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Protective gear materials
« on: 25 February 2015, 10:03:34 pm »
At the risk of being an outcast I will admit that I'm just about vegan, I have knowing made one purchase that breaks this - motorbike gloves. I decided that my safety came first.


Asking other vegans if there is a specific reason why there is such a  lack of textile gloves tends to be a bit pointless. When summer comes I'll be on the look out for summer gloves so the whole fun will start again. All this had resulting in me having a few questions from your collective experience.


1. Does leather still work better (at least on the road) then textile gear (when new)?
2. How do they compare after a few years use?
3. Would "normal" people be put off by non leather gloves? I'm not sure that this is an issue as I didn't find a shortage or Loric/microfibre boots (I got some TCX ones which I'm happy with)


In addition I was wondering if anyone has come across gloves coming off during a crash. Besides the very cheap or motorcross gloves I have since found a few textile gloves that look interesting. Rukka appear to make a winter glove
http://www.sportsbikeshop.co.uk/motorcycle_parts/content_prod/201496


I also came across a company called Motoport that makes these
http://www.motoport.com/index.php?option=com_redshop&view=product&pid=23&cid=14&Itemid=22
They look a bit home made (and expensive after import costs)




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Re: Protective gear materials
« Reply #1 on: 25 February 2015, 10:11:43 pm »
my last pair of gloves (hein gericke) were textile and have been great.

I have came off with a set of textile gloves too (~50mph), and they did hold up mostly - the stitching was the weak point which gave way, but they did their job.

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Re: Protective gear materials
« Reply #2 on: 26 February 2015, 09:14:05 am »
Leather still has far better abrasion resistance than textiles. Hence even many textile gloves have leather on the palms.

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Re: Protective gear materials
« Reply #3 on: 26 February 2015, 09:56:58 am »
One of the things i just cannot buy via mail order is gloves, i need to try them on until i find a pair that, erm, fits like a glove.
That normally involves me going to a few shops and trying on as many as possible.
I have gloves in my top box for all different weathers, ranging from special forces type armoured fingerless gloves for summer, up to full padded/waterproof winter ones.
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« Reply #4 on: 26 February 2015, 10:45:35 am »
Go for big protection on the palms & knuckle dusters.


Heres pics of my Richa leather gloves, also came off about 50mph, a bit difficult to see the detail but both knuckle dusters took a grinding.


The palms you can see i didnt grind where the extra padding is, ideally i coulda done with the padding over the palm but then it wouldnt be as good for feel on the bars & dexterity.


The right hand little finger split down the outer side at the top and i broke my finger but actually there wasnt much grazing on it.


I think i was at the limits of these gloves, to imagine coming off at 70 or 80 is a scary thought coz it would be like wearing these gloves in their damaged state and then coming off again at 30 mph in them.

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Re: Protective gear materials
« Reply #5 on: 26 February 2015, 10:51:10 am »
Painted nail?  :lol
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Re: Protective gear materials
« Reply #6 on: 26 February 2015, 10:58:36 am »
Painted nail?  :lol


& a painted knee too :evil


Moral of the story.......wearing leather gloves wont protect your knees :lol
« Last Edit: 26 February 2015, 10:59:35 am by noggythenog »
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Re: Protective gear materials
« Reply #7 on: 26 February 2015, 12:06:38 pm »
I think i was at the limits of these gloves, to imagine coming off at 70 or 80 is a scary thought coz it would be like wearing these gloves in their damaged state and then coming off again at 30 mph in them.

What makes it more scary is that at 71mph there is double the energy there is at 50mph


My current gloves are these
http://www.jsaccessories.co.uk/bkg014-venture-glove-black-grey.html


I'm very unsure about buying gloves without being able to try them on, even more so when it involves importing them!

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Re: Protective gear materials
« Reply #8 on: 26 February 2015, 12:09:20 pm »
the fabric WP gloves ALDI have done in the past are good value for money
I roll mine and stuff them in my tank bag when touring as a back up pair and they are still going strong 4 years on
Not crashed in them (touches head) but padded in the right places
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« Reply #9 on: 26 February 2015, 01:06:48 pm »
The trouble with gloves and any other protective equipment you wear on your bike you will never know how good it is at protecting you until you need it.
No matter how many lab tests and suchlike are done the only real test is when you actually crash on the road and every crash will be different, there are so many variables such as road condition,speed, how well the item fits you, the used condition of the item and probably a great many other factors.
Like most people I usually assume that more expensive means better but how can you really know? Those cheap gloves you bought in the sales, and most of us have done that, might be just as good at protecting you as the latest £250 must haves the all the magazines tell you to buy.
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Re: Protective gear materials
« Reply #10 on: 26 February 2015, 01:35:28 pm »
the fabric WP gloves ALDI have done in the past are good value for money
I roll mine and stuff them in my tank bag when touring as a back up pair and they are still going strong 4 years on
Not crashed in them (touches head) but padded in the right places

Lidl's have bike gear starting on Monday 2nd March.....usual stuff, helmets, thermals, socks and textile gloves at £16.99

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Re: Protective gear materials
« Reply #11 on: 26 February 2015, 01:38:24 pm »
the fabric WP gloves ALDI have done in the past are good value for money
I roll mine and stuff them in my tank bag when touring as a back up pair and they are still going strong 4 years on
Not crashed in them (touches head) but padded in the right places

Lidl's have bike gear starting on Monday 2nd March.....usual stuff, helmets, thermals, socks and textile gloves at £16.99
Aldi sale starts on the 8th March. Similar range with boots, base layers, locks etc and it's had a good write up....
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« Reply #12 on: 26 February 2015, 01:43:21 pm »
I'm an all the gear all the time type. Also at least with cow hide I decided that while I would rather not wear it, it's a small part of something that got eaten.

I've always found protective gear to be an interesting subject, in part I suspect because there are so many variables.


I got some leather/textile gloves from Aldi or lidl in the past (I got some base layers from one and jacket, trousers and gloves from the other. The left glove ripped apart during a mod1 lesson while I was using the clutch, a seem came undone in the trousers as well and while I patched it up I haven't used them above 30mph since.

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« Reply #13 on: 26 February 2015, 04:07:53 pm »
the moto gp etc guys all go for leather so there must be something in it. shame us mortals cant afford them.
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« Reply #14 on: 26 February 2015, 04:22:11 pm »
the moto gp etc guys all go for leather so there must be something in it. shame us mortals cant afford them.


That's more to do with aerodynamics, and slide ability on a nice flat surface.
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« Reply #15 on: 26 February 2015, 04:41:06 pm »
just a small point isn't oil and petrol made from dead animals, OK they died a long time ago, just saying, lol.

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Re: Protective gear materials
« Reply #16 on: 26 February 2015, 04:43:09 pm »
That said, my leather gloves were worn paper thin when I decked my Fazer. Holes in the gloves, not my hands. I'd advise testing old gloves with a power sander, then seeing what survives better
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« Reply #17 on: 26 February 2015, 07:20:38 pm »
How fast were you going?  I am curious about wet Vs dry conditions.  Leather does seem to glide more which on a track seems like a good thing,  I don't know if you need it with lower energy crashes added to which if you slide to well on the road your likely to hit something.  Maybe mythbusters should test throwing pigs off a pick up truck to see (so long as the pigs died of natural causes)

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Re: Protective gear materials
« Reply #18 on: 26 February 2015, 08:37:44 pm »
How fast were you going?  I am curious about wet Vs dry conditions.  Leather does seem to glide more which on a track seems like a good thing,  I don't know if you need it with lower energy crashes added to which if you slide to well on the road your likely to hit something.  Maybe mythbusters should test throwing pigs off a pick up truck to see (so long as the pigs died of natural causes)

Only about 5mph when I hit the deck. But compared to similar speed offs, the leather trousers and jacket survived much better, much less damage.
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« Reply #19 on: 26 February 2015, 09:29:10 pm »
what are those vegetarians called that still eat fish because some gloves use stingray leather (in areas )
I don't do rain or threat there of. dry rider only with no shame.

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« Reply #20 on: 26 February 2015, 10:19:36 pm »
Hypocrite? Though I think you mean pescetarian.


Here's a thread about some textile gear after a 70mph crash
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10919075


I often find gloves are a bit long in the fingers for me and this has been mentioned about the motoport gloves. I might see if I can find a common reference point for sizing.



« Last Edit: 26 February 2015, 10:32:23 pm by AndyL »

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« Reply #21 on: 27 February 2015, 07:58:27 am »
How fast were you going?  I am curious about wet Vs dry conditions.  Leather does seem to glide more which on a track seems like a good thing,  I don't know if you need it with lower energy crashes added to which if you slide to well on the road your likely to hit something.  Maybe mythbusters should test throwing pigs off a pick up truck to see (so long as the pigs died of natural causes)


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Re: Protective gear materials
« Reply #22 on: 02 March 2015, 09:12:34 pm »
the moto gp etc guys all go for leather so there must be something in it. shame us mortals cant afford them.


That's more to do with aerodynamics, and slide ability on a nice flat surface.

Not really - they'd wear lycra if that was the case :)