QuoteYes, I do know that very well because I wore glasses at school. Specky four eyes! Bet you had those NHS ones too!
Yes, I do know that very well because I wore glasses at school.
You ain't by chance bald now too?
Strange how many people on this forum who don't read the Daily Mail seem to know what is written in it.
Quote from: darrsi on 21 January 2018, 04:26:34 pmKids are little bastards, it's because they're kids and in the early learning stage.Most grow out of it, some carry on being a bastard in later life too.If anything they're worse now than they've ever been, mainly in the big cities.If you think you can change them......good luck.Children are not born racist.Children are not born sexist.Children are not born homophobic.Children are not born trans-phobicetc etc etcBut if they see older children and adults behaving in a particular way, they will copy that behaviour and it will become innate because they don't know any different. Then they go and replicate that behaviour and the whole sorry story continues.I have two friends, one is a cis-woman, the other a trans-woman and they have a delightful little daughter who is very intelligent. One day she was outside and a little girl from a neighbour's house met her and they started playing.Suddenly the other girl's mother came rushing out, dragging her daughter away saying "No, we don't play with her!"That child is going to be brought up with the idea that two women (especially if one is trans) are people to be avoided, simply because her mother is a bigot.Another example: there was a series on the BBC not long ago called "No more boys and girls" where a Doctor went into a Primary School class and changed the way they were taught, getting rid everything from gender separated coat racks to the teacher calling boys "mate" and girls "love".The boy had an over-exaggerated idea of their own abilities whilst the girls were much less confident, but by the end of it, the girls were more self-confident interested in STEM careers etc and the boys behaviour was much improved and they were considerate of other people.See https://www.standard.co.uk/stayingin/tvfilm/bbc-documentary-no-more-boys-and-girls-asks-if-genderneutral-schooling-is-the-key-to-achieving-a3613406.htmlSo it *is* possible to stop children being little bastards but we need to start by making sure they don't *learn* to be little bastards!
Kids are little bastards, it's because they're kids and in the early learning stage.Most grow out of it, some carry on being a bastard in later life too.If anything they're worse now than they've ever been, mainly in the big cities.If you think you can change them......good luck.
QuoteYou ain't by chance bald now too?(Checks 12" pony tail)Err, nope...!
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Everyone has their own ideas and way of thinking which nobody else can have full control over at all. This is easily demonstrated by siblings who have grown up in the same household but then go their different ways, and can end up totally unlike each other due to the path they each took.
As for children not being born racist, homophobic, etc, that all might work in your ideal land, but the reality is our schools these days are being filled with kids from certain religions where all of these things are blatantly taught as being "taboo" to say the very least, starting at home, so again there is also that mountain to climb.
It's considered fashionable to slam newspapers such as the Daily Mail.
Actually i think you're just pissing in the wind if you think you can "teach" someone their personality.
Another thing that needs to be mentioned is the amount of drugs that are so easily available these days that have flooded the world. I never had any idea whatsoever about drugs when i was at school, not a clue, but you look at any suburban film involving teenage kids these days and there seems to be a constant flow and misuse of drugs. Guaranteed to change the nicest personality in the world to a fucked up degenerate.
Quote from: Grahamm on 22 January 2018, 11:40:24 pmQuoteYou ain't by chance bald now too?(Checks 12" pony tail)Err, nope...!
Quote from: Grahamm on 22 January 2018, 11:42:21 pmDaily Heil Not heard that one before.I bet you tuck a copy inside your Guardian so we don't all know that you're reading it
Consensus has determined that the Daily Mail (including its online version, dailymail.co.uk) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist.
Ho, ho! Which means you must be of a certain age……
Quote(Checks 12" pony tail)And a specky old git wi a baldy patch and pony tail!
Quote from: YamFazFan on 23 January 2018, 10:43:47 amQuote from: Grahamm on 22 January 2018, 11:42:21 pmDaily Heil Not heard that one before.I bet you tuck a copy inside your Guardian so we don't all know that you're reading it I don't read any newspapers. I do read online articles from various sources, but given that even Wikipedia doesn't consider the DM a reliable source of information...!QuoteConsensus has determined that the Daily Mail (including its online version, dailymail.co.uk) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist.
Quote from: darrsi on 23 January 2018, 07:25:33 amActually i think you're just pissing in the wind if you think you can "teach" someone their personality.You're right, but, there again, I didn't say that.What you *can* do is give them better ideas on how to behave towards other people. QuoteAs for children not being born racist, homophobic, etc, that all might work in your ideal land, but the reality is our schools these days are being filled with kids from certain religions where all of these things are blatantly taught as being "taboo" to say the very least, starting at home, so again there is also that mountain to climb. And you then have the choice of balkanising groups, just like the "We don't play with her" mother I mentioned above, or you can actually *TALK* to people and try to understand their viewpoints and, just maybe, they'll understand ours instead of everyone developing a "them and us" mentality.But if you don't listen, you'll never learn.QuoteAnother thing that needs to be mentioned is the amount of drugs that are so easily available these days that have flooded the world. I never had any idea whatsoever about drugs when i was at school, not a clue, but you look at any suburban film involving teenage kids these days and there seems to be a constant flow and misuse of drugs. Guaranteed to change the nicest personality in the world to a fucked up degenerate. Yes, because, as Professor David Nutt pointed out to the Home Office, MDMA (Ecstasy) is no more dangerous than riding a horse and Cannabis is less dangerous (and causes less problems) than alcohol.But, hey, let's all just get pissed and smoke fags because *they* aren't a problem...
Quote from: VNA on 23 January 2018, 07:04:57 pmHo, ho! Which means you must be of a certain age……I'm 52. 53 in April.So what?
Quote from: Grahamm on 23 January 2018, 11:58:10 pmI do read online articles from various sources, but given that even Wikipedia doesn't consider the DM a reliable source of information...!QuoteConsensus has determined that the Daily Mail (including its online version, dailymail.co.uk) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist.Using Wikipedia as a defence against something being unreliable is just a moot point.
I do read online articles from various sources, but given that even Wikipedia doesn't consider the DM a reliable source of information...!QuoteConsensus has determined that the Daily Mail (including its online version, dailymail.co.uk) is generally unreliable, and its use as a reference is to be generally prohibited, especially when other more reliable sources exist.
Again, not entirely sure why you're even badmouthing the DM, if by your own admission you don't even read newspapers?
it's still a source of info regardless.
Hasn't home life and schools agendas been all about teaching right from wrong from an early age?
It's multiculturalism that could well be the downfall and undoing of any previously good work.[...] Problem is, to some of them, mad violence, homophobia, etc, was just a part of everyday life, they know no different yet we have these kids integrating with British kids so as you can guess trying to get such a class full of kids to all behave the same and understand decent values is indeed like "pissing in the wind".
don't expect employers to tolerate drug use
The problem with cannabis is how long it stays in your system
Comparing taking Ecstasy to riding a horse, well, that's a bit like your DM / Wikipedia comment, just irrelevant.
Quote from: darrsi on 24 January 2018, 07:21:47 amHasn't home life and schools agendas been all about teaching right from wrong from an early age? Yes and there have been a lot of failed approaches which we shouldn't be using any more, yet are still out there. QuoteIt's multiculturalism that could well be the downfall and undoing of any previously good work.[...] Problem is, to some of them, mad violence, homophobia, etc, was just a part of everyday life, they know no different yet we have these kids integrating with British kids so as you can guess trying to get such a class full of kids to all behave the same and understand decent values is indeed like "pissing in the wind".Right, so let's not bother then. Let's just give up and let them go on their "mad homophobic way"...Quotedon't expect employers to tolerate drug useI never said they should, just as, as you mention, someone turning up to work drunk.QuoteThe problem with cannabis is how long it stays in your systemThe effects wear off after around 4-8 hours, similar to a few pints of average beer. Of course most people don't realise that a heavy drinking session on a Sunday night will still impair them on a Monday morning.QuoteComparing taking Ecstasy to riding a horse, well, that's a bit like your DM / Wikipedia comment, just irrelevant. No, it's pointing out how ridiculous the current "harm reduction" drug laws are. And if you want laws to "reduce harm", the first thing to do is ban motorcycles because they make up almost 20% of the KSI statistics...
It's multiculturalism that could well be the downfall and undoing of any previously good work.
And the "them and us" gap is becoming much wider. We have UK teachers trying to teach kids from all over the world about how "we" think life should be lived but then these same kids go back home and they're immediately back in their home land, and it all goes out the window. Some of these kids, and adults, have seen acts of atrocity that we wouldn't even see in horror films, that have almost become the norm for them, and i've no doubt they're still etched quite clearly in their minds. Problem is, to some of them, mad violence, homophobia, etc, was just a part of everyday life, they know no different yet we have these kids integrating with British kids so as you can guess trying to get such a class full of kids to all behave the same and understand decent values is indeed like "pissing in the wind".
Government are trying to outprice cigarettes with added horrifying ad campaign to try and make you quit, and i think it is slowly but surely making an impact on a lot of people.
In my opinion the only people who would benefit from legalizing certain drugs would be the "stay at home" type.
For the record, most people know the effects of alcohol, and generally for example it will be out of your system after a booze up a definite 2 days later.
Unfortunately cannabis won’t be out of your system, even more so if you’re a regular user, so if you get pulled over and swabbed a week later you could still get nicked and banned due to the near zero tolerance drug driving laws, even though you will feel absolutely fine to drive and not feel under the influence at all.
Carefully chosen angles Graham, you’re hiding it well. QuoteIt's multiculturalism that could well be the downfall and undoing of any previously good work.I’m all for multiculturalism. Can’t see anything wrong with it. QuoteAnd the "them and us" gap is becoming much wider. We have UK teachers trying to teach kids from all over the world about how "we" think life should be lived but then these same kids go back home and they're immediately back in their home land, and it all goes out the window. Some of these kids, and adults, have seen acts of atrocity that we wouldn't even see in horror films, that have almost become the norm for them, and i've no doubt they're still etched quite clearly in their minds. Problem is, to some of them, mad violence, homophobia, etc, was just a part of everyday life, they know no different yet we have these kids integrating with British kids so as you can guess trying to get such a class full of kids to all behave the same and understand decent values is indeed like "pissing in the wind".Stop reading the Daily Mail Darrsi, it’s all paranoid bigoted bull shite. QuoteGovernment are trying to outprice cigarettes with added horrifying ad campaign to try and make you quit, and i think it is slowly but surely making an impact on a lot of people.Unfortunately, it’s become something of a tax on the poor. It’s also resulted in a massive growth in the black market – ie organised crime. I don’t think tobacco should be cheap as chips, but the current prices are ludicrous. It also smacks of middle class nannyism, the great and good enforcing their preferences on all. It ignores the fact that the most damaging drug in the UK is alcohol. QuoteIn my opinion the only people who would benefit from legalizing certain drugs would be the "stay at home" type. I fail to see how you come to that conclusion.QuoteFor the record, most people know the effects of alcohol, and generally for example it will be out of your system after a booze up a definite 2 days later.Alcohol is a hard drug – period. You can get seriously off yer face on it and/or potentially kill yourself. Not to mention it’s association with aggressive behaviour. It’s a serious hard drug.QuoteUnfortunately cannabis won’t be out of your system, even more so if you’re a regular user, so if you get pulled over and swabbed a week later you could still get nicked and banned due to the near zero tolerance drug driving laws, even though you will feel absolutely fine to drive and not feel under the influence at all.When tested for alcohol, people are tested to determine whether they are under the influence of the drug, ie how much alcohol is in their blood.Cannabis is an illegal substance. When tested for cannabis, you are tested to see if you have any of the broken down by products of an illegal drug in your system. You are not tested to determine if you are under the influence of the drug.At my place of work there is a rigorous random drug testing programme. As far as I can figure out - what they have managed to prove is that people can use recreational drugs and function as model employees. It’s also encouraged the use of hard drugs such as cocaine which are in and out of your system quick.
Coke may be in and out of your system quickly by medical terms, but it still leaves remnants of an angry wanker behind.
And i did say that if a regular user of cannabis is tested days or even weeks later they can still get nicked driving because of the legal levels in the system which don't flush out so easy.
Don’t get me wrong, i don’t agree with it at all, but they’re obviously doing it for a reason.
As for booze, if you treat it with disrespect, tough shit, nobody's forcing you to drink it, and if you don't know your limits or simply abuse it then we all know the possible outcomes.
QuoteCoke may be in and out of your system quickly by medical terms, but it still leaves remnants of an angry wanker behind.I’m not advocating coke. But one thing that has helped it become popular is how quickly the body processes the by products of the drug. Current workplace drug policies promote the use of coke.QuoteAnd i did say that if a regular user of cannabis is tested days or even weeks later they can still get nicked driving because of the legal levels in the system which don't flush out so easy.That’s the point I was making – there are no legal limits in the system for the by-products THC because it is not a legal substance. The testing is a nonsense.QuoteDon’t get me wrong, i don’t agree with it at all, but they’re obviously doing it for a reason.The current laws and policies are clueless. It’s a case of keep doing the same thing that’s never ever worked in the hope that at some point in the future surely it will work. QuoteAs for booze, if you treat it with disrespect, tough shit, nobody's forcing you to drink it, and if you don't know your limits or simply abuse it then we all know the possible outcomes.So then why discriminate against safer less harmful drugs? Why encourage organised crime. Why ignore and deny the colossal damage that alcohol does to society?