Author Topic: Idea's on what engines will fit in the fzs600 (2001) (Read 13403 times)

Kinggy · « **on:** 10 January 2012, 11:49:21 am »

Hi there,

This is my first post here and I'm after some help.
My Fazer is getting a bit worse for ware now with 57,000 miles on the clock and also not being able to stay in 2nd gear ( bent dogbones or something ) and I'm after a second hand engine but I am unsure weather to stay with the original 600 lump or try and see if any others fit.

I would like to try and get a larger engine in there I.E 1000 FZS lump would this be possible?

I have heard that the YZF 600 Thundercat engine fits but that to me is just a rumour.

Just wondering if anyone has any knowledge of what I can do in this situation ?

The bike still runs fine but just can't get on with having no 2nd gear. Any help will be appreciated.

Cheers guys

Fazerider · « **Reply #1 on:** 10 January 2012, 12:53:53 pm »

It's a fairly tight squeeze to get the engine in and out... you're unlikely to get a litre-sized one in without major modification to the frame. The Thundercat looks like the throttle bodies would be fouled by the frame too as the inlet tracts are are a steep angle. I'd stick to replacing with another FZS600 motor and, if you want more performance after that, sell it and buy a faster one.

bikerboys · « **Reply #2 on:** 10 January 2012, 12:57:12 pm »

have a look here

http://fazerowners.yuku.com/topic/22106#.Tww1QdF-7Kc

Kinggy · « **Reply #3 on:** 10 January 2012, 03:36:34 pm »

Okay thanks

Thats some help :P

Does any of you have any idea's weather it would be better to just get the dogbone replaced which apparently means stripping and splitting the engine but I don't have a clue weather this is correct or not :/

Cost wise would it be cheaper to fix it or just replace the lump.

I love the fazer and want to keep it. I would buy another one but I want mine

Any ideas ?

keno · « **Reply #4 on:** 10 January 2012, 07:15:42 pm »

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Does any of you have any idea's weather it would be better to just get the dogbone replaced which apparently means stripping and splitting the engine

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kebab19 · « **Reply #5 on:** 10 January 2012, 08:32:23 pm »

Dogbones are for the suspension linkage
The 'dogs' you refer to are to do with gearbox parts, as you can guess with 2nd gear gone...

If you have little mechanical knowledge or have no mechanic friends, a replacement engine would be the best option.

Thundercat engine won't fit for a host of reasons, mainly because it has downdraft carbs (airbox is above the engine, not behind it as per the Fazer 600). Many internals are similar to the Fazer but the engine casings are different to accommodate the different Deltabox / Steel cradle frames.

Noone has attempted the 1000 engine AFAIK & without a working EXUP valve it would have awful low-down performance.

Kinggy · « **Reply #6 on:** 11 January 2012, 01:12:19 am »

Thanks for your replys.

I've taken it to my local bike garage and they said by the time they get to the gearbox which is apparently housed somewhere deep inside the lump, it would cost less to buy a second hand engine and labour costs included then to fix the box. Weather this is true or not I do not know.

I have had a few friends say I might be able to fit a newer 600 engine in but does anyone know what's like the newest year I could get up too. Like mines a 2001 would I be able to fit like a 2004?

Cheers for your help guys

kebab19 · « **Reply #7 on:** 11 January 2012, 10:13:06 am »

Go with a decent 2nd hand 1998-2003 FZS600 engine. Anything with under 30000 miles should still have plenty of life left in it. There's at least 8 engines on ebay at the moment between £100 and £400, tho price mainly reflects condition & mileage.

Obviously I cant be certain but item number 160712267043 (2003 and 17k miles) seems like a good option IF no exhaust studs are broken off

The later (FZ-6) engine runs via fuel injection instead of carbs. Wiring is almost certainly different, so I'd avoid the massive headache of trying to fit it. Besides, its heavily based on the early R6 engine which has more power at the top-end, at the expense of midrange, so it won't be as good for normal road use.

Fazerider · « **Reply #8 on:** 11 January 2012, 01:19:37 pm »

Yes, your garage is telling you the truth. Replacing the selector drum, fork, second gear etc. and various other bits like gaskets will cost as much as a second hand engine even before you add in the extra labour to fit them in your engine.

Be prepared to ask the seller what the state of the engine is if they don't explicitly say in the listing.
When I enquired after one that caught my fancy a couple of years ago the dealer admitted he didn't know whether 2nd gear was OK on that particular engine, but he did have a higher mileage one (40k) that he knew to be good so I bought that one instead and it's doing fine 20-odd thousand miles on.

Lumpy · « **Reply #9 on:** 11 January 2012, 02:00:41 pm »

Quote from: kebab19

Thundercat engine won't fit for a host of reasons, mainly because it has downdraft carbs (airbox is above the engine, not behind it as per the Fazer 600). Many internals are similar to the Fazer but the engine casings are different to accommodate the different Deltabox / Steel cradle frames.

TC engine would fit with Fazer CCT and casings and using the Fazer carbs etc. No bloody point though and no way with the thou fit.

kebab19 · « **Reply #10 on:** 11 January 2012, 04:06:13 pm »

Got to disagree with you here, Lumpy.

Gnasher's posts #4 and #8 on this thread:

http://fazerowners.yuku.com/reply/266916/Differences--performance-power-delivery--Thundercat--Fazer#reply-266916

Cylinder head would have to be swapped at the very least, unless that's what you mean by 'casings'. No room for ramair either so some of the extra top-end performance from the T'Cat would be lost. Kinda pointless.

Get a campaign going with TTS to re-import their 660cc big-bore pistons and you'd get the T'cats extra 6 or 7 hp :-D

Lumpy · « **Reply #11 on:** 12 January 2012, 01:56:34 pm »

Quote from: kebab19 on 11 January 2012, 04:06:13 pm

Got to disagree with you here, Lumpy.

Gnasher's posts #4 and #8 on this thread:

http://fazerowners.yuku.com/reply/266916/Differences--performance-power-delivery--Thundercat--Fazer#reply-266916

Cylinder head would have to be swapped at the very least, unless that's what you mean by 'casings'. No room for ramair either so some of the extra top-end performance from the T'Cat would be lost. Kinda pointless.

Get a campaign going with TTS to re-import their 660cc big-bore pistons and you'd get the T'cats extra 6 or 7 hp :-D

okies, I am happy to accept this as only did a quick comparison with TC engine. The Fazer engine is a beaut anyways.

wraith600 · « **Reply #12 on:** 15 January 2012, 09:46:09 pm »

the 660 kit is no longer made but it may be possable to use R6 or later FZ6 pistons for the same result

Gnasher · « **Reply #13 on:** 16 January 2012, 03:24:31 pm »

There not a lot of point to really tuning the Fazer it's already in quite a state of tune as it is and the expense for the gains just wouldn't be worth it. As with most things it's down to how much money you want to throw at it, if you must do it for the sake of doing it. I did know someone who was thinking of fitting an early R6 engine into one last I heard he'd given up not because it could be done just how much it would cost to do it he just bought a thou instead!

Fazer’s are cracking bikes as they are

most can’t use what there as standard let alone tuning them. What does pay off and well is to improve the way it handles a decent rear shock and a play with the front end better still fit another there are quite a few that will fit with little work required.

End of the day if you really want more power the best/cheapest way get a different or bigger bike!

Kinggy · « **Reply #14 on:** 17 January 2012, 11:48:46 am »

I've decided to just stick with the 600 lump

But just one more question does any one roughly know the amount of hours labour that's involved with changing the engine so i can try and work out a rough price of what it'll cost to swap them over.

Cheers

oldmotherfoccer · « **Reply #15 on:** 17 January 2012, 12:06:36 pm »

deefer has answered that in a question where someone else was looking for an engine, have a scroll through he posted it last night

Shaun fzrr :) · « **Reply #16 on:** 23 November 2017, 02:18:01 pm »

Fazer 600 with a cbr1000f engine ha ha ha was a head ache but got it done eventually

slappy · « **Reply #17 on:** 23 November 2017, 02:42:37 pm »

unfazed · « **Reply #18 on:** 24 November 2017, 07:50:59 pm »

Any fazer 600 engine from 1998 to 2003 will fit straight in.

Disorderlypunk · « **Reply #19 on:** 25 November 2017, 02:11:52 pm »

Quote from: Kinggy on 17 January 2012, 11:48:46 am

I've decided to just stick with the 600 lump But just one more question does any one roughly know the amount of hours labour that's involved with changing the engine so i can try and work out a rough price of what it'll cost to swap them over.

Cheers

if your getting a garage to do it the best bet is to ask them how much directly - if your not in a rush they might have a couple of hours here and there and have it as a sideline and do it at a set price - always budget a little extra though for parts they may need i.e gaskets / oil / filter /plugs / coolant etc - as for how long its not that hard to rip an engine out but i have found the hardest part is getting that bloody airbox in and out (ooh and lifting an engine can be a bastard)