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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2475 on: 13 March 2019, 12:11:55 PM »
I may abstain  :)

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2476 on: 13 March 2019, 12:25:20 PM »
So we have another referendum with the 2 options...'Leave with May's deal' or 'Leave with no deal'. Sorted :)
Yes we have had the "do you want to remain" vote and we told them no so now the vote should be how we LEAVE. It sickens me to hear those politicians who want to reverse the referendum but will not directly say so when asked.
I think it is a remain unicorn and disrespect to the younger generation to think they all want to remain, although they have been brainwashed by the liberal left dominated education system. 
 
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2477 on: 13 March 2019, 12:28:13 PM »
But of course (thankfully) that's not going to happen, however much you want it :)


Trouble is, you were mis-sold by the Leave campaign. You may be able to claim compensation  :lol
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2478 on: 13 March 2019, 12:52:59 PM »

Apparently the chances of Parliament agreeing to a second referendum at all are virtually non existent so I very much doubt you'll get the opportunity to vote Remain again, no matter how much you want it :)


As for claiming compensation, isn't it The Remoaners that have always complained that the referendum result was invalid for one reason or another?. I was happy enough with it :lol . As far as I'm concerned we're still leaving :)
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2479 on: 13 March 2019, 01:13:39 PM »
May will agree to a second referendum only when all the other options have run out...... which is shortly

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2480 on: 13 March 2019, 05:29:23 PM »
Sorry, we eavers will win again obviously as this poll shows,
http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,24868.msg290695.html#msg290695


60 %  vote to leave, is that a big enough majority this time?  :)



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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2481 on: 13 March 2019, 05:40:01 PM »
 
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I was not picking any single party out for the blame of this complete shambles they have left us in, they are ALL as guilty as each other.

No, no, no.  Steve, it was the government that put the referendum to the people.  Having done so and got a result that they did not want, it is the governments job to deliver on the instruction of the people.


Let us be clear, it is not the job of the opposition to deliver government business.


This is about the Tory party – period.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2482 on: 13 March 2019, 05:43:45 PM »
 
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So we have another referendum with the 2 options...'Leave with May's deal' or 'Leave with no deal'. Sorted :)
That is not a choice.  I too, and with out doubt over 50% of voters would abstain.  Any such referendum would be declared invalid.
The question is much more likely to be;


May’s deal (It’s the only deal on the table)


Or


Cancel article 50.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2483 on: 13 March 2019, 05:57:45 PM »
 I think we need to understand that the 27 EU countries are now in control.  Not because they want to be, but because May and her government are incompetent. 
 
So, what will likely happen this evening (in my opinion) is that parliament will vote by a substantial majority to reject NO DEAL.
 
But that does not change reality.  We will still be heading to NO DEAL.  It is the current default position.
 
The next vote may be to extend article 50.  If that is what happens it will go through with a majority.
 
That then goes to the EU.   To get their agreement we will have to demonstrate that we have a way forward, or if we don’t have a way forward, we need to demonstrate that there is a plan that will lead to a way forward.
 
The 27 countries will need to agree the extension.  If we can’t demonstrate a way forward, they will not grant an extension to article 50.
 
If that happens, your guess is as good as mine.  The government may push May’s deal again (I kid you not) – they may drive us to a no deal.  Or they may cancel article 50.  And if not the parliament will have to force the government to cancel article 50.
 
If May still tries to run the clock down, the EU may grant an emergency extension of a few weeks to allow our parliament to kill BREXIT.
 
Remember what they say about Juncker.  He might like a wee bevvy but he is one still of the smartest political operators in the world.  What they say is – Juncker always gets what he wants. 
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2484 on: 13 March 2019, 06:00:57 PM »
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There you are VNA  a thread all of your own for all your clap trap on Brexit and other politics.    ENJOY 
Almost forgot.
Congratulations to Steve10562cc.  100 pages dude.  The most popular thread today on foc-u. :)
Well done bud.  :guitar :lurk :thumbup :smokin :lol
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2485 on: 13 March 2019, 06:39:38 PM »
Of course we coud still head towards a second referendum, or a general election.
But whatever way you look at it May is a 100% failure.  She's done as PM now.



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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2486 on: 13 March 2019, 07:10:31 PM »
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The next vote may be to extend article 50.  If that is what happens it will go through with a majority.

The EU are saying tonight that they won't grant an extension if May is just going to come back and try to make further changes to her deal. Her 'deal' is dead. Even her Chancellor is telling her to compromise.


The best deal is the one we already have

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2487 on: 13 March 2019, 07:22:46 PM »
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Her 'deal' is dead.
You mean dead and.............

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2488 on: 13 March 2019, 07:30:20 PM »
Latest - Parliament votes to reject No Deal, under any circumstances, not just by 29th March  :)




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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2489 on: 13 March 2019, 07:41:21 PM »
That's good news, but that does not mean that No Deal cannot happen.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2490 on: 13 March 2019, 08:19:42 PM »
 :guitar You can check out any time you like....but you can never leave :guitar
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2491 on: 13 March 2019, 08:22:26 PM »
Malthouse 'managed deal' voted down by large majority
Tories,  including ministers voting against May's instructions
Expected ministerial resignations
Government in chaos


This gets better and better  :lurk

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2492 on: 13 March 2019, 08:37:38 PM »
Jeez, what a foccing mess

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2493 on: 13 March 2019, 08:52:21 PM »
Perhaps we should sack all the MPs vote 650 new MPs who,s only qualification is common sense don't behave like a bunch of spoiled hooligan brats in parliament and have this countries interests at heart in stead of their own. They should all hang their heads in shame. 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2494 on: 13 March 2019, 09:16:22 PM »
 My fear now is this.
The ERG fear losing BREXIT altogether.
They go to May and tell her they will support her deal.
The DUP won’t budge.
But with the support of the ERG and rebel Labour MP’s voting with the government or abstaining, May’s deal could go through on a 3rd meaningful vote.


Remember May’s deal just kicks the can down the road.


So once it is through the ERG can switch back to obtaining as hard a BREXIT as possible. 

Which could mean ten years of doing BREXIT.

Anything can happen.
 
 
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2495 on: 13 March 2019, 10:27:16 PM »
Why does May think she can bring her failed deal back 3 times, yet deny a second referendum?
Bullying and blackmail, her only solution. No credibility whatsoever.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2496 on: 13 March 2019, 11:23:55 PM »
 She’s a bloody difficulty woman.


A lot of MP’s are going to start shitting their pants now.


May will be having a lot of private conversations over the next week.  She’ll threaten the ERG with back me or no BREXIT.  She’ll threaten others with a general election – you’ll lose your seat.  She’ll threaten yet others that she will resign if they don’t vote for her deal – see how you get on you pricks.


At the end of the day she cares more about herself then anything else.  The ERG have repeatedly rubbed her nose in the dirt.  Now she’s gonna pull the pin and go for her pound of flesh.  It’s all or nothing for May.  This is her last stand.  May before country, May before her party, don’t mess with the bloody difficult woman.


She might just yet get this through.  Even the DUP will start shitting bricks in a day or two.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2497 on: 14 March 2019, 09:51:48 AM »
Is there a single MP (our so-called elected REPRESENTATIVES) who is capable or willing to put our country ahead of their self serving,short term,private interests?
I am totally disgusted at the shambles of all this f*****g nonsense.
Maybe its time to change the whole bloody system and get some professional managers running the country instead of these greedy, out of touch, selfish braying donkeys. Makes me sick to be British!
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2498 on: 14 March 2019, 09:54:39 AM »

Why does May think she can bring her failed deal back 3 times, yet deny a second referendum?


If you got a second referendum and Remain lost again you'd then demand a third and so on.... :)
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2499 on: 14 March 2019, 10:04:38 AM »
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She might just yet get this through.  Even the DUP will start shitting bricks in a day or two.
Lots of arm twisting and lying going on this morning.
Ministers who abstained against the 3 line whip last night were 'confused'
Attorney General's previous advice that Vienna Convention couldn't be used to remove NI backstop 'may have been wrong' .
A stitch up is occurring at the moment to try and get May's deal through.
This government, and May in particular are a disgrace.