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Re: How much is your FZS 1000 worth?
« Reply #50 on: 19 January 2019, 04:52:00 pm »
We've all heard about Fazers that have done 100K+ miles without any problems, but you frequently see posts asking for low milers, as though thats a good thing. My thoughts are always WTF has it been doing over the last 15 years or so. Corrosion doesn't stop because you don't use the bike, fuel gums up the carbs and so on, I'd rather have a bike that gets used regularly and is looked after.


The value of mine against something else would be negligable, so I'll continue to keep it in as good condition as i can and run it into the ground. Who knows, in twenty years time it really might be a classic and worth something, but I probably won't be around to see it!

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« Reply #51 on: 19 January 2019, 06:45:38 pm »
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The price of a new bike for me is now totally out of range  and the ridiculous second hand prices are just getting beyond me also.Don't see me selling my FZS any time soon, in fact this may be the last bike I ever own. The only reason I can see to move on is the weight of the bike being a  issue in the future with my back problems.
Just wandering if the price of bikes will fall if and properly when the financial crisis hits us. Will this increase the price of the FZS or not?
PCP :D   Dealers treat anybody who walks through the door as a potential new bike sale.  And they seem to hate anybody who can actually afford to purchase what they are selling (ie cash buyers).

I reckon new bike prices have risen about 20% since June 2016.  Also importers are trying to hide the true cost.  Gone is the free 600 mile service.  Many now quote the sale price and not the on the road price.  Anything now to hold back that ticket price.


This inevitably drags up used values.  If we foc up and the economy nose dives, well new bike prices will rise further, used prices will rise and dealers will be going bust left right and centre. 


Talking of dealers.  Apparently 2018 was a good year.  Maybe it was the good weather, but they bucked the price rises.  I think 2019 could be a tough year for the trade.

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« Reply #52 on: 19 January 2019, 09:48:12 pm »
Its all about the pcp deals aint it lol. personally, that wouldn't be for me, with bikes I like to feel I actually own it not rent it.My daughter traded a perfectly lovely car worth two grand as a deposit for a pcp deal on a car she will have to give back after three years and payments of £280 a month..makes no sense to me. Ive seen fazers on the bay with 90k plus that still run perfick, so I'm guessing/hoping my silver dream machine (good old david Essex huh) will outlive me

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« Reply #53 on: 19 January 2019, 11:01:21 pm »
 
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Its all about the pcp deals aint it lol. personally, that wouldn't be for me, with bikes I like to feel I actually own it not rent it.My daughter traded a perfectly lovely car worth two grand as a deposit for a pcp deal on a car she will have to give back after three years and payments of £280 a month..makes no sense to me. Ive seen fazers on the bay with 90k plus that still run perfick, so I'm guessing/hoping my silver dream machine (good old david Essex huh) will outlive me


 I think it all depends on the deal.  I looked at the finance deal for the MT10, but Yamaha are charging 8.9% APR.  Umm no thanks.
 
But Honda offers both 0% finance on PCP and HP.  Some dealers are offering a grand off and 0%.  Now if you like the bike that makes sense doesn’t it?  Even if you have the cash you’re gonna take one of those 0% options, unless you can find a dealer to give you 2k off.


The 0% HP is 279 a month for 36 months on a £2255.15 deposit, and that’s the plus model on the list price.  And you can stick the service package on the PCP or HP.


Honda seems to be set up to sell em at the mo.
 
 

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« Reply #54 on: 19 January 2019, 11:21:01 pm »
you seriously thinking of changing your bike mate? or running another alongside it? the mt-10 is I should imagine a cracking tool, and as muc as I hate to admit it, rider aids would be helpful now im old, blind etc etc :lol

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« Reply #55 on: 20 January 2019, 01:38:58 pm »
 Don’t think having bought the thou new in 2004 I could now part with it.  But she is looking a little tired and could do with a wee tidy up.
 
But hey I haven’t bought a bike since 2004!  So yeah I’m tempted.  Though I have a hard time getting my head round the prices.  They have increased sharply since ******.
 
I want the same kind of bike again.  An all-rounder.  So MT10 is a possibility.  It ticks a lot of boxes.  But I am a bit wary cos it’s portrayed by so many as something of an animal.  Looks wise, it’s grown on me.  So many crap looking bikes these days.
 
Talking of an ugly ducking growing into a swan.  Well the new CB1000R looks lovely.  I mean it’s a smashing looking bike.  It’s not got MT10 power but 143hp is more than enough.  Much much better deals on the Honda, but then maybe it won’t hold it’s value like the MT10. 
 
I guess that’s two I should test ride.
 

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« Reply #56 on: 20 January 2019, 02:59:23 pm »
the only new un that would tempt me is the trumpet speed twin. Its come out cheaper than I thought it would be too. But I'm dreaming, unless circumstances change. Theres been some issues with that cb1000r...one of the fellers on the cb13forum (Simon) has a mate with one, and its off the road at the mo with a fault thats affected a few that Honda won't sort out. I dunno the details, but probably worth checking out. The mt-10 is a brilliant bike by all accounts, but I just don't dig all that plastic on the front end.

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« Reply #57 on: 20 January 2019, 04:04:05 pm »
 Yeah I thought the street twin looked great when it came out.  But where was the full bhuna option.  So yeah the Speed Twin is tempting.
 
Hadn’t heard of any CB1000R issues other than a few comments about the paintwork marking.


 
Sitting on an MT10 everything feels right.  But I don’t want a bike that is impossible to ride normally, or constantly pulls wheelies every time you open the throttle.  But maybe it's all just hyped up.

 
I guess I should get out there an try some.
 

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« Reply #58 on: 20 January 2019, 04:58:19 pm »
its the only way to know for sure... :)

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Re: How much is your FZS 1000 worth?
« Reply #59 on: 20 January 2019, 06:05:19 pm »
 Yeah I guess.
Though test rides are short and usually on unfamiliar roads.
But maybe with bikes as sort of similar(ish) but distinctly different like the CB1000R and MT10 a wee test ride might just do the trick. 
I’ve googled for CB1000R issues but haven’t come up with anything other than those complaints about the paint. 
 

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« Reply #60 on: 20 January 2019, 09:34:48 pm »

this is the extract from the post mate. the talk about removing the wheel is to do with his cb13..reading it back I thin I misinterpreted it..its just his bike. Strange really, I mean, when do I ever get anything wrong... ;) ;)
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When replacing the wheel I did actually use an upside down shovel under the tyre as a sort of crude adjustable wedge..
Ideally you need to be born with three hands to do this job comfortably.
My mate has a Honda CB1000R and that is a delight to take the wheel off..
Its a single sided swing arm and the wheel is removed like you would remove a car wheel.. It leaves the chain AND the brakes alone and in situ..
That really is a brilliant design..
However all is not well in the CB1000R world..
My mate is having starting issues.. Its well known about on his forum but so far there are loads of theories but no one seems to have come up with the definite cure.. His bike is with Blackpool Honda at the moment, and it seems they are scratching their heads.. They've put new Iridium plugs in (Bike has done 21,000 miles) . I thought those VERY expensive plugs were meant to last ages ?? Still not cured though. I fear they are going to replace more and more parts till they "happen" upon a faulty part.

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Re: How much is your FZS 1000 worth?
« Reply #61 on: 20 January 2019, 10:09:42 pm »
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My mate has a Honda CB1000R and that is a delight to take the wheel off..
Its a single sided swing arm and the wheel is removed like you would remove a car wheel.. It leaves the chain AND the brakes alone and in situ..
That really is a brilliant design..
Gosh.  I thought you would have to slacken the chain to remove the wheel.  Another point for the CB1000R.  That is nice.
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However all is not well in the CB1000R world..
My mate is having starting issues.. Its well known about on his forum but so far there are loads of theories but no one seems to have come up with the definite cure.. His bike is with Blackpool Honda at the moment, and it seems they are scratching their heads.. They've put new Iridium plugs in (Bike has done 21,000 miles) . I thought those VERY expensive plugs were meant to last ages ?? Still not cured though. I fear they are going to replace more and more parts till they "happen" upon a faulty part.
Doesn’t sound good.  But that must be the previous model.  Though is it just his bike, or are others stuck with this problem?
Here's one with an end can and a tail tidy.  Looks sweet.


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« Reply #62 on: 20 January 2019, 10:14:49 pm »
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« Reply #63 on: 20 January 2019, 10:40:29 pm »
cant knock honda build quality. my 04 still cleans up like new, and its proper "built"

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« Reply #64 on: 20 January 2019, 11:15:58 pm »
Feb's issue of Bike magazine has a test on the CB1000R. It scored 8/10, the cons being a poor rear shock, difficulty in refuelling as the tank baffle is too near the filler, and lastly, chain adjustment is a bit of a ball ache. They viewed it as Hondas best naked bike.
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« Reply #65 on: 21 January 2019, 05:45:51 pm »
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cant knock honda build quality. my 04 still cleans up like new, and its proper "built"
Always thought the naked CB1300's are cracking looking bikes.I'm just a wee fella, so a bit on the big side fae me.
The new CB1000R feels really compact when you sit on it. Feels reasonably light too.
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Feb's issue of Bike magazine has a test on the CB1000R. It scored 8/10, the cons being a poor rear shock, difficulty in refuelling as the tank baffle is too near the filler, and lastly, chain adjustment is a bit of a ball ache. They viewed it as Hondas best naked bike.
Ta Robbo.  I'd guess if I bought one and it becomes a keeper I'd be reckoning on a new rear shock anyway.  Standard shocks are always something of a compromise.  Not heard of the fill up problem before - sounds odd.  On the Fazer thou with the scottoiler I only adjust the chain every 5-6K when I change the rear tyre.  And it looks like with the Honda I won't even have to bother. at all  Presumably the trick is to make sure the adjuster doesn't then seize.
But in the meantime I've still to shift the shingles.  Can't get a hat on at the mo, still quite a bit of discomfort.

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« Reply #66 on: 21 January 2019, 06:42:06 pm »
The chain adjustment problem is due to the inaccessability of the pinch bolts on the single sided swingarm, which are hidden between the disc, sprocket and numberplate hanger. But if you've already got a reasonable selection of tools, it can be overcome.
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« Reply #67 on: 21 January 2019, 06:58:10 pm »
I figure that number plate hanger has to go.  Dunno if that makes it easier.

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« Reply #68 on: 21 January 2019, 07:16:12 pm »
them 1300s are a good looking bike mate, but half the bike the fazer is for twice the money sadly lol. Og the current crop of nakeds the cb1000 certainly looks to be heading the pack, though I'd have a speed triple if I was looking fr summat new along those lines. Trumpets are expensive mind..

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« Reply #69 on: 21 January 2019, 08:44:14 pm »
The CB1300 must be doing something for you though seeing as you are hanging onto it.
Triumph Speed Triple and MT10 are very similar in price to the CB1000R.  A few folks have said though if you fancy the Triumph make sure you try the Street Triple as many reckon it's a better bike than the Speed.
I'm guessing most of the so called bike press will dismiss the Honda as being too civilised etc, not mental enougth etc.
I always said after getting the Fazer thou I'll never need more HP than this.  And the CB is rated at 143, it's more compact and lighter - so that should be more than enougth madness for me I think.


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« Reply #70 on: 21 January 2019, 09:03:02 pm »
the cbs a nostalgia thing really, I had my first one for five years back in me halcyon biking days. Ive got it for the same reason them that had z1s etc back in the day now want another. Sad but true. Having said that it is a bloody good bike..but the fazer is lighter, nimbler, quicker steering, easier to ride in the wet etc. and of course cheaper. The street triples of old were stunning to ride, they reckon the newer 765s are even better by some margin. plenty of choice mate if your definitely looking for a new un..

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« Reply #71 on: 21 January 2019, 09:15:16 pm »
you seriously thinking of changing your bike mate? or running another alongside it? the mt-10 is I should imagine a cracking tool, and as muc as I hate to admit it, rider aids would be helpful now im old, blind etc etc :lol


The MT10 is indeed a cracking tool. I’m lucky enough to have one sharing the garage space with my Gen1. Yamaha’s finance rate when I bought it new (March 2018) was at 9.9%apr I think. Not prepared to pay that interest, I did a 2yr 0% balance transfer to fund it after my deposit.


I got (I believe) a decent deal, £10400, only £400 more than the release price in 2016. If you compare that to the list price of £8200 or thereabouts, for the Gen1 when they were first released in 2001, it’s not bad going.


The MT seems to come out of the factory very firmly suspended. A small outlay for a suspension specialist to work his magic and it is much better. There is lots of adjustment available on the R1 suspension.


The riding position is more roomy than the standard Gen1, in terms of peg to seat height / knee bend. It’s a great bike, with fantastic power available throughout the range and it can definately bring out the hooligan in you. I tend to ride mine in power mode two and traction control two all of the time. The front still wants to come up if you’re aggressive with the throttle.


However even in power mode three, allegedly the softest of those available, it can still be a little snatchy going back on the throttle from closed.


It’s still not IMHO the depreciation proof, consummate allrounder that the Gen1 is though. Oh and you definately need the comfort seat at £270 extra! You have been warned. 😄


Im considering selling at the start of the season and getting myself a second really nice condition Gen1. Mine runs really nicely and has all of the right mods, but needs tidying up really. I kind of use it as my winter bike now, as the engine paint has gone. It would probably cost me as much to get mine restored / tidied up as it would to buy a decent second one. If I got mine tidied up, I then wouldn’t have a winter bike. We’ll see......... 👍

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« Reply #72 on: 21 January 2019, 09:24:46 pm »
I need something I can bolt some luggage on.  That rules out the Speed Triple.Though Street Triple takes the semi-hard GIVI panniers.

I don't go touring anymore.  But I like to take my bits and bobs with me on a day out.  Like my camera and a lens or two.  Also it's nice in Scotland to have space for clothing.  It can be freezing in the morning and warm in the afternoon in summer up here.  I'm getting old, I like to be warm :lol

I got full hard luggage on the thou.  One thing I love is dumping my hat in one of the boxes when I park up.  I haven't had to walk about with a hat in my hand for 20 odd years now.

Anyway MT10 is good as it takes a big top box, which is more than enougth for me these days, and it looks OK with it.

GIVI do top boxes for the CB1000R but I haven't yet seen any photos of it with a box attached.  I'm not convinced it will look right.  OK it never really looks right but you know what I mean.   But the semi-hard panniers look OK.  Can't get a hat in them though.

Honda 0% finance only on till end of march.  Hmmmm.  How many nice days do you get for test rides this time o year?

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« Reply #73 on: 21 January 2019, 09:34:52 pm »
Very few dealers up here.
When I talked to the Yamaha dealer the other year they went through 'the deal'.  I was like naw.  I said to them we can talk money once I've had a ride.  They said ' what do you mean.  I said, well how much for the bike.  They said - eh?  I said - cash.  All I can say is they looked really disappointed. 

I guess if I ever decide what I want, and there's not a decent deal on offer, I'll just have to push em or head south of the border.
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Not prepared to pay that interest, I did a 2yr 0% balance transfer to fund it after my deposit.
I agree.  Sounds like you got a good deal.  How does the 0% transfer work.  Though I've got cash, I can do other things with it if I can bag some 0% finance. 

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The riding position is more roomy than the standard Gen1, in terms of peg to seat height / knee bend. It’s a great bike, with fantastic power available throughout the range and it can definately bring out the hooligan in you.
Do you feel you can ease back and cruise along on it when you want to, or is it just begging you to be bad all the time?

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« Reply #74 on: 21 January 2019, 09:58:58 pm »
I’ve got a Givi rack and top box on mine. I’ve also got a colour matched Baglux tank cover on it. Fortunately, the Baglux tank bag off of my Gen1 matches the MT perfectly, so I can interchange the bag between bikes as and when I need to.


I think SW Motech also do some semi rigid panniers for the MT. They’re only 20litres a side if I remember correctly? So more space in a top box. That said, the brackets for the panniers are very discreet when the panniers are removed and they’re only £250 all in. Tbh though, I don’t do long trips away, so the top box / tank bag combo holds plenty enough for a long weekend away.