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« Reply #300 on: 18 November 2018, 11:43:25 am »
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Don't know what happened there.

That's what David Cameron said on the 24th of June 2016 YamFazFan


That's what Dominic Raab said when he read the document he'd just drafted  :rolleyes

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« Reply #301 on: 18 November 2018, 12:43:41 pm »
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Then there is Labour – we won’t accept any deal unless it meets our 6 point test – what the foc!    What the foc is the general public supposed to make of that.  They want a general election that they can’t possible get presumably so they can put forward their 6 point test or we don’t know what the fuck to do manifesto.



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« Reply #302 on: 18 November 2018, 12:59:39 pm »
You honestly couldn't make it up.

....and on the subject of quotations, isn't that one of Richard Littlejohn's that he often uses in his excellent Daily Mail column?. Always an unmissable read. Well we get it free with the shopping from Waitrose anyway :lol .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6395847/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-stuck-middle-EU.html
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #303 on: 18 November 2018, 01:09:35 pm »
If you try a bit harder, Waitrose will give you a proper free newspaper  ;)

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« Reply #304 on: 18 November 2018, 01:16:44 pm »
Not sure what you mean by a 'proper free newspaper', but we get The Guardian for wrapping the spud peelings in. You can chuck the whole lot straight on the compost heap then :lol .

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« Reply #305 on: 18 November 2018, 01:23:25 pm »
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Richard Littlejohn            excellent                              Daily Mail
Sorry?

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« Reply #306 on: 18 November 2018, 01:29:01 pm »
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Not sure what you mean by a 'proper free newspaper', but we get The Guardian for wrapping the spud peelings in. You can chuck the whole lot straight on the compost heap then .



But the Guardian is much more expensive. Have you thought of swapping them around?


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Having said that, means you can save the Mail for toilet duties  :)

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« Reply #307 on: 18 November 2018, 02:21:24 pm »
That reminds me of Steptoe and Son. They used newspaper in 'The Khazi' didn't they :lol . Another Galton and Simpson classic.

I see Ray died just the other week didn't he. That's the last person associated with Hancock's Half Hour passed away I reckon. The end of an era.





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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #308 on: 18 November 2018, 02:38:59 pm »
I think they always used newspaper. The outside toilet featured quite a lot. Those were the days  :)


Yes both gone now. What was very sad was Hancock thinking he could go it alone. Didn't recognise the skill of the scriptwriters. The combination of script and delivery.


Saw a very emotional play some years ago 'Hancocks Last Half Hour', set in his hotel bedroom just before he takes his life.


Genius is often flawed.

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« Reply #309 on: 18 November 2018, 02:56:56 pm »
Was that the play by Heathcote Williams?. Just looked up a review of it from The Fringe festival.
I remember watching an interview with Galton and Simpson and they said that Hancock had a saying 'We can do better' but apparently he didn't expand on that much. I also read that he was increasingly dissatisfied with his Half Hour character's 'loser' reputation.
Maybe he was worried about getting typecast. That certainly happened to Harry H Corbett didn't it.

I always thought that his peak was in the shows he did with Sid James. They had a chemistry and it's said that they genuinely liked each other in real life. I think he lost a great deal without Sid.
What a sad end on the other side of the world when he died.



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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #310 on: 18 November 2018, 04:03:14 pm »
Yes Heathcote Williams, performed by Pip Utton. Seen Pip in lots of one man stuff - Churchill, Hitler and even Thatcher. He is superb.


It was Hancock who of course ditched Sid James. He thought they were becoming a 'double act'. Of course it didn't harm Sid's career much.


Harry H Corbett was of course a classically trained actor, and always thought Steptoe & Son was a bit beneath him. Not sure how he squared that with 'Carry On Screaming'! Wilfred Bramble was a terrible alcoholic.


How these gems ever got made, I'm not sure!


We've had some brilliant writers, Clement and La Frenais, Croft and Perry, John Sullivan etc, but I think Galton and Simpson come out tops.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #311 on: 18 November 2018, 04:07:09 pm »
In a minute someone is going to come on and tell us to foc off and start a new thread - 'Comedy Greats'  :lol

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #312 on: 18 November 2018, 04:10:49 pm »




Former Australia PM Tony Abbott:


"It’s pretty hard for Britain’s friends, here in Australia, to make sense of the mess that’s being made of Brexit. The referendum result was perhaps the biggest-ever vote of confidence in the United Kingdom, its past and its future. But the British establishment doesn’t seem to share that confidence and instead looks desperate to cut a deal, even if that means staying under the rule of Brussels. Looking at this from abroad, it’s baffling: the country that did the most to bring democracy into the modern world might yet throw away the chance to take charge of its own destiny.

Let’s get one thing straight: a negotiation that you’re not prepared to walk away from is not a negotiation — it’s surrender. It’s all give and no get. When David Cameron tried to renegotiate Britain’s EU membership, he was sent packing because Brussels judged (rightly) that he’d never actually back leaving. And since then, Brussels has made no real concessions to Theresa May because it judges (rightly, it seems) that she’s desperate for whatever deal she can get. The EU’s palpable desire to punish Britain for leaving vindicates the Brexit project. Its position, now, is that there’s only one ‘deal’ on offer, whereby the UK retains all of the burdens of EU membership but with no say in setting the rules. The EU seems to think that Britain will go along with this because it’s terrified of no deal. Or, to put it another way, terrified of the prospect of its own independence. But even after two years of fearmongering and vacillation, it’s not too late for robust leadership to deliver the Brexit that people voted for.

It’s time for Britain to announce what it will do if the EU can’t make an acceptable offer by March 29 next year — and how it would handle no deal. Freed from EU rules, Britain would automatically revert to world trade, using rules agreed by the World Trade Organization. It works pretty well for Australia. So why on earth would it not work just as well for the world’s fifth-largest economy? A world trade Brexit lets Britain set its own rules. It can say, right now, that it will not impose any tariff or quota on European produce and would recognise all EU product standards. That means no border controls for goods coming from Europe to Britain. You don’t need to negotiate this: just do it. If Europe knows what’s in its own best interests, it would fully reciprocate in order to maintain entirely free trade and full mutual recognition of standards right across Europe.

Next, the UK should declare that Europeans already living here should have the right to remain permanently — and, of course, become British citizens if they wish. This should be a unilateral offer. Again, you don’t need a deal. You don’t need Michel Barnier’s permission. If Europe knows what’s best for itself, it would likewise allow Britons to stay where they are. Third, there should continue to be free movement of people from Europe into Britain — but with a few conditions. Only for work, not welfare. And with a foreign worker’s tax on the employer, to make sure anyone coming in would not be displacing British workers. Fourth, no ‘divorce bill’ whatsoever should be paid to Brussels. The UK government would assume the EU’s property and liabilities in Britain, and the EU would assume Britain’s share of these in Europe. If Britain was getting its fair share, these would balance out; and if Britain wasn’t getting its fair share, it’s the EU that should be paying Britain.

Finally, there’s no need on Britain’s part for a hard border with Ireland. Britain wouldn’t be imposing tariffs on European goods, so there’s no money to collect. The UK has exactly the same product standards as the Republic, so let’s not pretend you need to check for problems we all know don’t exist. Some changes may be needed but technology allows for smart borders: there was never any need for a Cold War-style Checkpoint Charlie. Irish citizens, of course, have the right to live and work in the UK in an agreement that long predates EU membership.

Of course, the EU might not like this British leap for independence. It might hit out with tariffs and impose burdens on Britain as it does on the US — but WTO rules put a cap on any retaliatory action. The worst it can get? We’re talking levies of an average 4 or 5 per cent. Which would be more than offset by a post-Brexit devaluation of the pound (which would have the added bonus of making British goods more competitive everywhere). UK officialdom assumes that a deal is vital, which is why so little thought has been put into how Britain might just walk away. Instead, officials have concocted lurid scenarios featuring runs on the pound, gridlock at ports, grounded aircraft, hoarding of medicines and flights of investment. It’s been the pre-referendum Project Fear campaign on steroids.

And let’s not forget how employment, investment and economic growth ticked up after the referendum. As a former prime minister of Australia and a lifelong friend of your country, I would say this: Britain has nothing to lose except the shackles that the EU imposes on it. After the courage shown by its citizens in the referendum, it would be a tragedy if political leaders go wobbly now. Britain’s future has always been global, rather than just with Europe. Like so many of Britain’s admirers, I want to see this great country seize this chance and make the most of it. Tony Abbott served as Prime Minister of Australia from 2013 to 2015"


Hear, hear!


Don't believe in the UK? The EU is waiting with open arms. Got your passport? Then what's stopping you?  ;) 
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #313 on: 18 November 2018, 04:30:09 pm »
That's why he's the former Australian PM.....

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« Reply #314 on: 18 November 2018, 04:56:43 pm »




Former Australia PM Tony Abbott:


"It’s pretty hard for Britain’s friends, here in Australia, to make sense of the mess that’s being made of Brexit. The referendum result was perhaps the biggest-ever vote of confidence in the United Kingdom, its past and its future. But the British establishment doesn’t seem to share that confidence and instead looks desperate to cut a deal, even if that means staying under the rule of Brussels. Looking at this from abroad, it’s baffling: the country that did the most to bring democracy into the modern world might yet throw away the chance to take charge of its own destiny.

Let’s get one thing straight: a negotiation that you’re not prepared to walk away from is not a negotiation — it’s surrender. It’s all give and no get. When David Cameron tried to renegotiate Britain’s EU membership, he was sent packing because Brussels judged (rightly) that he’d never actually back leaving. And since then, Brussels has made no real concessions to Theresa May because it judges (rightly, it seems) that she’s desperate for whatever deal she can get. The EU’s palpable desire to punish Britain for leaving vindicates the Brexit project. Its position, now, is that there’s only one ‘deal’ on offer, whereby the UK retains all of the burdens of EU membership but with no say in setting the rules. The EU seems to think that Britain will go along with this because it’s terrified of no deal. Or, to put it another way, terrified of the prospect of its own independence. But even after two years of fearmongering and vacillation, it’s not too late for robust leadership to deliver the Brexit that people voted for.

It’s time for Britain to announce what it will do if the EU can’t make an acceptable offer by March 29 next year — and how it would handle no deal. Freed from EU rules, Britain would automatically revert to world trade, using rules agreed by the World Trade Organization. It works pretty well for Australia. So why on earth would it not work just as well for the world’s fifth-largest economy? A world trade Brexit lets Britain set its own rules. It can say, right now, that it will not impose any tariff or quota on European produce and would recognise all EU product standards. That means no border controls for goods coming from Europe to Britain. You don’t need to negotiate this: just do it. If Europe knows what’s in its own best interests, it would fully reciprocate in order to maintain entirely free trade and full mutual recognition of standards right across Europe.

Next, the UK should declare that Europeans already living here should have the right to remain permanently — and, of course, become British citizens if they wish. This should be a unilateral offer. Again, you don’t need a deal. You don’t need Michel Barnier’s permission. If Europe knows what’s best for itself, it would likewise allow Britons to stay where they are. Third, there should continue to be free movement of people from Europe into Britain — but with a few conditions. Only for work, not welfare. And with a foreign worker’s tax on the employer, to make sure anyone coming in would not be displacing British workers. Fourth, no ‘divorce bill’ whatsoever should be paid to Brussels. The UK government would assume the EU’s property and liabilities in Britain, and the EU would assume Britain’s share of these in Europe. If Britain was getting its fair share, these would balance out; and if Britain wasn’t getting its fair share, it’s the EU that should be paying Britain.

Finally, there’s no need on Britain’s part for a hard border with Ireland. Britain wouldn’t be imposing tariffs on European goods, so there’s no money to collect. The UK has exactly the same product standards as the Republic, so let’s not pretend you need to check for problems we all know don’t exist. Some changes may be needed but technology allows for smart borders: there was never any need for a Cold War-style Checkpoint Charlie. Irish citizens, of course, have the right to live and work in the UK in an agreement that long predates EU membership.

Of course, the EU might not like this British leap for independence. It might hit out with tariffs and impose burdens on Britain as it does on the US — but WTO rules put a cap on any retaliatory action. The worst it can get? We’re talking levies of an average 4 or 5 per cent. Which would be more than offset by a post-Brexit devaluation of the pound (which would have the added bonus of making British goods more competitive everywhere). UK officialdom assumes that a deal is vital, which is why so little thought has been put into how Britain might just walk away. Instead, officials have concocted lurid scenarios featuring runs on the pound, gridlock at ports, grounded aircraft, hoarding of medicines and flights of investment. It’s been the pre-referendum Project Fear campaign on steroids.

And let’s not forget how employment, investment and economic growth ticked up after the referendum. As a former prime minister of Australia and a lifelong friend of your country, I would say this: Britain has nothing to lose except the shackles that the EU imposes on it. After the courage shown by its citizens in the referendum, it would be a tragedy if political leaders go wobbly now. Britain’s future has always been global, rather than just with Europe. Like so many of Britain’s admirers, I want to see this great country seize this chance and make the most of it. Tony Abbott served as Prime Minister of Australia from 2013 to 2015"



Stone me!, that's a good letter :thumbup
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #315 on: 18 November 2018, 04:57:55 pm »
 
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a negotiation that you’re not prepared to walk away from is not a negotiation — it’s surrender.


Sounds a bit like - if you don't give us what we want we'll jump off a cliff.



Anyway I think she's already tried pointing a gun at her own heid.  Didn't work. :lol
 

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« Reply #316 on: 18 November 2018, 05:24:29 pm »

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a negotiation that you’re not prepared to walk away from is not a negotiation — it’s surrender.


Sounds a bit like - if you don't give us what we want we'll jump off a cliff.



Anyway I think she's already tried pointing a gun at her own heid.  Didn't work. :lol
 

There's that chap who wants nothing to do with the UK again.


That's why he's the former Australian PM.....


mtread, what qualifications and experience do you have that give you more knowledge than him?  ;)  You're a former...what, exactly? :rollin
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« Reply #317 on: 18 November 2018, 05:37:35 pm »
Perhaps we could ask the European court to help sort this mess out......when they've finished imposing this sort of shit on us......who the fuck do they think they are telling us who we have to house. It's a fucking joke.
Walk away from the lot of them, show a bit of backbone, get your head down and show the world what Great Britain can achieve.
The EU is nothing short of an unelected dictatorship that are acting like the bully boys in a private school.
They know full well us leaving would seriously wound them.
If only we had a leader who kept this in mind when dealing with the fucktards.


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« Reply #318 on: 18 November 2018, 05:58:00 pm »
 
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They know full well us leaving would seriously wound them.
Sorry – so May should – pull out a loaded gun, point it at her own heid, and shout at Barnier “This is going to seriously wound you!” then pull the trigger!


I see. :eek
 

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« Reply #319 on: 18 November 2018, 06:06:07 pm »
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They know full well us leaving would seriously wound them.
Sorry – so May should – pull out a loaded gun, point it at her own heid, and shout at Barnier “This is going to seriously wound you!” then pull the trigger!


I see. :eek


And we should listen to you because...?

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« Reply #320 on: 18 November 2018, 06:13:04 pm »
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They know full well us leaving would seriously wound them.
Sorry – so May should – pull out a loaded gun, point it at her own heid, and shout at Barnier “This is going to seriously wound you!” then pull the trigger!


I see. :eek
 
Yes it would seriously wound Barnier because her head would be is up his arse just like it has been for 2 years 
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« Reply #321 on: 18 November 2018, 06:14:14 pm »
Just heard on the news that Macron is talking about full European sovereignty. So no super state eh? Ok... :rolleyes


Not to mention his previous statement about wanting an EU army to defend against...the U.S.A.?!  :eek
Yes, I can see which way this EU project is going.
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« Reply #322 on: 18 November 2018, 06:22:54 pm »
May is going back to Brussels in the week to try and get a better deal, and they will just chuck her back in the channel like they did with Cammoron.
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« Reply #323 on: 18 November 2018, 06:39:04 pm »
Perhaps we could ask the European court to help sort this mess out......when they've finished imposing this sort of shit on us......who the fuck do they think they are telling us who we have to house. It's a fucking joke.
Walk away from the lot of them, show a bit of backbone, get your head down and show the world what Great Britain can achieve.
The EU is nothing short of an unelected dictatorship that are acting like the bully boys in a private school.
They know full well us leaving would seriously wound them.
If only we had a leader who kept this in mind when dealing with the fucktards.


Absolutely spot-on dazza  :thumbup


I was waiting to find out more about what this deal would actually mean, but it's now obvious; Germany and France are looking for full European domination, including over the UK. Not militarily yet, perhaps, although some of Macron's rhetoric makes you wonder.
Now, I don't care what the draft deal says, it is time we just walked away from that snake pit.

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« Reply #324 on: 18 November 2018, 06:40:44 pm »
 Looks this is roughly what is going to happen.


Our representatives will have to decide whether or not they are going to vote for May’s deal.


It does not look, at the moment, as if they will.


Remember – “We want a red white and blue BREXIT – that is the right BREXIT for the United Kingdom”
Which roughly translates into – not got a clue right now.


But what she did do at that time was meet privately with the captains of British industry, in particular the bosses of certain car manufactures.  They have been given assurances.  In other words, there will not be a No Deal BREXIT.


So the choice is;
May’s deal.
Or suspend article 50. 



May will be meeting Juncker to discuss our future relationship under the deal that is on the table, and further to discuss a possible political melt-down in the UK. Ie contingency plans to avert a NO Deal situation.