I've seen some discussion on use of the clutch before and generally I've seen it advised to just pull it in. The reasoning behind this is that most of us are going to sort of panic and not think about it all fully and whilst the engine braking may help to start with, at lower speeds the engine braking force will be reversed as the engine starts to try and pull the bike forward before stalling. Obviously at higher speeds this makes less of a difference, but I still think it makes sense.I really need to practice some of this myself as well
Quote from: Grahamm on 21 May 2015, 11:36:04 amQuote from: darrsi on 21 May 2015, 06:51:55 amNot one of you has mentioned DON'T TOUCH THE CLUTCH???That's what causes the rear to want to overtake you, or fishtail, because you've released the engine braking!I don't see how this follows as your rear brake gives more resistance than engine braking (try stopping using engine braking, then try it in neutral with the rear brake).Also, of course, pulling in the clutch means that you don't risk stalling and thus not being able to quickly move from where you end up which you may need to do in an emergency situation.Only one way to find out isn't there?Go and do an emergency stop, using both brakes, 70/30 or whatever, and try with the clutch pulled in, then without.It all sounds nice reading and writing about it, but in a real emergency most people's natural instinct is to grab everything, it's just human nature in a panic situation.This is just basic training and differences in braking techniques would have been shown to you during a days CBT (if you ever did one).Note: Be careful if you try it with the clutch pulled in, I take no responsibility for any foc ups!
Quote from: darrsi on 21 May 2015, 06:51:55 amNot one of you has mentioned DON'T TOUCH THE CLUTCH???That's what causes the rear to want to overtake you, or fishtail, because you've released the engine braking!I don't see how this follows as your rear brake gives more resistance than engine braking (try stopping using engine braking, then try it in neutral with the rear brake).Also, of course, pulling in the clutch means that you don't risk stalling and thus not being able to quickly move from where you end up which you may need to do in an emergency situation.
Not one of you has mentioned DON'T TOUCH THE CLUTCH???That's what causes the rear to want to overtake you, or fishtail, because you've released the engine braking!
I quick shift down when I have to do unexpected sudden stops. releasing the clutch on every down shift, also use it braking into corners, when having fun.On some surfaces there will become a point where you need to release front brake pressure because it feels like it's going to wash out on you, or you have to change direction/duck around whatever has suddenly got in front of you not all emergency stops a a straight line situation. and you may need to head for that escape route.
It's somewhat infuriating when you understand all the principles, how to apply them and deal with a situation... but then as soon as it happens you panic and revert to being a wide-eyed muppet with about as much intelligence as a pheasant whilst staring down your doom like a rabbit stuck in headlights...
All i know is, after 28 years of riding, my voice has a much more controlled "You cuuuuuuunt!!!!!!" in a panic situation.