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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2550 on: 18 March 2019, 11:06:47 PM »
 
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Berk -o decided to look it up and went 400 years back to find the ruling.

And it is indeed the principle on which parliament has operated on since.   The last time parliament deviated from this principle was, we are told, 1921.
Therefore, it appears he is correct.
Like it or not, it moves parliament on.  Progress.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2551 on: 18 March 2019, 11:32:11 PM »

Leavers should be pleased. Bill Cash was, he thinks it's leading to a No Deal........ idiot.
Liked the look on Leadsom's face when Bercow gave her a bollocking. She looked like she'd just swallowed a wasp :lol

This government is not in control  :)


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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2552 on: 19 March 2019, 07:05:52 AM »

VNA Your last cartoon is the only one of the s**t cartoons you and your side kick have posted to make me chuckle  :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek :eek

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2553 on: 19 March 2019, 09:39:31 AM »
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Sure has. He's got a 'Bollocks To Brexit' sticker on his car hasn't he?. Oh no it's his wife's car isn't it

Always helps when the ref is on your side  :)

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2554 on: 19 March 2019, 11:24:04 AM »

If you can't have the same vote more than once then that rules out a second referendum :)
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2555 on: 19 March 2019, 11:49:08 AM »
So if Berk-o has only just realised after checking, then the 2nd (MV2) result should be null and void and the 1st vote figure of a 230 defeat should still stand. And not the 2nd vote figure of a    margin of 149 votes. So the EU needs to respond and renegotiate on the basis of a massive 230 no to their deal and not what they have perceived as a step towards their deal - a no of 149 votes. 
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2556 on: 19 March 2019, 12:07:15 PM »

If you can't have the same vote more than once then that rules out a second referendum :)


You mean apart from the fact that the Tories *have* already had a second vote?

But if the question is not "Leave/ Remain", but "Leave with May's Deal / No Deal / Remain", the question is (as the Speaker said) "substantially different" because now people can see exactly what they are voting for, rather than vague promises...

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2557 on: 19 March 2019, 12:18:36 PM »


But if the question is not "Leave/ Remain", but "Leave with May's Deal / No Deal / Remain", the question is (as the Speaker said) "substantially different"


So you have two voting options for the Leave voters to choose from, but just one for Remain, thus splitting the Leave vote in two and guaranteeing a Remain win?.


Yes you'd love that wouldn't you :lol
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2558 on: 19 March 2019, 12:40:12 PM »


But if the question is not "Leave/ Remain", but "Leave with May's Deal / No Deal / Remain", the question is (as the Speaker said) "substantially different"


So you have two voting options for the Leave voters to choose from, but just one for Remain, thus splitting the Leave vote in two and guaranteeing a Remain win?.


Yes you'd love that wouldn't you :lol
Well in that case you vote and then the highest two go through to the next round.
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2559 on: 19 March 2019, 01:35:52 PM »
You can't have a referendum with 3 options. It has to be a binary question. Parliament will get to choose the question, as they did last time. Parliament has already ruled out No Deal,so it'll be Leaving under May's Deal/Remain. Easy win  :)

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2560 on: 19 March 2019, 01:48:37 PM »

Yes Remain would walk it with those options. You alienate all those who wanted to leave with No Deal.


The stitch-up would be complete.


It'd be a hollow 'victory' though. Mass protests like you've never seen before, whole swathes of the electorate disenfranchised from democracy, trust in politics and politicians at an all time low. And the row about The EU would rumble on and on and on.............






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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2561 on: 19 March 2019, 02:06:32 PM »

You can't have a referendum with 3 options. It has to be a binary question. Parliament will get to choose the question, as they did last time. Parliament has already ruled out No Deal,so it'll be Leaving under May's Deal/Remain. Easy win  :)


So you'd have the same general option as before for Remain, but a modified narrowed down more specific option for Leave?


In other words a re-run of 2016, but with only one side altered?.


Can't see Parliament agreeing to such a fit-up as that :lol


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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2562 on: 19 March 2019, 02:10:27 PM »

Parliament has already ruled out No Deal,so it'll be Leaving under May's Deal/Remain. Easy win  :)


It would be the people voting, not Parliament. The people haven't ruled out No Deal :)
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2563 on: 19 March 2019, 02:44:38 PM »
You don't need to alter Remain, it's quite specific. Leave would have to be a specific version, unlike the 'Leave and then what?' in 2016. The other option could be a specific 'No Deal' but as said Parliament will get to choose, and there aren't enough No Deal MPs. Labour has suggested it will back May's deal on condition she puts it to a referendum. So the direction is there.


Actually I've just had a look at the latest news headlines, and I haven't a foccing clue what's going on at the moment. But I suspect I'm not alone  :rolleyes

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2564 on: 19 March 2019, 04:33:50 PM »
Actually I've just had a look at the latest news headlines, and I haven't a foccing clue what's going on at the moment. But I suspect I'm not alone  :rolleyes
May's going to write to Tusk begging for an extension up until the end of June....or possibly longer. Up to two years longer maybe. How humiliating.

They're acting all superior and pretending to think about it, but we all know that they're shitting themselves about the UK leaving with no deal, or at all, and will definately grant it in the hope that it might lead to Article 50 being revoked or the rigged referendum that you refer to.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2565 on: 19 March 2019, 06:05:57 PM »
Just put Corbyn in charge. Sorted  ;)

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2566 on: 19 March 2019, 07:14:00 PM »


General election I say. We need stronger government.



That may be the Conservatives with a decent working majority by the way.




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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2567 on: 19 March 2019, 07:47:44 PM »
Is that those 'strong and stable' Conservatives you're talking about?  :)


To be honest, if it's May vs Corbyn I expect the lowest turnout ever..... and the Lib Dems to get in  :lol

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2568 on: 19 March 2019, 08:22:37 PM »
Nothing would surprise me any more after all this :\
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2569 on: 19 March 2019, 08:30:07 PM »
Perhaps if nobody turned out to vote the MPs all of them from every party would realise what shower of  s**t the general public thought they were. 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2570 on: 19 March 2019, 09:15:55 PM »
Time to roll out article 61 of the Magna Carter and withhold our tax payments.


http://www.paparty.co.uk/direct_democracy_tax.htm

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2571 on: 19 March 2019, 10:19:41 PM »
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2572 on: 20 March 2019, 12:02:10 AM »
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Perhaps if nobody turned out to vote the MPs all of them from every party would realise what shower of  s**t the general public thought they were.
Trouble is there'd always be one idiot that votes, and we'd end up with Farage in charge :pokefun
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Time to roll out article 61 of the Magna Carter and withhold our tax payments.

That could be a bit tricky in practice with PAYE. And VAT, come to think of it.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2573 on: 20 March 2019, 12:04:12 AM »
So you have two voting options for the Leave voters to choose from, but just one for Remain, thus splitting the Leave vote in two and guaranteeing a Remain win?.

Yes you'd love that wouldn't you :lol

Perhaps you've not heard of the Single Transferrable Vote system?

Or do you think it would be too complicated for people to be required to rank their choices as 1st, 2nd and 3rd?

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2574 on: 20 March 2019, 12:26:33 AM »
Working PAYE
1. Notify HMRC in writing that you are invoking Article 61 of the Magna Carta [inform them of your tax code].
2. List the government policies that you are unhappy with your tax payments funding and fully explain your reasons [be specific about how you feel about these particular policies]. The government will then have forty days to amend or repeal the policies and if they fail to do so, you then have the legal right to continue to with-hold tax payments.
3. Inform HMRC that you are also informing your employer of your right and will to invoke Article 61 of the Magna Carta.
4. Notify your employer in writing that you have notified HMRC of your right and will to invoke Article 61 of the Magna Carta and that they must therefore cease deducting tax payments from you and that any issues they may have about you invoking Article 61 of the Magna Carta and about them not deducting your tax payments must be addressed by HMRC directly and not by yourself. While knowing that you are not legally qualified to answer to such issues and after being advised by you to approach HMRC to resolve any issues, questioning you would therefore constitute harassment and maybe also obstruction [depending upon their will to comply with your lawful request to invoke Article 61 of the Magna Carta].
[/size]Working self employed[/color]
1. Notify HMRC in writing that you are invoking Article 61 of the Magna Carta [include your self assessment account details].
2. List the government policies that you are unhappy with your tax payments funding and fully explain your reasons [be specific about how you feel about these particular policies]. The government will then have forty days to amend or repeal the policies and if they fail to do so, you then have the legal right to continue to with-hold tax payments.
[/size]Article 61 of the Magna Carta[/color]
PA direct democracy video: The Magna Carta and Article 61 [Lawful Rebellion]
Magna Carta - complete history
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What could they possibly do to you, after all we live in a free democratic country. :rolleyes