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cutting out
« on: 25 July 2017, 07:24:43 pm »
ok folks heres a damn annoying one.
i have a 02 series 2 fzs 600. full history, really good nick with 46 k on it.   well it started cutting out after a 5 min ride. loses spark. after a few mins it will start again and ride perfectly for a few miles then cuts out again. it will go all day like this, a few miles then leave for 5 mins, etc etc. it cranks perfectly.   
i thought it may have been heat related so left it at 4000 rpm for 20 mins on my drive, fan cut in and out as it should but bike didnt cut out. thought it may be bad connections so checked every connector plug, all perfectly clean and healthy.


help. im going nuts

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Re: cutting out
« Reply #1 on: 25 July 2017, 08:32:18 pm »

Did you check the connectors and loom in the tail?
I had an occasional misfire that was impossible to track down until it cut out permanently on the motorway one night… turned out to be one of the link plugs, or rather a wire to it, had chafed against the frame and got cut.
Another common place for the same sort of issue is the wiring to the ignition switch as this has to flex with the steering.
My guess would be the former though if it's only the sparks dying and not all the electrics.

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Re: cutting out
« Reply #2 on: 25 July 2017, 09:11:40 pm »
Another possibility is a dodgy sidestand switch.

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Re: cutting out
« Reply #3 on: 25 July 2017, 10:44:54 pm »
Have you 100% confirmed that it has no spark? Ask Red98 about his regulator rectifier :lol Yours could be over heating.

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Re: cutting out
« Reply #4 on: 26 July 2017, 08:11:32 am »
Is it definitely losing the spark?

Have you had the tank up recently and kinked the breather pipes? This will cause the bike to cut out after a few miles through fuel starvation and then allow it to restart when the vacuum releases. Quick test is next time it cuts out, open the fuel cap slowly with your ear next to the cap. If you get a hiss, you have a vacuum.
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Re: cutting out
« Reply #5 on: 26 July 2017, 08:53:27 am »
yeah definitely losing spark. checked the whole loom for bad connections.
side stand switch would cut cranking as well wouldn't it ? if I leave it for 5 mins the spark returns but it doesn't play up if I leave it on high idle on the drive.

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Re: cutting out
« Reply #6 on: 26 July 2017, 09:20:41 am »
Possible dirty/poor contacts on the kill switch ?
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Re: cutting out
« Reply #7 on: 26 July 2017, 09:26:30 am »
When idling on your drive is the bike on centre or side stand?
Do you lose sparks to all plugs?
These intermittent probs are a bugger to sort most times because of the source of the problem can only be tracked whist it's playing up, if after 5 mins it fires up again does not give you much time to check/trace the problem.
Can't be a coil breaking down otherwise it would do it while idling/4K revs on driveway.
Does the bike have an immobiliser fitted?


Thinking back to a coil pack breakdown, I understand the FZS has two coil packs, one coil serves two plugs, would a FZS 600 actually run on just two cylinders/one coil?


It would appear by you experiments so far not to be heat related, the only other forces or elements involved are windforce, movement/rise and fall of suspension or flexing/swinging arm, steering.
Try sitting on the bike while on drive with the bike ticking over/4K revs, on the stand then off the stand then turning steering to the left and right, then bouncing up and down, if you do one of the actions at a time it should eliminated the possible issue. If one action does appear to be the fault try it several time to ensure it was not just coincidentle.


This is an interesting prob please keep us updated as the resolution will a good one for the FZS 600 armoury.
« Last Edit: 26 July 2017, 10:00:40 am by tommyardin »

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Re: cutting out
« Reply #8 on: 26 July 2017, 12:31:26 pm »
cut out switch cuts crank as well so not that.
I have tried bouncing it around and turning bars side to side while on drive.
so bloody annoying. does anyone know if the throttle position sensor cuts spark or just fuel?
only other thing I thought of was that I changed the head lamp bulbs recently to brighter ones. same wattage etc. ???
always happens to me. I could strip the bike and rebuild it blindfolded but electrical issues just do me. will keep you all posted.

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Re: cutting out
« Reply #9 on: 26 July 2017, 01:49:01 pm »
what voltages are you getting?

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Re: cutting out
« Reply #10 on: 26 July 2017, 01:57:53 pm »
check the pickup is not breaking down when it gets hot.

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Re: cutting out
« Reply #11 on: 26 July 2017, 02:29:41 pm »
where abouts are you mate
there may be someone local who might be willing to come and give you a hand checking things over
- i know i will if nearby cause im curious as hell about this one