling the job this time around... :D :D

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« Reply #31 on: 05 January 2019, 01:45:07 PM »
670 views!! gotta be a few out there thinking about doing their bikes... ;)

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #32 on: 05 January 2019, 03:24:58 PM »
A lot more interesting than the Brexit thread!!

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« Reply #33 on: 05 January 2019, 04:32:02 PM »
A lot more interesting than the Brexit thread!!
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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #34 on: 05 January 2019, 06:50:18 PM »

lol aint it just.
Deffo whipping the carbs off tomorrow so it will be interesting to me to see whether ive drilled through enough, and how close I was to getting the float heights right with a ruler. One big mistake I wont make again is not getting the air filter box far enough back to give myself more room to work. only after the event did I realise if I unclipped the loom from the side of the box i'd get another half inch back which would have made a lot of difference..also I should have refitted the top bolt to hold it in place while I was working..the slotted hole maks sense now...all good experience in getting to know my bike...

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #35 on: 05 January 2019, 06:52:14 PM »
..also I have a big fuggof propane heater in the garage.... :lol :lol

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #36 on: 06 January 2019, 05:23:12 PM »

did it today. it took three hours. theres a lot to be said for having done a job before. and whereas I spent at least an hour cleaning the carbs/floatbowls etc the first time that was unnecessary this time. and the wiring tidy up saved me at least half an hour in itself
So. I hadnt drilled a few holes enough, the magnifying glass thingy I bought was useless, but the +3.5 cheapo reading glasses I got from poundland for a quid did the job, along with being far more confident this time. I checked the float heights with a Vernier, they were all good. re-fitting was much easier this time, mostly because I bolted the airbox as far back as it would go, then forced the back up with a rag to give me a decent bit of room, and manouvered the carbs in holdin them as high as they would go. that made all the difference in the world, along with a bit of gentle heat and some grease to make the inlet stubs and airbox connectors all go tickety boo.
whether I imagined it being a little iffy just off idle or not I don't know, but either way, its perfect now.
what an utterly, utterly brilliant bike these fazer thous are..
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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #37 on: 06 January 2019, 05:38:18 PM »
Three hours, eh?  Not bad, mate. :)

With a few of the pilot bypass holes smeared partially closed rather than enlarged, it's no wonder you felt it was a little 'off' low down.  Have you synch'ed the carbs this time?

My quickest ever Slip-On kit install was 75 mins from putting the bike on the centre stand.  Carbs off, modded, back on and synch'ed, and EXUP adjusted in that time.  I was working outside in mid-Feb and it was 'kin cold so I had every incentive to get a wiggle on!  :lol

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #38 on: 06 January 2019, 07:25:34 PM »
I have full monty and there is a very slight hesitancy from tickover to light throttle opening, like a fluffing of the carbs which can be heard in the exhaust, catches me out at the lights if i’m Being lazy wristed.
I read that this symptom is indicative of correct pilot screw settings so i’m  not too bothered, still goes like stink :D

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #39 on: 06 January 2019, 08:23:04 PM »
still got to sync the carbs fellers. but it deffo all good. 75 minutes mike...thats bloody good going. mind you, 200+ bikes? I bet you could do it in the bloody dark!! :lol ;)

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #40 on: 06 January 2019, 09:13:24 PM »
It was probably around 200 at the time I did that one.  Nearer to 700 when I called it a day, Paul. :)

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #41 on: 07 January 2019, 07:53:27 PM »
jesus. I cant imagine taking them carbs in an out 700 times mike. its a wonder you are still sane!

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #42 on: 08 January 2019, 07:58:13 AM »
As you've discovered, Paul, once you've learned the technique and know which tools to use, these carbs are actually very easy to remove and refit.  Same with the process of fitting Ivan's kit and doing the other mods in a Full Monty installation.  Typically it used to take me less than 15 minutes to remove the carbs from the time the bike went on the centrestand. :)

The only thing which caused me concern every time was removing the inlet stubs for gas flowing.  The hex bolts on those were usually corroded in the head and it was a fine line between enough torque to crack them loose and too much causing the socket to round off.  They were one of the reasons why I stopped doing the Ivan's installs because I couldn't carry the tools with me to deal properly with a damaged bolt. :(

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #43 on: 12 January 2019, 07:35:28 PM »

remember when I first got the bike mike, and wasn't sure if it was already ivanised? I now know a simple test..if your sitting at 90 in top and whack the throttle open count four seconds and your now indicating 145, its ivanised..
Found some reasonably empty camera free motorway stretches today to try the new top end out a bit. Jeeeeeesus kerrist…. :lol :lol

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« Reply #44 on: 12 January 2019, 08:25:58 PM »
That's certainly one way of checking it out, Paul. ;)

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« Reply #45 on: 12 January 2019, 08:45:54 PM »
I now know a simple test..if your sitting at 90 in top and whack the throttle open count four seconds and your now indicating 145, its ivanised..
Yup, been there done that... a few times..

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #46 on: 13 January 2019, 04:41:28 PM »
 :lol :lol :lol

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #47 on: 13 January 2019, 09:28:03 PM »
borrowed daves carbtune today (cheers buddy), be interesting to see how far out mine are after the mods :) hopefully get on it tomorrow night after work

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Re: finally ivanising..
« Reply #48 on: 14 January 2019, 09:55:21 PM »
balancing sorted...cheers dave.. they were a bit out to say the least

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« Reply #49 on: 14 January 2019, 09:56:52 PM »
and I found a foreigner in the camp...new plug and clip ordered from fowlers...