Author Topic: BREXIT (Read 216207 times)

mtread · « **Reply #2051 on:** 04 February 2019, 12:14:38 am »

BBC News - May determined to deliver Brexit on time

Good luck with that one

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #2052 on:** 04 February 2019, 05:51:06 pm »

YamFazFan · « **Reply #2053 on:** 04 February 2019, 08:30:06 pm »

The BBC news reporter on Radio 2 today said that the Nissan decision isn't related to Brexit.

He said it's due to a decline in the sales of diesel fuelled cars and an issue with the latest Euro emissions standard.

mtread · « **Reply #2054 on:** 04 February 2019, 10:00:03 pm »

Nissan's Europe chairman, Gianluca deFicchy, said that "the continued uncertainty around the UK's future relationship with the EU is not helping companies like ours to plan for the future".
Who do you believe?

YamFazFan · « **Reply #2055 on:** 04 February 2019, 10:21:01 pm »

Quote from: mtread on 04 February 2019, 10:00:03 pm

Nissan's Europe chairman, Gianluca deFicchy, said that "the continued uncertainty around the UK's future relationship with the EU is not helping companies like ours to plan for the future".
Who do you believe?

Yes the reporter did quote that, or words to that effect, but he said that the actual decision was made for the other reasons.

I'm just repeating what the news correspondent said on the Jeremy Vine show today.

Maybe the BBC have got it totally wrong?.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #2056 on:** 04 February 2019, 10:31:15 pm »

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Yes the reporter did quote that, or words to that effect, but he said that the actual decision was made for the other reasons.

So are you suggesting that the Mr De Ficchy is lying? And why on earth would he lie.

In the auto industry we have already lost Schaeffler and Michelin. Both decisions influenced by Brexit.

UK manufactuering needs single market access or it becomes unviable.

YamFazFan · « **Reply #2057 on:** 04 February 2019, 10:51:36 pm »

I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm just reiterating what the reporter said today.

Blame the BBC if it's wrong

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #2058 on:** 04 February 2019, 10:59:04 pm »

Bottom line is Nissan is losing confidence in the UK.They need to tool up for the new X-Trail and they just won't do that without a guarantee of zero quota, zero tariff access to the EU.It's that simple.
Brexit is already driving our economy into recession.

mtread · « **Reply #2059 on:** 04 February 2019, 11:51:35 pm »

Also Japan has just signed a big trade deal with the EU. Don't some of the models have Renault engines in them?

Why would they want to make them here now? So that's :

Nissan
Airbus
Sony
Dyson etc

Project Fear becoming Project Fact. On the other hand we're keeping Wetherspoons and all that English Sparkling Wine

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #2060 on:** 05 February 2019, 12:24:46 am »

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Also Japan has just signed a big trade deal with the EU. Don't some of the models have Renault engines in them?

It’s the Renault–Nissan–Mitsubishi Alliance.

Basically, it still makes sense for Nissan to manufacture in Sunderland (in the EU), but only if it has quota and tariff free access to the single market (that’s the EU again YamFazFan)

Any issues at Sunderland they can easily switch production to France. And as you say they can also manufacture at home in Japan (EU free trade deal). The downside of Japan are the shipping costs.

Nissan is manufacturing the X-Trail in Japan, not because right now it is cheaper to do so, but because of BREXIT uncertainty. Shipping is expensive (something that BREXITEERS seems to think is free) but it is a known cost – the cost of BREXIT to Nissan is currently unknown.

Nissan are fast losing confidence in the UK.

Oh post BREXIT the UK will have no free trade deal with Japan as we do today via the EU. But Japan, well they don’t give a fuck, cos they already have a much bigger fish in the bag, the EU. They'll shut down Sunderland and switch all production to France and Japan.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #2061 on:** 05 February 2019, 12:25:44 am »

YamFazFan · « **Reply #2062 on:** 05 February 2019, 09:39:06 am »

I've just been reading a Financial Times report on the Nissan decision.

Like the BBC report it says that it was down to a decline in diesel vehicle sales and new Euro emission regulations.

And didn't that Dyson factory relocate in about 2002?.

Honestly, the nonsense you 2 come up with between the pair of you!.
I don't know about 'Project Fear'. 'Project Fallacy' more like

mtread · « **Reply #2063 on:** 05 February 2019, 09:47:02 am »

Excuses, excuses. Just a coincidence these are all happening now, or all a big conspiracy?

Would you like to comment on Airbus, or is that just on wing and a prayer (pun intended)

mtread · « **Reply #2064 on:** 05 February 2019, 09:48:10 am »

YamFazFan · « **Reply #2065 on:** 05 February 2019, 09:59:29 am »

Quote from: mtread on 05 February 2019, 09:47:02 am

Excuses, excuses. Just a coincidence these are all happening now, or all a big conspiracy?

You'd have to address those comments to The BBC and Financial Times. I'm just reiterating what they've said. I can provide the link if you like.

Oh and it's 2019 now, not 2002

mtread · « **Reply #2066 on:** 05 February 2019, 10:35:02 am »

..... and now Chris Failing Grayling says it'll be the EU's fault if there's no deal.

Heaven help us....

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #2067 on:** 05 February 2019, 06:26:13 pm »

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I've just been reading a Financial Times report on the Nissan decision.

Like the BBC report it says that it was down to a decline in diesel vehicle sales and new Euro emission regulations.

It’s kinda weird ain’t it. The boss of Nissan says the current BREXIT situation was a factor in their decision to reverse their plans to build the X-Trail at Sunderland, but then Jacob Rees Mogg and Matthew Vincent at the FT seem to suggest the Nissan boss is telling fibs!

So I had a look at Mathhew’s argument. He says the latest Euro 6 legislation is making it more expensive to build the X-trail. But Euro 6 has been applicable to all new models for almost 5 years now. And it applies to all manufacturers. Euro 7 is on it’s way, but as yet is not fully defined and not expected to come into force until 2025. This is not something that has cropped up since Nissan made it’s original decision to build the X-Trail at Sunderland. Nor does Mathew explain why he thinks that because of Euro 6 legislation it will be cheaper to manufacture in Japan.

Diesel sales are down, but this is because of the media miss-leading the public. Governments want to find ways of getting polluting pre-Euro 5 diesels off the road.

Anyway on the same page, a wee video presented by the FT’s Peter Campbell accepts that BREXIT, as we all know, was indeed a factor.

The FT also report the Business Secretary Greg Clark’s BREXIT related concerns in realtion to Nisaan cancelling the deal.

Nissan are proud of their Sunderland plant. They have a number of times described Sunderland as the companies best performing assembly plant. But for Nissan to continue to invest in the UK they need certainty.

The things they need, are a strong and stable currency. No export quotas and single market access. It’s clear from the cancellation of the X-Trail that Nissan do not feel as confident about Sunderland as they have in the past. With the new Japanese free trade agreement, whilst it may cost them more to manufacture in the Japan for the EU market in the short term, they have absolutely certainty moving forwards. Manufactuering needs long term stabilty. Today that is not on offer in the UK.

ogri48 · « **Reply #2068 on:** 05 February 2019, 06:36:11 pm »

apparently the Japanese have the same word for "problem" as they do for "opportunity".....

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #2069 on:** 05 February 2019, 07:01:19 pm »

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apparently the Japanese have the same word for "problem" as they do for "opportunity".....

That reminds me......................

Many years ago at work (power station) I remember being told by our managers that we no longer have problems. The word problem was negative and a word that we would no longer be using at the station. (I’m sitting there thinking 1984 and new-speak etc). They were serious, anybody talking about problems was to be coached and reminded that we now only had opportunities. We were to talk about opportunities and not problems.

A few months later I was sitting in the permit office one quiet night shift just chewing the fat with another worker. The permit office was right next to the turbine hall. Suddenly one the operators came crashing through the door, grabbed the phone and dialled the emergency number then screamed down the phone at the control room supervisor “We’ve got one great big mother fucking almighty opportunity – bearing 3 on turbine 7 has gone up in flames!”

darrsi · « **Reply #2070 on:** 05 February 2019, 07:30:47 pm »

Q: What do Brexit and cigarettes have in common?
A: Both are scientifically proven to have no health benefits whatsoever and both are enjoyed by idiots.

Sorry, made me chuckle.

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #2071 on:** 05 February 2019, 08:14:54 pm »

Not bad.

mtread · « **Reply #2072 on:** 05 February 2019, 08:18:42 pm »

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apparently the Japanese have the same word for "problem" as they do for "opportunity".....

I think it's based on their idea of 'continuous improvement'. You continuously analyse your problems and blockers, and work out how to overcome them, thereby always improving. Used first on Toyota assembly lines I believe.
I believe Mrs May will be trying it out on Rees-Mogg fairly soon

fazersharp · « **Reply #2073 on:** 05 February 2019, 08:29:20 pm »

If Nissan point to brexit as one of the factors and its actually more expensive to build in Japan then why don't they move to France or somewhere

VNA - BMW Wank · « **Reply #2074 on:** 05 February 2019, 08:41:48 pm »

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If Nissan point to brexit as one of the factors and its actually more expensive to build in Japan then why don't they move to France or somewhere

The problem is they don't know the future cost of manufacture at Sunderland. They have no idea what the pound will do, and no idea what their market access will be. BREXIT is a disaster. Right now they need to tool up a new line which is a major investment. Without certainty they won't do that.

But this is what you guys voted for.