Donald Trump

[mtread]

Dazza, I think you need to read your history

[Exupnut]

U guys should go onto YouTube and type in Noam Chomsky isis.....bit of an eye opener.

[dazza]

Dazza, I think you need to read your history

For what planet? 

[mtread]

So are you (like Trump) suggesting we inter all 'possible' terrorist sympathisers? All UK Muslims? 2.7million. How are you going to do that?

[dazza]

I'm not suggesting anything, I merely stated that we took precautionary measures during world war 2 to prevent any possible Nazi sympathizers giving away any vital information to the enemy. A controversial subject at the time and now but necessary to eliminate all risk.
We are now seeing an unprecedented number or refugees flooding into our countries with no way of detecting how many of them are extremist sleeper cells intent on doing us harm. This raises the stakes as far as I can see and Trump just may have it right to call on a temporary ban until our security services can adequately vet them.
This is why I made the comparison to our internment of Germans and Austrians, drastic times call for drastic measures.
You, on the other hand, likened it to the Holocaust, How can you justify that ?
 
Our politically correct and liberal attitude society is a weakness and being exploited by an evil enemy who obeys no rules.
This is the reason we need people who aren't afraid to speak out and take drastic action if necessary to protect our citizens.
My 12 year old girl is too frightened to go shopping at Bluewater for fear of a terrorist attack. Is this what you want for our children.
Even the Police admit some areas are practically no go zones, it is our Government who are in denial.
You take a walk around Brick Lane at night, it takes on a whole different demeana at night and tell me if you feel safe in your own country.
I am not anti Muslim, I work with many and consider a lot of them friends. I have had many in depth conversations trying to understand their take on it all and they all say the same thing. Because of the teachings of the Quran, they understand why these extremist do the things they do but they don't agree with the way they do it. These have chosen peace but it is worrying that they have an element of understanding. How to you vet that ? What made that couple in the latest shooting in America go hell bent on murdering leaving their child an orphan.
Our world is faced with a dangerous ideology and NO, I don't have any answers.

[midden]

Why (Rooney would you spend all that money on a transplant and then have it cut really short

Because where it was transplanted from, it only grows short and curly 

During the second world war all German and Austrian born citizens were rounded up and interned

So were the Jews, and that didn't turn out too well 
Donald Trump is a complete arse. For once I agree with Boris

Mtread are you a bandit? Coz you're just swapping one arse for another...........
All that money spent and inconvenience caused only for cyclists to stay riding in the car lanes and on pavements

[lew600fazer]

When the IRA kicked off in Northern Ireland the Government of the day at the request of the police introduced the special powers act. If you looked like a republican and acted like a republican you got banged up without trial or a likely release date. The Westminster Government told Stormont the N Ireland government, you cannot do that, it is against their human rights, so a lot of the Republicans were released . Over 3500 people died in N Ireland all be it at the hands of the so called Loyalists & Republicans. Westminster has always been soft on terrorists. Just saying!!!!!!!
To me anyone who commits or intends to commit a terrorist act against the civilian population has forfeited their own human rights.
 

[mtread]

Getting back onto to the subject, I see the petition to ban Trump from the UK has passed half a million, while the one to let him in has stuck at 34k. Says it all really ☺ Now let's get back to talking about bikes

[pilninggas]

Getting back onto to the subject, I see the petition to ban Trump from the UK has passed half a million, while the one to let him in has stuck at 34k. Says it all really ☺ Now let's get back to talking about bikes

Ignore the 'roided moron on the right....

[Exupnut]

.......and the eroded moron in the middle.

[mtread]

That comb over is not going to survive 10+ mph

[VNA - BMW Wank]

We are now seeing an unprecedented number or refugees flooding into our countries with no way of detecting how many of them are extremist sleeper cells intent on doing us harm.

Two things - 1. you ain't seen nothing yet.  2.  It's cos we have been bombing the shit out of them, and indeed further destabilised  the region.  Oh make it 3, they are human beings. 

Our politically correct and liberal attitude society is a weakness and being exploited by an evil enemy who obeys no rules.

Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and now Syria.  100,000's dead and millions of refugees.  So who is evil and who is terrorist?

Is this what you want for our children.

What about the children of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.  What of them?

These have chosen peace but it is worrying that they have an element of understanding.

It's a pity more people don't understand.

[lew600fazer]

Yea you are right , Sadam, the Taliban , Assad , Gadaffi all jolly good chaps. 

[noggythenog]

Trumps solution in my opinion was just dickish....i much more favour just ousting anyone on the terror list or anyone they are connected to & let the innocents stay.....or just kill them...either way really.


We all seem to live in the past & i just wonder what would actually happen if we did just do nothing abroad in syria & iraq ......as of tomorrow.....not a thing....just sit back & relax......and the other countries too...........what will happen???will they all just make up?


Plus i very much doubt that it is bombs that are making the immigrants come here......more likely to be knife wielding maniacs......id much rather be bombed than have my head hacked off with a rambo knife.

[lew600fazer]

One of the problems with people like VNA is they think there is good in everybody

[mtread]

As opposed to thinking everyone of a certain religion is bad?

[dazza]

It's the same as Racism, I am not a racist btw.  Racism is a despicable crime and crime is for black people.

[Slaninar]

Yea you are right , Sadam, the Taliban , Assad , Gadaffi all jolly good chaps.

Don't believe what you read. Not even what you "see" on TV  - it's often fake.


Gadaffi provided good standard of living for the people of Lybia. The "revolution" was staged by the US when they couldn't get the oil and buy the land any other way, nor bribe the government. I've seen it in my country - first hand. US sponsoring "revolution". Openly. As far as human rights go, there were more in the socialist era, than there are now. When you have no jobs and way to pay for food, you don't have much human rights.


As far as Trump goes - US (and my county's president for that matter) are just puppets. Working for the big capital. Choose between democrats and republicans, but they both will make the rich remain that, and make the poor stay that way. If elections could really change things, the powerful people would not allow them.




Just a bit of history:


"After the U.S. accused Libya of orchestrating the 1986 Berlin discotheque bombing, in which two American soldiers died, Reagan decided to retaliate militarily.[189] The Central Intelligence Agency were critical of the move, believing that Syria were a greater threat and that an attack would strengthen Gaddafi's reputation; however Libya was recognised as a "soft target."[190] Reagan was supported by the U.K. but opposed by other European allies, who argued that it would contravene international law.

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In 1989, Gaddafi was overjoyed by the foundation of the Arab Maghreb Union, uniting Libya in an economic pact with Mauritania, Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria, viewing it as beginnings of a new Pan-Arab union.[211] Meanwhile, Libya stepped up its support for anti-western militants such as the Provisional IRA,[212] and in 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was blown up over Lockerbie in Scotland, killing 243 passengers and 16 crew members, plus 11 people on the ground. British police investigations identified two Libyans – Abdelbaset al-Megrahi and Lamin Khalifah Fhimah – as the chief suspects, and in November 1991 issued a declaration demanding that Libya hand them over. When Gaddafi refused, citing the Montreal Convention, the United Nations (UN) imposed Resolution 748 in March 1992, initiating economic sanctions against Libya which had deep repercussions for the country's economy.[213] The country suffered an estimated $900 million financial loss as a result.[214] Further problems arose with the west when in January 1989, two Libyan warplanes were shot down by the U.S. off the Libyan coast.[215] Many African states opposed the UN sanctions, with Mandela criticising them on a visit to Gaddafi in October 1997, when he praised Libya for its work in fighting apartheid and awarded Gaddafi theOrder of Good Hope.[216] They would only be suspended in 1998 when Libya agreed to allow the extradition of the suspects to the Scottish Court in the Netherlands, in a process overseen by Mandela.[217]"

[VNA - BMW Wank]

Yea you are right , Sadam, the Taliban , Assad , Gadaffi all jolly good chaps.

Saddam was 'our' man.  Saddam took power with the help of the USA.  He was America's puppet.

The Taliban came about as a result of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, the country having been destabilised as a result of US support for Islamic fundamentalists in the face of increasing liberalism in Afghan cities.  America wanted to bring the USSR to it's knees by giving them their Vietnam.  The Taliban were the refugees of that war, having nothing and influenced by Saudi Wahhabism they became the most fundamental and brutal of the fundamentalists.  Taliban means scholar, all they had was their book the Koran, they overthrew the Mujahedeen whom they saw as corrupt.

Assad?  Son of  Hafez al-Assad, well they are Iran and Russia's despots.

Gadaffi, his coup apparently took the British by surprise.  But they saw no need for it to affect British, Libyan relations, not when we had so many engineering projects on the go (oil) and were the main supplier of arms to Libya.

The one thing Britain does not support Lew is democracy and the will of the people.

Pam Am Flight 103, it's unlikely that Libya had much involvement.  It has much more to do with Iran Air Flight 655 shot down by the US navy.   The Scottish trial of Abdelbaset al-Megrahi was a bit of a joke continues to be an embarrassment and stain on Scottish Justice.

Salmond: I've signed the petition to ban Trump from the UK;

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14142184.Salmond__I_ve_signed_the_petition_to_ban_Trump_from_the_UK/

[Frosties]

Slaninar and VNA - you've both posted in the wrong section. You should've posted here  http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,18850.0.html where you can continue to bang on about your beliefs. The last 2 posts have got fuck all to do with this thread. Bored shitless with your "education lessons".

[griff86]

Slaninar and VNA - you've both posted in the wrong section. You should've posted here  http://foc-u.co.uk/index.php/topic,18850.0.html where you can continue to bang on about your beliefs. The last 2 posts have got fuck all to do with this thread. Bored shitless with your "education lessons".

Well said!

[lew600fazer]

Is it true that Trump owns 1/2 of Scotland and obtained it when Salmond was the big dick there??.
Having been to Lybia, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran , Kutwait, etc! can honestly say never met one I would have wanted to make a friend out off. If it was not for capitalism they would still be living in tents as in the oil would still be in the ground. Russia are only able to turn the gas on or off due to western technology.

[mtread]

OK back on thread. Apparently Trump is a Democrat secret agent, and is being ridiculous in order to lure away the nutters.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35066940 Seems to be working

[Slaninar]

The point is it really doesn't matter who wins the elections and what they're personally like. It will be the same. Don't see much point in voting.

[hotmetal]

Made me think of this
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/london-in-grip-of-bearded-coffee-fanatics-20151210104614