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no button start
« on: 20 May 2013, 03:37:43 PM »
as some of you know I've had a gremlin in my bike
with it not starting on the button,  is it possible to wire the start button
to the two thin wires so it starts on the button again ?

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Re: no button start
« Reply #1 on: 20 May 2013, 09:34:21 PM »
Judging by the lack of response, i'm guessing that cutting corners is not the greatest idea?
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Re: no button start
« Reply #2 on: 21 May 2013, 07:22:12 AM »
yeah looks like it's not a good idea after all,  well it has to be the alarm then

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Re: no button start
« Reply #3 on: 21 May 2013, 07:25:29 AM »
yeah looks like it's not a good idea after all,  well it has to be the alarm then


I wish i could be of more help mate, but electrics are really not my thing!
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Re: no button start
« Reply #4 on: 22 May 2013, 11:05:26 AM »
Cheers darris. does anyone know how to bypass the ignition switch or know where the black wire
goes from the start button

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Re: no button start
« Reply #5 on: 22 May 2013, 12:37:10 PM »
from the starter button the black wire goes to ground, but on the connector on the bike side there are 2 black wires 1 being the ground and the other connects to the blue/white on the switch side...... it is this black wire that should have 12 volts on it which gets shorted to zero when you push the starter button.
this 12 volts tho goes through the alarm connector and also the saftey cut off system that relies on your center stand switch working correctly and also the neutral switch.
bypassing the ignition will not help in any way if the problem is within the alarm or safety cut off circuit.
will the bike start if you bump start it??

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Re: no button start
« Reply #6 on: 22 May 2013, 01:44:28 PM »
from the starter button the black wire goes to ground, but on the connector on the bike side there are 2 black wires 1 being the ground and the other connects to the blue/white on the switch side...... it is this black wire that should have 12 volts on it which gets shorted to zero when you push the starter button.
this 12 volts tho goes through the alarm connector and also the saftey cut off system that relies on your center stand switch working correctly and also the neutral switch.
bypassing the ignition will not help in any way if the problem is within the alarm or safety cut off circuit.
will the bike start if you bump start it??

Yes and if I use a Alan key on the starter relay it starts

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Re: no button start
« Reply #7 on: 22 May 2013, 01:55:33 PM »
Have you checked the connectors in the box under the tank? The handlebar switches all join the main wiring loom there and it's often the cause of things not working.

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Re: no button start
« Reply #8 on: 22 May 2013, 02:06:24 PM »
yes i agree with stoobie, check the connections under the tank.
if you disconnect the 6 pin connector from the starter button, use a multimeter across the black and blue/white wires and make sure you get a short circuit when you press the starter button, if not you may need to open the switch housing and clean the contacts of the starter button itself.
atleast the problem is not in the alarm or cut off circuit cos that could be a pita if your not that familiar with electrics.
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Re: no button start
« Reply #9 on: 22 May 2013, 08:02:57 PM »
Well it's all new every thing to do with the starting
but thanks lads Gordon

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Re: no button start
« Reply #10 on: 22 May 2013, 10:14:20 PM »
I'd remove the alarm and return the wiring to as it was from the factory.
 
I had a bike in that would cut the ignition randomly when the owner was riding it. I think alarms are more problems than they are worth.

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Re: no button start
« Reply #11 on: 23 May 2013, 12:05:10 PM »
because it will start when bumped and when you short the starter relay it is not the alarm or any of the saftey cut out switches, if you have replaced both the relays it only leaves the starter button its self or the 2 wires coming from it!
definately check the switch with a multimeter if you can or find a mate that can help you. the wiring diagram is in the haynes manual in the download section that will help.
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Re: no button start
« Reply #12 on: 23 May 2013, 03:04:17 PM »
Adam I'm getting there mate , it has to be somewhere between the plug
and the starter relay . who knows it just might go away on it's own fingers crossed

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Re: no button start
« Reply #13 on: 22 February 2014, 02:02:25 AM »
did you sort this problem if yes what was it mine is doing exactly the same thing

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Re: no button start
« Reply #14 on: 22 February 2014, 02:24:41 AM »
did you sort this problem if yes what was it mine is doing exactly the same thing


Probably had a kid since then?  :lol
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Re: no button start
« Reply #15 on: 22 February 2014, 09:52:02 AM »
I'd remove the alarm and return the wiring to as it was from the factory.
 
I had a bike in that would cut the ignition randomly when the owner was riding it. I think alarms are more problems than they are worth.

They can be very unreliable and most have a life span i.e. internal batteries the earlier types this couldn't be replaced.  That said from my experience it's very dependant on who fits them a lot are not fitted correctly, some are so poorly wired in they are as good as useless.

I find a self contained VERY loud unit that detects movement and a really visible good quality locks are best.  If you live or have to park in a really doggy area remove the ignition box in the tail hump bike will not start no matter what and it's a simple plug and play ;) 
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Re: no button start
« Reply #16 on: 22 February 2014, 11:04:23 AM »
yes true lol just wondered how he fixed it i should of said lol

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Re: no button start
« Reply #17 on: 22 February 2014, 07:22:10 PM »
What is the make of the alarm?