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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2450 on: 11 March 2019, 10:08:09 PM »

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2451 on: 11 March 2019, 10:08:46 PM »

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2452 on: 11 March 2019, 10:27:05 PM »
you should compile a book of the unfunniest cartoons ever written. seriously though, I havnt seen one thats even vaguely humerous, let alone funny.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2453 on: 12 March 2019, 12:33:45 AM »
How about this one then? It's hilarious
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2454 on: 12 March 2019, 09:45:15 AM »
oh my aching sides...

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2455 on: 12 March 2019, 04:28:01 PM »
Tap water?. I thought they were all going to run dry under Brexit?.
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2456 on: 12 March 2019, 04:36:32 PM »
Good point. It should have read `Peckham Spring'.


BTW all looking a bit feisty for tonight's vote....

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2457 on: 12 March 2019, 06:14:37 PM »
that's Tories for ya
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2458 on: 12 March 2019, 06:18:47 PM »

Here's my prediction....


The Government loses tonight's vote, but by a smaller margin than previously.
Admittedly it'd be a job to beat the size of the last one :rolleyes .


Then tomorrow Parliament will vote to reject 'No Deal'.


Next they will vote for an extension to Article 50. The EU will grant this on condition that there's a second referendum. Parliament votes for this course of action.


Leave win the second referendum, but Parliament has the final say. The Remainers in Westminster repeatedly thwart the result and we're back to square one :rolleyes
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2459 on: 12 March 2019, 07:58:52 PM »
It's been a stitch up from the start non of the MP's thought leavers would ever command a majority at the referendum so they just played the system, to run it out of time. This is the week Democracy died in the United Kingdom and that's whether you voted for or against Brexit. Perhaps it's time we found another way to vote for the people that represent us the people in parliament and got rid of the old boy/girls you scratch my back I'll scratch yours net work.   

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2460 on: 12 March 2019, 09:57:24 PM »
 
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It's been a stitch up from the start

Absolute correct.  The referendum was not held for the benefit of the people.  The people frankly didn’t particularly want a referendum on the EU.
The referendum was offered in order to unite a divided Tory party for long enough to prevent Labour winning an election.

David Cameron figured he couldn’t win a majority but either as a minority government or with a liberal coalition the referendum would be voted down in parliament.  So, he felt free to offer it confident that he would not be able to deliver it to the people.
But he did win a small majority and having no real choice but to put it to parliament it was voted through with that small but workable Tory majority.  Still he felt no real need to worry as with a solid remain campaign the people would not be daft enough to vote to leave.  So, they didn’t even consider the consequences of a leave vote.
Once held and the result over the UK as a whole (not Scotland and Northern Ireland) was to leave, well you know the rest.  With May’s disastrous snap election we were delivered into the hands of the ruthless aristocratical and monied wing of the Tory party whom quickly moved the goal posts and have held the country to ransom ever since.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2461 on: 12 March 2019, 09:58:45 PM »
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2462 on: 12 March 2019, 10:02:45 PM »
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I havnt seen one thats even vaguely humerous, let alone funny.
Here's anither fae ye! :lol



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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2463 on: 12 March 2019, 11:02:54 PM »
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It's been a stitch up from the start

Absolute correct.  The referendum was not held for the benefit of the people.  The people frankly didn’t particularly want a referendum on the EU.
The referendum was offered in order to unite a divided Tory party for long enough to prevent Labour winning an election.

David Cameron figured he couldn’t win a majority but either as a minority government or with a liberal coalition the referendum would be voted down in parliament.  So, he felt free to offer it confident that he would not be able to deliver it to the people.
But he did win a small majority and having no real choice but to put it to parliament it was voted through with that small but workable Tory majority.  Still he felt no real need to worry as with a solid remain campaign the people would not be daft enough to vote to leave.  So, they didn’t even consider the consequences of a leave vote.
Once held and the result over the UK as a whole (not Scotland and Northern Ireland) was to leave, well you know the rest.  With May’s disastrous snap election we were delivered into the hands of the ruthless aristocratical and monied wing of the Tory party whom quickly moved the goal posts and have held the country to ransom ever since.


Totally agree with both of you.
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2464 on: 12 March 2019, 11:07:35 PM »
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Here's my prediction....
The Government loses tonight's vote, but by a smaller margin than previously.Admittedly it'd be a job to beat the size of the last one  .
Then tomorrow Parliament will vote to reject 'No Deal'.
Next they will vote for an extension to Article 50. The EU will grant this on condition that there's a second referendum. Parliament votes for this course of action.
Leave win the second referendum, but Parliament has the final say. The Remainers in Westminster repeatedly thwart the result and we're back to square one

I think you are right..... up until the second referendum, which Remain will win by a comfortable majority. Because of changes in the voting population and because more people will realise what a disaster Brexit is and the lies they were told. Then we will be back to square one, before this whole sorry mess started  :)
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2465 on: 12 March 2019, 11:28:48 PM »
 
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which Remain will win by a comfortable majority.

I would hope so.  Back in 2016 100,000’s of people who had never voted before in their lives came out and voted.  There may be a backlash, that resounding vote may still be there – or will they really all come out a second time.  I don’t know.  But what I do know, is that there will be little or no apathy in the remain camp.  Those who want to remain will be under no illusion – they must get to the polls – and the youth of this country will be motivated like never before – just as they were in Scotland in 2014.  It’s their future – it’s our future.  We need to put a stop to this madness.

 
But to be honest – right now – the only thing we can be absolutely certain about – is well nobody really knows what will happen next.
 

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2466 on: 12 March 2019, 11:55:22 PM »
Best bit I heard is that Leavers might boycott a second referendum. Bring it on...  :D

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2467 on: 13 March 2019, 06:24:10 AM »
I was not picking any single party out for the blame of this complete shambles they have left us in, they are ALL as guilty as each other. There is NOT an MP sitting in parliament of any party worthy of TRUST or RESPECT from the people of this once great nation.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2468 on: 13 March 2019, 07:33:57 AM »

Best bit I heard is that Leavers might boycott a second referendum. Bring it on...  :D


I'd heard that they were going to participate in the second one, but boycott the third which Remain will inevitably call for if they lose again ;)
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2469 on: 13 March 2019, 10:11:29 AM »
The blame for all this shambles is down to May. Whether a Leaver or Remainer it's clear her tactics have been wrong since the beginning.
She called a general election she didn't need to, lost her majority and handed disproportionate power to the DUP
She spent 2 years trying to appease the ERG and failed
She thought she could bully and blackmail the EU and failed
She was handed the opportunity by Labour of going for a softer Brexit, which would have got a Parliamentary majority and refused to take it.
So she decided to run the clock down. Nobody else blinked.
It was always more important to her to keep the Tory party in one piece than do what's best for the country.
She is a stubborn woman. It's her way or no way. She doesn't do 'compromise'
She's failed miserably and polarised the country. The rest of the world is laughing at us.


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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2470 on: 13 March 2019, 10:25:01 AM »
I think MP's lost sight of the fact that they are the representative of their constituents. Out of 650 MP's, 480 voted to Remain, outnumbering Leavers by 3:1. They've ignored the country's vote and followed their own agendas. Roughly 70% of Conservative and 60% of Labour seats, voted to leave, so let us leave with no deal, we'll be fine in the long run.


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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2471 on: 13 March 2019, 11:12:19 AM »
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so let us leave with no deal, we'll be fine in the long run
But that's not what was on the referendum ballot paper. So people didn't vote for that either.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2472 on: 13 March 2019, 11:19:06 AM »
But the options were
Remain a member of the EU, or, Leave the EU.
No mention of only leave providing certain parameters were met.

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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2473 on: 13 March 2019, 11:30:52 AM »
But also no option for what type of Leave. That was the problem with the question. Remain was clear - the status quo. Leave was 'Leave and then what kind of relationship do you want with the EU - None at all/Trading deal/Residency deal/Banking deal etc etc. Those questions weren't asked, and people are just assuming the only option was' None' and that's what 52% voted for. That's why we are currently in the **** we're in.
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Re: Just for VNA a brexit thread
« Reply #2474 on: 13 March 2019, 11:42:28 AM »
So we have another referendum with the 2 options...'Leave with May's deal' or 'Leave with no deal'. Sorted :)
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