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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2650 on: 23 March 2019, 01:03:35 pm »
They had to remove a load of the 'signatures' when there was a similar petition for a second EU referendum in 2016.

And the Petition Parliament site has now (amazingly) been modified to screen out fake signatures!

It's odd, though, that the Brexiteers keep banging on about "democracy", yet they're happy to try to sabotage a petition like this because it's showing what the PEOPLE want NOW, not a couple of years ago when they were being lied to and promised all sorts of things that, even with May's deal, will not transpire.

BTW are the hundreds of thousands of people turning up in London today also fake? (As opposed to the fewer than 70 on Nigel Farage's march...?)

PS remember the Brexiteers who were threatening to "Bring the country to a standstill" to force Brexit?

Leaver go-slow on roads leads to prosecutions :D

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2651 on: 23 March 2019, 01:25:48 pm »
BTW are the hundreds of thousands of people turning up in London today also fake?
Yes they're champagne socialists ;)


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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2653 on: 23 March 2019, 06:00:40 pm »
 The Revoke Article 50 petition is now officially the biggest ever petition in the history of the UK – that despite it being only days old.  Over 4.5 million signatures.


We’ve just seen one the of the biggest ever protests in London, perhaps up to or more than a million people demanding a second referendum – and yes because they do not want to leave the EU.


All we have had is a little whimper from those who still support BREXIT.


The truth is people understand they were lied to.  The easiest deal in history has in fact resulted in the EU caring for it’s sick political patient – the UK.  BREXIT has put the EU in charge.


The pound is weak, growth is down, a recession is a strong possibility, and already thousands of people have lost their jobs as a result of BREXIT.  And have you seen the price of an MT10?



It’s clear what the people want – they want an end to BREXIT madness – we want article 50 cancelled now.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2654 on: 23 March 2019, 06:11:14 pm »
Shame it wasn't pissing down with 70 MPH winds in London today like it was the other week :lol

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2655 on: 23 March 2019, 07:18:36 pm »
Even if you add the 1 million to the 4.5 million that is still only 5.5million. So presumably the rest of the 10.5million original remain voters do want brexit.
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2656 on: 23 March 2019, 07:40:35 pm »
Keep clutching at straws.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2657 on: 23 March 2019, 07:48:37 pm »

Keep clutching at straws.


Oh the irony! :groan

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2658 on: 23 March 2019, 07:58:47 pm »
But you yourself said this.


We’ve just seen one the of the biggest ever protests in London, perhaps up to or more than a million people demanding a second referendum – and yes because they do not want to leave the EU.
All we have had is a little whimper from those who still support BREXIT.
"All we have had is a little whimper from those who still support BREXIT." All I have done is use your method of thinking - by not being there they do not support it according to you.
« Last Edit: 23 March 2019, 07:59:28 pm by fazersharp »
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2659 on: 23 March 2019, 08:20:19 pm »
Good luck wriggling out of that one VNA :lol

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2660 on: 23 March 2019, 08:21:14 pm »
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"All we have had is a little whimper from those who still support BREXIT."All I have done is use your method of thinking - by not being there they do not support it according to you.
Lets see what the BREXIT side can muster - so far nowt. 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2661 on: 23 March 2019, 08:50:50 pm »
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"All we have had is a little whimper from those who still support BREXIT."All I have done is use your method of thinking - by not being there they do not support it according to you.
Lets see what the BREXIT side can muster - so far nowt. 

Well so far it is 17,410,742, and then you can add the other 10.5 million who did not bother to have a champagne socialist day out in london or cant even be bothered to stay sitting on their arse and click a few buttons.
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2662 on: 23 March 2019, 09:03:17 pm »
Looks like the only people sitting on their arses are you Leavers  :lol
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2663 on: 23 March 2019, 09:06:08 pm »
 
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Good luck wriggling out of that one VNA :lol

You know 107 pages in and neither you nor Fazersharp can tell us why you want BREXIT, never mind what sort of BREXIT you want.


I think that’s the same right across the country.  Only a lot of people are beginning to realise this, they are beginning to understand that BREXIT is a con.  A lot of people who voted BREXIT I am sure will have signed that petition, many will also have been out protesting against BREXIT today.


You try to blame MP’s across the house for not delivering BREXIT, when the truth is the very people – the comically titled European Research Group – who at the end of the day delivered the referendum to you – yes those lying bastards the ERG – are the very ones who have made sure BREXIT cannot be delivered. 



The Tory party is voting against itself.


The government is voting against itself.


The ERG is voting down BREXIT.


People can see this – they have had enougth.
Here’s a handy link for you;
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241584
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2664 on: 23 March 2019, 09:07:42 pm »
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Shame it wasn't pissing down with 70 MPH winds in London today like it was the other week

No it was a lovely day out thank you. But then the sun always shines on the righteous
:)

I do hope you are all going to join Mr Toad's march at some point? Rather than just sit there being keyboard warriors. He needs the numbers up a bit  :lol
« Last Edit: 23 March 2019, 09:10:08 pm by mtread »

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2665 on: 24 March 2019, 12:19:04 am »
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=318686752183474&id=1159720410844971

Odd that it's the Leave supporters who are claiming that there will be "Riots in the Streets" if we don't get Brexit...

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2666 on: 24 March 2019, 10:23:02 am »

But then the sun always shines on the righteous :)



So what went wrong on 23rd June 2016? :lol

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2667 on: 24 March 2019, 01:46:25 pm »

But then the sun always shines on the righteous :)


So what went wrong on 23rd June 2016? :lol
It wasn't sunny enough. :)

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2668 on: 24 March 2019, 01:58:28 pm »
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So what went wrong on 23rd June 2016?

Yes I remember now. It was very foggy, and you all put your cross in the wrong place  :lol

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2669 on: 24 March 2019, 02:35:36 pm »
 They are talking about well over one million people on the streets yesterday protesting against BREXIT.
Further the petition has now passed 5 million signatures and it’s still climbing.
The people don’t want BREXIT.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2670 on: 24 March 2019, 02:51:35 pm »
 You know the big question here is will the UK learn.


There are serious issues concerning our democracy that need addressed.


We need to consider what we can do to stop political campaigns based on pure lies.  The leave campaign, even after it’s number one campaign claim was demonstrated beyond a shadow of doubt not to be true – continued to push the 350 million pound a week lie. 



There has to be some form of accountability in campaigning.


Further there is our parliament itself.  Theresa May has not understood the basics of minority government. 



We have a parliament in the UK designed to produce a majority government every five years.  But for almost ten years it has failed to do so. 



Our parliamentarians seem unable to work across party lines.  This is something that comes almost naturally right across Europe and indeed here in Scotland. 



It’s quite something to see 27 countries, with all their differing culture and languages repeatedly uniting on these issues, yet one country, the UK, cannot get it’s act together.   So much so that now the 27 are dictating the agenda in the UK.  Nursing the hopless  patient.



It is surely time to move away from majority government – which is effectively a 5 year dictatorship, not only to engage the public in making every vote count, but by forcing our parliamentarians to put the country before party.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2671 on: 24 March 2019, 05:02:19 pm »

there are some very good points there VNA. And ones I agree with totally. Unfortunately, if you get your way, which I think is going to happen, we are moving closer to a dictatorship, not farther away from it.
The most telling thing about the massive petition and the difference in remainers and leavers, is that so many of you are willing to sacrifice democracy to achieve your goal. No matter how you paint it, thats what you will be doing. Im not and never will be. But if remainers get their way, have another referendum, and win, then i'll accept im in a minority in a country that is no longer a democracy and live with it. But you and everybody else responsible for that change should at the very least stop denying the truth of what you are doing.
And please mate, stop telling me I made a decision based on lies I was told...I did not. I made a decision on what I already believed. The leave campaign had no more effect on me than camerons leaflet did.


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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2672 on: 24 March 2019, 05:23:26 pm »
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The most telling thing about the massive petition and the difference in remainers and leavers, is that so many of you are willing to sacrifice democracy to achieve your goal.
The thing is Ogri is that it is now almost three years since that referendum.


Every five years we elect a government, and interestingly enough we don’t keep electing the same government.  People change their view every now and again and yes people can change their minds too.


In 2016 we were told that there would be, if we left the EU, and extra 350 million pounds in the UK to spend on the NHS, or schools or whatever we fancied.


That was a lie.  We were also told that it would be easy.  The easiest deal in history.  That the EU would bend over backwards to give us everything we wanted.


Those were lies too.  I could go on.


And as it turns out the very people who brought us BREXIT, now keep voting it down in the parliament.  The very same people who told us, oh no, we won’t be leaving the single market or the customs union now tells us it must be a NO DEAL exit, and are once again are holding the country to randsom.


The truth is when we voted back in 2016, not only were we lied to, but nobody told us what BREXIT would be, and indeed we were miss-lead into believing we would still have full single market access.  That is possible, but it’s not on offer.


Nobody mentioned Ireland and the fact that we are fully committed by the legally binding Good Friday agreement to maintaining an open border between north and south.  There is no solution that would allow us to leave the customs union and keep that border open.  There would have to be physical customs checks.


Today the deal is May’s deal.  May’s deal decides nothing, it just kicks the can down the road.  It allows us single market access, at a price, and leaves us to negotiate our way out of the EU over the next two years.  The truth is it will leave this country paralysed negotiating BREXIT for a decade or more.


We now have a full constitutional crisis, and ironically the EU is now in charge setting the agenda.


We’ve just had the biggest petition in UK history and possibly the biggest ever demonstration in London.  Why?  Because people want an end to this.


We now know what the deal is.  We can all see the deal and what it means.  So it’s time to put it back to the people.  There is nothing undemocratic whatsoever in doing so.  So what is that you are sacred of?  And the question, has to be;


May’s Deal
Or
Cancel article 50.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2673 on: 24 March 2019, 05:42:23 pm »
im not scared of anything mate in truth. too old for that. im not even disappointed, or angry. If thats how the country is now, then so be it. I dont think a democratically voted decision has a time limit, it is what it is. but thats just me I guess. its a brave new world..

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2674 on: 24 March 2019, 06:10:14 pm »
 
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im not scared of anything mate in truth. too old for that. im not even disappointed, or angry. If thats how the country is now, then so be it. I dont think a democratically voted decision has a time limit, it is what it is. but thats just me I guess. its a brave new world..

Problem is we have to find a way forward.  How do we do it?  No Deal, I hope most of us can agree needs to be avoided.
At the moment the EU will allow a short extension if parliament votes May’s deal through.
If that fails, and I think it will, they will only allow a further larger extension if there is a major change.  They have suggested a general election or a second referendum.
That’s just roughly how things sit right now.
The other options is cross party co-operation in order to come up with a solution.
There ae not a lot of options however.  One though, is to put in place a Norway type deal.  It’s almost a cut and paste sign here job.  It allows us to leave the EU politically but gives us continuing single market access.
That’s how I see it right now.
How do we move forward Ogri?