do you agree??

[johnakay]

I definitely do.
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[/size]Nigel Farage UKIP This is what he said:[/color]
[/size]I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to
earn a living.[/color]
I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others.
I believe in British products and buy them whenever I can.
I believe the money I make belongs to me and not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work!
I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit.
I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized,
And does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority!
I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, You should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option.
I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God When and where they want to.
My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff And Winston Churchill And I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!
I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way
they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!
I know wrestling is fake And I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.
I believe if you don't like the way things are here, Go back to where you came from And change your own country!
This is ENGLAND .....
We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was So stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!
If you were born or legally migrated here And don't like it... You are free to move To any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it
is time to really clean house, Starting with the House of Commons, The seat of our biggest problems.
I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, And why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN
on that one?
I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, Regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.
And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good....
I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause. Get a job and support yourself and your family!
I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!
I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown Anywhere in the United Kingdom
If this makes me a BAD Brit, Then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, Please forward this to everyone you know....
We want our country back! My Country.....
I hope this offends all illegal aliens.
My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars
1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends Died
in Afghanistan and Iraq . None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag.
At one high school, Foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was
expelled. The students who took it down .
West London high school students were sent home, Because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.
What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough.
This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; And every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters
long enough. I'm taking a stand.
I'm standing up because of the millions Who died fighting in wars for this country,
And for the British flag.
And shame on anyone who tries to Make this a racist message. IT IS NOT ! Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !
THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !
This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !
YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, Welcome to come legally:
1. Get a sponsor !
2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!
3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do
4. Get a job !
5. Pay YOUR Taxes !
6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !
7. Find a place to lay your head !
If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then
YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM !
We've gone so far the other way. bent over backwards not to offend anyone.
WAKE UP BRITAIN ! ! !
Nigel Farage UKIP

[slappy]

You recruiting  Johnakay? 
I am no racist, but a lot of those points make sense to me, simply because they are common sense,

Isn't this posted in wrong section?

[johnakay]

You recruiting  Johnakay? 
I am no racist, but a lot of those points make sense to me, simply because they are common sense,

Isn't this posted in wrong section?

not clue and not recruiting but sick of  the way things are going.
I haven't got any problem with folks religion but do when they want to change our way of life..
just realise it should be in general..admen feel free to move this to general etc.

[Slaninar]

I definitely do.

Nigel Farage UKIP This is what he said:
I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to
earn a living.
I believe in God and the freedom of religion, But I don't push it on others.

I believe in British products and buy them whenever I can.
I believe the money I make belongs to me and not to some governmental functionary, To share with others who don't work!

So you wouldn't help crippled war veterans who can't work?
Or people who are retarded?
Old?
Sick?


Or you just hate immigrants?

I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; It makes you a smart Brit.

And I hope you never have your house bombed, or get driven out of it by guns.




City I live in had some 150.000 citizens. In some 10 year time, it got around 100.000 refugees - the city and suburbs around it. It's not very nice, but those people didn't choose to come - they fled from war. All of them.

As far as language goes, the city I live in was part of Austro-Hungarian empire for hundreds of years. Then, for the past 100 years, it's been Serbian. The local mentality is to learn language of your neighbours and talk to them in their native language - a sign of respect. So you speak Hungarian to Hungarians and they respond in Serbian.

When refugees came (mostly Serbs), fled from civil war, afraid of other religion/nation - since they had just fled the ethnic war, all that changed. Lots of nationalism and hatred. Same thing like you say, but instead of England, it was Serbia: "they are in Serbia now, they should speak Serbian!" The result is a lot of ethnic tension on top of economic crisis.


When people talk about refugees, feeling threatened, I always think of the banker joke:
20 cakes, banker takes 19 and says: "keep an eye on the refugee, I think he's sizing your cake."

[slappy]

It should now read " keep an eye on the refugee, he is not interested in your cake because he is not actualy a refugee but a cowardly murdering bastard pretending to be a refugee so he can enter your country and murder innocent people".

[Slaninar]

It should now read " keep an eye on the refugee, he is not interested in your cake because he is not actualy a refugee but a cowardly murdering bastard pretending to be a refugee so he can enter your country and murder innocent people".

Do you really believe that?


What is the percentage of terrorists among the refugees? Is it higher then the percentage of criminals among the law abiding Englishmen? 


Should we just send all the Brits to Australia, just to be sure we don't get any crime and problems near Europe? I mean just look at those crime rates!

[lew600fazer]

Why do you hate the English/ British so much Slaninar? it always is our fault with you , no matter what you post it is always the Brits/the West is at fault.
1% Terrorists in among 99% genuine refugees is 1% to many. What was it in Paris 8 fecking nutters murdered 130 innocent people out enjoying themselves.
What is your opinion with the Russians in Syria? as far as most on here would be concerned they are doing a fecking good job. Gloves are off now matey.
Concerning the original post Nigel Farage, yes I agree with most of his statement.
Britain for the British and if folk want to come here, live and work here, live by our rules , respect our culture. If you cannot, or will not do that, then simply do not come you are not welcome.

[Robbie8666]

Why do you hate the English/ British so much Slaninar? it always is our fault with you , no matter what you post it is always the Brits/the West is at fault.
1% Terrorists in among 99% genuine refugees is 1% to many. What was it in Paris 8 fecking nutters murdered 130 innocent people out enjoying themselves.
What is your opinion with the Russians in Syria? as far as most on here would be concerned they are doing a fecking good job. Gloves are off now matey.
Concerning the original post Nigel Farage, yes I agree with most of his statement.
Britain for the British and if folk want to come here, live and work here, live by our rules , respect our culture. If you cannot, or will not do that, then simply do not come you are not welcome.

I agree with parts of this but the biggest part is respect our culture, we are not saying you cannot have your own culture and we will respect yours but you have to abide by our rules!
don't agree with the bit in Farage's speech where he says wear what we wear, I know what he means and is referring to but it could've been better phrased!

[Slaninar]

Why do you hate the English/ British so much Slaninar? it always is our fault with you , no matter what you post it is always the Brits/the West is at fault.

I don't - just making a comparison to show how silly it is to blame people running away from war and poverty.

Although my city was bombed by the US and Britain when I was young, I don't blame the people for that - it's politics. Though western killing civilians wasn't called terrorism, but a "humanitarian intervention Noble Anvil".   

1% Terrorists in among 99% genuine refugees is 1% to many. What was it in Paris 8 fecking nutters murdered 130 innocent people out enjoying themselves.

It doesn't justify not helping and accepting the refugees. That's my point. Especially since terrorists will find a way one way or another - if a man is willing to die, it's hard to stop him.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/paris-attacks-the-eight-terror-suspects-named-so-far-all-have-eu-passports-a6738821.html

[lew600fazer]

The west bombed your country because your country were murdering the population in places like Zargreb, if a man is willing to die it is hard to stop him, I assume you are talking nutters like ISIS , well if you are the security forces of the country he is wanting to die in are quite entitled to assist him , hopefully before the scumbag kills innocent people.
NOT accepting refugees , the recent influx of Refugees into Serbia were made that welcome there seemed to me they could not get out of the place fast enough.

I have worked with Serbians while at sea and to be honest they were very difficult to get along with I know this is a generalisation but very very arrogant, even the German lads found them difficult.

[Slaninar]

The west bombed your country because your country were murdering the population in places like Zargreb,

The time my city was bombed was when things in the south of my country were something like the Northern Ireland where you live - police vs separatists. That's when they decided to bomb civilian infrastructure on the opposite part of the country!?!?

The war with former republics - Croatia and Bosnia was ended some 5 years before that. For THAT war I mostly blame Serbia - it was bad and stupid. However, Croatian and Serbian leaders were working together in that war - it suited both the leaders, so they can control local opposition and stay in power. There was trade in war material between all the three sides! The real victims of that war were civilians - on all the sides. The real villains - ruling politicians. The war ended with a big ethnic cleansing of Serbs who lived in Croatian territory.

Refugees from Croatia coming to Serbia:







Having been actively against the local regime, the bombing was a stupid act of aggression, that didn't help anyone - and it was clear what it would do.

 if a man is willing to die it is hard to stop him, I assume you are talking nutters like ISIS , well if you are the security forces of the country he is wanting to die in are quite entitled to assist him , hopefully before the scumbag kills innocent people.
NOT accepting refugees , the recent influx of Refugees into Serbia were made that welcome there seemed to me they could not get out of the place fast enough.

After decades of sanctions, wars, ending with a nice bombing, Serbia has become a very poor country. Average pay being around 300 euros, minimum wage around 150 - that is per month. Of course refugees are looking to reach Germany, Austria, UK...

I have worked with Serbians while at sea and to be honest they were very difficult to get along with I know this is a generalisation but very very arrogant, even the German lads found them difficult.

I also don't like doing business with Serbs, I too find them difficult and arrogant.   


Though I can say the same about the English that come to my city - behaving with no manners whatsoever, and being quite arrogant.

P.S. Here's Croatian police handling refugees:



Here's Hungarian:





Here's Serbian:



Quite objective article on how refugees are treated here (both the good and the bad):


http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-09-10/serbian-police-officer-and-smiling-syrian-boy-show-europe-how-welcoming-refugees

[lew600fazer]

As I said Slaninar nearly all your posts are about, or touch on your love of the English!!!!!!!!! No doubt that Serbian guard? holding the child is a decent sort , but do not try and make out that this is the Norm.
Concerning N Ireland certain sections of the community were hell bent on enforcing there way on the vast majority of the populations wish to remain British. Thankfully the British Government stood up to those who thought the Bomb & Bullet was method to achieve that goal, how wrong they were. 

[Slaninar]

As I said Slaninar nearly all your posts are about, or touch on your love of the English!!!!!!!!!

Not really - I'd say more about how xenophobia and nationalism are bad and dangerous. Even that only in mostly anti-immigrant topic(s). If some shit went on in England, I'm sure French, German, even Serbian nationalists would be all out: "don't let those here, they'll ruin our way of life..." and similar bullshit. That would also be wrong and short sighted IMO.

[lew600fazer]

Only seems to be you and me interested in this topic!!!!, You go on about this and that , poor wages in your country etc! Eastern Europeans/ and other economic migrants/refugees , want to come to the western side of Europe so they can earn a decent wage(yes)? Can you or do you not realise or accept we have a youth unemployment situation here in the west? That being the case surely you can understand the west has to look after their own citizens first and foremost.

You mention Nationalism is bad and dangerous!!Why, especially in Britian, the British are a very tolerant race. Our culture is constantly being attacked by Ethnic groups that the British openly welcomed into their society. We are now hearing from various regions around the whole of the UK that we should not Celebrate Christmas as in putting up Christmas decorations in town centres or say merry Christmas just incase we offend people of a different religion.

Certain parts of Britain you walk down a street and you get stared at, why?? because you are a minority as in you are white. I will lay money on it you do not have this situation in Serbia. Ethnic groups are causing the spread of Nationalism with in the UK, and if anyone thinks this is not the case, well get your head out of the sand.   

[Slaninar]

Certain parts of Britain you walk down a street and you get stared at, why?? because you are a minority as in you are white. I will lay money on it you do not have this situation in Serbia. Ethnic groups are causing the spread of Nationalism with in the UK, and if anyone thinks this is not the case, well get your head out of the sand.

I do with gypsies. They have their own "settlements". And there's a lot of hatred and prejudice towards them.


The main problem of globalisation and capitalism is the number of poor and unemployed it needs in order to work. The distribution of wealth, both inside one country and globally is too unfair. On one part of the planet people paying doctors to make them less fat, on the other people (children) dying of hunger, literally. But that's not going to change any time soon. The working class are going to get worse and worse working and living conditions - immigrants just make that a bit faster, but it's coming anyway. Until the next revolution and some new system.

[lew600fazer]

Next revolution??I assume you are not advocating communism we all know how that fell flat on it's arse.

[Slaninar]

Next revolution??I assume you are not advocating communism we all know how that fell flat on it's arse.

Communism is something to strive for IMO. I've lived in a socialist country - socialsim being a step towards communism. Here's what we had:


Free education, free health care, secure jobs, obligatory military service for all men, large amount of personal freedom, a decent standard of living. That was before the "civil" war that tore all the country to the ground in all matters.


Russia called themselves communist, but it was a dictatorship of worst kind, nothing compared to what communism is about. The basic idea of communism is that all do what they can do best and all get what they need for a living. Can you have a Rolls Royce? No. Can people starve without a roof? No.


Now the country I live in is democracy. I get to choose between 2 corrupt politicians every year. They both work for the same man - one with capital, striving to protect it and enlarge it. In rich countries, like Germany, Switzerland, or UK, the small amount of money left to working class is still enough to get by, but in 90% of the planet - it is very little.


Another problem is that capitalism doesn't worry about destroying the planet - in order to work it needs constant "growth". Which will end bad for all eventually. When you make a machine that changes the work of 100 men, instead of giving those men shorter working hours, or let them plant trees, whatever, capitalism gets them fired, hungry, looking for another job. It makes no sense in the long run IMO.

[slappy]

If your socialist country was so good why did you have a "civil war"?

[Slaninar]

If your socialist country was so good why did you have a "civil war"?

Politics. Local corrupt politicians with a lot of aid of foreign countries - strong and prosperous socialist/communist country undermines capitalism. Now everything can be bought for money - the whole country.


In the period from 2nd world war to 1988, it was probably the best place in the world for ordinary, working class people.

[lew600fazer]

We had new Labour here in the UK for 13 years. When they took over the economy was in the Black. When they were voted out the country was practically bankrupt.
The Conservatives may not be the dogs bollocks but I trust them more with the economy than the last lot or for that matter Jeremy Corbyn. Why should I have worked hard all my life just to let some socialist government take all my savings and tax me to the hilt to pay out benefits to workshy scroungers.
I am not against a Welfare state and do believe in helping others less fortunate than myself.
But people need to realise that the welfare state is a life line and not a life style.
If I had my way anyone who is fit and able but unemployed would be invited to join projects within the community, such as improving the local environment, be that street cleaning , gardening services for the elderly,  city/town parks etc! Note I did say invited too , they would need a dam good excuse for not wanting to do these tasks.

[lew600fazer]

If your socialist country was so good why did you have a "civil war"?

Politics. Local corrupt politicians with a lot of aid of foreign countries - strong and prosperous socialist/communist country undermines capitalism. Now everything can be bought for money - the whole country.


In the period from 2nd world war to 1988, it was probably the best place in the world for ordinary, working class people.

And it all went tits up when President Tito died

[Slaninar]

Went to hell some 10 years after Tito died. But it doesn't mean it was bad - quite the contrary.


As far as welfare state goes: if any politician provided free education for my kids and free health care, along with full employment, I'd be more than happy to give all the savings - what would I need them for? A bit oversimplifying, but that's the point.


P.S. just in order to get things straight: I really have nothing against the English. Quite familiar (as a foreigner) with English history, tradition. I love English literature. Grew up listening to English music (punk rock and oi mostly). Films. Rather sensible and technical nation (I know it's a generalization, but if I had to make one, that would be it). Just being a part of this forum for years - minimal flame and bollocks, loads of good tips, discussions and humour. That is another thing I love - at least from here, we have a name for English humour: "English humour". Monty Pythons for example.     




There's a big music festival in my city every summer, Exit festival.
http://www.exitfest.org/en


English youth that come to that festival generally behave quite arrogantly. Going semi-naked in flip flops through the city centre, sleeping drunk in the street, showing no respect for local customs. Talked to a lad that was arrested for drug possession. He was fined few hundred euros and let go. And he was all out "how dare they hassle me, they kept me in custody all night, made ma pay the fine in the morning, I missed the whole festival day!?!" I asked him if drugs were illegal in England and would the police have let him immediately in England, with just a fine?


I also met a lot of cool English, mostly those motorcycling through Serbia, one working here for a while.


I was also impressed with Scotland fans when they came to play against Serbia! They helped clear the pitch of snow so that the match is not postponed





Very good atmosphere, cheering, before and after the match. No breaking the city or doing stupid hooligan stuff.


Scottish, Irish and Russians are also very good to drink with. English and Germans get too drunk too quickly and loose control of themselves, misbehaving. I know it's a generalization, but that's been my experience from the people coming here.





What I don't like is imperialism though. Blaming refugees for terrorism and economic problems is wrong IMO - those people should be welcomed and helped.