BREXIT

[Hedgetrimmer]

Remainers want Forum members to live wherever they choose.

I have no qualms about where you live 


But why would you stay in a country that, having left the EU, has, by your own admission, nothing left to offer you?

[mtread]

I've just seen that bus!. Some remoaners bought it. It's now got a slogan on the side warning that UK nationals houses will be bulldozed and they'll get deported

Blimey, don't you Brexiteers have any funny pictures of your own? Where's all that home grown talent you keep banging on about
 
Here's the last piss take for today

[Hedgetrimmer]

That's ok, because I want this deal to be rejected in Parliament,

Well at least that's one thing we want the same

 Which doesn't make any sense going on the things you have previously said, such as the EU represents you better than the UK. This deal will give you remain in all but name. You don't want the UK to be able to make its own decisions about anything - under this agreement, we won't be able to.

we can decide for ourselves who stays and who comes in.

And so can the entire EU, or is that concept too difficult to grasp?

The EU wants to take in anyone from anywhere in the world who shouts "refugee!" loudly enough, without making any checks before admitting them. It then wants to tell us how many of those people we should blindly accept. You see sense in that. I don't. It also wants us to take in economic migrants who do not have the qualifications we need, when our infrastructure is crumbling and those born here can't get access to the services they need as it is.

[dazza]

I personally can't wait till they start ethnically cleansing us from Europe. It's going to be so much fun smashing things up over here.
Mtread, seriously, get a grip on reality.  
This is scaremongering to the highest degree and typical bully boy tactics.

[YamFazFan]

Blimey, don't you Brexiteers have any funny pictures of your own?

Yes

[mtread]

But why would you stay in a country that, having left the EU, has, by your own admission, nothing left to offer you?

You are obviously missing the irony of your statement there 

[VNA - BMW Wank]

 

'What do we want?'......'A fourth referendum!'

You might get a second referendum, and here’s the question.
Do you wish to accept the BREXIT deal and leave the EU.OrDo you wish to cancel and article 50 and remain in the EU.
 

No one need be deported if both sides are sensible about it. Except those living in a country illegally.

Hedgetrimmer - You just don’t get it.    UK nationals living abroad become as you say ‘illegal’ in the event of a NO DEAL BREXIT. 

So out of all of those that did have a vote - I wonder how many voted for brexit.

I can tell you what we voted for here in Scotland if that helps you fazersharp.  We voted overwhelmingly to REMAIN!
 

[Hedgetrimmer]

But why would you stay in a country that, having left the EU, has, by your own admission, nothing left to offer you?

You are obviously missing the irony of your statement there 

Perhaps. Care to explain it to me?

[VNA - BMW Wank]

 

The EU wants to take in anyone from anywhere in the world who shouts "refugee!" loudly enough, without making any checks before admitting them. It then wants to tell us how many of those people we should blindly accept. You see sense in that. I don't. It also wants us to take in economic migrants who do not have the qualifications we need, when our infrastructure is crumbling and those born here can't get access to the services they need as it is.

What I don’t see sense in is our wars in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya.  What I don’t see sense in is funding Islamic fundamentalists around the world just as wee have done in Syria.  What I don’t see sense in is selling arms to sick Wahhabist nutters in Saudia Arbaia who not only use them to kill civilans in Yemen but happen to think nothing of murdering guests to their foreign consulates.


Anybody who shouts refugee indeed.
 

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Mtread,
Please see my post #373
 It's the 31st of march now.  My driver tells me he's stuck in a truck park in Kent and nobody is moving.  He also mentioned something about other drivers talking about customs forms.  Meanwhile if I don't get this truck to France in the next day I'll loose my contract to one of my many European competitors.

There's also rumours all the car production lines in England are grinding to a hault.

How do I now export my goods as an external country to the EU?
Help!

[mtread]

Perhaps. Care to explain it to me?

I thought it was blindingly obvious, but :


1. You've presumably not moved to a non-EU country in the last 26 years since the Maastrict Treaty, despite hating it, but more importantly
2. It's your selfish opinion that would prevent me from living in an EU country, even if I wanted to


Assuming you get your way of course
 

[Hedgetrimmer]

2. It's your selfish opinion that would prevent me from living in an EU country, even if I wanted to

This could be sorted if the EU had the will. It is up to us and them, no one else.

[mtread]

quote] How do I now export my goods as an external country to the EU?Help! 
1. You wait
2. You wait some more
3. Keep waiting
4. You get to the front of the queue
5. You go on the ferry /tunnel
6. The nice French Douane man tells you to wait in a queue
7. You wait some more
8. You get to the front of the queue
9. The not so nice French Douane man rummages your lorry looking for illicit foodstuffs, dangerous non EC approved stuff etc etc
10. You pay lots of duties and VAT
11. You set off
12. You get flagged down again at the Dutch border
13. Repeat 6 - 9
14. Likewise the German, Czech etc borders until you get to your destination
15. Your stuff in the lorry starts to smell real bad

[mtread]

This could be sorted if the EU had the will. It is up to us and them, no one else.

Sorry, I thought 'No deal' was No Deal. You can't have 'The bits of the deal I want, but not the rest'


(Continues banging head on the wall)

[VNA - BMW Wank]

 Shit.  So I’ll loose the contract cos



1.  I can’t meet their delivery terms now.  And;
2.  They’ve rejected my price adjustment cos of the taxes.  It’s simpler and now cheaper for them to buy their pumps within the EU.  I’m focced.


I’ve just lost all my EU contracts.
Plus, I’m losing UK contacts as their production lines grind to a halt.
In fact, my business is rapidly going bust.
 

[Hedgetrimmer]

This could be sorted if the EU had the will. It is up to us and them, no one else.

Sorry, I thought 'No deal' was No Deal. You can't have 'The bits of the deal I want, but not the rest'

If that's the way the EU wants it, then fine.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

No Deal is not an option. 

It is not going to happen.
Article 50 being shredded is a more likely outcome than No Deal.
And at the end of the day the best deal is the deal we already have.
Plus it maintains the Good Friday Agreement and sees Indy Ref 2 consigned to the bin.
The referendum is not binding.  BREXIT is increasingly looking impossible (what some of us have known all along) and yup we are indeed a represntative democracy.

[mtread]

If that's the way the EU wants it, then fine.

The word 'Deal' suggests agreement between two or more parties.


I'll be sending out dictionaries for Xmas 

[mtread]

quote] Shit.  So I’ll loose the contract cos [/size]1.  I can’t meet their delivery terms now.  And;2.  They’ve rejected my price adjustment cos of the taxes.  It’s simpler and now cheaper for them to buy their pumps within the EU.  I’m focced.I’ve just lost all my EU contracts.Plus, I’m losing UK contacts as their production lines grind to a halt.In fact, my business is rapidly going bust.


O no. I've completely missed out a stage. I'd be sacked if I hadn't retired! 


4a. Present your Export documentation to the UK Border Force officer to claim back duties and VAT.
4b. Wait while UKBF checks through your goods to make sure you are not overclaiming.


If it's across the Irish Land Border, there's an extra one too


4c. Step outside while somebody in a balaclava sets fire to your lorry

[VNA - BMW Wank]

4a. Present your Export documentation to the UK Border Force officer to claim back duties and VAT.
4b. Wait while UKBF checks through your goods to make sure you are not overclaiming.


If it's across the Irish Land Border, there's an extra one too


4c. Step outside while somebody in a balaclava sets fire to your lorry

But nobody has a clue about any of that stuff anymore.So we all need to employ people to put the system in place and do the paperwork, keep records etc etc.  That's a massive burden on industry.
Then we'll need to employ thousands of customs officers - or well maybe not as the UK will quickly go bust.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

 Other reasons why NO DEAL is not an option are;


Aside from it destroying our economy.
Trashing our currency.
Downgrading our credit rating.


 
Well the UK will be seen as untrustworthy.  We will have been seen to walk away from our commitments.
It sends a signal to the world the UK cannot be trusted.  That the UK is a country that reneges on commitment and contract. 
 

[YamFazFan]

What is likely to happen next if Parliament rejects the Brexit deal but The Government wins a subsequent confidence vote?.

[Hedgetrimmer]

If that's the way the EU wants it, then fine.

The word 'Deal' suggests agreement between two or more parties.


I'll be sending out dictionaries for Xmas 

You see, that's where your argument fails. No deal means that we aren't bound by EU rules anymore. Therefore, if we want to to say EU citizens living and working here can stay, we can. But we can also say that to only the ones who benefit us by being here. Or to whoever we decide we want to. That's the point of no deal that seems to be going straight over your head. We will have the sovereignty over our own land to do as we see fit, for our benefit. Then, if the EU still wants to chuck UK citizens out, we'll see (more of) their true colours.


The EU says it has things to lose by us leaving. After a no deal exit, it will then be up to them to demonstrate if they mean that, or they want nothing more to do with us. You Remainers only see the extremes of everything. Perhaps that is why the EU suits you so much. If the EU then wants to negotiate common ground in various things sensibly, i.e. they give up this idea that they can just dictate to us, then we'll see a new relationship develop.

[Hedgetrimmer]

What is likely to happen next if Parliament rejects the Brexit deal but The Government wins a subsequent confidence vote?.

Then it's likely that on March 29th we will leave with no deal, as the EU will refuse any further negotiations.

[VNA - BMW Wank]

 

What is likely to happen next if Parliament rejects the Brexit deal but The Government wins a subsequent confidence vote?.

Your question is irrelevant because I cannot see how, as things stand right now, how the government could loose a vote of no -confidence.  Therefore there will not be a vote of no-confidence.