Updating lights 04 fazer thou

[ogri48]

Dunno why they changed the lights so you only get one dipped beam on a later fazer, guess it's EU regs or summat. Anyhow, I'm old and blind, my evening commute from Bristol to the heart of the Forest of Dean is quite terrifying in the dark, even more so when it's raining. Do they do brighter bulbs nowadays that don't burn hot and need updated fuses like the old 100 w halogens? I don't want the arse ache or cost of HID...

[Hedgetrimmer]

Dunno, but thanks for warning us when and where to avoid so we don't get taken out by the old, blind Fazer 1000 rider 

[unfazed]

 

[unfazed]

Philips Xtreme or Osram Night Breakers are a good substitute with same fitting and wattage

[ogri48]

Who are you people and what are you doing In my house...
Cheers mate I'll give em a try..

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Yup Phillips Extreme - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Philips-12342XV-S2-Headlight-Twin-Pack/dp/B00NMEEOV2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1479154339&sr=8-1&keywords=philips+h4+x-treme+vision+130

Worthwhile improvement.

Osram should be good too.  Wouldn't bother with anything else.

My 2004 both lamps work together, (2xH4) didn't ken they later dropped it to one for drip.  Shouldn't be a difficult mod to fix.

[ogri48]

cheers dude, appreciated

[PaulSmith]

Have a look at LED bulbs. I used these (on a different bike) with good results: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01C8DKIPI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

[ogri48]

Intriguing mate... Are they saying you need to buy "outside error free resistors" or that they don't need anything else to work ?

[PaulSmith]

Intriguing mate... Are they saying you need to buy "outside error free resistors" or that they don't need anything else to work ?

The bulbs I linked to do not have a CANBUS, so can not be used on a bike with CANBUS unless you get a CANBUS eliminator. The Fazer couldn't even spell CANBUS so it really isn't a problem.

[ogri48]

 

[b1k3rdude]

• Dunno why they changed the lights so you only get one dipped beam on a later fazer,
• halogens?
• I don't want the arse ache or cost of HID...
• LED replacement H4 bulbs mentioned by VNA

• I assume you referring to a gen2 - I would hazard a guess that the wiring is the same as it is on the gen 1. You just tap of the working dip beam lead (at the front loom connector end) and wire that to a right-angle  spade connector to fit into the 3-pin H4 connector. Its a very easy job that take you no longer than hour to do. The alternator is rated to power both headlights inspite of the bullshit EU bollox and the fuse and wire should easily cope.
• Despite what everyone has said about better bulbs, unfortunately its a complete waste of time - as its only a little bit better. The £10-20 you spend on a these so called better bulbs is better spent else where -
• The issue is pretty much all HID kits dont have the correct beam pattern for the H4 hi/lo based head light units. But there is another option, LED spot lights - http://www.bikevis.com/product/bikevis-cree-v3-motorcycle-running-lights/
• IMHO these always come from China and never really work - but I am happy to be proven wrong. The market sorley needs a LED replacement fore the H4 bulb/fitting.

I have a set ob both my fazer and my bandit and both sets are over 2yrs old and still going strong. They also kick out the same light as a single 35W HID and are fully legal.

On the fazer:



Light spread on the bandit:

[b1k3rdude]

At some point I am thinking about going down the full projection conversion route, this would allow me to have dual hi/lo HID with a light out to that seen OM fitted units on cars.

[downey]

cool post ,,was only complaining my eyes must be getting worse or my lights arent as good as i thought and i have have h4 bulbs which at the start were a nice improvement on standard, but mabey ive just got used to them or my eyes are fucked ,,might take a chance on those cree ones put um on the forks like that .

[PaulSmith]

[Sniff, sniif.] Poh, I smell a pong! Sort of a bovine scatology to it...

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I assume you referring to a gen2 - I would hazard a guess that the wiring is the same as it is on the gen 1. You just tap of the working dip beam lead (at the front loom connector end) and wire that to a right-angle  spade connector to fit into the 3-pin H4 connector. Its a very easy job that take you no longer than hour to do. The alternator is rated to power both headlights inspite of the bullshit EU bollox and the fuse and wire should easily cope.
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B1k3rtwit has spent too much time listening to second rate politicians blaming some one else for their failures and his problems that he doesn't even bother to check their lies anymore. It took me less than 5 minutes to find out what the law actually said. The EU regs are all on-line as the always have been and the ones that matter here Directive 2009/67/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 13 July 2009 on the installation of lighting and light-signalling devices on two or three-wheel motor vehicles:  http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32009L0067 Specifically, section 6.2.1

• 6.2.   Dipped-beam headlamps
• 6.2.1.   Number: one or two.

B1k3rtwit is wrong about the wiring being the same, but is right that the wiring change would be easy, however, you might be slightly disappointed putting a hi/lo beam bulb into a high beam reflector and expecting a lo beam result. An odd mistake to make for someone who knows beam patters so well...
 

The issue is pretty much all HID kits dont have the correct beam pattern for the H4 hi/lo based head light units.

Fortunatly, all H4-3 HID kits do have the correct beam pattern for H4 hi/lo based head light units.
 

The market sorley needs a LED replacement fore the H4 bulb/fitting.

That would be something like this then? https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01C8DKIPI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

[Fazafou]

I went down the LED 'driving lights' alternative too.


Fitted 2 x 20W spot lights inside the fairing wired off a switched relay with a button fixed under the horn switch.


They are dipped enough not to dazzle people, but provide a huge amount of additional light for country roads.  When these are on with the main beams it's really impressive.
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[ogri48]

That looks pukka. Twat that I am,  I actually had a bulb out, so both lights on my gen one are now working ok. Replaced the bulbs with xenons, much better

[slimwilly]

glad you sorted it out,,you pulled some monkeys out of the trees with their answers .lol


by the way,, have you seen any bears in the forest yet,,or should you not ask, ?

[ogri48]

lol no bears bill, plenty of boar

[slimwilly]

Boar,yes, I am off to Dorset hopefully next week shooting Deer with my mate who does game meat for a living, he shoots a patch in the Forest for Boar, I have not been there with him yet,soon I hope

[ogri48]

We have to get a feller in from time to time when they are doing too much damage, he shoots them with a .308, I'm a member of Monmouth gun club, shoot a 22/10  and a .225 ( my favourite ) but it's all club target stuff, I ain't no good at killing things, never have been mate :-)

[robbo]

Often up in your neck of the woods ogri48, fishing the wonderful River Wye,between Ross and Monmouth.A beautiful part of the country for sure.

[ogri48]

Yeah the Wye is not far at all, I use that valley road coming home from Chepstow, as you say a beautiful area and great biking road mate

[b1k3rdude]

[Sniff, sniif.] Poh, I smell a pong! Sort of a bovine scatology to it...

Er, did someone shit in yer cornflakes ..?

• EU regs, who give's a shit beyond the fact it means we are forced to have one headlamp on instead of two..?
• I think you'll find I said and I quote "I would hazard a guess that the wiring is the same as it is on the gen 1"
• Regarding H4 HID kits, Google the facts you might learn something. In the meantime I will rely on the fact that I have fitted and used multiple HID kits H4, H7, 9006B and base my advise on verifiable hands on data.
• And Regarding H4 LED replacement bulbs I am more than happy for you to point me at a set that either you or someone else on here has tested with before and after pictures. And  in gesture of putting my money were my mouth is, you find me a set of H4 LED bulbs that I can order for next day delivery on amazon and I will buy and test them...!!! I may even buy a H4 kit and do some comparison shots just to prove my points.

Kind regards

b1k3rtw1t

[b1k3rdude]

I went down the LED 'driving lights' alternative too, fitted 2 x 20W spot lights inside the fairing wired off a switched relay with a button fixed under the horn switch.

Got some shots of how you mounted them? as I am thinking of moving mine up to the fairing to avoid all the shit they get covered in...