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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #1 on: 23 May 2017, 07:31:02 AM »
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj1hcixqIXUAhUKPBQKHRMgA3wQqUMIMTAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fuk-news%2Flive%2F2017%2Fmay%2F22%2Fmanchester-arena-ariana-grande-concert-explosion-england&usg=AFQjCNEJG9wOQxPRHX2osROmHzst-37k_w&sig2=F35fIbUBiy_U15OnG8S4tg

We need to really ask ourselves if religion has a place in the 21st century

As much as I agree with you in terms of religion having no place in a modern world,  this isnt anything to do with it.
This is just sadistic fuck wits which want to cause harm and make a name for themselves. And I can guarantee within
 hours 'Islamic state' will claim responsibility even though they had no hand in it.
It's a very upsetting time to have children on this planet, their future doesn't look great :-(
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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #2 on: 23 May 2017, 07:31:42 AM »
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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #3 on: 23 May 2017, 07:34:49 AM »
It's not a "possible" terror attack, it was a scumbag suicide bomber, loaded with bolts and screws, who at least fortunately died in the process.
No need to ask my thoughts on religion, but you might have a couple of billion people to convince otherwise.


Thoughts go out to anyone affected, just so pointless.  :(
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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #4 on: 23 May 2017, 08:44:55 AM »
What more can you say?
It makes you sick to your stomach to think that a human being can bring about such horrific injuries to another, as Darrsi said most likely a shrapnel type bomb designed not just to kill in the local explosion zone but to send out pieces of red hot metal like bullets in every direction causing as much harm as possible.
Why there are violent acts like this I will never understand, but it seems to be people trying to force their will over others, this is not converting anyone to your way of thinking or belief system it is mindless murder. To what gain? I have yet to understand. Thoughts and prayers to those who have lost loved ones and those who are injured.


We have recently had a post on foc-u about Brady the moors murderer, this bastard in Manchester last night took many more lives than he did, both I feel both have now got what they deserved.
I don't think many will mourn either of their passing.
My family and I are all off to the USA this coming Monday to visit my son in St Louis, Missouri, my wife is now all figity about flying.
I heard someone say that there is no such thing as a hoax bomb scare, the bomb my be a hoax but the scare is just the same for those involved, terror.

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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #5 on: 23 May 2017, 08:58:22 AM »
It's not a "possible" terror attack, it was a scumbag suicide bomber, loaded with bolts and screws, who at least fortunately died in the process.


Whilst I wouldn't want to waste taxpayers money on supporting this scumbag whilst he claimed we had infringed his humam rights etc, he has got away far to easily.
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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #6 on: 23 May 2017, 11:24:36 AM »
What more can you say?
It makes you sick to your stomach to think that a human being can bring about such horrific injuries to another, as Darrsi said most likely a shrapnel type bomb designed not just to kill in the local explosion zone but to send out pieces of red hot metal like bullets in every direction causing as much harm as possible.
Why there are violent acts like this I will never understand, but it seems to be people trying to force their will over others, this is not converting anyone to your way of thinking or belief system it is mindless murder. To what gain? I have yet to understand. Thoughts and prayers to those who have lost loved ones and those who are injured.


We have recently had a post on foc-u about Brady the moors murderer, this bastard in Manchester last night took many more lives than he did, both I feel both have now got what they deserved.
I don't think many will mourn either of their passing.
My family and I are all off to the USA this coming Monday to visit my son in St Louis, Missouri, my wife is now all figity about flying.
I heard someone say that there is no such thing as a hoax bomb scare, the bomb my be a hoax but the scare is just the same for those involved, terror.

That's the worst part about all this, there is no gain whatsoever.
He hasn't got one over on an army during battle, or even a government, he's just devastated the lives of totally innocent families on a night out, it's just utterly pointless?
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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #7 on: 23 May 2017, 05:36:39 PM »
Absolutely sickening and to achieve what purpose?
All these attacks do is heighten fear & tension between citizens of whatever religious/political persuasion they happen to believe to be right. I have no time for religion(man made designed to control people) but I do know that the main tenet of all major religions is "Love your neighbour as yourself" or words to that effect.
What can be more inhumane & hypocritical than to maim, torture & destroy other lives in the name of some god or belief system? We have been doing it to another since time began.
Cant help thinking that British "action" in collaboration with the USA against other countries which involved what they euphemistically term "collateral damage" has increased the threat of reprisals here in the UK as in Paris etc.
I believe also that the people responsible for a lot of this hatred including Tony Blair should have been made accountable through the courts for what was an illegal war.
The problem remains that a lot of money is made by the armaments industry who obviously have a vested interest in continuing strife around the world.
That  bomb attack could so easily have happened in my home city-I have grandaughters the same age as some of those innocent children killed & maimed in Manchester.

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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #8 on: 23 May 2017, 06:36:58 PM »
Totally agree with you. People have the right to believe in whatever they want and I respect that but when their beliefs lead to terrorism and murder who in their right mind can agree with it. These religious fanatics are brain washed and very dangerous. Bad people do bad things but religion is the only thing that makes good people do bad things. Man made God, God didn't make man. My heart goes out to all the families that lost loved ones.

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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #9 on: 23 May 2017, 07:06:41 PM »

What the Foc is going on in this world it makes me sick, defenceless innocent people out for a good time. Families who where affected by this cruel act will have to live with this for the rest of their lives.


Enough is enough forget Syria forget Afghanistan forget the Middle East it's time we shut our borders and redeploy the troops to seek out the enemy within our own community's my heart goes out to the families who have lost someone or have been injured at Manchester Arena
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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #10 on: 23 May 2017, 10:24:43 PM »

Absolutely sickening and to achieve what purpose?
All these attacks do is heighten fear & tension between citizens of whatever religious/political persuasion they happen to believe to be right. I have no time for religion(man made designed to control people) but I do know that the main tenet of all major religions is "Love your neighbour as yourself" or words to that effect.
What can be more inhumane & hypocritical than to maim, torture & destroy other lives in the name of some god or belief system? We have been doing it to another since time began.
Cant help thinking that British "action" in collaboration with the USA against other countries which involved what they euphemistically term "collateral damage" has increased the threat of reprisals here in the UK as in Paris etc.
I believe also that the people responsible for a lot of this hatred including Tony Blair should have been made accountable through the courts for what was an illegal war.
The problem remains that a lot of money is made by the armaments industry who obviously have a vested interest in continuing strife around the world.
That  bomb attack could so easily have happened in my home city-I have grandaughters the same age as some of those innocent children killed & maimed in Manchester.


Please tell why Tony Blair ?why not Thatcher why not also mention Cameron, getting tiring now blaming Blair for everything.Thatcher & Major first gulf war. Cameron assisted in the removal of Gaddfi which as we all know has lead to the mass influx of Africans deciding to have a Mediterranean cruise,and holiday in Italy.
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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #11 on: 23 May 2017, 10:41:50 PM »


Enough is enough forget Syria forget Afghanistan forget the Middle East it's time we shut our borders and redeploy the troops to seek out the enemy within our own community's my heart goes out to the families who have lost someone or have been injured at Manchester Arena
Seems like you have got part of your wish - the threat level has been raised to severe and in doing so has released armed troops on the streets. All we need to do now is get proper full control of our borders - immigration and asylum but wait - the british public have already said that is what they want, forget the silly scaremongering about voting for more austerity and less workers rights because this threat unlike those is real and if less rights and more austerity is the price to pay then I will gladly pay it - rather pay with £ than with blood.
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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #12 on: 23 May 2017, 11:08:04 PM »
my heart goes out to everyone affected by the tragedy especially those families that have lost their loved ones, I don't know how I'd react if I lost my loved ones.

fazersharp....hear what you're saying but don't fall into the trap of excepting security at any cost.....HMG will default to austerity to justify their  means. We have/need more investment in our emergency services/security (MI 5/6, specialist Police armed response/SF) to up the ante
we can all be more vigilant but we don't need to be kept under to do it, we're the 6th most prosperous nation.....we have the money, HMG chooses not to spend it where its needed
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« Reply #13 on: 24 May 2017, 08:18:28 AM »
I think if our governments learned to take care of our own business instead of interfering in other countries politics we'd be in a lot better place.

We were all shocked and disgusted at Mondays terror attack but how many shed a tear when our armed forces, under direction of Bush and Blair, directly or indirectly killed thousands every day. Of course we did it in the name of peace so thats OK, like we can indiscriminately kill men women and children without fear of repercussion as we had the moral high ground.

Remember the first night of shock and awe, sixty five cruise missiles slammed into Baghdad and the ensuing carnage was broadcast to the work like some sick fireworks display, I can't begin to imagine the terror of that bombardment, and that was just the start. That battle is still being fought on the streets of Iraqi, women and children still paying the price of our governments actions and we wonder why we are now spending untold millions on security to try to prevent terrorist attacks that we may have asked for.

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« Reply #14 on: 24 May 2017, 08:46:54 AM »

Absolutely sickening and to achieve what purpose?
All these attacks do is heighten fear & tension between citizens of whatever religious/political persuasion they happen to believe to be right. I have no time for religion(man made designed to control people) but I do know that the main tenet of all major religions is "Love your neighbour as yourself" or words to that effect.
What can be more inhumane & hypocritical than to maim, torture & destroy other lives in the name of some god or belief system? We have been doing it to another since time began.
Cant help thinking that British "action" in collaboration with the USA against other countries which involved what they euphemistically term "collateral damage" has increased the threat of reprisals here in the UK as in Paris etc.
I believe also that the people responsible for a lot of this hatred including Tony Blair should have been made accountable through the courts for what was an illegal war.
The problem remains that a lot of money is made by the armaments industry who obviously have a vested interest in continuing strife around the world.
That  bomb attack could so easily have happened in my home city-I have grandaughters the same age as some of those innocent children killed & maimed in Manchester.


Please tell why Tony Blair ?why not Thatcher why not also mention Cameron, getting tiring now blaming Blair for everything.Thatcher & Major first gulf war. Cameron assisted in the removal of Gaddfi which as we all know has lead to the mass influx of Africans deciding to have a Mediterranean cruise,and holiday in Italy.


Lew I said "the people responsible".... of course this list would have to include those you mention. Perhaps Blair is top of my list since he picks up megabucks as a "f*****g PEACE ENVOY"! FFS
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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #15 on: 24 May 2017, 10:15:54 AM »

Sorry Fazersharp misread,

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« Reply #16 on: 24 May 2017, 12:14:18 PM »



Enough is enough forget Syria forget Afghanistan forget the Middle East it's time we shut our borders and redeploy the troops to seek out the enemy within our own community's my heart goes out to the families who have lost someone or have been injured at Manchester Arena
Seems like you have got part of your wish - the threat level has been raised to severe and in doing so has released armed troops on the streets. All we need to do now is get proper full control of our borders - immigration and asylum but wait - the british public have already said that is what they want, forget the silly scaremongering about voting for more austerity and less workers rights because this threat unlike those is real and if less rights and more austerity is the price to pay then I will gladly pay it - rather pay with £ than with blood.


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I was actually agreeing with you and supporting you
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« Reply #17 on: 24 May 2017, 09:34:05 PM »


Absolutely sickening and to achieve what purpose?
All these attacks do is heighten fear & tension between citizens of whatever religious/political persuasion they happen to believe to be right. I have no time for religion(man made designed to control people) but I do know that the main tenet of all major religions is "Love your neighbour as yourself" or words to that effect.
What can be more inhumane & hypocritical than to maim, torture & destroy other lives in the name of some god or belief system? We have been doing it to another since time began.
Cant help thinking that British "action" in collaboration with the USA against other countries which involved what they euphemistically term "collateral damage" has increased the threat of reprisals here in the UK as in Paris etc.
I believe also that the people responsible for a lot of this hatred including Tony Blair should have been made accountable through the courts for what was an illegal war.
The problem remains that a lot of money is made by the armaments industry who obviously have a vested interest in continuing strife around the world.
That  bomb attack could so easily have happened in my home city-I have grandaughters the same age as some of those innocent children killed & maimed in Manchester.


Please tell why Tony Blair ?why not Thatcher why not also mention Cameron, getting tiring now blaming Blair for everything.Thatcher & Major first gulf war. Cameron assisted in the removal of Gaddfi which as we all know has lead to the mass influx of Africans deciding to have a Mediterranean cruise,and holiday in Italy.


Lew I said "the people responsible".... of course this list would have to include those you mention. Perhaps Blair is top of my list since he picks up megabucks as a "f*****g PEACE ENVOY"! FFS
Dave do your self a favour and see how Blair spends his mega bucks for f---k sake. Did Thatcher set up a fund to help disabled service personal? No when she had her service celebrating the victory in the Falklands she insisted the DAMAGED service men be sat at the back of the Cathtedral so as to avoid them being viewed as the TV were covering the event.


According to the South Atlantic Medal Association support group more veterans have committed suicide since the war than died during the fighting. All this agony was to save the political face of Tory prime minister Margaret Thatcher, and to show that Britain was still a world player.
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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #18 on: 24 May 2017, 11:47:26 PM »
We all have a say and opinions, some differ from others, and that OK, but the common uniting fact is that we all agree that something must be done to lessen the opportunities for these bastards to harm innocents, of course we should.


But we as a nation should hang our heads in shame as during 'The British Empire' and since, we have carried out terrible, wicked, violent acts around the world under the name of Christianity.
Now whether you give any credence to Christianity is a matter of individual choice. But some of the abuse our country has metered out to others is not and should not be under the guise of Christianity, its mostly about money and the financial abuse of those who were deemed weaker or of less value. Great Britain as we were once known
(Now United Kingdom, that is a joke in itself) have been leaders in the past when it comes to violence.
I fear in many ways we are reaping what we have sewn, I'm not saying it is right or that or that we should lay down and roll over and accept it, but, we should look at the way we as a Nation conducted ourselves in the past, try and make amends, apologise where we are able and also return financially where it is possible.


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« Reply #19 on: 25 May 2017, 10:07:59 AM »

Tommy I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but it was not the common man in the UK that suddenly said let's go and build an Empire. The common man was told what to do by the Landed Gentry , Kings and Queens , Lords & Ladies and they are still living of the plunder that took place during that so called glorious period in our bloody history.
For fecks sake the 1st world war was all about the Kings & Queens of Europe falling out , The Kaiser was pissed off because his dick was not as big as his cousins George's  dick. I am not a commie by any stretch of the imagination but the Bolsheviks perhaps went a bit to far in whacking their royals but it sorted the royals out for sure.



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“In Russia live Russians.  Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak  Russian, and should respect the Russian laws.  If they prefer Sharia Law, and live the life of Muslims then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law.  Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture.  We had better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and  France, if we are to survive as a nation.  The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia.   The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of  Sharia Law and Muslims.  When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it  should have in mind the Russian national interest first, observing that the Muslim
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 Concerning our pussy footing around the terror threat here in the UK and all over the EU who is getting tired of the same old Line . THE BOMBER WAS KNOWN TO THE AUTHOURITIES. The PC brigade jump on the wagon and spout on about human rights and this is why these scumbags walk amongst us day in and day out.
This pricks are being radicalised here in the schools and mosques by preachers who preach nothing but hate, but perhaps the Moslims have learnt from the Christian faith or elements within the Christian faith,  The Jesuit maxim "Give me a child for his first seven years and I'll give you the man" surely this is a form of radicalisation
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« Reply #20 on: 25 May 2017, 11:36:55 AM »
Good post lew, could not agree more with a lot you also said.


Whether we like it or not, we the Brits are seen by a lot of the world as the has-been-bullies, those that ruled the British Empire with a rod of iron, who not only raped their lands but often their women to, of course not everyone  who was British operated like that but I'm afraid we are all grouped together because of our title 'British' that is what we are, there is no discrimination between us, we are seen as no different to the Masters and Gentry as you rightly pointed out were the implementers of the Empire and our Goverment went along because it suited them and filled the coffers. So really there is no discrimination between us, those that do as they are told and the tellers, we are all British.
Just like there is no discriminated when a zealot or a mad crazed wicked bastard sets off a bomb in an arena with thousands of children in it, it takes out innocent children both Muslim and Christian.
I honestly don't think that any of the contributors to this discussion are very far from each other in our thinking when it come to the push. But what do we do about is armed police and military walking our streets carrying automatic weapons the answer?  A idiot with a well aimed brick can get possession of and automatic weapon that can possibly fire off a hundred rounds a minute. Fucked if I know. What I do know is that I am sorry for what has lead to all this hatred and it is our children that will bear most of the brunt of it, I'm 70 and likely to go on for another ten or fifteen years my son and daughter and their children have to go on living with it and to be honest I fear it is not going to go away but most likely esculate.
Right I have now completely depressed myself where the fuck did I put that length of rope. :'(

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« Reply #21 on: 25 May 2017, 06:09:48 PM »
Why is it that the Police have the powers to seize the passports of known troublemakers during football tournaments , but allow the 3000 known Jihadists to travel hither and thither , I won't say what I would do to these scum on a social platform as big brother is watching .

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Re: Possible terror attack Manchester
« Reply #22 on: 25 May 2017, 06:13:16 PM »
There was a post I saw on faceache today.

It took days for laws to be changed to make Kodi box type devices illegal to use in the way that most people use them but its taken years to get nowhere with preventing known (or suspected) terrorists from coming into the country.
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« Reply #23 on: 25 May 2017, 07:09:48 PM »
There was a post I saw on faceache today.

It took days for laws to be changed to make Kodi box type devices illegal to use in the way that most people use them but its taken years to get nowhere with preventing known (or suspected) terrorists from coming into the country.

That's because greedy fat cat corporations were losing out on millions of pounds worth of revenue, much more Important than innocent lives.

My problem with the reposonse to all these 'terrorists' attacks is that having armed guards/soldiers would have not changed a thing about what happened Monday night. It wouldn't have mattered if they had tanks parked either side of the entrance, wouldn't have mattered if they had metal detectors on the doors, NOTHING would have stopped that asshat doing what he was gonna do.
Putting the army on the streets does nothing more than intimidate the innocent and help keep US in check.
A suicide bomber has already come to terms with the fact they are gonna die so they aren't gonna be bothered who's got a gun as long as they can press their button.

Not to get all tinfoil hat on you but it does seem like there's a higher agenda here. Much like in America after 9/11 they pushed through massive amounts of laws that stripped people of their privacy in the name of keeping the country safe.
They've already started here with the snoopers charter. What's next though? How long before we all have to carry ID? How long before you have to be searched before entering shopping centers/schools/libraries etc? Before your privacy is taken away in the name of 'security'? The harsh truth is 'terrorism' is very good for governments when they have an agenda to push.

And on a final note, The truest words I've heard from a celebrity in my life, I've never thought much of Morrissey but this time he's bang on.......

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« Reply #24 on: 25 May 2017, 09:40:24 PM »
Arrest  the 3000 known Jihadists fit it a small explosive charge inserted by their carotid artery , that detonated when they walk out the front door , no need for soldiers on the streets , deportation or POW camps.