Author Topic: 4 degree ignition advancer (Read 34921 times)

trpFZS1 · « **Reply #50 on:** 10 September 2014, 08:55:41 pm »

Thanks for the feedback and reassurance Mickvp. I will have another go tomorrow. I tried a similar approach to you today and the bolt did not seem like it was showing any sign of freeing. Cheers, Rich

Falcon 269 · « **Reply #51 on:** 10 September 2014, 11:11:32 pm »

What MickVP said. Rear brake on, long lever on the socket and go for it. It's on quite tight and locktited as well, so will take a bit of shifting. The cam timing won't be affected by doing this.

trpFZS1 · « **Reply #52 on:** 11 September 2014, 07:47:22 am »

Thanks Mike

trpFZS1 · « **Reply #53 on:** 11 September 2014, 10:52:26 am »

I fitted my advancer successfully this morning following the feedback provided then went for a quick 25 mile spin. Have to say this mod is well worth doing as the pick up in the low rev range is cleaner and smoother. Didn't notice any drop in performance elsewhere so far. My bike was full Monty'd by Mike in May which greatly improved things and I think this mod is the icing on the cake. Thanks for the help and advice I received. Cheers, Rich.

PaulSmith · « **Reply #54 on:** 11 September 2014, 02:27:05 pm »

Does anybody know offhand what the torque setting for tightening the bolt is?

trpFZS1 · « **Reply #55 on:** 11 September 2014, 03:06:05 pm »

In the Haynes manual it lists the torque setting for the "Timing Rotor Bolt" as 60Nm which is what I have used on mine.

nickodemon · « **Reply #56 on:** 11 September 2014, 11:21:46 pm »

Good to see lots of people happy fitting the advancer. Has anyone got dyno results for before and after yet on a full monty? Funnily enough i sold my standard fazer with the ignition advancer because compared to the full monty one with ignition advancer it was a poor relative and i couldn't help comparing them. I bought a sprint st 1050 and compared to a standard fazer i have to say the st is better in every aspect except outright power. It isn't as good as a full monty fazer mind you!

trpFZS1 · « **Reply #57 on:** 14 September 2014, 12:17:45 pm »

Out if interest, have you guys loctited the bolt on refitting? I haven't done as I wanted to see what the advancer made first in case I wanted to refit the original, but did tighten to 60Nm. I am going to keep the 4 degree advancer in my bike as I like the results. Should I now loctite it or is this not essential. (Don't want to keep messing if it's not required). Thanks

mickvp · « **Reply #58 on:** 14 September 2014, 02:02:25 pm »

I loctited mine in, yes, but I'm quite pernickety that way. For Tue couple of quid for a bottle of loctite, I wouldn't want to risk it. Much cheaper than a new engine if it comes loose, that's my thinking

trpFZS1 · « **Reply #59 on:** 14 September 2014, 04:56:56 pm »

Thanks Mickvp. Good call. I will do mine too.

fazer390 · « **Reply #60 on:** 15 September 2014, 10:18:27 am »

After fitting the 4deg advancer to mine the other week and not initially being impressed; 'I stand corrected'...

I did the London to Brighton on Sunday, which was the only decent run I've done since fitting the advancer.
Not only is it smoother, responsive and just as pokey, I've managed to get 215miles out of the tank with 4ltrs to spare!

Usually it's around 180miles per tank +/-

For my bike in particular, and I've had her now for almost 10yrs now!, it's been having some issues this last 12 months; starting, running, missing, cutting out etc... I've addressed everything electrical and fuel related including removing the alarm; the alarm being the main culprit!

The 4 deg advancer has been the icing on the cake which has finally reinstated full confidance of my old girl...

I wish I knew to do this years ago...

trpFZS1 · « **Reply #61 on:** 15 September 2014, 10:58:21 am »

Great news. Have to say, since last full I have done 190 spirited miles on mine over the weekend and my fuel light has only just started to come on. I agree, the fuel economy seems to have improved a bit and the performance is not jeopardised. Low speed fuelling is better too and bike feels really good. I have just loctited the bolt so it's here to stay.

fireblake · « **Reply #62 on:** 15 September 2014, 04:41:49 pm »

Why? Why does this seem to make the bike better? Surely if a bike does better MPG and runs better then the emissions will be better, I don't understand why Yamaha would retard it by 4degrees if the benefits are what everyone seems to be saying.

Mickey

nsr500v4 · « **Reply #63 on:** 15 September 2014, 04:59:41 pm »

Doesnt it have to do with the fact the bike is built to run on different (poor to good) grades of fuel in a variety of countries?

trpFZS1 · « **Reply #64 on:** 15 September 2014, 05:05:09 pm »

Hi Mickey. The eBay advert advises the following. "These advancers are designed to increase performance and improve throttle response particularly in the low to mid range as well as the starting of the bike. Bikes are designed to run as well as possible using the worst fuel available in the world and so have slightly retarded ignition to help with this. As we have relatively good fuel we can afford to run the bike with these 4 degree advancers fitted and have the bike run a whole lot better". Seems to work. Cheers, Rich.

fireblake · « **Reply #65 on:** 15 September 2014, 08:27:51 pm »

Quote from: trpFZS1 on 15 September 2014, 05:05:09 pm

Hi Mickey. The eBay advert advises the following. "These advancers are designed to increase performance and improve throttle response particularly in the low to mid range as well as the starting of the bike. Bikes are designed to run as well as possible using the worst fuel available in the world and so have slightly retarded ignition to help with this. As we have relatively good fuel we can afford to run the bike with these 4 degree advancers fitted and have the bike run a whole lot better". Seems to work. Cheers, Rich.

Thanks Rich, just the info I wanted.

Mickey

fireblake · « **Reply #66 on:** 15 September 2014, 08:46:50 pm »

So, why 4 degrees? Is there a maximum amount of degrees, say 8 or 10?

Mickey

Falcon 269 · « **Reply #67 on:** 16 September 2014, 05:09:40 am »

The maximum is 4 degrees.

fireblake · « **Reply #68 on:** 16 September 2014, 11:16:17 am »

Quote from: Falcon 269 on 16 September 2014, 05:09:40 am

The maximum is 4 degrees.

Thanks Mike, I was just wondering if there was a maximum. I'm sure I've seen a 5 degree advancer on Ebay, although not for the Fazer?

Mickey

PaulSmith · « **Reply #69 on:** 17 September 2014, 11:59:59 am »

I fitted mine last night, it took about 10 minutes in total.

On the ride in to work this morning, it 'felt' like I had more power and a smoother pick up, so I am happy so far. I will know if there is any difference in MPG in a week or so.

stevierst · « **Reply #70 on:** 17 September 2014, 12:15:33 pm »

After reading the comments on here, I'm thinking about fitting one to my carb'd R1 and see if it makes a difference. I know the engines are 'almost' the same, so I don't see why it shouldn't???

trpFZS1 · « **Reply #71 on:** 17 September 2014, 12:18:25 pm »

The eBay ad says it fits the carb'd R1 and offers the same results
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=151399609479

woodwizzard · « **Reply #72 on:** 17 September 2014, 07:30:44 pm »

I thought they weren't recommended for the higher compression R1 engines. Might be wrong though, but thought I read it on Ivans' site.

PieEater · « **Reply #73 on:** 17 September 2014, 08:28:09 pm »

Quote from: woodwizzard on 17 September 2014, 07:30:44 pm

I thought they weren't recommended for the higher compression R1 engines. Might be wrong though, but thought I read it on Ivans' site.

Quote from: Ivan's site on the Gen1

IMPORTANT NOTE:
Remember! This is an R1 motor. Ignition advancers are not recommended unless you have significantly raised the compression!
http://www.ivansperformanceproducts.com/fz1.htm

There is no further explanation for this advice, maybe it is due to the quality of fuel in the US !?!

stevierst · « **Reply #74 on:** 18 September 2014, 12:01:57 am »

Yeah, I read that on Ivans site too and thought similar. Ivan, any thoughts on this?