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Neutral switch
« on: 08 February 2016, 07:37:13 pm »
Hey guys, I'm new on this forum, so don't mind if there's a same topic (I can't find it).


So, I just got my Fazer 600 2001 and the neutral switch does not work. I located the switch on the left side close to gear changing lever. My question is do I have to drain the oil out of the engine when removing the neutral switch?
And is there a way to repair the faulty switch?

Sorry if there's some spelling mistakes, I'm from Serbia :)
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #1 on: 08 February 2016, 08:34:59 pm »
If the engine is filled correctly you should be able to remove the switch without draining the oil with the bike in it's centre stand.  Just be sure to make sure it's cold and be ready for the little spillage. 
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #2 on: 08 February 2016, 10:17:43 pm »
Worth checking the contacts and wiring first of course, as well as the bulb ! Before you start disassembling.
Oh and your spelling is perfect :) Dobrodošli!
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #3 on: 08 February 2016, 10:45:38 pm »
Thank you! :)
Contacts under the plastic cover on the left side are okay, but I didn't check the bulb because I thought it's a LED indicator. Do I have to take of the whole gauge off and disassemble it to check the bulb or there is an easier way?
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #4 on: 08 February 2016, 11:14:22 pm »
здраво and Welcome to the forum  :)

Quote from: mtread on 08 February 2016, 10:17:43 pm
Worth checking the contacts and wiring first of course, as well as the bulb ! Before you start disassembling.
Oh and your spelling is perfect :) Dobrodošli!

Check that neutral swicth is not working first. With sidestand down put the gear in neutral. Can you start the bike? If yes the swicth is fine. If not measure the swicth.

Get multimeter and swicth it on measurung continuity (resistance). Disconnect the neutral swicth lead. Measure continuity between the neutral swicth terminal and ground - it must be zero. If it is zero the problem is not in the swicth, because that means it is swicthing fine.



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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #5 on: 09 February 2016, 10:12:40 am »
Thank you very much!

Yes, I can start the bike with the side stand down, so the switch is fine, right?
Is there some fuse for neutral light?
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #6 on: 09 February 2016, 01:22:32 pm »
I just found a similar topic and how to take off the bulbs. The bulbs are T5, right?
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #7 on: 09 February 2016, 05:53:44 pm »
Yep, last time I looked they were  ;)
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #8 on: 09 February 2016, 07:05:31 pm »
Quote from: NikolaFazer on 09 February 2016, 10:12:40 am
Thank you very much!

Yes, I can start the bike with the side stand down, so the switch is fine, right?
Is there some fuse for neutral light?



You welcome  :)

Yes the switch is fine. There is no fuse for the neutral bulb light. It is connected via one diode to the neutral swicth directly.

Unfortunately there is no easy way to replace the light, you need to get the instrument cluster off. That what Haynes manual is saying.

Note it may be the bulb or the bulb socket that need replacing.

You can get Haynes and service manuals here: http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php?action=downloads;cat=2
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #9 on: 09 February 2016, 07:17:31 pm »
Yes, I figured it out... I'll buy the bulbs tomorrow for the instrument cluster background light, so I'll change them all.
Thank you for help! :)
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #10 on: 10 February 2016, 04:40:34 pm »

Thank you for help guys, got that neutral light fixed (yes, it was a bulb), and LED background installed.
 Looks good with my temp gauge that I installed few days ago :)


PS, sorry for the low quality photo.





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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #11 on: 11 February 2016, 12:08:10 am »
Glad you got it fixed, and pleased I pointed out it might just be the bulb. No complicated switch removal. Nice display!
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #12 on: 12 February 2016, 01:02:07 pm »
Hey guys, I have a problem again... The neutral light is always ON! Is it a faulty switch then?
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #13 on: 12 February 2016, 02:42:54 pm »
Quote from: NikolaFazer on 12 February 2016, 01:02:07 pm
Hey guys, I have a problem again... The neutral light is always ON! Is it a faulty switch then?


Sounds like it yes.
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #14 on: 14 February 2016, 02:54:43 am »
Quote from: NikolaFazer on 12 February 2016, 01:02:07 pm
Hey guys, I have a problem again... The neutral light is always ON! Is it a faulty switch then?
Not necessarily :(
The bulb could be in the wrong way round giving you the wrong reading as you did say you installed led bulbs (they can only go in one correct way)
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #15 on: 14 February 2016, 11:56:41 am »
No, you didn't understand, the LED bulbs are just for background lights. I figured it out, it was a bad contact on the switch, or the wire was touching ground. Works fine now...
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #16 on: 14 February 2016, 05:18:05 pm »
Problem, again. The same one...
Neutral is always ON! Well, almost always...
Neutral light is OFF only when it's in gear AND the side stand is DOWN. When I pull the sidestand up, the Neutral light goes ON. I really don't get it... Does someone know what's causing the problem?

I should mention that sidestand kills the engine when I push it down and it's in gear...
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #17 on: 15 February 2016, 11:11:48 am »
I would disconnect the neutral switch and check its operation with a multimeter. Though from what you're saying it appears to be working correctly in that the engine stops when you put the side stand down and it's in gear. But it can't hurt to check.

Personally I think you're going to have to get a wiring diagram and work through the circuit bit by bit  I'm afraid.

Having just looked at the circuit diagram I reckon a good place to look would be at the diodes around the starting circuit cut off relay and the fuel pump relay. I am not sure as the circuit could be better drawn but there may be some weird effect if one of those has blown.
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Re: Neutral switch
« Reply #18 on: 15 February 2016, 05:25:32 pm »
What are "diodes around starting circuit"?
Everything else is working just fine...
It works fine when I disconnect the sidestand.
Do you see anything suspicious? Cuz I don't...
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