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« on: 21 September 2017, 07:41:35 pm »
1. Halfords have got 20% discount on all Castrol 4 litre oils at the moment. Making 10/40 Power 1 = £31.20 and Power 1Racing = £32.80. Probably cheaper than anywhere else at the moment?
2. Lidl have got an intelligent battery charger which can be switched between bike (less than 14ah) and car (14ah to 120ah). Price £13.99. OK for lead/acid, AGM and GEL Also can charge 6v.

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« Reply #1 on: 22 September 2017, 06:45:54 pm »
That's still bloody expensive for oil.
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« Reply #2 on: 22 September 2017, 06:58:36 pm »
Not for Power 1 Racing it isn't

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« Reply #3 on: 23 September 2017, 09:27:44 am »
The marketing spiel is designed to get you hooked, but it's still oil at the end of the day, that has to be of certain specs and regulations, otherwise engines would be going pop left, right and centre.


I wanted to try fully synthetic for a change so tried this stuff out for quite a while now and i've been more than happy with it, with no issues whatsoever.
As long as the oil is changed within the recommended intervals then you shouldn't have any problems. The 600's are given a 6000 mile recommendation, but me, along with quite a few others tend to change it around the 4000 mile mark, so paying over the odds for it isn't too appealing just because it has a fancy name on the container.
The semi synthetic is even cheaper, but if you haven't bought any already give this gear a go, i promise you won't be disappointed.  ;)


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-Fully-Synthetic-10W-40-10W40-Motorcycle-Oil-4-Stroke-JASO-MA2-10W-40-/111838862300?epid=0&hash=item1a0a1d9bdc:g:anIAAOSwHQ9WXgZf


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-10W40-Super-4T-Semi-Synthetic-Motorcycle-4-Stroke-Engine-Oil-5-LTR-/121799799494?hash=item1c5bd572c6:g:PMMAAOSwoydWj6~Y
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« Reply #4 on: 23 September 2017, 01:05:32 pm »
You can get 5 Litres of Semi-Synthetic 10W40 at Wilkos for £15.50 http://www.wilko.com/car-maintenance-products/wilko-semi-synthetic-motor-oil-10w40-5l/invt/0257972

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« Reply #5 on: 24 September 2017, 12:09:48 am »
Well I like Power 1 Racing, hence the bargain. Running 2 Triumphs as well as the Fazer, both specifying fully synthetic.
Tried the Lidl battery charger today and looks to do all that the much dearer 'specialist' bike ones do.

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« Reply #6 on: 24 September 2017, 12:37:49 pm »
Cracking shout there darrsi, after checking it out via the link I will be defining giving it a try. Cheers
Oh I forgot to add aldi also have battery chargers in at the same price, I picked one up last week & I'm happy with it 👍
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Re: Bargains?
« Reply #7 on: 24 September 2017, 03:10:03 pm »
The marketing spiel is designed to get you hooked, but it's still oil at the end of the day, that has to be of certain specs and regulations, otherwise engines would be going pop left, right and centre.


I wanted to try fully synthetic for a change so tried this stuff out for quite a while now and i've been more than happy with it, with no issues whatsoever.
As long as the oil is changed within the recommended intervals then you shouldn't have any problems. The 600's are given a 6000 mile recommendation, but me, along with quite a few others tend to change it around the 4000 mile mark, so paying over the odds for it isn't too appealing just because it has a fancy name on the container.
The semi synthetic is even cheaper, but if you haven't bought any already give this gear a go, i promise you won't be disappointed.  ;)


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-Fully-Synthetic-10W-40-10W40-Motorcycle-Oil-4-Stroke-JASO-MA2-10W-40-/111838862300?epid=0&hash=item1a0a1d9bdc:g:anIAAOSwHQ9WXgZf


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-10W40-Super-4T-Semi-Synthetic-Motorcycle-4-Stroke-Engine-Oil-5-LTR-/121799799494?hash=item1c5bd572c6:g:PMMAAOSwoydWj6~Y


Why are you changing it sooner than recommended? Do you doubt the oil quality, or some other reason?

API SL and JASO MA2 seem very promissing.

What's the (not petrol station rip off) price of Motul 7100 10w40 in the UK?
« Last Edit: 24 September 2017, 03:12:42 pm by Slaninar »
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« Reply #8 on: 25 September 2017, 07:29:37 am »
The marketing spiel is designed to get you hooked, but it's still oil at the end of the day, that has to be of certain specs and regulations, otherwise engines would be going pop left, right and centre.


I wanted to try fully synthetic for a change so tried this stuff out for quite a while now and i've been more than happy with it, with no issues whatsoever.
As long as the oil is changed within the recommended intervals then you shouldn't have any problems. The 600's are given a 6000 mile recommendation, but me, along with quite a few others tend to change it around the 4000 mile mark, so paying over the odds for it isn't too appealing just because it has a fancy name on the container.
The semi synthetic is even cheaper, but if you haven't bought any already give this gear a go, i promise you won't be disappointed.  ;)


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-Fully-Synthetic-10W-40-10W40-Motorcycle-Oil-4-Stroke-JASO-MA2-10W-40-/111838862300?epid=0&hash=item1a0a1d9bdc:g:anIAAOSwHQ9WXgZf


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5L-10W40-Super-4T-Semi-Synthetic-Motorcycle-4-Stroke-Engine-Oil-5-LTR-/121799799494?hash=item1c5bd572c6:g:PMMAAOSwoydWj6~Y


Why are you changing it sooner than recommended? Do you doubt the oil quality, or some other reason?

API SL and JASO MA2 seem very promissing.

What's the (not petrol station rip off) price of Motul 7100 10w40 in the UK?



Just something i've always done, i don't do a lot of mileage really so it's not as often as you'd think, probably once a year so it's no problem.
I consider it time to change it around the 4000 mark, but also know i'm in no hurry and it's not an urgency.
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« Reply #9 on: 25 September 2017, 11:42:17 am »
For those looking to break into the MotoVLogging ting.....

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GoPro HERO Session Full HD Action Cam [Built in Wi-Fi / Bluetooth / Waterproof upto 10M] now £139 @ Argos (2 year guarantee)

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« Reply #10 on: 05 October 2017, 08:59:11 pm »
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« Reply #11 on: 06 October 2017, 01:34:41 pm »
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« Reply #12 on: 06 October 2017, 06:07:23 pm »
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« Reply #13 on: 06 October 2017, 06:55:40 pm »
Good price here on a blackshadow rear disc that fits the FZS600. British made to boot  :)


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Monster-Supersport-ST2-ST4-ST3-wavy-wavey-rear-disc-Blackshadow-uk-/292272142575?hash=item440cc6f8ef



You sure it fits?



I hope so cos I've bought one!



I've been on the lookout for a new rear disc, i just can't stand the thought of going through all the grief of changing it though after the last one turned into a nightmare.
It's okay for now but it will need changing soon.
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« Reply #14 on: 06 October 2017, 07:06:10 pm »
Good price here on a blackshadow rear disc that fits the FZS600. British made to boot  :)


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Monster-Supersport-ST2-ST4-ST3-wavy-wavey-rear-disc-Blackshadow-uk-/292272142575?hash=item440cc6f8ef



You sure it fits?



I hope so cos I've bought one!



I've been on the lookout for a new rear disc, i just can't stand the thought of going through all the grief of changing it though after the last one turned into a nightmare.
It's okay for now but it will need changing soon.


What happened?

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« Reply #15 on: 06 October 2017, 07:30:44 pm »
Good price here on a blackshadow rear disc that fits the FZS600. British made to boot  :)


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ducati-Monster-Supersport-ST2-ST4-ST3-wavy-wavey-rear-disc-Blackshadow-uk-/292272142575?hash=item440cc6f8ef



You sure it fits?



I hope so cos I've bought one!



I've been on the lookout for a new rear disc, i just can't stand the thought of going through all the grief of changing it though after the last one turned into a nightmare.
It's okay for now but it will need changing soon.


What happened?



Every bolt refused to budge apart from one, which i got half way out with brute force, then it snapped off in the wheel hub.
I did try heat at the time, although maybe just not enough, but as i needed the bike on the road asap for work i came to the conclusion that a new wheel with the tyre swapped onto it was the quickest and cheapest option rather than pay for someone to try and remove the bolts then maybe find out it was a waste of time and money.
Because of the direct heat transfer to the fixed disc when braking the bolts fuse themselves to the wheel hub making them a major headache to remove.
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« Reply #16 on: 07 October 2017, 04:24:18 am »
The disc bolts should have thread-lock on them which makes them difficult to undo. You need to give each bolt plenty of heat to release the thread-lock. They are still a devil to get undone and normally make a good crack noise when they start to turn.
When you put a new disc on it's best to also use new bolts with thread-lock, you can use your old bolts if they came out ok and the Allen bolt heads haven't gone sloppy but new ones don't add too much to the cost and I've always thought that bolts that have been heated are weaker which is not a good idea on the most important part of your bike.

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« Reply #17 on: 07 October 2017, 09:26:47 am »
The disc bolts should have thread-lock on them which makes them difficult to undo. You need to give each bolt plenty of heat to release the thread-lock. They are still a devil to get undone and normally make a good crack noise when they start to turn.
When you put a new disc on it's best to also use new bolts with thread-lock, you can use your old bolts if they came out ok and the Allen bolt heads haven't gone sloppy but new ones don't add too much to the cost and I've always thought that bolts that have been heated are weaker which is not a good idea on the most important part of your bike.


All good stuff thanks. I'm going to enlist the help of a car mechanic mate with a gas bottlle, lets hope it's a straightforward job.  :)
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« Reply #18 on: 07 October 2017, 02:14:40 pm »
The disc bolts should have thread-lock on them which makes them difficult to undo. You need to give each bolt plenty of heat to release the thread-lock. They are still a devil to get undone and normally make a good crack noise when they start to turn.
When you put a new disc on it's best to also use new bolts with thread-lock, you can use your old bolts if they came out ok and the Allen bolt heads haven't gone sloppy but new ones don't add too much to the cost and I've always thought that bolts that have been heated are weaker which is not a good idea on the most important part of your bike.


Firstly, do they even need threadlock, 'cos i seriously cannot imagine them ever coming loose if torqued properly?
And secondly, as the disc is being changed, would it not be a great idea to take the bike for a spin and use a lot of rear brake, because that will heat all the disc bolts up anyway!
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« Reply #19 on: 07 October 2017, 02:41:07 pm »
You really need a blow torch on them so they're really hot.
I use thread-lock because the bike manufacturers do. They're renowned for cutting down on grease etc so if the disk bolts didn't need thread-lock they wouldn't put it on.

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« Reply #20 on: 07 October 2017, 03:49:25 pm »
You really need a blow torch on them so they're really hot.
I use thread-lock because the bike manufacturers do. They're renowned for cutting down on grease etc so if the disk bolts didn't need thread-lock they wouldn't put it on.


Yep I'm hoping I can find a wee bottle of triple 2 that I can 'borrow' from work
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« Reply #21 on: 09 October 2017, 11:51:59 am »
I fitted new discs a month or two ago. Blow torch and heat is definitely the way to go. You don't need them red hot (they would be softer when cooled) but a minute or two for each bolt.

You'll need to shield your bearings from the heat. I used an oil filter wrench thing with foil inside it just sat over the top of the bearings.

And also good whack or two with a hammer or rubber mallet straight down on to your allen attachment to shock them.

They should then come out fine.

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« Reply #22 on: 09 October 2017, 01:17:05 pm »
 
Firstly, do they even need threadlock, 'cos i seriously cannot imagine them ever coming loose if torqued properly?
And secondly, as the disc is being changed, would it not be a great idea to take the bike for a spin and use a lot of rear brake, because that will heat all the disc bolts up anyway!
Agreed, threadlock is not necessary in my view. I've used Copaslip when I change the discs and they haven't unscrewed themselves.


As for the rear disc heating the screws and wheel hub, it just doesn't.
Well, no more than a few degrees anyway.
Steel is a lousy conductor so most of the heat is lost to the air directly from the disc. What little does get there is then distributed rapidly through the whole wheel (aluminium is an excellent conductor), so it never gets the bolts any more than tepid.

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« Reply #23 on: 09 October 2017, 03:33:09 pm »
Firstly, do they even need threadlock, 'cos i seriously cannot imagine them ever coming loose if torqued properly?
And secondly, as the disc is being changed, would it not be a great idea to take the bike for a spin and use a lot of rear brake, because that will heat all the disc bolts up anyway!
Agreed, threadlock is not necessary in my view. I've used Copaslip when I change the discs and they haven't unscrewed themselves.


As for the rear disc heating the screws and wheel hub, it just doesn't.
Well, no more than a few degrees anyway.
Steel is a lousy conductor so most of the heat is lost to the air directly from the disc. What little does get there is then distributed rapidly through the whole wheel (aluminium is an excellent conductor), so it never gets the bolts any more than tepid.

I can totally understand manufacturers using thread lock, they're simply covering their arse in the very unlikely event that a bolt might unscrew, plus they don't have to remove the buggers either so probably smear plenty of the strong stuff on it too.
It's quite possible the disc I tried removing was the OEM one so maybe that's why it was so difficult?
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« Reply #24 on: 09 October 2017, 04:05:54 pm »
Firstly, do they even need threadlock, 'cos i seriously cannot imagine them ever coming loose if torqued properly?
And secondly, as the disc is being changed, would it not be a great idea to take the bike for a spin and use a lot of rear brake, because that will heat all the disc bolts up anyway!
Agreed, threadlock is not necessary in my view. I've used Copaslip when I change the discs and they haven't unscrewed themselves.


As for the rear disc heating the screws and wheel hub, it just doesn't.
Well, no more than a few degrees anyway.
Steel is a lousy conductor so most of the heat is lost to the air directly from the disc. What little does get there is then distributed rapidly through the whole wheel (aluminium is an excellent conductor), so it never gets the bolts any more than tepid.

I can totally understand manufacturers using thread lock, they're simply covering their arse in the very unlikely event that a bolt might unscrew, plus they don't have to remove the buggers either so probably smear plenty of the strong stuff on it too.
It's quite possible the disc I tried removing was the OEM one so maybe that's why it was so difficult?
I think some types of threadlock continue to get stronger with age. Front discs are less of a problem because they wear out quicker, but the rear can easily be 15 years old before it needs changing. That also gives plenty of time for moisture to creep in and cause corrosion.